It Is satanic Heresy to Deny Eternal Security

[homwardbound]

Re: OSS= Once Saved, Saved! & King David

But back to square 1. If one really wants victory over sin in your life, one must trust Christ as Savior; so to obey him and continue in him is to trust Him with one's eternal destiny. Otherwise, expect Romans 1-3 to continue to describe the refuser and his life.
[SUP]
17 [/SUP]Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy;

[SUP]18 [/SUP]That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate;

[SUP]19 [/SUP]Laying up in store for themselves a good foundation against the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life.

Amen, truth remain humble, kind of like Paul said:
[h=3]2 Corinthians 12:7-9[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]7 [/SUP]And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure. [SUP]8 [/SUP]For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me. [SUP]9 [/SUP]And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.



Just please Father show us all this diviseness of dividing that has and does come from the defeated enemy, And show us how to walk in the new life you gave us by son? So we walk not fleshly, rather Spiritually in you, being taught in you Father thank you. seeing this:
Romans 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

 

[homwardbound]

Re: Eternal Security & Incorruptible Seed 1 Peter 1

I take it that Romans 8:1 goes on, referring to Rom 7 and observing:

"There is therefore now no condemnation to them who are in Christ Jesus."

The Christian is not condemned to the carnal state defeat in Rom 7. Therefore (because Jesus Christ our Lord makes a way of deliverance) there is no condemnation to the carnal state. And Rom 8 gives the way of victory by the Holy Spirit.

Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins.

Agreed, and not all are in that part of the growth in God are they? And that is why you are being rejected, and not considered

When an apple is first produced from the tree in and through the branch of the tree is it a perfect apple?
So when one believes, does God accept them, as like an immature apple?
What do we need? Maturity, to grow up into maturity?

Could we those that have matured, become self-righteous like a religious leader, those in Jesus day, were under law, and Christ came and spoke law, in its truth, and they did not see it Spiritually, and rejected Christ. All to God's plan and unpset the enemy, and judged the prince of this world, it is done.

What is not done is: the flesh carnal nature, that only you can destroy in self between God and you. The same for me, the same for all others.

And this is only done by Faith in Son's finished work for each of us. So let each beleive how they want to believe,

[video=youtube;3u9O5N5dGzo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3u9O5N5dGzo[/video]

Think about it, people, before Christ, lived in stress over to not be wrong, and were under stress, and worried
God came and redeemed us in Son, through Son to free us to walk in love to all, and not worry, and just do by Faith love all
really easy
So here is the song that I see as this, no matter what Tom Petty meant, I hear Love from God as in 1 Cor. 13:4-7, and I beleive God to impute this in us if we ask and then we don't have to live like a refugee you think?
Anger leaves, when you do not live like a refugee, and as well taking it for granted also leaves, just trust is left to God only

 

[homwardbound]

Re: Eternal Security Goes Along w/ Salvation by Faith, Not Works

Homeward says:
"as if this free gift is a commandment,"

This is a commandment:

"Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you shall be saved."

Commandment is Law and Law put to flesh, flesh sins, because flesh is weak, and Law is perfect along with Christ the only perfect flesh that ever lived on earth. The only flesh Father was and is ever pleased in

God so loved the world (that he commands) you beleive or else. (Not)
Father and Son ask you to beleive, evidence is presented and by his death we all are made perfect from Christ's finished works alone
[h=3]Colossians 1:22[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]22 [/SUP]in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

Problem left is to receive new life, being first born in this flesh carcass that is destined to die, actually is born dead and in need of new life, Spiritually? The Spirit of God, the same Spirit that led Christ you think?
So since we all have been forgiven and made Holy by Christ's death, how much more do you or anyone think we shall be saved by his resurrected Life?
So are we asking god to show us the difference, bring us to unity and grow us all up?
or are we to shove this amazing love and Mercy down the throats of others? And tell them you need to see what I see or else attitude, and leave the impression of I am better than you all, and you'd better listen to me
Not Love of God to all

Romans 5:10
For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

I believe once saved always saved, by God through Son alone, and not by me so I do this:

1 John 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

Catch that, even as he is pure? Still need to contend for the Faith as to hear from God our teacher unto and into all truth thhat keeps us free, not proudly, or boastfully as look at me OSAS, wow, you all need to get on board attitude is plain wrong to do to others, as if God saved me and not you
Even though i am saved from God in God's sight as well as all the rest that beleive, for God is faithful to carry on the good work God started in us from the very first dayt of belief

True or false?

