MBTI details and clarifications

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gypsygirl

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a couple days ago, an MBTI personality type and preference discussion popped up on the streams thread. i had planned to respond to some of the posts that people made.

rather than post what i wrote in streams, i'm going to create a new thread for this discussion, since i feel that there are still a lot of people who don't understand the value, intention, and limitations of this information.

i'm afraid that several of you have misunderstood the whole point of personality typing. i have found the MBTI evaluation as a helpful tool for understanding myself and others for many years, starting back when i was in college and took my first MBTI evaluation--not in any negative, label-limiting situation, but as a means of getting to know somebody better, since i've found it to be very helpful, when viewed and utilized correctly.

firstly, the Meyers-Brigg Type Indicator (MBTI) measures roughly four things about the individual:

1. flow of energy
2. how we take in information
3. how we prefer to make decisions
4. the basic day-to-day lifestyle that we prefer

Within each of these categories, we "prefer" to be either:

1. Extraverted or Introverted
2. Sensing or iNtuitive
3. Thinking or Feeling
4. Judging or Perceiving

these things are all measured on a dual polarity continuum scale. your answers rank your preference and type is drawn from where on that scale you fall. introversion is on one end of the scale, and extroversion is on the other end. and so on, for the four scales.

after you've answered the questions, you'll be given your type preferences, as well as percentages that measure the intensity of that preference. those "letters" are the type preferences your answers reveal, and form to become that "type". with each of the four continuum scales, there are 16 types in all.

what the MBTI it is not:

+ a heirarchy of better or worse traits or personality types. there is no better or worse type, since they all have inherent strengths, weaknesses, giftings and vulnerabilites. there simply is no better "type" to be, regardless of what people tell you. i've met amazing people with lots of different types.

+designed to reflect personal or spiritual growth, since personality preference is more about how our brain is wired, not how well we use it

+a diagnosis designed to "cookie cutter" you or your potential for success in anything, or create a mechanism for excuses

what the MBTI is:

+to help you understand how your brain is wired, and how you relate to others, learn and discover your natural strengths and weaknesses


+to help you understand understand better how others relate to you, the world, learn and express themselves

+to help you identify natural compatibility between people, and to locate potential for conflict when relating, counselling, working with, or communicating with others

+to help you identify your vulnerabilities and strengths for the purpose of self-awareness, helpful in many circumstances, such as job, and relationship scenarios

more details, using myself as an example:

i have taken the MBTI several times in my life, starting when i was first in college. i have always consistently scored as an ENFP. in fact, the only thing that has changed is the "percentages" that reflect how strongly those preference types exist.

for example, when i was much younger, i was considered a high extrovert. now, i'm considered a low extrovert.

to those who think your personality should change, because you've "grown": if you've been well "typed" by your
test, i would assert that you probably won't change "types" but only shift within the "intensity" your given type. in my experience, i find that if your "personality" changed, i'd question the test, or how the test was taken.

as to its value? well, it's helped me to validate my choices and help me better understand my weaknesses. it's also helped me to understand that many of my strengths also come with inherent vulnerabilities.

+it helps me to understand why i'm compassionate and empathetic towards people that many can't find sympathy for. it also helps me identify that potential liability in me.

+it helps me to understand why i love the beauty of illustrative words and the poetry of expression, while others want the "bottom line" and logical and linear information.

+it helps me understand why i know people who love the routine-driven tasks of their life, and why i struggle with any kind of forced routine.

we are only as successful in our work and personal relationships by our own ability to communicate, work with, cooperate, love and respect one another. for me, the MBTI has spared me enormous frustration, many words of dialogue, and helped me to see that those who do things differently than me are no more wrong than i am right for doing them my way.

rather, it's the way God made me, and it's how God made you. : )

further resources:

do you want to take the test for yourself? i recommend this one. it's not that long either, i promise.

+ the preferences explained
+ the 16 different personality types
+ an earlier CC MBTI thread with lots of helpful/compiled information



 
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iTOREtheSKY

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HERETIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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LOL i AM TOTALLY TEASING YOU,BTW. :D
 
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MissCris

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Thanks for this, it makes more sense now :)

I think part of my issue "getting" the whole thing stemmed from the utter ridiculousness of most personality tests, and my one experience with the "typing system" that literally kinda shoved people into boxes.

But how you've explained it here (and how Ugly was trying to explain it in Streams) does make sense.

I was was also kind of annoyed at my results; my type has some common issues that are a touchy subject for me. Er...yeah. ISFPs sound sorta terrible lol.
 

gypsygirl

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ok, so i re-took the test a couple days ago, just for kicks. here's my results from the test i linked above.

