Is there such a thing as an atheist?

[AgeofKnowledge]

You obviously are ignorant as to what a Christian actually is as evidenced by your false assertion that genuine Christians who have been endowed by the Holy Spirit (note the word holy) with a new godly nature that desires the things of God and no longer "wishing they could indulge in all the debauchery the rest 'get to enjoy." Read 2 Corinthians 5 for more information.

Certainly many non-genuine "christians" who merely profess to be but inwardly remain unchanged never having actually converted can fit into the myopic philosophical box that you've constructed for them to live in but logically one would wonder why you're falsely asserting they cannot also cling to an ultimately meaningless spiritually bankrupt humanism just as a spiritually dead and lost atheist might choose to.

Obviously both groups need "religion there" as you ignorantly put it which actually translates to both groups need to be spiritually born into God's kingdom and endowed by the Holy Spirit with a new nature.

As the important ruler and intellectual who once came to Jesus in secret, risking persecution of his position and authority which his peers would have leveled against him for doing so, stated; "We know you are a teacher who has come from God for no one could perform the miraculous signs you are doing if God were not with him."

Jesus replied, "I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again."

"How can a man be born when he is old?" the man asked, "Surely he cannot enter a second time into his mother's womb to be born!"

Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit."

And so it is. The same Spirit of God that moved over the ocean repeatedly initiating life lives in those who have been spiritually reborn. That's why your assertion is false with respect to them.

If you are an atheist, you are spiritually dead and will never enter the spiritual dimensions beyond this universe the Bible commonly called "heaven" in your current state. For that to occur, you must be spiritually reborn by nothing less than the Holy Spirit of God.

Take your own advice, and don't attack what you obviously don't understand.

I submit that atheists, like christians, are different people. No two are the same.

Plenty of christians are morally decent people because they get to avoid fiery torment forever and ever if they play nice, but most spend their lives wishing they could indulge in all the debauchery the rest 'get to enjoy'. Plenty of atheists are morally decent people who decide not to debauch and waylay their consciences, for no other reason than to be morally decent human beings.

You tell me, who are the ones in need of religion there?

Don't attack what you can't understand.

 

[TripleA]

You obviously are ignorant as to what a Christian actually is as evidenced by your false assertion that genuine Christians who have been endowed by the Holy Spirit (note the word holy) with a new godly nature that desires the things of God and no longer "wishing they could indulge in all the debauchery the rest 'get to enjoy." Read 2 Corinthians 5 for more information.

Certainly many non-genuine "christians" who merely profess to be but inwardly remain unchanged never having actually converted can fit into the myopic philosophical box that you've constructed for them to live in but logically one would wonder why you're falsely asserting they cannot also cling to an ultimately meaningless spiritually bankrupt humanism just as a spiritually dead and lost atheist might choose to.

Obviously both groups need "religion there" as you ignorantly put it which actually translates to both groups need to be spiritually born into God's kingdom and endowed by the Holy Spirit with a new nature.

As the important ruler and intellectual who once came to Jesus in secret, risking persecution of his position and authority which his peers would have leveled against him for doing so, stated; "We know you are a teacher who has come from God for no one could perform the miraculous signs you are doing if God were not with him."

Jesus replied, "I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again."

"How can a man be born when he is old?" the man asked, "Surely he cannot enter a second time into his mother's womb to be born!"

Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit."

And so it is. The same Spirit of God that moved over the ocean repeatedly initiating life lives in those who have been spiritually reborn. That's why your assertion is false with respect to them.

If you are an atheist, you are spiritually dead and will never enter the spiritual dimensions beyond this universe the Bible commonly called "heaven" in your current state. For that to occur, you must be spiritually reborn by nothing less than the Holy Spirit of God.
Take your own advice, and don't attack what you obviously don't understand.

'Plenty of christians' does not equal 'all christians'. I said plenty of christians 'deny themselves' (that's their mindset) rather than 'realize that being a moral vacant is useless in life'. You went on a fairly irrelevant tantrum-rant there but the point still stands. I'd say people who's only moral compass is the one that shows them the way to avoid hell are more in need of moral guidance than those people who have the innate desire to be good to other human beings regardless of the rewards & consequences.

'What a christian is', well, the jury is still out on that one, as evidenced by the fact that thousands of denominations can't seem to agree on it.