 

[homwardbound]

Re: The Evidence for Eternal Security Is Overwhelming, Psalm 34

"I sought the LORD, and he answered me,
And delivered me from all my fears.
They looked unto him, and were radiant;
And their faces shall never be confounded."

Look & live.
Look to the Lord Jesus Christ in faith.

That is true, any humility involved? Just asking

 

[homwardbound]

Re: Eternal Security Goes Along w/ Salvation by Faith, Not Works

There is a work involved in salvation you all?
So lets pray for the truth in this and might see?

Which Christ have we each personally accepted?
And you all say what do you mean there is only one Christ?

Yes only one, yet have two been made out of the one and only?

The Christ you, (includes all of us), have accepted into your life, is it the one "You are trying to imitate", and can't quite get there, constantly falling short daily and asking for more forgiveness daily because of this and not wanting to sin?

Or the one that is resurrected alive and by Father's Spirit wants to not only live in you but through you?
"He's alive I tell you alive"
Does a man put his lamp under the lamp stand hidden and people can barely see, or on top of the Lamp stand for all to see
Christ came to give us life more abundantly right? Would that be him to live through us? or for us to just imitate him?

 

[homwardbound]

James 2:17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

So yes contend for the Faith, yes, what Faith in who, self or God alone? it involves self, but it is not of self since Christ did what Christ did for us before anyone of us here were born, truth or error?

 

[homwardbound]

Jude 1:21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.

Another warning to keep steady in your walk with God, striving to do as requested or commanded to receive eternal life..Funny how this matches what our Lord Jesus said to persevere to the end to be saved. Both to me would suggest that the gift of eternal life ( saved ) is not granted tell you pass from life in the flesh to life in the spirit. As in a actual death, or the transformation at the rapture.

If one does not persevere to come to see that it is all God then I think they might not see it, you think? otherwise they say okay and go about their life here and there and not really care, except to appear to care in front of others for the rewazrd of others they can get, such as: things of this world you think?

so do we invite, help, take care of those that can't repay us, and do so without telling others, no need to?
Just something to think on. When I invite others, what is my reasoning, and do I invite those that can't pay me back, and do I expect others to pay me back as if I am the good Son who stayed home and did not go off to the far land and spent my inheritance, being all jealous when the Prodigal Son returned and Daddy has a celebration, for my Brother who went off, and I stayed
Whom is the Prodigal Son now, in his heart?

 

[homwardbound]

[SUP]4 [/SUP]For certain men have crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out for this condemnation, ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God into lewdness and deny the only Lord God[SUP][b][/SUP] and our Lord Jesus Christ.

[SUP]10 [/SUP]But these speak evil of whatever they do not know; and whatever they know naturally, like brute beasts, in these things they corrupt themselves. [SUP]11 [/SUP]Woe to them! For they have gone in the way of Cain, have run greedily in the error of Balaam for profit, and perished in the rebellion of Korah.

Jude is speaking about false prophets infiltrating the church. Men who were condemned before they even stepped foot in the church for prophet.

He is not saying one can lose salvation. He is warning us not to fall for their deception.

Just don't take OSAS for granted, it is not for an excuse to sin, rather the way to be able to freely say no to sin in Spirit and truth of Father, where there is no sin, you think. maybe?

 

[homwardbound]

So how many gospels did Paul say there were?

One?
Two?
Three?

Last I read. Paul said if ANYONE teach a gospel which is different (in type) than what he taught, let them be accursed.

