Homosexuals attending church

[J-Kay-2]

I fully share your view on this matter. Homosexuality should not be condoned by the church. But reading your post made me asked myself. Living gay is sin, making gay a sinner. But I am a sinner too although thru a different sin but just the same, a sinner. Now, how hypocritical do you think it would be if I take my wife to confront ( in a very nice way ) the gay couple about their sin?

I think it would be the kind way to confront a 'gay' couple, keeping it between each other,
not making scene. It could be done in love. I do not know if her Pastor has confronted
the couple yet. This is an old topic brought to us, so it would be interesting to know how it
did turn out.

I have to disagree with you when you say we are acting "Holier than thou" or " I see you
as a sinner, and I am not." That is not what my intention when I posted the suggestion to
her.

I am a sinner also. Saved by the Grace of God. The Blood of Jesus washes us and makes
us fit for the Kingdom. I will be so glad when He returns. We are praying for those who
openly flaunt their sin we know is a sin that goes against God. I also realize there are
secret sin in the lives of people in Church. You know the ones that are hidden from people,
but not from God.

Bless you....

 

[J-Kay-2]

I fully share your view on this matter. Homosexuality should not be condoned by the church. But reading your post made me asked myself. Living gay is sin, making gay a sinner. But I am a sinner too although thru a different sin but just the same, a sinner. Now, how hypocritical do you think it would be if I take my wife to confront ( in a very nice way ) the gay couple about their sin?

I failed to mention in my response to you, I was speaking about the gay couple she was speaking of ONLY.... J~K~2

 

[Eva1218]

GOD tells us all are welcomed and to come as we are. GOD does the cleaning up in our lives. Now the homosexual couple do need to have a one on one with the pastor regarding their choice of lifestyle. With that being said the pastor is to address the issue. The members are not to treat the couple unfair by having unhealthy thoughts about them. If it truly bothers you then live a life of CHRIST in front of them. Pray for them to truly have a relationship with CHRIST and see their sin as hurting GOD. Now the members must realize we all come to church for healing, restoration and forgiveness by hearing the Word of GOD the mind becomes renewed and refreshed. Many homosexuals have been changed and have totally committed to GOD. The important thing is that no one is to be put into their position in the church until GOD appoints them.

Blessings!!!!!!! :")

 

[TruthFromFrank]

It's one thing to allow sinners into church and it's another to allow those engaged in sexual immorality to hold leadership positions and use the church as vehicle from which to malign God's Word to justify their sin and teach apostasy.

Central to Christianity is the doctrine of progressive sanctification in which Jesus changes the lives of thieves, liars, backbiters, gluttons, lovers of money, fornicators, adulterers, homosexuals, etc... to become ever more godly over time starting with salvation and a spiritual new birth into God's kingdom.

There is a real difference between welcoming sinners and condoning sin. There is a real difference between welcoming unrepentant sinners and allowing them to run your church. God's Word has qualifications for leadership that practicing homosexuals (or practicing fornicators or practicing adulterers) do not meet.

You are correct in what you are saying. As far as I know, leadership in a church is normally chosen by other church members and if they are xxxxxx, they will select the xxxxxx. The 'xxxxxx' may be replaced with whatever same word you would like. Leaders in the church needs to conform to God's standards and they are pretty easy to find in the Bible and they have to live it out as well. Unfortunately this does not happen in real life. Everybody needs to look in a mirror and make the right decision.

 

[Snuggle]

My Site Pastor just came out of the closet. She (yes, I have a female pastor), had in the past lived a homosexual lifestyle but had decided she wanted to have God as her partner in both this life and the next. When I found out that she had that sort of past, I was one of the first to go and get my pitch-fork...but than I saw her. I know her. I love her. She is a beautiful woman of God, and inspires me everyday. Could I give up my love-life for a life filled with only God? As much as God fills my heart, (and trust me he is more than enough), I still long to be a wife, a mother, a grandmother. It is a role I want for my life. I know that was a roll she wanted for her life. She is a lesbian. She may not be practicing any longer, but her attraction is still towards women. It's a fact of her life. Many people will say that "she doesn't have to have it be a fact, that she can just repent and it'll go away". I don't think it will. She is in a loving relationship with God. The lesbian part of her life is not a sin, it no longer has control of her. It's dormant so to speak.

There are others in my church family who are actively living a homosexual lifestyle. The have read the Bible and have come to the conclusion that it is not a sin. I personally think that it is, but that's just my opinion. Who am I to "correct" them? My Lead Pastor (Bruxy Cavey), just gave a sermon called "Why Are Christians So Homophobic"? It's an interesting approach to the whole gay lifestyle in the church. How and why we react the way we do, and how Jesus would have us act.

I encourage anyone curious on the subject to listen to the sermon. I will admit, I am still struggling to not judge. To love like Jesus.

