It Is satanic Heresy to Deny Eternal Security

[newbirth]

Well NewB,
thanks for posting the scripture. It made an edifying read.
Now what is your proof of what I don't want to do? And what does that have to do with eternal security? I don't see the word salvation or eternal life in your statement.

And then you went on to try to rewrite the Bible!



NewB, are you making up scripture? Is this 1st NewB 6:19?

Where on earth does the Bible say that? I did a concordance check and found nothing like that. What John 3 says (& you gave the context) is

[SUP]8 [/SUP]He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

you did not go down to v 21
[SUP]19 [/SUP]And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

It is believing that guarantees "not condemned."

To you believe is a mind thing to God it is an action thing. you gotta do right to show you believe brother[/QUOTE]

What is your proof of that, NewB?

James 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

• James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

"You gotta do right," you say.
So what are you going to do since you do not do right, but are a big sinner?

1 John 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

1 John 2:29 If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.

By grace you have been saved through faith [if you have exercised faith]. . . not of works lest anyone should boast.

He who believes on him is not condemned!

Hallelujah![/QUOTE]
Revelation 22:10-12

King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]10 [/SUP]And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

 

[Sinnner]

You will know them by their fruit. This could apply to doctrine, what fruit does it produce. OSAS produces a license to sin, it doesn't matter if you say it doesn't, it clearly does. Does OSAS produce God fearing, fully devoted followers of Jesus Christ? Not usually, the fear of God is removed and replaced by license by this doctrine. Not to say that perseverance of the saints or whatever we are referred to produces perfect followers of Christ but a license is not issued and when you fall away you know it.

 

[Atwood]

You will know them by their fruit. This could apply to doctrine, what fruit does it produce. OSAS produces a license to sin, it doesn't matter if you say it doesn't, it clearly does. Does OSAS produce God fearing, fully devoted followers of Jesus Christ? Not usually, the fear of God is removed and replaced by license by this doctrine. Not to say that perseverance of the saints or whatever we are referred to produces perfect followers of Christ but a license is not issued and when you fall away you know it.

Sinnner,
Your judgment of persons who believe in eternal security is bogus. You have no way to prove your suppositions, and give no scripture. Your objections sound like the objections that the ungodly made vs. Paul's teaching. Like shall we sin that grace may abound?

Your unfounded attacks go no where. Realizing that I was secure, saved by grace, has never made me want to sin, but resulted in love for my Savior and wanting to please him.

Your failure to trust the Lord Jesus with your destiny is tragic. What is a surer way to displease and sin vs the Lord than to fail to trust Him. He cares so much that we trust Him that He has made that the only condition for our salvation.

To know the truth on this subject, is to put aside all the canards and off-topic distractions and focus on what the Word of God says:

Meditate on the Word of God:

Luke 21:31-32
Simon, Simon, behold, Satan asked to have you*, that he might sift you* as wheat: but I made supplication for you, that your faith fail not; and do you, when once you have turned again, establish your brethren.

Rom 4:16

For this cause it is of faith, that it may be according to grace; to the end that the promise may be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all

End of Rom 8:
And we know that to them that love God all things work together for good, even to them that are called according to his purpose. For whom
he foreknew,
he also foreordained to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren: and whom
he foreordained, them
he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom
he justified, them
he also glorified.

What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who is against us? He who spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not also with him freely give us all things?
Who shall lay anything to the charge of God’s elect? It is God who justifies;
who is he who condemns?
It is Christ Jesus that died, yea rather, that was raised from the dead, who is at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us.
Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or anguish, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? Even as it is written,
For thy sake we are killed all the day long;
We were accounted as sheep for the slaughter.

Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

2 thes 2:16-17
Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God our Father who loved us and gave us eternal comfort and good hope through grace, comfort your hearts and establish them in every good work and word.

Rom 6:23b
the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

John 10:27-29
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand.

John 6:37
All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.

John 3:16
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

John 5:24
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.