 

[maxwel]

Triple A,

If you don't believe in God,
why are you wasting your time in a Christian forum?

 

[TripleA]

Triple A,

If you don't believe in God,
why are you wasting your time in a Christian forum?

If you don't believe in other religions, or in atheism, why would you pay it heed? If you don't believe in Hinduism, Buddhism, or Islam, why talk about or address any of those, or even live in a world that is filled with people who believe in predominantly those beliefs as opposed to yours?

Why did Jesus ask sinners to sit with him? Why do people stand in crowds and preach? Why does anybody do anything if not because they either should, would, must, can, or just feel like it? What does it matter to you anyway? Do you want me to go? Kick me out? Get me kicked out?

Are you afraid I might upset the status quo? Do you think I might sway someone the wrong direction? Is it fear you ask out of? Anger? Offence?

Why do people get offended? Why does the forum discredit a person because of an option they chose before they came in? Can a non-christian enter a church? Can a non-christian eat with christians? Can a sinner sit with Jeshua of Nazareth, perhaps the most self-sacrificing person that ever walked planet Earth?

Can that happen?

It isn't Jesus I've got an issue with, nor God, it's religion.

 

[phil112]

...................The last Christian to say the foxhole line to me, became immediately fearful. I think it might be because I wanted to defend the honour of my uncles and grandfather and he interpreted the rage that showed on my face......................

THAT made you mad??? Someone talks about something you don't believe in and it angers you????You have some personal insecurity problems fella.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Now you are being disingenuous. You said, "Plenty of christians are morally decent people because they get to avoid fiery torment forever and ever if they play nice, but most spend their lives wishing they could indulge in all the debauchery the rest 'get to enjoy'. Plenty of atheists are morally decent people who decide not to debauch and waylay their consciences, for no other reason than to be morally decent human beings."

I rebutted your false assertion by correcting you as to what a Christian really is. As I stated:

"You obviously are ignorant as to what a Christian actually is as evidenced by your false assertion that genuine Christians who have been endowed by the Holy Spirit (note the word holy) with a new godly nature that desires the things of God and no longer "wishing they could indulge in all the debauchery the rest 'get to enjoy." Read 2 Corinthians 5 for more information...

The same Spirit of God that moved over the ocean repeatedly initiating life lives in those who have been spiritually reborn. That's why your assertion is false with respect to them."

You made the false assertion that most/plenty of Christians (e.g. people who have been born into the spiritual kingdom of God endowed by the Holy Spirit with a new godly nature that desires godliness and the things of god) spend their lives wishing they could indulge in debauchery. They don't. Their new nature wants nothing to do with wicked debauchery. Your assertion is patently false for this reason. It's also noteworthy that the godly "fear" in the Bible translates as reverence for God not what you've asserted.

And your appeal to a residual innate desire for good in unregenerate humanity (maligned as it is) fits neatly into the Christian worldview as per the doctrine of Imago Dei though you appear to be ignorant of how that manifests with respect to the unregenerate (easy prey for deception by the devil, lacking God's spiritual regeneration, etc...) and those who have been saved, are being sanctified, and having their minds renewed in preparation for a glory that is ultimately meaningful.

And obviously the presence of disagreement does not invalidate the possibility of truth. To say otherwise is fallacious. Using that fallacious logic, I could assert that macro evolutionary theory is false not because it is but because there is disagreement amongst people with respect to it.

'Plenty of christians' does not equal 'all christians'. I said plenty of christians 'deny themselves' (that's their mindset) rather than 'realize that being a moral vacant is useless in life'. You went on a fairly irrelevant tantrum-rant there but the point still stands. I'd say people who's only moral compass is the one that shows them the way to avoid hell are more in need of moral guidance than those people who have the innate desire to be good to other human beings regardless of the rewards & consequences.

'What a christian is', well, the jury is still out on that one, as evidenced by the fact that thousands of denominations can't seem to agree on it.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

I would say yes. I'm an honorably discharged military veteran. My father is too. Both my grandfathers are and one won a silver star, a bronze star, and was awarded a purple heart for his actions at both the battle of bloody ridge and the battle of heartbreak ridge. He still has nightmares in which the ghosts of his dead friends come to him at night across the battlefield and ask him why they died? He tells them he doesn't know why and they leave. This isn't actually happening, of course, but rather his brain working in a subconscious state. But none of us would tee off on someone for talking about it or giving an everyone in foxhole is a <fill in the blank> line. That said, Triple A is correct in that not everyone in foxholes believes in God. That's just folklore... lol.