Here is "highlights" (shorter) version...it's only 7 minutes [video=youtube;hZDPpQqO1tg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZDPpQqO1tg[/video]
Here is a link to the full 35 minute sermon. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_3B6j2KTDk

 

[J-Kay-2]

My Site Pastor just came out of the closet. She (yes, I have a female pastor), had in the past lived a homosexual lifestyle but had decided she wanted to have God as her partner in both this life and the next. When I found out that she had that sort of past, I was one of the first to go and get my pitch-fork...but than I saw her. I know her. I love her. She is a beautiful woman of God, and inspires me everyday. Could I give up my love-life for a life filled with only God? As much as God fills my heart, (and trust me he is more than enough), I still long to be a wife, a mother, a grandmother. It is a role I want for my life. I know that was a roll she wanted for her life. She is a lesbian. She may not be practicing any longer, but her attraction is still towards women. It's a fact of her life. Many people will say that "she doesn't have to have it be a fact, that she can just repent and it'll go away". I don't think it will. She is in a loving relationship with God. The lesbian part of her life is not a sin, it no longer has control of her. It's dormant so to speak.

There are others in my church family who are actively living a homosexual lifestyle. The have read the Bible and have come to the conclusion that it is not a sin. I personally think that it is, but that's just my opinion. Who am I to "correct" them? My Lead Pastor (Bruxy Cavey), just gave a sermon called "Why Are Christians So Homophobic"? It's an interesting approach to the whole gay lifestyle in the church. How and why we react the way we do, and how Jesus would have us act.

I encourage anyone curious on the subject to listen to the sermon. I will admit, I am still struggling to not judge. To love like Jesus.

Here is "highlights" (shorter) version...it's only 7 minutes [video=youtube;hZDPpQqO1tg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZDPpQqO1tg[/video]
Here is a link to the full 35 minute sermon. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_3B6j2KTDk

Hi, I did not watch the video because nothing he could say will change Gods Word.
I am not homophobic as some would accuse me of. I had a female physician and
she is living with a woman/partner. My husband and I loved her when she was
our physician and still when we see her out somewhere, we all hug one another.

In your situation with the Pastor having been lesbian, I would assume she has
repented and living as Christ would have her be. Cleansed and washed in the Blood
of the Lamb salvation. These are just my opinions okay ? I am not here to put
you down. I am thinking of the couples that are living openly homosexual lives,
and it were my Church, I would have to leave. I would be cautious, ( and I say
this is love to you ) not to fall for the modern day teachings. Please... pray and
seek Gods will for you.

God has not changed for man , my friend... Man is trying to change God to suit
their lustful immoral lifestyles.

Please I believe me when I say, I don't want us to be enemies over our thoughts
on this topic. I just wanted to say what is on my mind and let you know it would
not do me any good to watch a video about that which I know is 'sin' in the eyes
of God.

God bless you....

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

The Bible speaks directly to "homosexual behavior" or "homosexual acts." A "homosexual", from a scriptural perspective, is someone that engages in homosexual acts.

Homosexuality as an "identity" is a modern non-biblical construction. Modernists (and post-modernists) began to assert that homosexual behavior is genetically based (e.g. a genetic flaw in the human genome) and then fabricated an identity around this immoral behavior.

If she is NOT engaging in ANY homosexual acts or other sins that would disqualify her from leadership in the church, then she is not a homosexual or presently disqualified for the purpose of leadership in Christendom.

While life isn't always that simple (for example, though sin is always a choice the temptations people are presented with may not be) the qualifications for leadership in the church revealed in God's Word are set in stone.

That aside, Pastors like Bob Stith are informed and always interesting to listen to on this topic:

[video=youtube_share;KMpzLdc38E8]http://youtu.be/KMpzLdc38E8[/video]

The lesbian part of her life is not a sin, it no longer has control of her. It's dormant so to speak.

 

[Patnubay]

I think it would be the kind way to confront a 'gay' couple, keeping it between each other,
not making scene. It could be done in love. I do not know if her Pastor has confronted
the couple yet. This is an old topic brought to us, so it would be interesting to know how it
did turn out.

I have to disagree with you when you say we are acting "Holier than thou" or " I see you
as a sinner, and I am not." That is not what my intention when I posted the suggestion to
her.

I am a sinner also. Saved by the Grace of God. The Blood of Jesus washes us and makes
us fit for the Kingdom. I will be so glad when He returns. We are praying for those who
openly flaunt their sin we know is a sin that goes against God. I also realize there are
secret sin in the lives of people in Church. You know the ones that are hidden from people,
but not from God.

Bless you....

What I was saying was your suggestion is the correct thing to do and yet "Politically Wrong" these days.

Bless you

 

[J-Kay-2]

What I was saying was your suggestion is the correct thing to do and yet "Politically Wrong" these days.

Bless you

Oh... you sure did get that one right... Everything has to be PC.... I did write the
original poster of this thread to see if she has any news on the outcome of this
question she presented to us. I have not heard from her yet...I told her she has
about 106 likes... She certainly picked a winner... That was a good Thread....

 

[jjtj22]

To be quite honest, I am finding it hard to attend church at this point. I am praying God and time will show the people of authority in my church the correct course of action. I however cannot at this point expose my children to obvious homosexual sin. I know many will not agree with that but my husband and myself are answerable to God and must do as we prayerfully believe best.