2 Corinthians 1:22
And who has also put his seal on us and given us his Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.

Romans 11:29
For the gifts and the calling of God are not repented of.


Ephesians 2:8-10 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

John 4:14
But whoever drinks of the water that I will give him will never be thirsty again. The water that I will give him will become in him a spring of water welling up to eternal life.

John 6:47
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life.

John 3:36
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.

John 3:18
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.

Psalm 34:22
The Lord redeems the life of his servants; none of those who take refuge in him will be condemned.

Jude 1:24
Now to him who is able to keep you from stumbling and to present you blameless before the presence of his glory with great joy,

1 Peter 1:3-5
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy begat us again unto a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 unto an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, 5 who by the power of God are guarded through faith unto a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

Colossians 1:13
He has delivered us from the domain of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of his beloved Son,

Romans 8:32
He who did not spare his own Son but gave him up for us all, how will he not also with him graciously give us all things?

Romans 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus

Revelation 3:5
The one who overcomes will be clothed thus in white garments, and I will never blot his name out of the book of life. I will confess his name before my Father… 1 John 5:4-5 For whatsoever is begotten of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith. And who is he who overcomes the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God? For everyone who has been born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.

Hebrews 9:15
Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.

Ephesians 1:1-23
Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, To the saints who are in Ephesus, and are faithful in Christ Jesus: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus

Ephesians 1:11
In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will,

 

[Atwood]

James 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

• James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

1 John 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

1 John 2:29 If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.

Revelation 22:10-12

King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]10 [/SUP]And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

Not one verse above negates eternal security.
When will you stop rejecting salvation, and trust the Savior with your destiny?

I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish.

 

[kennethcadwell]

I will just leave you all with this as I go....

Jesus said that those who believe in Him shall be saved, and also those who persevere to the end shall be saved.

When you put these two scriptures from our Lord and Savior together it shows that when you believe in Him you are saved, but then you must still persevere to the end to keep that salvation. Jesus Himself shows us, once saved always saved, is not of His teachings. There are even more scriptures from the Apostles about those that have fallen away. If once saved always saved is biblical there would be nobody who falls away, but the scriptures say there is those who do.

 

[Sinnner]

You say it bogus but I've seen it many times with my own eyes and heard it with my own ears. People were taught your OSAS doctrine and are drunk and snorting coke and never praying or going to church but claim to be saved. Millions of people live life like this specifically cause they were taught OSAS. I have heard many profess it. I told them it was not true but they insisted just like you cause they did not want to change. Look at the fruit it produces.

 

[Alligator]

You will know them by their fruit. This could apply to doctrine, what fruit does it produce. OSAS produces a license to sin, it doesn't matter if you say it doesn't, it clearly does. Does OSAS produce God fearing, fully devoted followers of Jesus Christ? Not usually, the fear of God is removed and replaced by license by this doctrine. Not to say that perseverance of the saints or whatever we are referred to produces perfect followers of Christ but a license is not issued and when you fall away you know it.

Sinnner,
Your judgment of persons who believe in eternal security is bogus. You have no way to prove your suppositions, and give no scripture. Your objections sound like the objections that the ungodly made vs. Paul's teaching. Like shall we sin that grace may abound?

Your unfounded attacks go no where. Realizing that I was secure, saved by grace, has never made me want to sin, but resulted in love for my Savior and wanting to please him.

Your failure to trust the Lord Jesus with your destiny is tragic. What is a surer way to displease and sin vs the Lord than to fail to trust Him. He cares so much that we trust Him that He has made that the only condition for our salvation.

To know the truth on this subject, is to put aside all the canards and off-topic distractions and focus on what the Word of God says:

Meditate on the Word of God:

Luke 21:31-32
Simon, Simon, behold, Satan asked to have you*, that he might sift you* as wheat: but I made supplication for you, that your faith fail not; and do you, when once you have turned again, establish your brethren.