But now that we know something of his emotional makeup, I think we exercise some agape and accommodate it.

THAT made you mad??? Someone talks about something you don't believe in and it angers you????You have some personal insecurity problems fella.

 

[Deadtosin]

Triple A, you want something beyond reasoning, historical and archaeological evidence? try this.

http://christianchat.com/testimonie...ural-experiences-god-angels-demons-satan.html

 

[Sjwho2]

THAT made you mad??? Someone talks about something you don't believe in and it angers you????You have some personal insecurity problems fella.

You said that anyone who is about to die will turn to god.

Which is kind of insensitive to the people who gave their lives to defend your country.
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As for the topic of "do atheist exist" I don't even know how this is a thing(seriously, OP should be reported for trolling).


Yes, of course they do.

 

[mustaphadrink]

I submit that atheists, like christians, are different people. No two are the same.

Plenty of christians are morally decent people because they get to avoid fiery torment forever and ever if they play nice, but most spend their lives wishing they could indulge in all the debauchery the rest 'get to enjoy'. Plenty of atheists are morally decent people who decide not to debauch and waylay their consciences, for no other reason than to be morally decent human beings. You tell me, who are the ones in need of religion there? Don't attack what you can't understand.

You should take your own advice sweetie. Your comments suggest that you don't understand God and christianity at all. All you have done is to invent a straw man to try and justify your ignorance and make atheism more palatable. Definitely not a Triple A comment. More like a D -.

 

[mustaphadrink]

You said that anyone who is about to die will turn to god.Which is kind of insensitive to the people who gave their lives to defend your country.

And your comment is insensitive to those who died in the war. Both my wife's and my father died in WW2 so we do not appreciate it. Dying in a bed at home has no comparison to being alive one minute and dead the next because of a bullet in the brain.

 

[mustaphadrink]

Triple A, you want something beyond reasoning, historical and archaeological evidence? try this.

http://christianchat.com/testimonie...ural-experiences-god-angels-demons-satan.html

Don't quote me on this but I have a feeling he doesnt want evidence. he wants an argument.

 

[PennEd]

'Plenty of christians' does not equal 'all christians'. I said plenty of christians 'deny themselves' (that's their mindset) rather than 'realize that being a moral vacant is useless in life'. You went on a fairly irrelevant tantrum-rant there but the point still stands. I'd say people who's only moral compass is the one that shows them the way to avoid hell are more in need of moral guidance than those people who have the innate desire to be good to other human beings regardless of the rewards & consequences.

'What a christian is', well, the jury is still out on that one, as evidenced by the fact that thousands of denominations can't seem to agree on it.

An innate desire to be good? By who's definition is "good"? Who's moral compass do you follow, and where do you get it from?

 

[DavidLOVESsnow]

Just to be fair, the Bible never claims that other religion's diety's don't exist. All it claims is that they are not God, they are just something else - demon or something most likely. So don't assume Allah doesn't exist. If you research Islam, it is a Pagan moon God but Muhammad copied from Judaism and Christianity. Just do research into it.

 

[Deadtosin]

Just to be fair, the Bible never claims that other religion's diety's don't exist. All it claims is that they are not God, they are just something else - demon or something most likely. So don't assume Allah doesn't exist. If you research Islam, it is a Pagan moon God but Muhammad copied from Judaism and Christianity. Just do research into it.

yep, you will find the same symbols in all of the ancient fake religions.. Stupid satan.. he has NO creativity, no new ideas, and never will, he only knows how to counterfeit.

 

[mustaphadrink]

It isn't Jesus I've got an issue with, nor God, it's religion.

Do you know that you are a liar? You don't have issues with religion here. You have an issue with Christianity and if you have an issue with christianity you have an issue with christians and if you have an issue with christians, you have an issue with God.