ENFP

Extroverted - 26%
iNtuitive - 29%
Feeling - 56%
Prospecting - 64%

Turbulent - 9%

by the way, the "Turbulent" or "Assertive" type is a newer, add on, that speaks to the following:

[h=3]Identity[/h]Finally, the Identity aspect underpins all others, showing how confident we are in our abilities and decisions:

  • Assertive individuals are emotionally stable, calm, relaxed, refuse to worry too much.
  • Turbulent individuals are self-conscious, care about their image, success-driven, perfectionists.

 

Liamson

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This is the best MBTI thread I've ever seen.
 

hoss2576

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Mine actually has changed some. I am a ESFJ.


Extraverted: 22%, Observant: 9%, Feeling: 51%, Judging: 35%, Assertive: 25%
 
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Your personality type: ENFJ (Turbulent variant).


Breakdown of preferences:

Mind
- Extraverted (18%),
Energy
- Intuitive (10%),
Nature
- Feeling (32%),
Tactics
- Judging (5%),
Identity
- Turbulent (7%).

This is the first time I have ever been labeled an extravert. O_O I normally test ISFJ or INFJ.
 
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Your personality type: INTJ (Assertive variant).
Breakdown of preferences:
Mind - Introverted (100%),
Energy - Intuitive (36%),
Nature - Thinking (61%),
Tactics - Judging (19%),
Identity - Assertive (19%)

http://www.16personalities.com/intj-personality
The INTJ personality type is one of the rarest and most interesting types. Comprising only about 2 percent of the U.S. population (INTJ females are especially rare—just 0.8%), INTJs are often seen as highly intelligent and perplexingly mysterious.
 
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Nodmyheadlikeyeah

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Your personality type: ISTP (Turbulent variant).
Breakdown of preferences: Mind - Introverted (77%), Energy - Observant (37%), Nature- Thinking (40%), Tactics - Prospecting (54%), Identity - Turbulent (12%).
 
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persNickety

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I would like to add something about personal growth, I have used MBTI (as well as the Enneagram - another personality index but it does speak of growth- personal and spiritual) has helped me become more self-aware, but also use my knowledge to make better choices in life.

For example: For the longest time, I went from job to job to job, they always had expiration dates. Never lasted over 2 years, sometimes i would just not show up to work if i dreaded the task that i would do all because it was meaningless to me. I hated work- because I wasn't able to use: my individuality & uniqueness (which extremely important to my personality), my creativity, my empathy, my ideas, my freedom, and my ability to grow and lead, and connect with other human beings on a deeper level. I was a number, it didn't matter if i ever did come back to work, someone would replace me, people will still get called, medication/magazines/clothes would still get purschased. I didn't care is the money was good. I hated it, I felt stuck and strangled and needed out pronto. This continued for years upon years.

When i was introduced to the enneagram by my Christian counsellor, it brought me back to self-discovery and MBTI. I identified with almost everything and the words "Meaningful Action" stayed with me. The way to self-develop/ live healthier, be able to express myself as individual, use my creativity, ideas, etc is to find work that is meaningful. I switched jobs to my current one, and I have found a path in which these things can be utilized.

INFPs are complex. If you are/know one, you know. Our feelings can lead us astray, feeling happy some days, feeling suicidal others. We may believe that our identity is based upon feelings and moods, and can get pulled undertow in seas of emotions. It is so helpful to have a guide to self-awareness and develop through the personality that God has given me.

So my point is, that it can be used for self-development. Its good for self-awareness, but its useless if it keeps you stagnant.
 
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MissCris

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I can't copy and paste cuz...iPhone...grumble grumble...but here's what I got and a few discriptive words I pulled out of the profile for my type:

ISFP
Introverted- 53%
Observant- 7%
Feeling- 20%
Prospecting- 67%
Turbulent- 17%

Spontaneous, unpredictable, like to experiment, resists control, free souls, inspires others, easily stressed, prone to low self esteem, artistic, charming, passionate, curious, can become egocentric or conniving, unstructured, connect easily with people, great sense of aesthetics, very competitive in certain situations.

Hmm...
 
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persNickety

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Add in: Perhaps, MBTI in particular isn't focused on self-development the way the The Enneagram does, so when I look at living healthier through my personality, I reflect more on the things that i have learned through it, rather than MBTI. But I use them together, sort of fluidly. This might all be super confusing to you guys. My point is, I would recommend the enneagram, IF you are looking at development. It has a Christian spiritual aspect to it that MBTI doesn't: Free Enneagram Test (scroll down). Most spiritual directors are familiar with it, so if you know any.
 

rachelsedge

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I love your description of why it's helpful. It's not a boxing in, it's an understanding of. :)

Every time I take an MBTI test, I get INFJ, and this yielded the same result. I liked the added aspect of Assertive vs. Turbulent. I'm 40% turbulent...yeesh. I mean, it's accurate. :rolleyes: It just sounds...like a lot.
 