Rom 4:16

For this cause it is of faith, that it may be according to grace; to the end that the promise may be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all

End of Rom 8:
And we know that to them that love God all things work together for good, even to them that are called according to his purpose. For whom
he foreknew,
he also foreordained to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren: and whom
he foreordained, them
he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom
he justified, them
he also glorified.

What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who is against us? He who spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not also with him freely give us all things?
Who shall lay anything to the charge of God’s elect? It is God who justifies;
who is he who condemns?
It is Christ Jesus that died, yea rather, that was raised from the dead, who is at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us.
Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or anguish, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? Even as it is written,
For thy sake we are killed all the day long;
We were accounted as sheep for the slaughter.

Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

2 thes 2:16-17
Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God our Father who loved us and gave us eternal comfort and good hope through grace, comfort your hearts and establish them in every good work and word.

Rom 6:23b
the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

John 10:27-29
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand.

John 6:37
All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.

John 3:16
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

John 5:24
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.

2 Corinthians 1:22
And who has also put his seal on us and given us his Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.

Romans 11:29
For the gifts and the calling of God are not repented of.


Ephesians 2:8-10 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

John 4:14
But whoever drinks of the water that I will give him will never be thirsty again. The water that I will give him will become in him a spring of water welling up to eternal life.

John 6:47
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life.

John 3:36
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.

John 3:18
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.

Psalm 34:22
The Lord redeems the life of his servants; none of those who take refuge in him will be condemned.

Jude 1:24
Now to him who is able to keep you from stumbling and to present you blameless before the presence of his glory with great joy,

1 Peter 1:3-5
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy begat us again unto a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 unto an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, 5 who by the power of God are guarded through faith unto a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

Colossians 1:13
He has delivered us from the domain of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of his beloved Son,

Romans 8:32
He who did not spare his own Son but gave him up for us all, how will he not also with him graciously give us all things?

Romans 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus

Revelation 3:5
The one who overcomes will be clothed thus in white garments, and I will never blot his name out of the book of life. I will confess his name before my Father… 1 John 5:4-5 For whatsoever is begotten of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith. And who is he who overcomes the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God? For everyone who has been born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.

Hebrews 9:15
Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.

Ephesians 1:1-23
Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, To the saints who are in Ephesus, and are faithful in Christ Jesus: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus

Ephesians 1:11
In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will,

Atwood, do you mean to tell me that I am 67 years old but yet I have never met a single individual in my entire life who was a true Christian for a while and then fell away. He slowly stopped going to church, and stopped taking part Christian activities surrounding that He then began to lose all interest in anything spiritual. It happens,
,it happens all the time.

Take a look at these Scriptures:
Gal. 5:4; II Tim. 4:1; Heb. 10:26-27; Heb. 6:4-6; II Pet. 2:20-21; Heb.. 3:12-14.

Please why they do not mean what they say they mean. Please respond to each one individually

 

[Kerry]

You know what I have determined about this subject. That if your faith is properly placed in the work of the cross, then you are heaven bound and you don't have to worry about where your going. I meant, even if the devil trips you up or if you just get lackadaisical. Your still under His wing and the Spirit will convict, pull, and press.

I still believe that there are some who just give up and throw in the towel. God still loves them, he may be grieved and rest assured that we all have grieved Him at some point or another. They may come back as some have. I think it is difficult thing to do, because God is not going to just let you go. Most that give up live miserable lives and some even commit suicide.

But, if your faith is in the right place, Then the Holy Spirit is working in you and through you whether you are Pentecostal are not. That's a different subject. I have heard some baptist preachers who were just as anointed as some Pentecostals.

I can see where this eternal security doctrine stems from. I meant I hope mine is secured.

What happens to a lot of people is that their faith slowly begins to detour from the cross and become fixated on something they are doing. You can do this without even realizing it, because it is pleasing to the flesh. when we do this and maintain it for a period of time. The Holy Spirit takes a step back, because he cannot and will not honor self righteousness. This what Paul is talking about in Romans 7.

