Sunday as the Lord's day is one of Satan's greatest deceptions...

[Scuba]

With just about the whole world believing Sunday is the Lord's day there must be dozens of verses that say, Sunday is the Lord's day. But you what, there is not one verse in the entire Bible the says, Sunday is the Lord's day but there are dozens upon dozens of verses that say, the seventh day Sabbath is the Lord's day.

So how did we go from honoring the seventh day as the Lord's day, which was taught and believed for thousands of years, to believing that Sunday is the Lord's day without one verse to support it? DECEPTION!!!!

Satan needs to do away with everything that represents God and he is doing it by distorting the word of God, just like he did in the garden.

So how did he deceive so many people? Well the first thing he had to do is make up a reason for changing the day, which he did. He inspired people to teach and believe that we celebrate Sunday because of Jesus' resurrection. Hmmm! this too is very interesting because there is not one verse in the entire Bible that tells us to do such a thing, and I thought we were suppose to be people of the Bible.

Now pay close attention because I'm about to reveal Satan's ploy. God has given us shadows in the Old Testament that teach us His plan for Jesus. Satan has led God's people to believe the shadows are not important and have no value for us today. Because of this we now believe and teach that Jesus died on Friday and rose on Sunday so now we celebrate Sunday as the Lord's day. This is so far from the truth that it shocks me that God's people would even fall for such a lame deception when it's so easy to prove wrong.

Okay, now lets start. It's going to take a little time to until all the knots and then retie them the right way so be patient.

Jesus gave a prophecy stating that He would be in the tomb three days and three nights.

Matthew 12:40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Friday night to Sunday morning is not three days and three nights. This distorted view of, Jesus dying on Friday and resurrecting on Sunday, came because the people of God have been taught that there is no value in the shadows revealed in the Old Testament. The shadows teach us God's plan for Jesus. If we study the shadows we will gain a clear picture of God's plan.

Jesus had to perfectly fulfill the shadows in order to be the true Messiah. The details of Jesus' crucifixion week are laid out for us in Leviticus 23:5-16.

Leviticus 23:5-7 On the fourteenth day of the first month at twilight is the Lord's Passover. And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the Feast of Unleavened Bread to the Lord; seven days you must eat unleavened bread. On the first day you shall have a sacred assembly, it shall be a sabbath day.

The fourteenth day of the first month is Passover. This is when the lamb was killed for the sins of the people. Jesus is our Passover Lamb so He had to fulfill that by dying for our sin on Passover.

1 Corinthians 5:7 Christ, our Passover Lamb, has been sacrificed for us.

John 1:29 The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!"

According to Leviticus 23:5-7 the very next day following Passover is the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread. The first day of this Feast is a sabbath because, no customary work was to be done on that day. This is very important to see because during the week of Jesus' crucifixion there were two Sabbaths. The first sabbath was on the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, which came right after Passover. The second Sabbath was the seventh day Sabbath. Listen closely and you will see two Sabbaths during the week of Jesus' crucifixion.

Here is the first sabbath. Notice how after this Sabbath was past Mary bought the spices.

Mark 16:1 When the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.

Now notice how they prepared the spices they bought after the sabbath ended then they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.

Luke 23:56 They returned, and prepared the spices and ointments; and rested the Sabbath day according to the commandment.

The Sabbath that was past was the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread and the Sabbath that they rested on, according to the commandment, was the seventh day Sabbath. The first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread was called a high Sabbath because it only came once a year. The seventh day Sabbath is not called a high Sabbath.

John 19:31 The Jews, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the Sabbath day, (for that Sabbath day was a high day).

Mary bought the spices on Friday following the high sabbath. She bought and prepared the spices on Friday and then rested on the seventh day Sabbath, which began at sunset on Friday.

Here is how the week of Jesus' crucifixion went.

Remember, a biblical day goes from sunset to sunset, not midnight to midnight like we do today.

Wednesday day = Passover (Jesus dies and is placed in the tomb) 1st day.
Wednesday at sunset = Thursday night (High Sabbath begins) 1st night.
Thursday at sunrise = Still High Sabbath. 2nd day.
Thursday at sunset = Friday night (High Sabbath ends) 2nd night.
Friday at sunrise = Normal workday so Mary buys the spices and prepares them. 3rd day.
Friday at sunset = Saturday night (seventh day Sabbath begins) 3rd night.
Saturday at sunrise = Still the seventh day Sabbath. Jesus is already gone.

