I Want To Be Disfellowshipped From The SDA Church

[Shubee]

do you still follow the 7th day as the Sabbath or believe in the other beliefs of the sda"s?

I now understand why a Biblically unidentifiable international date line makes the Sabbath day impossible to define for most locations on earth. That argument can be found in my Detailed Criticisms of Showcase Doctrines. Thus, I am now in perfect agreement with the Apostle Paul advising the church to not agitate about sacred days and agree with his identification of festivals, new moons and Sabbaths as a shadow of things to come.

The same link presents a brief itemized list of all my criticisms on all the other SDA doctrines as well. I also summarize it nicely with this one sentence: I only strongly oppose the 29th fundamental Adventist belief and I'm fairly tolerant of the deceptive showcase of 28.

 

[iamsoandso]

"The lord our God made a covenant with (us) at Horeb. The lord made (not) this covenant with (our fathers),but with (us) even (us) who are all of us here alive this day"(Deut.5;2-3),,,what was the covenant at Horeb?

 

[Shubee]

I was the lamb that troubled the water the wolf was drinking

be careful of every church every denomination for in there there is allways a wolf

Thanks for mentioning the word wolf. It reminded me of one of my favorite lines in D’Aubigne's History of the Reformation of the Sixteenth Century. It is Martin Luther saying, "I was the lamb that troubled the water the wolf was drinking."

The paragraph reads:

Luther was tranquilly awaiting at Wittenberg the good effects that he imagined his submissive letter to the pope would produce, when on the 7th August, two days only after the letters of Maximilian and of Frederick were sent off, he received the summons of the Roman tribunal. “At the very moment I was expecting a blessing,” said he, “I saw the thunderbolt fall upon me. I was the lamb that troubled the water the wolf was drinking. Tetzel escaped, and I was to permit myself to be devoured.” D’Aubigne, History of the Reformation of the Sixteenth Century, chapter 2, p. 128.
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I understand Luther's experience. The exact same thing happened to me. See Threats, Intimidation and the Kingdom of God.

 

[StoneThrower]

If I had to summarize my painful experience in the Seventh-day Adventist church, I could do it in a single line. To me SDA stands for Stasi Demon Agency.

If I had to explain just a little bit further, then adding one key line by Chris Hedges comes to mind: "The Nazis broke bones; the Stasi broke souls."

For those that want to know more, I consider my criticisms of showcase doctrines to be a good introduction.

Sorry for your pain but glad you broke fellowship as they are a religous cult.

 

[Karraster]

Re: I was the lamb that troubled the water the wolf was drinking

Thanks for mentioning the word wolf. It reminded me of one of my favorite lines in D’Aubigne's History of the Reformation of the Sixteenth Century. It is Martin Luther saying, "I was the lamb that troubled the water the wolf was drinking."

The paragraph reads:

Luther was tranquilly awaiting at Wittenberg the good effects that he imagined his submissive letter to the pope would produce, when on the 7th August, two days only after the letters of Maximilian and of Frederick were sent off, he received the summons of the Roman tribunal. “At the very moment I was expecting a blessing,” said he, “I saw the thunderbolt fall upon me. I was the lamb that troubled the water the wolf was drinking. Tetzel escaped, and I was to permit myself to be devoured.” D’Aubigne, History of the Reformation of the Sixteenth Century, chapter 2, p. 128.
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I understand Luther's experience. The exact same thing happened to me. See Threats, Intimidation and the Kingdom of God.

A quote from the link you provided:

I believe that most of the pastors of the Seventh-day Adventist church favor using threats and intimidation and a direct appeal to the state for immediate prosecution, instead of obeying Scripture.

are u serious???

Whatever this vendetta you have against the SDA organization is broad in scope, and accusation, dontcha think? I guess we all need causes...

I have a question..since you seem obsessed with the IDL, perhaps you may know the answer. Daylight, or rays from the sun, go in a straight line, correct? Why is the IDL in a zig zag fashion? I'm not from the Land of Zog, so I don't know the answer. Please and thank you.

 

[iamsoandso]

"The lord our God made a covenant with (us) at Horeb. The lord made (not) this covenant with (our fathers),but with (us) even (us) who are all of us here alive this day"(Deut.5;2-3),,,what was the covenant at Horeb?

I must go for today,before I go there are only the two covenants as Moses stated one was given to them(deut.5;2),the other was made with their fathers Abraham Issac and Jacob(deut. 5;3),,it was never the same covenant as the covenant made in (gen.17;1-27),(gen.22;15-18),,it was the covenant made with their fathers. The covenant made in deut.5 cannot remove the covenant made to the fathers in gen.17,,see(Galatians 3;17),,,but I must go for now,,,

 

[Shubee]

Re: I was the lamb that troubled the water the wolf was drinking

A quote from the link you provided:

I believe that most of the pastors of the Seventh-day Adventist church favor using threats and intimidation and a direct appeal to the state for immediate prosecution, instead of obeying Scripture.

are u serious???