When He steps back, we are fighting the devil own our own and we can't handle him and the person becomes perplexed. They are doing things they know they shouldn't and don't want to but can't help it

We go to friends and they say well just keep praying. The Pastor say' well read more and pray more and we will keep laying hands and praying for you. But it doesn't work. So they give up.

This doctrine decides that they were never saved, because it interfere with the thought of eternal security. When the problem is the person has misplaced their faith by either being misguided or by deceit, because the flesh loves to be it's own God.

 

[Kerry]

Also, I apologize for any somewhat rude or arrogant remarks I may have made earlier in this thread.

 

[newbirth]

Not one verse above negates eternal security.
When will you stop rejecting salvation, and trust the Savior with your destiny?

I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish.

you ask for proof I gave you proof but you are skilled in deception so here it is again

To you believe is a mind thing to God it is an action thing. you gotta do right to show you believe brother

What is your proof of that, NewB?

James 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

• James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

"You gotta do right," you say.
So what are you going to do since you do not do right, but are a big sinner?

If you obey God you will do right.
1 John 3:9-11
New International Version (NIV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP]No one who is born of God[SUP](A)[/SUP] will continue to sin,[SUP](B)[/SUP] because God’s seed[SUP](C)[/SUP] remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God. [SUP]10 [/SUP]This is how we know who the children of God[SUP](D)[/SUP] are and who the children of the devil[SUP](E)[/SUP] are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child, nor is anyone who does not love[SUP](F)[/SUP] their brother and sister.[SUP](G)[/SUP]
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For this is the message you heard[SUP](H)[/SUP] from the beginning:[SUP](I)[/SUP] We should love one another.[SUP](J)[/SUP]


1 John 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

1 John 2:29 If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.

 

[newbirth]

By sinning when you are a Child of God, very easy to do. Try Romans 7 where the I gets carnal and in a mess. Yet he comes out.

1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

1 John 2:23-25

King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]23 [/SUP]Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.

Yes indeed. Fellowship is one thing, eternal life is another. In many things we all stumble.

You may as well ask, how can I be a son of my human father and be out of fellowship with him? Easy; it happens all the time.

To determine eternal security, examine the passages that mention "eternal life" and "salvation/save/saved/Savior." Don't go off on a rabbit path about fellowship and chastising. Chastising proves who is a genuine son;

I give to them eternal life, and they shall never perish.

Can you stop worrying about this & that other subject, and trust the Lord to do for you what He has promised?[/QUOTE]

By sinning when you are a Child of God, very easy to do.

[h=3]1 John 3:9-11[/h]New International Version (NIV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP]No one who is born of God[SUP](A)[/SUP] will continue to sin,[SUP](B)[/SUP] because God’s seed[SUP](C)[/SUP] remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God. [SUP]10 [/SUP]This is how we know who the children of God[SUP](D)[/SUP] are and who the children of the devil[SUP](E)[/SUP] are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child, nor is anyone who does not love[SUP](F)[/SUP] their brother and sister.[SUP](G)[/SUP]
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For this is the message you heard[SUP](H)[/SUP] from the beginning:[SUP](I)[/SUP] We should love one another.[SUP](J)[/SUP]

Yes indeed. Fellowship is one thing, eternal life is another. In many things we all stumble.

Take your foot out of your mouth brother and seek after truth. You keep trying to twist the word of God to suit your doctrine it will not work. eternal life is in Christ no fellowship no eternal life.
Can anyone else see this or am I the only one, please Tell it to brother atwood because wants eternal life without fellowship with Christ.
[h=3]1 John 1:5-7[/h]New International Version (NIV)


[SUP]5 [/SUP]This is the message we have heard[SUP](A)[/SUP] from him and declare to you: God is light;[SUP](B)[/SUP] in him there is no darkness at all. [SUP]6 [/SUP]If we claim to have fellowship with him and yet walk in the darkness,[SUP](C)[/SUP] we lie and do not live out the truth.[SUP](D)[/SUP] [SUP]7 [/SUP]But if we walk in the light,[SUP](E)[/SUP] as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all[SUP][a][/SUP] sin.[SUP](F)[/SUP]