John 20:1 Early in the morning of the first Sabbath, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene came to the tomb and saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb. (Jesus is already gone)

It's not possible for a Friday crucifixion according to God's timeline and plan.

Lets look at this a little closer. Follow along and see the time line of events during the week of Jesus' crucifixion. Listen.

According to Leviticus 23:5 the Passover began on the fourteenth day of the first month at twilight, this is when Jesus gave the bread and the wine as the Lord's supper. According to the time line, this was Tuesday at twilight or dusk. Judas betrays Jesus Tuesday night. We know it was at night because they came with torches to arrest Jesus. Wednesday, Jesus is tried and crucified and is placed in the tomb Wednesday at dusk (just before sunset), which makes it the the first day in the tomb. Sunset starts the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread. This day was the high sabbath. The high sabbath began Wednesday at sunset and ended Friday morning at sunrise which makes Friday a normal work day. Mary sets out to buy the spices and then prepares them but now the seventh day Sabbath is upon her. She rested on the Sabbath, which is Saturday the seventh day. She goes to the tomb Sabbath morning and Jesus is gone because it was the third day.

Luke 24:46 Then Jesus said to them, "Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day.

Mary went to the tomb just after sunrise on the third day to find Jesus was already gone. This was Sabbath morning, not Sunday morning. Listen.

Mark 16:2 Very early on the first (day of the week), just after sunrise, they were on their way to the tomb.

These four words, "day of the week" is the Strong's number (G4521) and is actually one word in the Greek and it's the word, Sabbath.

(G4521) sabbaton (sab'-bat-on) n.
1. the Sabbath (i.e. Shabbath)
2. the seventh day of each week was a sacred festival on which the Israelites were required to abstain from all work
3. the institution of the sabbath, the law for keeping holy every seventh day of the week
4. a single sabbath, sabbath day
5. seven days, week

No matter how you look at it, the words (day of the week) are not in the original language, they were added years later. The only word that is there is the word, Sabbath.

The verse should read like this. "Very early in the morning on the first Sabbath". Why was it called the first Sabbath? Because they were counting the Sabbaths that followed the high sabbath. According to Leviticus they had to count seven Sabbaths. I added the words, high sabbath, to the verse to help identify which sabbath Leviticus is referring to. Listen.

Leviticus 23:15-16 And you shall count for yourselves from the day after the high Sabbath,...seven Sabbaths shall be completed. Count fifty days to the day after the seventh Sabbath.

This is why it was on the first Sabbath that Mary came to the tomb, not the first day of the week.

The Bible uses the term, new moon, to determine the change of months and it uses the seventh day Sabbath to determine the change of weeks. In one month there are four Sabbaths or four weeks. Numbering the seventh day Sabbaths to determine which week it was is not unusual. Listen to Luke in how he describes the second week of the month as the second Sabbath.​

Luke 6:1-2 Now it happened on the second Sabbath after the first that He went through the grain fields. And His disciples plucked the heads of grain and ate them, rubbing them in their hands. And some of the Pharisees said to them, “Why are you doing what is not lawful to do on the Sabbath?”

On the second Sabbath after the first just means it was the second week of the month. Paul also uses the same principle of numbering the Sabbaths to determine the week. Keep in mind how the words, (day of the week) are not there in the original language. The verse should read like this, "On the first Sabbath let each of you lay something aside so that there be no collections when I come". Listen.

1 Corinthians 16:2 On the first {Sabbath} (not) day of the week let each one of you lay something aside, storing up as he may prosper, that there be no collections when I come.

Paul was telling them to take up a collection on the first Sabbath of that particular month because that's the time frame in which Paul would be passing through that area. If Paul was planning on passing through on the second week he could have worded like Luke did by saying, "On the second Sabbath after the first let each of you lay something aside so that there be no collections when I come".

There are times when the Strong's number (G4521) is translated (week).

Luke 18:12 I fast twice a week (G4521); I give tithes of all that I possess.

Understanding this helps us to understand Matthew 28:1. Listen.

Matthew 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

Now lets break this verse down so it doesn't conflict with the rest of God's word.

Matthew 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, (G4521 week) as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, (G4521 week) came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

The verse should read like this.

Matthew 28:1 In the end of the week, as it began to dawn toward the first Sabbath, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

So you see, Jesus didn't die on Friday and rise on Sunday so Sunday is not the Lord's day nor does the Bible even say it is. Let us come out of Babylon and become a people of the Bible.

