Atwood,
Utter heresy; nowhere in the Bible. The end of Isaiah says:
And they shall go forth, and look upon the dead bodies of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.
Obfuscation again. Your citation has nothing to do with the Incarnation and the resurrection of Christ with our human nature. I cited the text of I Cor 15:53 where all men will be raised immortal and incorruptible. It follows the explanation of the salvific content of the Incarnation in I Cor 15:12-22. Christ took on our human nature to rasie our dead mortal nature to life.
YOu can deny the Incarnation for your religion, but that does not change what scripture means and that the Incarnation has always been the teaching of scripture and the Church from the beginning.
Your because statement is just you saying things again. The unsaved are raised for judgment. Where does Scripture support your because statement?
I have given you the texts before, again above along with the following, Rom 5:18, II Cor 5:18-19, Rom 3:23-25, Col 1:20, II Tim 1:10, Heb 2:14-17, Heb 2:9, Gen 3:19 and Rom 5:12 confirm that the fall was death, the condemnation of death, Satan taking man captive through his power of death.
I know it is very difficult to throw what one has learned and always believed, but it can be done, many others have done so. Your view is so far from scirpture it cannot even be classified as being in the ballpark.
In Rev 20:13, there is no one said to be found written in the Book of Life.
It clearly states ALL THE DEAD are raised. ALL THE BOOKS will be opened and EVERY MAN WILL GIVE AN ACCOUNT OF HIS WORKS. I again understand your reason to demonize, diminish, and change the meaning of scripture to support all of your errant views. However, your view is not going to change the meaning of scripture as it has always been understood from the beginning, and being preserved by the Holy Spirit.
There has ever been only 1 Church, which does not condemn trusting Christ as Savior at all. But it appears to me that your basis of truth is your denomination, not the Bible. So this is a charade for you. And so you rant on, proving nothing.
You are correct, Christ established ONLY one Church, His Body which cannot be divided. I don't belong to a denomination like you. I belong to the Church Christ established and has existed in this world from the beginning. I don't hold to your changing scripture again, and formulating a philosophical concept of a church.
Adam has nothing to do with it. He was not saved before the Fall. I don't know any scripture that says if he ever got saved or not. The animal skins leads one to think that he did. But there is nothing about Him losing salvation.
Adam has everything to do with it. Your theology is so fragmented by man made theories that none of it has any continuity from beginning to end. Adam was created good, not perfect. He was created to work with God to bring both himself and the gift of this world back to God as a living sacrfice. He was to mature, to become perfected and attain to immortality. However, he disobeyed, fell and became mortal instead.
Now, you are correct that Adam as he was created did not need salvation,(since he was not created in a mortal state), but he was created to attain to eternal life.
We, as fallen human beings needed to be saved from the fall, from death and sin first, so that we again had life, an eternal existence, so that we, if one chooses to be united with Christ can work with Him to attain to eternal life with Christ. adam fell from that relationship, so can you and any other believer. Which is why OSAS is a fallacy, a false teaching of scripture. It falls already in Genesis. ONe need not go any further.
I possess what they Lord has given me. As it is reserved it is guaranteed to me, like money in the bank. The realization of glorification is yet future, but inevitable is one is in the golden chain of Rom 8: foreknew >foreordained >called >justified > glorified.
the chain as you call it has nothing to do with it. However, God's promise is not ever in question. That is not the issue. The issue is man. Man is the weak link in the Covenant. It is man that cannot guarantee his faith. Here is where your whole theory is debunked because you cannot produce the text that guarantees man's faith. Man is a free moral agent. He is free to choose to join with Christ and can just as easily decide to leave Christ as scripture states loud and clear. ONly those with huge blinders on, like you, limit scripture to ONLY God's promise and never get around to man's promise.
YOur citation about Peter's faith does not say that God guaranteed his faith either. Christ prays that His faith fail not. Peter, could just as easily rejected that plea, and fall as did Judas.
False, there are rewards given for good works to Christians ("crowns" -- this is not salvation, but rewards).
the ONLy crown I know of in scripture is the Crown of life which is eternal life with Christ. I would like you to list those rewards. I have heard this before but no one ever comes up with what these rewards might be. Must be another change of meaning to support a false teaching???
You have yet to produce any that man can guarantee his faith.
YOur response.....
I have posted a number of times where the Lord Jesus guarantees a man's faith; e.g., Peter's.
Predestination is a Bible topic. We cannot deny that. We don't have to figure it out to be saved.
Christ did not guarantee Peter's faith either. You need it to say that, but it does not. God cannot force man's will, it would be against His own Sovereign will in that He created man free.
This obviously fits predestination which you also need to exist in your theory but as understood within the Reformed view and any variation just does not exist in scripture. Which is why you cannot make OSAS a scriptural teaching. It flies in the face of God's Sovereign will in making man free. Man is not governed by any decree of God. God did not select some special or certain people to believe and then force them under that decree to remain faithful, thus not able to resist His grace. "All tenets of Calvinism are false and cannot be found in scripture.
In general, God's covenants are generally one-sided; He sets the terms; they are not mutual. Abe was asleep during the ceremony. I know of no obligation to the New Covenant. Look at Jeremiah 31 on the New Covenant & tell me where is the human obligation? The gifts & the calling of God are irrevocable.
ONe sided does not determine the meaning, but that all covenants have at least two parties. In this case it is between God and man. Man either accepts the conditions or rejects them. It is not difficult to understand the principle.
Most of the NT covers the obligations of our mutual covenant with God. YOu have just spent a whole thread denying what scripture teaches, changing the meaning so much that it makes scripture null and void, with the purpose of upholding a view that cannot be found in scripture, OSAS.
this post has 2480 posts. All of the opponents posts have cited text after text that clearly shows that man can lose faith. Man can leave the Body of Christ. That you deny it does not change scripture. Scripture has had ONLY one meaning from the beginning, that meaning has been preserved for 2000 years. Man's latest personal interpretations are not going to change the meaning of scripture, since man has never been able to impose his own interpretations upon scripture for 2000 years.
There are many man made theories out there, you hold to several of them which is your choice, but none of them will ever change scripture. As much as you think you have authority over scripture, you and no man has that authority.