If you have an issue with religion, which one? The Amish who would not say boo to a goose? The Anabaptist who are pacifists? The non aligned church down the street who do not offend anyone? Iris ministries who sole purpose in life is to provide care, food and a home to the children in Africa whose parents have died of AIDS? Those christians in Africa whose family and friends have been murdered by muslims and have not raised a finger in retaliation? Those christians whose houses were burnt to the ground by muslims and are living under tarpaulins on the street but have not raised a finger in retaliation? The mission society that sent missionaries to South America and as a result of their efforts two tribes that spent most of their time killing each other no longer do? The five missionaries who went to the Aucau Indians and were all shot. What did their wives do? They followed them and were successful in introducing them to faith in God and as a result they are now a peaceful tribe.

I could go on and on giving you examples of christianity that has been a force for good all round the world. I doubt if you can produce any evidence of a negative christianity today or one that did not happen thousands of years ago.

SOooooooooooo, which religion are you talking about? if you can't tell us, what you say is all hot air.

 

[DavidLOVESsnow]

Seriously? Either there are a lot of people pretending to be Christians here having fun mocking us, or a lot of people seem to forget about this:

[h=3]1 Corinthians 13[/h]King James Version (KJV)

13 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.


So what does this term Charity mean here? It is from the term "ἀγάπη agapē".

26 NT - Greek [agaph]
agape ag-ah'-pay from [agapaw] - agapao 25; love, i.e. affection or benevolence; specially (plural) a love-feast:--(feast of) charity(-ably), dear, love.

It means love. Do everything out of love.

 

[mustaphadrink]

An innate desire to be good? By who's definition is "good"? Who's moral compass do you follow, and where do you get it from?

There is NONE good, no not one. Luke 18:19

ALL have sinned and come short of God's glory Romans 3:23

But the scripture hath concluded ALL are under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. Galatians 3:22


If we say that we have NO sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 1 John 1:8

There are many more scriptures we could refer to but it is obvious that anyone who thinks he is good is living in denial. Any goodness I might have is due entirely to the righteousness of Christ who live in me. Without him I am nothing and as for being good, forget it.

 

[mustaphadrink]

Just to be fair, the Bible never claims that other religion's diety's don't exist. All it claims is that they are not God, they are just something else - demon or something most likely. So don't assume Allah doesn't exist. If you research Islam, it is a Pagan moon God but Muhammad copied from Judaism and Christianity. Just do research into it.

I have done extensive research on Islam and there is no doubt that Allah does not exist. Their God is Mohammad, the guy who invented Allah, and most of what they do or say is based on what Mohammad did and said. The Koran is their book but the writings of Mohammad take precedence over the Koran. Sad to say, Mohammad died and is six feet under so he was nothing more than a marauding monster.

Mohammad was a murderous psychopath, a pedophile and had issues with anger and was emotionally stunted and that is why you have the murderous branch of islam today. They all want to re-establish the Caliphate of Mohammad which will be a brutal dictatorship. That is why they fight amongst themselves because they are all trying to be the ones that will rule this new caliphate.

 

[mustaphadrink]

I'd say people who's only moral compass is the one that shows them the way to avoid hell are more in need of moral guidance than those people who have the innate desire to be good to other human beings regardless of the rewards & consequences. 'What a christian is', well, the jury is still out on that one, as evidenced by the fact that thousands of denominations can't seem to agree on it.

More atheistic mumbo jumbo without a scrap of evidence. It is very evident when an atheist hasn't got a leg to stand on they resort to attacking the man, not the ball. Probably why atheists do not make good soccer players. I would say that Minus C ( not triple A) has a basket of ideas and comments and when he is devoid of rational thought, he puts his hand in the basket and pulls out something that he can say, no matter how irrelevant.

I know that Minus C cannot grasp this so this is for everyone else with a brain in their head but.............being a Christian has nothing at all to do with avoiding hell. Avoiding hell is a by product of being a Christian. When I became a Christian, the person spoke about John 3:16 which says "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son so that whosoever believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting life.

As the Holy Spirit came on me and opened my eyes, I knew he was talking to me and that day I became a new creation in Christ. In all of it, there was no mention of hell.

A couple of more points. No one has an innate desire to do good and the jury is not still out on what a christian is. The atheist wants it to still be out so that they can score points against christianity, but the fact is there are thousands of examples of what christianity is all over the world, but as we all know, atheists are very good at ignoring the obvious.