Markum1972

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Your personality type: ENFJ (Turbulent variant).


Breakdown of preferences:

Mind
- Extraverted (18%),
Energy
- Intuitive (10%),
Nature
- Feeling (32%),
Tactics
- Judging (5%),
Identity
- Turbulent (7%).

This is the first time I have ever been labeled an extravert. O_O I normally test ISFJ or INFJ.
Hmm... that only adds up to 72%. There is 28% of you missing. :p
 

G4JC

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While some personality tests can be amusing, it is important to note that this is the man made religion of Psychology. Worldy wisemen such as the infamous Carl Jung who blames you mother for everything and was obsessed with sex was one of the primary inventors.

“Its (Psychology) essential doctrine is that (the) self , which is declared to be innately good , is the key to solving all of life’s problems.” T.A. McMahon (The Berean Call Publication)

Psychology suggests: Man is, at his core, good. Scripture in opposition, declares that man (or the self) is innately sinful.
“The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it?” Jeremiah:17:9
“So why would psychotherapists, in view of all of the horrendous evil that we see demonstrated daily throughout the world, hold to a premise that simple observation denies? They have no choice. Without God, only self remains. And so the delusion(al) charade based upon the innate goodness of man goes on (as well as the terrible consequence) for people who have turned from God to a deified self.” T.A. McMahon.
Christians believe that even the sinful heart can be renewed by receiving Christ.
“For nothing is impossible with God.” Luke 1:37
Christians believe that all we really need to know for our spiritual development and success in the Kingdom of God has been recorded in the Bible.
So remember, personaility types and psychology is not the end-all do-all for relationships. When God is at the center of any marriage, all personality types can work together. Additionally we should not put faith into wordly wisdom, but put our trust in God.
 

gypsygirl

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While some personality tests can be amusing, it is important to note that this is the man made religion of Psychology. Worldy wisemen such as the infamous Carl Jung who blames you mother for everything and was obsessed with sex was one of the primary inventors.
So remember, personaility types and psychology is not the end-all do-all for relationships. When God is at the center of any marriage, all personality types can work together. Additionally we should not put faith into wordly wisdom, but put our trust in God.
thanks for your feedback.

first, you've confused carl jung with sigmund freud. while jung did study with freud for period of his life, he has markedly different views and leanings, by he way. the MBTI was actually a test developed by mother/daughter team Katharine C. Briggs, and Isabel Briggs Myers by adapting information from Carl Jung, and then developing additional elements for analysis.

second, if you were under the impression that i would suggest that a personality type test could in anyway be a substitute for scripture or God's leading, you are among those who misunderstand the point of such a test.

however, if i tossed out every man-made bit of wisdom that i had gleaned from a book, i might still be making macaroni and cheese from a box. : )


 
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DuchessAimee

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Your personality type: ENTJ (Assertive variant).
Breakdown of preferences: Mind - Extraverted (16%), Energy - Intuitive (22%), Nature- Thinking (17%), Tactics - Judging (16%), Identity - Assertive (40%).
 

DuchessAimee

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While some personality tests can be amusing, it is important to note that this is the man made religion of Psychology. Worldy wisemen such as the infamous Carl Jung who blames you mother for everything and was obsessed with sex was one of the primary inventors.



So remember, personaility types and psychology is not the end-all do-all for relationships. When God is at the center of any marriage, all personality types can work together. Additionally we should not put faith into wordly wisdom, but put our trust in God.



If you think that the bible doesn't use or explore psychology, you're quite wrong. Oh, and that quote you used by McMahon is also wrong. His blanket statement that ALL of psychology is humanistic is misguided. The whole of psychology DOES NOT say that man is good. Humanism does. That's it. Humanism is only one of five therapeutic "branches" of psychology.



If you don't believe me about God being involved in psychology, then consider the fact that we're made in God's image. Also, read the Pauline scriptures. Specifically Romans.
 
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blueorchidjd

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INTP

Strengths:
Great Analysts and abstract thinkers
Honest and straightforward
Objective
Imaginitive and Original
Open-Minded
Enthusiastic



Weaknesses:
Absent-Minded
Insensitive
Second-Guessers
Very Private and Withdrawn
Loath Rules and Guidelines
Can be condescending.

Anything said after that last thing makes me look like a jerk, hahaha.
 
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