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

[h=3]1 John 5:10-12[/h]King James Version (KJV)


[SUP]10 [/SUP]He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

[SUP]12 [/SUP]He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

 

[newbirth]

Atwood, do you mean to tell me that I am 67 years old but yet I have never met a single individual in my entire life who was a true Christian for a while and then fell away. He slowly stopped going to church, and stopped taking part Christian activities surrounding that He then began to lose all interest in anything spiritual. It happens,
,it happens all the time.

Take a look at these Scriptures:
Gal. 5:4; II Tim. 4:1; Heb. 10:26-27; Heb. 6:4-6; II Pet. 2:20-21; Heb.. 3:12-14.

Please why they do not mean what they say they mean. Please respond to each one individually

let me tell you the response if any....Not one verse above negates eternal security.

I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish.

 

[Alligator]

let me tell you the response if any....Not one verse above negates eternal security.

I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish.

Thats pretty good.

 

[Cassian]

Atwood, do you mean to tell me that I am 67 years old but yet I have never met a single individual in my entire life who was a true Christian for a while and then fell away. He slowly stopped going to church, and stopped taking part Christian activities surrounding that He then began to lose all interest in anything spiritual. It happens,
,it happens all the time.

Take a look at these Scriptures:
Gal. 5:4; II Tim. 4:1; Heb. 10:26-27; Heb. 6:4-6; II Pet. 2:20-21; Heb.. 3:12-14.

Please why they do not mean what they say they mean. Please respond to each one individually

OSAS is one of the false teachings that one does not really need scripture to refute it. I has no reality. As you may have noticed also that sin is relativized and the nature of humanity is ignored. Not just the reality of our human existence, but the scriptural description of man's humanity.

 

[Atwood]

OSAS is one of the false teachings that one does not really need scripture to refute it.

Of course not, because truth come from Sola Cassiana! If Cassian saith it, why that proves it.

Well, Cassian, you made your pontification.

In contrast to your human ideas, the Word of God says that Christians are eternally secure. And it is important that you and I trust the Lord Jesus completely for our eternal destiny. There is no one else to trust, certainly not our ability to do God's will.

Even a redeemed Christian confesses that he has the Rom 7 experience at times:

I was alive apart from the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died; …
I am carnal, sold under sin. For that which I do I know not: for not what I would, that do I practise; but what I hate, that I do. But if what I would not, that I do, I consent unto the law that it is good. So now it is no more I that do it, but sin which dwelleth in me. For I know that in me, that is, in my flesh, dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me, but to do that which is good is not. For the good which I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I practise. … to me who would do good, evil is present. For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: but I see a different law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity under the law of sin which is in my members. Wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me …?
I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then I of myself with the mind, indeed, serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Do not forget,

I give them eternal life; and they shall never perish!

Dear Cassian, trust him for that right now!

 

[Atwood]

I give to them eternal life, and they shall never pe[/B]rish.

[SUP]9 [/SUP]No one who is born of God[SUP](A)[/SUP] will continue to sin

A common interpretation, "continue to sin." But I don't buy it, and there is no word "continue" in the Greek. I take it that 1 John speaks of the New Human Nature (vs our Old Man) which cannot sin, as it is begotten of God. The present tense "continually" theory is erroneous. Take the present tense, "In many things we all stumble" (James). Who would claim that this means that Christians continually sin without let up? But stop dwelling on passages which are not about how to get eternal life or salvation; nor making statements on those subjects.

[/quote]Take your foot out of your mouth brother and seek after truth.[/quote]

I take my sword out of its sheaf (Eph 6, sword = Word of God); I swing & slice! but not against you but vs the principalities and powers. I swing to deliver you from the prison of your theories which prevent you from trusting Christ as Savior.