Yes. And I believe it's easy for a Seventh-day Adventist to verify it scientifically. All that an astute observer needs to do is sign up on all the popular SDA forums and see how quickly he or she gets banned for beginning a discussion on my claims, alleged experiences and theology. The same spirit that rules the SDA church also rules the largest internet forums for SDAs. There is an easy to identify "holy order." And I have been banned from forums that I never even heard of.

 

[Angela53510]

Write them a letter asking to be disfellowshipped and then don't return. If you want to change the SDA doctrines, work from the outside, rescuing individuals. You will never change the basic structure of the church.

I knew a woman, a family member by marriage who was a JW for 15 years. When she read their Bible, she realized the truth of the gospel and was saved. She started a ministry to free people from the JW's Mormons, SDA and used their materials and Bibles to show that they were cults and preached another gospel.

She rescued many people from those cults. You have already started this ministry, so leave, find a Bible believing church, and continue with your ministry. God bless your efforts to convince them of their heretical doctrines.

 

[Shubee]

Re: I was the lamb that troubled the water the wolf was drinking

I have a question..since you seem obsessed with the IDL, perhaps you may know the answer. ... Why is the IDL in a zig zag fashion?

The International Date Line has been adjusted several times when affected governments decide that it is economically beneficial to have their days match those of neighboring countries for the purpose of a more profitable and practical commerce.

 

[Shubee]

Write them a letter asking to be disfellowshipped and then don't return. If you want to change the SDA doctrines, work from the outside, rescuing individuals.
You have already started this ministry, so leave, find a Bible believing church, and continue with your ministry. God bless your efforts to convince them of their heretical doctrines.

I want a public show trial in a kangaroo church court. Of course I will continue with my ministry.

 

[dcontroversal]

The words...freedom to disassociate <----do they ring a bell HAH!

 

[iamsoandso]

I want a public show trial in a kangaroo church court. Of course I will continue with my ministry.

ok I took a shower and I'm ready to go,,I've been think-in,,,who cares,we've all been tried by some kangaroo church court. point is we could all say something witty like,,,,"sda put you on trail,aint that how you got here?",,,but hey,we been there,just different churches put us all on trial. Shubee,you've only been a member 2 days,,,"WHO CARES WHAT THEY DONE?",,,we are another church,we argue,we love each other,we apologize,we are where you received your sentence from the kangaroo church court,,,,welcome to c.c.,,,,

we don't all agree,we argue for months over one subject(lol),,but we don't wear our feelings on our sleeves. we want to figure out what is the closest to the truth and try to figure out how to follow it. I am iamsoandso,I am the goofiest,most unintelligent,human being on the face of the earth. I will not scorn you this is a promise i will make you,they will not either as far as i can tell(that is we haven't fellowship-ed any of them and sent them to a sda site so far),,,any how who cares where you didn't find god,,,your here,and your not alone,,"welcome to c.c.",,,,

 

[preacha24_7]

Greetings in the name of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. My brother you need to be in a church that preaches the truth. Stay away from cult groups they will send you straight to hell. Let the words that I speak bring glory to God and help my brothers and sisters in Christ. I'm very familiar with cult groups. Why does false religion exist?? It's because Satan is the father of lies. He would rather see you join a cult group than get born again. Satan hates God and he hates christians. He sees Christians as a threat to his kingdom. Satan hates to be exposed. Let's see what the word says about exposing Satan. Ephesians5:11-12 And have nothing to do with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them. For it is even shameful to speak of the things they do in secret.
Make sure you don't join any secret groups or clubs because most of the time they are very demonic. They won't tell you that because Satan is very sneaky. His greatest tactics are lies and deception.All these bible verses that I quote come from the New King James Version. 1 John 4:1-3 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world. I don't care about your denomination! It doesn't matter if you are Methodist, Baptist, Lutheran, Church of God, or Church of God in Christ. The main thing is have you been born again? That's what's important. 1John 5:13 These things have I written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God. That you may know that you have eternal life, and you continue to believe in the name of the Son of God. Satan wants every Christian to be silent. I refuse to be quiet. God has been so good to me. When I felt lonely he made me feel loved. When I felt like no one cared he was there. When I felt sad and depressed he replaced that with joy. When my friends turned against me he healed my broken heart. When thecrooked police department tried to send me to prison, God stepped in iI was found not guilty, and the judge dropped the charges. I've been in car accidents were iI walked out of the hospital without a scratch. A man pointed a loaded .45 semi-automatic pistol in my face and robbed me. The crooked cops arrested the guy who robbed me. The cops stole my money. I've been beat up and left for dead. I know that God protects his children. I'll scream and speak the name of Jesus until I'm heard. To every back street alley and ghetto curb. I hope you find a nice christian church to join. The 7th DayAdventist are a cult group. StStay away from Jehovah Witnesses and Mormons. The Masons are wicked too. Masons worship Satan. Jay-Z is a33rd Degree Mason and his wife Beyonce is a witch. Hollywood and the music industry are very demonic. Satan has blinded the eyes of so many people. They sell their soul to the devil for fame and fortune. If you don't believe me research it for yourself. Go to YouTube. Illuminati & the Music Industry 2013 part 1&2. Ask God to en
Help you to understand how wicked Satan really is. Preacha24-7

 

[GodIsSalvation]

Not sure what to make of the Adventists myself, I have seen material on them and by them. I don't think they'd be a church I'd ever attend myself to put it politely. I do not regard them as trully Christian, but I do see some real possibility for the true Jesus who is the Christ to reach many of the people under the SDA. Many of them are very good people, they just need less SDA and more Bible and Jesus.