There is one way to heaven, Not many ways.

Only one of the group of people Jesus spoke of were actually saved. Some were far from being saved. Some had a momentary belief in it. Others believed for awhile. But after awhile. As scripture said, A dog returns to his own vomit.

[h=3]Colossians 1:21-23[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]21 [/SUP]And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled [SUP]22 [/SUP]in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: [SUP]23 [/SUP]if ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

Firswt presented to Father as Holy, then if we beleive we get if ask, the new life in Spirit and truth to see, if not and we do beleive Father is faithful to have past tense given you this new life you think?

Romans 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life



That be the resurrected life, yes, truth or error you all? Death has to be first though, right? Now can we reckpon self dead with Christ's death, to might be able to see the new life given to us by Father?
[h=3]Philippians 3:3[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]3 [/SUP]For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

[h=3]Philippians 3:10[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]10 [/SUP]that I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;

[h=3]Philippians 3:11[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]11 [/SUP]if by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.

 

[homwardbound]

I agree. there are differing views.

I disagree in your conclusion.

again. non of them were saved but the one who stayed.

they trusted christ and his promise. are you going to sit there and say one can have complete faith in the promise of christ. lose that faith (even faith of a mustard seed saves) this is not even possible. those people did not have faith. They were like james said. they had mere belief, Beliefe can not sustain someone. It will fade away. because it has no power. [/B][/COLOR]

I bet it was their purpose in to believe, like for a new Job, to get pats on the back, gain a wife a new house and so on and so forth. motive was not to just know their creator? rather to get gain rewards as to what they were doing from others, and walked away when they did not get what they were there for, as it what Human flesh does, period
So maybe seek the new life Christ came to give, that is given by the resurrected Christ from Father in Spirit and truth

 

[homwardbound]

I teach what Jesus said.

You evidently deny what he said. So you do not follow the true word of God.

Originally Posted by Sinnner

I use The Holy Bible, the Word of the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob. The one and true Word of God. You teach to itching ears.

And you both I see are fighting flesh on flesh are you not?
Who am I to decide or anyone else if another does believe or not?

Romans 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man’s servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

 

[homwardbound]

The scriptures do not say the saved persevere, it says you must persevere to be saved.

Luke 7:50 And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.

If you see this verse above, I see no persevering, she showed whole Faith in God and Jesus said what go and persevere your Faith is not whole? Not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There is a saving Faith in God and there is a Faith in self and others that really does not save, yet one gets rewards, and what did Christ say about that? so what will our Faith be in? Christ or mankind's set up to look at me attitudes I am doing this and that and am not like that other over there


[h=3]Luke 18:9-14[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]9 [/SUP]And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others: [SUP]10 [/SUP]Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. [SUP]11 [/SUP]The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. [SUP]12 [/SUP]I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. [SUP]13 [/SUP]And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. [SUP]14 [/SUP]I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

 

[homwardbound]

Jesus did not teach OSAS, he taught you had to persevere to the end to be saved.

persevere how? By faith works of self I must or else? Sounds like I need more sacrifice, not been purged from sin yet?
Hebrews 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.

Sounds to me like our conscience should be purged from sin, by Christ's death, burial, resurrection, ascension, and delivery of the Holy Spirit of Father to teach us all truth that sets us free from error, you think?

 

[homwardbound]

OSAS is satanism. The most prolific satinist of the 20th century was a man named Aliester Crowly. He said "the whole of the law is, "do what thou wilt" referring to satanism. Satan said to Eve in the garden " you will not surely die". You can see the similarities between what satan said to Eve in the garden. He told her, you don't have to do what God has said, you can "do what thou wilt and you will surely not die". OSAS says " hey you got saved once, now you can do what thou wilt and will not surely die". How can your version of Christianity be so simular to satanism yet not be. Do the research. Satanism is based on the premise of being the opposite of Christianity, they even say the Lord's Prayer backwards. Why would anyone follow a so called Christian doctrine (OSAS) that mirrors satanism. It's (OSAS) roots are in satanism and this fact is clear when you do the research and you are not blinded and given over to believe a lie. The world loves OSAS. DO WHAT THOU WILT = OSAS = SATANISM.