[/quote]Tell it to brother atwood because wants eternal life without fellowship with Christ.[/quote]

Kindly do not state bold falsehoods, NewB. The fact is that sin hinders fellowship, and a Christian's fellowship varies from day to day. But salvation, eternal life, is still his destiny; because God has promised to straighten the Christian out once for all eventually and to provide eternal life.

I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish.

Romans 6:23

For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

[SUP]11 [/SUP]And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

[SUP]12 [/SUP]He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish.

 

[Atwood]

Atwood, do you mean to tell me that I am 67 years old but yet I have never met a single individual in my entire life who was a true Christian for a while and then fell away. He slowly stopped going to church, and stopped taking part Christian activities surrounding that He then began to lose all interest in anything spiritual. It happens,
,it happens all the time.

Good morning Alligator.
So you have only 3 years before you become an old man. Enjoy your youth!

Apostasy is a fact. And it is explained by Hebrews 6:9 and 1 John. They came out and this shows that they never were saved; just professors. Of course it happens. And consider yourself! Are you just a pretender playing church? Or do you really trust the Lord Jesus for your eternal destiny? It appears to me that you do not trust Him for your destiny, your eternal life.

Take a look at these Scriptures:
Gal. 5:4; II Tim. 4:1; Heb. 10:26-27; Heb. 6:4-6; II Pet. 2:20-21; Heb.. 3:12-14.

Heb 6:4-6 has been answered over and over with Heb 6:9.
As to the rest, you are going to have to do your own looking up and quoting and arguing. They do not negate eternal security. If you think so, quote them and prove it. Make sure that they speak about salvation and eternal life, not some tangential issue.

Consider the abundant evidence which I already posted to you, quite a grocery list of Bible texts. If they won't convince you, how can I do so?

And we know that to them that love God all things work together for good, even to them that are called according to his purpose. For whom
he foreknew,
he also foreordained to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren: and whom
he foreordained, them
he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom
he justified, them
he also glorified.

What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who is against us? He who spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not also with him freely give us all things?
Who shall lay anything to the charge of God’s elect? It is God who justifies;
who is he who condemns?
It is Christ Jesus that died, yea rather, that was raised from the dead, who is at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us.
Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or anguish, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? Even as it is written,
For thy sake we are killed all the day long;
We were accounted as sheep for the slaughter.

Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

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[Atwood]

You know what I have determined about this subject. That if your faith is properly placed in the work of the cross, then you are heaven bound and you don't have to worry about where your going. I meant, even if the devil trips you up or if you just get lackadaisical. Your still under His wing and the Spirit will convict, pull, and press.

What a great post, Kerry!

 

[SeaBass]

Hebrews 11:6 And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.

So if you are working hard to enter god's rest, God has for you, if not doing this earnestly seeking the rest, then stop, and reconsider truth that set one free, please
Hebrews 3:18 And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?

So does this say if not at rest in what you do or not do, you have not entered, why? because even though one says they believe and is not at rest in that, does not enter, because they really do not beleive, worshiping with their lips and their hearts far from him.
So if you are working as you claim we must, and are not at rest in this work you are claiming, does not that show you; you are alone in you that you do not believe the truth, if not at rest in you.
And if you are working to enter this rest then Brother continue on



Stress is a killer, and is what is a part of the thief that came to steal, kill and destroy us, by getting us to work as if we have any meritorious value


Hebrews 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

But Heb 11:6 does not say it is impossible for man to be faithful in his hearing and following Christ.

 

[SeaBass]

Do you not understand and see those that believe that are entered into rest from God by belief and confirmed by the Holy Spirit of God. Will themselves never leave, for the ones at rest by belief trust God and not man, even themselves
God is that good Brother, praying you are on your way to see the truth and make the descision to beleive fullly and have no more doubt as their is no doubt in God

Nothing in the context of Jn 10:27,28 says they will "never leave" or it is impossible for them to leave/quit hearing and following Christ. The hearing and following is done by choice and one can quit hearing and following by choice.