As for you more personally, my brother, as some have pointed out if you want to be disfellowshipped with the SDA simply stop making fellowship with them. No need to beg them to disfellowship you, all that proves is you are still of their fellowship. Simply go to fellowship with Christians and Jesus and let that be your fellowship. You now come fellowship with Christians and follow the Christ who is Jesus and you will do well.

 

[Shubee]

… if you want to be disfellowshipped with the SDA simply stop making fellowship with them. No need to beg them to disfellowship you, all that proves is you are still of their fellowship.

I now see that I have to repeat myself and explain yet again what disfellowshipping means in Seventh-day Adventist writings because that’s the sense that I am referring to it. The following is from the Seventh-day Adventist Church Manual, pp. 61-62:

Reasons for Discipline

The reasons for which members shall be subject to discipline are:
1. Denial of faith in the fundamentals of the gospel and in the fundamental beliefs of the Church or teaching doctrines contrary to the same.

Process of Discipline

When grievous sins are involved, the church has two ways in which disciplinary measures must be taken:
1. By a vote of censure.
2. By a vote to remove from membership.

And on page p. 57 the Church Manual states this:

Take with you those who are spiritually minded, and talk with the one in error in regard to the wrong.... As he sees their agreement in the matter, his mind may be enlightened.

“‘And if he shall neglect to hear them,’ what then shall be done? Shall a few persons in a board meeting take upon themselves the responsibility of disfellowshiping the erring one? ‘If he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church.’... Let the church take action in regard to its members.

I say again: Justice is very important to abused people. I feel perfectly justified in asking the Seventh-day Adventist church to practice what it preaches.

 

[Shubee]

As for the requirements of justice, the Church Manual is quite specific:

“Settlement of Grievances of Members Against the Church---The same principles that influence resolution of differences among members apply to the settlement of grievances of members against Church organizations and institutions.” p. 61.

I have many grievances against the church.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

I now see that I have to repeat myself and explain yet again what disfellowshipping means in Seventh-day Adventist writings because that’s the sense that I am referring to it. The following is from the Seventh-day Adventist Church Manual, pp. 61-62:

Reasons for Discipline

The reasons for which members shall be subject to discipline are:
1. Denial of faith in the fundamentals of the gospel and in the fundamental beliefs of the Church or teaching doctrines contrary to the same.

Process of Discipline

When grievous sins are involved, the church has two ways in which disciplinary measures must be taken:
1. By a vote of censure.
2. By a vote to remove from membership.

And on page p. 57 the Church Manual states this:

Take with you those who are spiritually minded, and talk with the one in error in regard to the wrong.... As he sees their agreement in the matter, his mind may be enlightened.

“‘And if he shall neglect to hear them,’ what then shall be done? Shall a few persons in a board meeting take upon themselves the responsibility of disfellowshiping the erring one? ‘If he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church.’... Let the church take action in regard to its members.

I say again: Justice is very important to abused people. I feel perfectly justified in asking the Seventh-day Adventist church to practice what it preaches.

Well here's the problem though, you just said you have to explain what disfellowship means to SDA. Thus you are playing by their rules. Do not play by their rules, for as you yourself have splendidly pointed out they undermine their own holy order.

Therefore their rules have no power over you and all you have to do is simply don't go into the den of thieves, but turn aside instead towards the Lamb who is Jesus who is the Christ.

Look at it this way, right now you are not typing to us from the SDA's tomb are you? Simply stay at home on sunday or saturday or whatever day the SDA goes on like pharisees about, and read the Gospels instead. Or come talk to some other followers of the Christ. Or maybe just go be good and do well with your family remembering goodness of Jesus.

 

[Apostol2013]

59 For thus saith the Lord GOD; I will even deal with thee as thou hast done, which hast despised the oath in breaking the covenant.

60 Nevertheless I will remember my covenant with thee in the days of thy youth, and I will establish unto thee an everlasting covenant.


61 Then thou shalt remember thy ways, and be ashamed, when thou shalt receive thy sisters, thine elder and thy younger: and I will give them unto thee for daughters, but not by thy covenant.


62 And I will establish my covenant with thee; and thou shalt know that I am the LORD:


63 That thou mayest remember, and be confounded, and never open thy mouth any more because of thy shame, when I am pacified toward thee for all that thou hast done, saith the Lord GOD.

 

[Apostol2013]

4 He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law. note

 

[Apostol2013]

4 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.


16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. note


17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.


18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.


19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,


20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,


21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.


22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,


23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.


24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. note


25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.


26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.