Thank you, but that is not my view of OSAS is.
God has saved me, you and all who choose to beleive God and stand in this truth, it is God who starightened and is straightening me, you and all out, that is what whole Faith is. Not a slice of the pie, the whole pie, Christ the Son whom is the propitiation for not only my sin, the whole world's, what we need is to believe God and ask to see this new life in Spirit and truth you think?

 

[homwardbound]

People, it's all based on your faith in the work of the cross. If your faith is firmly planted there, the your eternity is secure. God will not and cannot accept anything else. If your faith is placed in a doctrine that tells you otherwise, then baste yourself and marinade in the fridge for 4 hours. cause you gonna be cooked.

The only thing God will accept is faith in the cross. His ultimate sacrifice.

If you place faith in what you are doing then your toast. you can lose your salvation if you so choose. But, if you are struggling with sin. Do not listen to this false doctrine. You are struggling with sin because your faith has drifted from the cross to self righteousness. Which is exactly what OSAS is.

Return to your knees at the cross and deliverance will come. Guaranteed.

Kerry is there only one view of Osas?
You said you are saved Osas in your post by Christ?

People, it's all based on your faith in the work of the cross. If your faith is firmly planted there, the your eternity is secure

 

[Atwood]

Overcomer = Believer = Eternally Secure

There are great promises of eternal security to the Overcomer;
Overcomer = Believer in the Lord Jesus.
1st let us consider the tragic consequences of unbelief. Is it fear (of sin, of not having self-righteousness) that hinders your trusting Him for your eternal destiny?

'I will never blot his name out of the book of life." "For everyone who has been born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith."

He who overcomes shall inherit these things; "But for the fearful, and unbelieving, and abominable, and murderers, and fornicators, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, their part shall be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone; which is the second death."

Must you insist on continuing not to trust the Lord Jesus with your eternal security? So sad!

THE OVERCOMER = THE BELIEVER

Revelation 3:5
The one who overcomes will be clothed thus in white garments, and I will never blot his name out of the book of life. I will confess his name before my Father… 1 John 5:4-5 For whatsoever is begotten of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith. And who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God? For everyone who has been born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.

And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of the throne saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and
he shall dwell with them, and they shall be his peoples, and
God himself shall be with them, and be their God: and
he shall wipe away every tear from their eyes;
and death shall be no more; neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain, any more: the first things are passed away. And he who sits on the throne said, Behold,
I make all things new. And he says, Write: for these words are faithful and true. And he said to me, They are come to pass.
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end.
I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
He who overcomes shall inherit these things; and
I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

And the Spirit and the bride say, Come.
And he who hears, let him say, Come.
And he who is athirst, let him come;
he who will,
let him take the water of life freely. (at end of Rev)

 

[SeaBass]

Re: Overcomer = Believer = Eternally Secure

There are great promises of eternal security to the Overcomer;
Overcomer = Believer in the Lord Jesus.
1st let us consider the tragic consequences of unbelief. Is it fear (of sin, of not having self-righteousness) that hinders your trusting Him for your eternal destiny?

'I will never blot his name out of the book of life." "For everyone who has been born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith."

He who overcomes shall inherit these things; "But for the fearful, and unbelieving, and abominable, and murderers, and fornicators, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, their part shall be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone; which is the second death."

Must you insist on continuing not to trust the Lord Jesus with your eternal security? So sad!

THE OVERCOMER = THE BELIEVER

Revelation 3:5
The one who overcomes will be clothed thus in white garments, and I will never blot his name out of the book of life. I will confess his name before my Father… 1 John 5:4-5 For whatsoever is begotten of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith. And who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God? For everyone who has been born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.