This thread has made another concern more obvious to me, an epidemic of Christians with an unbalanced view of God. Also of concern is the amount of Christians that do not think that the devil wants inside groups of believers to disrupt the work of God. This is both frightening and heartbreaking.

 

[BlueYetti]

I just think we need to be careful in pointing out one sin above another - Sin is Sin no matter what the offense and all sin is offensive to God. Eating a piece of fruit from the wrong tree cost Jesus His life for us. Jesus said to the group who brought Him a prostitute to judge - Let him who is without sin cast the first stone. So I ask who among us would like to throw the stone at this gay couple in church?

I completely agree, we all come into the church the same way...Broken. However, we do have to progress in the grace we are offered and work on being more Christ-like - even thought we will never be close. My job is to love everyone no matter what their belief, and try to lead a life that attracts other to Christ. Do I do that? Not always. But I am getting better.

 

[jjtj22]

My job is to love everyone no matter what their belief, and try to lead a life that attracts other to Christ. Do I do that? Not always. But I am getting better.

Yetti, what is your definition of love?

 

[Billyd]

What I have to say has been repeated several times. The couple should be treated as sinners in search of God. If you have a mature church, minister to the couple. They are in dire need of your help. If you are in a church with a young congregation in Christ (many new Christians), be very careful to ensure that you do not let the couples behavior does not have a negative impact on your ministry. Although this couple needs to come to Christ, they are also looking for a church to accept them in their current lifestyle. Nothing will destroy a new Christian faster than the even the appearance of acceptance of a sinful lifestyle. I pray that this lost couple find Christ, and his love, along with the mate of the opposite sex that He has for them.

 

[jjtj22]

Nothing will destroy a new Christian faster than the even the appearance of acceptance of a sinful lifestyle.

Isn't this also true of the youth and children of the church?

 

[J-Kay-2]

I was put down for linking homosexuality and pedophiles together.
Your question about the children made me think of my response.
I found they are linked and your question is valid.

When I hear of homosexuals adopting, my stomach turns, because
I know what the children more than likely become when they grow
up.

A question was asked today of a man of God.... Is it wrong to pray
"Come quickly Lord Jesus ? " He responded with the answer, it is ok.

 

[sassylady]

I agree, they should always be welcome in church but they need to hear that they are living in sin. The Pastor should address this.

 

[BeeD]

We had a situation like this in our church one time. There were two homosexual women coming to our church. Everyone knew it, yet no one said anything. The women were not discrete about their relationship. Would even share a kiss during services. I waited a while to give place to our pastor to hopefully deal with the situation. I could even see the discomfort on his face for the situation. I didn't feel he should put them out of the church because that is where sinners should come to to learn better. I only thought he should speak to them about their life choice, because they may not have known better.....some gay people don't; and to speak to them about their public desplay of affection. I didn't say anything openly, I prayed about it. In time the ladies just stopped attending our church. I don't know if our pastor ever talked to them or not, but if I know him like I think, I imagine he did get around to it.

 

[Yowie]

Whether we view it as sin or not, if they are in union with God He will sort out whatever needs to be sorted out.
I go to a church service some weeks run by The Salvation Army and there are alcoholics, drug addicts, prostitutes and homosexuals among the crowd that gather for a meal and then sing songs to praise God/Jesus, and I love it.

 

[J-Kay-2]

Whether we view it as sin or not, if they are in union with God He will sort out whatever needs to be sorted out.
I go to a church service some weeks run by The Salvation Army and there are alcoholics, drug addicts, prostitutes and homosexuals among the crowd that gather for a meal and then sing songs to praise God/Jesus, and I love it.

Yowie, I don't think anyone would be upset about them coming to the
Salvation Army Church service. I think it is great. I believe God will do
what He does best... CONVICT... and we can pray for them and love them.
I saw on the news the other evening .... an awesome news piece where a
lady in her 60's has been taking to a Street Ministry and she sees them
fed and gives them the Word of God.

She shared that one day it was so very cold and she thought.. "No one
will show up due to the weather," but she went anyway. To her surprise
5 people were out there waiting on her. She helps feed and clothes
them. She is showing the love of Christ and you know.... no one is asking
what their sexual preference is. She is loving as Jesus loves and man she
was a blessing to watch.

Remember the young boy who was so touched by the homeless and he
saw them out on the street in the cold and in card board boxes ? He asked
his parents to begin to take blankets to them. They thought.. this is probably
a one time thing... Well to their surprise, the boy began to take food to them,
and kept the blankets coming .... No one asked what their sexual preference
was.... They were loved by Jesus.

This is different than the original thread started out, but it brought to my
memory these things that I am certain the OP would agree it is exactly what
she would approve of. It is one thing to openly sin when you know it hurts
Jesus Christ and what He went to the Cross for.... and another to minister
to those who are homeless and with needs the average person does not
think to ask their lifestyle.... God bless our OP for allowing us the freedom
to express our views. God bless you..