And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of the throne saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and
he shall dwell with them, and they shall be his peoples, and
God himself shall be with them, and be their God: and
he shall wipe away every tear from their eyes;
and death shall be no more; neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain, any more: the first things are passed away. And he who sits on the throne said, Behold,
I make all things new. And he says, Write: for these words are faithful and true. And he said to me, They are come to pass.
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end.
I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
He who overcomes shall inherit these things; and
I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

And the Spirit and the bride say, Come.
And he who hears, let him say, Come.
And he who is athirst, let him come;
he who will,
let him take the water of life freely. (at end of Rev)

So the Christian that does not overcome, will he inherit all things anyway? be clothed in white raiment anyway? Eat of the tree of life anyway?

 

[Atwood]

OSS: The Lord Jesus Sustains Faith

"Simon, Simon, behold, Satan asked to have you, that he might sift you as wheat: but
I made supplication for thee, that thy faith fail not;
and do thou, when once thou hast turned again, establish thy brethren."

OSS = once saved, saved! We may count upon the Savior, even if it requires that He sustain the Christian's faith.

The Lord Jesus intercedes for His Body Members; they are as His own arms & legs.
It is inconceivable that the Father did not answer this prayer with a Yes for Peter.
Thus Peter's faith did not fail. And the reason why Peter's faith did not fail is that the Lord Jesus thus sustained Peter's faith (so much for free will canards). In reality Peter's faith did fail in a temporary situation over a situational matter. Peter denied the Lord. But Peter's ultimate faith in the Lord Jesus as Peter's Savior did not fail.

Christians often lose faith in some situation over some particular trial in life. But can their faith fail in the Lord Jesus as the one who guarantees their eternal destiny? Do you really think that the Lord Jesus does less for all Christians than He did for Peter? Peter was not a part of Christ's Body, the Church at the time. The Church did not start until Acts 2. But we Christians today are a part of His very body. To lose one of us would mutilate Christ's body with an amputation.

Surely the Lord Jesus does for us as for Peter, consistent with Romans 5 where we are saved by His life and consistent with the fact that the Lord Jesus is our intercessor Advocate with the Father. Our Lord Jesus is not a lazy lawyer who does malpractice, not showing up for hearings.

Peter walked on the water and his faith faltered for that situation; the Lord Jesus grabbed ahold of him and would not let Peter drown. Just so, the Lord Jesus does not let a member of His body drown.

Perhaps this wheat sift story inspired John Bunyan who wrote in Pilgrim's Progress:

Then I saw in my dream that the INTERPRETER took CHRISTIAN by the hand, and led him to a place where a fire was burning against a wall, and one standing by it was always pouring much water on it to quench it; yet the fire burned higher and hotter.

Chr. Then CHRISTIAN asked, "What does this mean?"


Inter. The INTERPRETER answered, "This fire is the work of grace that is worked in the heart; he that pours water upon it to extinguish and put it out, is the devil: but in that you see the fire burn higher and hotter in spite of the water, you shall also see the reason of that." So he took him around to the backside of the wall, where he saw a man with a vessel of oil in his hand, which he also continually threw into the fire, but secretly.


Chr. Then CHRISTIAN asked, "What does this mean?"


Inter. The INTERPRETER answered, "This is
Christ, who continually with the oil of his grace maintains the work already begun in the heart: by the means of which the souls of his people prove gracious still, in spite of what the devil can do.

"And He said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore most gladly I will rather boast in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me." 2 Corinthians 12:9

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And the man you saw standing behind the wall to maintain the fire; this is to teach you, that it is hard for the tempted to see how this work of grace is maintained in the soul."

Can you not trust Him with your eternal destiny?
Can you not trust Him to sustain your faith?
His grace is sufficient for you.

 

[Galatians2-20]

If one must believe in unconditional eternal security to be saved then unconditional eternal security would no longer unconditional. This claim is in complete contradiction with itself.

 

[john832]

If one must believe in unconditional eternal security to be saved then unconditional eternal security would no longer unconditional. This claim is in complete contradiction with itself.

Perfect logic!