 

[LT]

30% of what you said is absolutely true. 30% is subjective, and unverifiable. 30% is just not true.
10% I didn't understand, and you'll need to rephrase.


But... the "first Sabbath" is not a possible interpretation.
The first day of the week is the only probable interpretation, in the context and common usage for the time and in the writers own usage.

 

[Scuba]

30% of what you said is absolutely true. 30% is subjective, and unverifiable. 30% is just not true.
10% I didn't understand, and you'll need to rephrase.


But... the "first Sabbath" is not a possible interpretation.
The first day of the week is the only probable interpretation, in the context and common usage for the time and in the writers own usage.

When did Mary buy the spice? Before the Sabbath or after the Sabbath?

 

[GodIsSalvation]

Sigh, another Sabbath topic?

There's only one question that needs be asked or answered in regards to the Sabbath.

That is; Was the Sabbath made for man or was man made for the Sabbath?

Jesus answers this questions with the simplest of ease and supreme logic;

Mark 2:27-28

[SUP]27 [/SUP]And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
[SUP]28 [/SUP]Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

 

[Scuba]

Sigh, another Sabbath topic?

There's only one question that needs be asked or answered in regards to the Sabbath.

That is; Was the Sabbath made for man or was man made for the Sabbath?

Jesus answers this questions with the simplest of ease and supreme logic;

Mark 2:27-28

[SUP]27 [/SUP]And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
[SUP]28 [/SUP]Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

One more comment, man is not spelled, J-E-W.

 

[VCO]

With just about the whole world believing Sunday is the Lord's day there must be dozens of verses that say, Sunday is the Lord's day. But you what, there is not one verse in the entire Bible the says, Sunday is the Lord's day but there are dozens upon dozens of verses that say, the seventh day Sabbath is the Lord's day.

So how did we go from honoring the seventh day as the Lord's day, which was taught and believed for thousands of years, to believing that Sunday is the Lord's day without one verse to support it? DECEPTION!!!!

Satan needs to do away with everything that represents God and he is doing it by distorting the word of God, just like he did in the garden.

So how did he deceive so many people? Well the first thing he had to do is make up a reason for changing the day, which he did. He inspired people to teach and believe that we celebrate Sunday because of Jesus' resurrection. Hmmm! this too is very interesting because there is not one verse in the entire Bible that tells us to do such a thing, and I thought we were suppose to be people of the Bible.

Now pay close attention because I'm about to reveal Satan's ploy. God has given us shadows in the Old Testament that teach us His plan for Jesus. Satan has led God's people to believe the shadows are not important and have no value for us today. Because of this we now believe and teach that Jesus died on Friday and rose on Sunday so now we celebrate Sunday as the Lord's day. This is so far from the truth that it shocks me that God's people would even fall for such a lame deception when it's so easy to prove wrong.

Okay, now lets start. It's going to take a little time to until all the knots and then retie them the right way so be patient.

Jesus gave a prophecy stating that He would be in the tomb three days and three nights.

Matthew 12:40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Friday night to Sunday morning is not three days and three nights. This distorted view of, Jesus dying on Friday and resurrecting on Sunday, came because the people of God have been taught that there is no value in the shadows revealed in the Old Testament. The shadows teach us God's plan for Jesus. If we study the shadows we will gain a clear picture of God's plan.

Jesus had to perfectly fulfill the shadows in order to be the true Messiah. The details of Jesus' crucifixion week are laid out for us in Leviticus 23:5-16.

Leviticus 23:5-7 On the fourteenth day of the first month at twilight is the Lord's Passover. And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the Feast of Unleavened Bread to the Lord; seven days you must eat unleavened bread. On the first day you shall have a sacred assembly, it shall be a sabbath day.

The fourteenth day of the first month is Passover. This is when the lamb was killed for the sins of the people. Jesus is our Passover Lamb so He had to fulfill that by dying for our sin on Passover.

1 Corinthians 5:7 Christ, our Passover Lamb, has been sacrificed for us.

John 1:29 The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!"

According to Leviticus 23:5-7 the very next day following Passover is the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread. The first day of this Feast is a sabbath because, no customary work was to be done on that day. This is very important to see because during the week of Jesus' crucifixion there were two Sabbaths. The first sabbath was on the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, which came right after Passover. The second Sabbath was the seventh day Sabbath. Listen closely and you will see two Sabbaths during the week of Jesus' crucifixion.

Here is the first sabbath. Notice how after this Sabbath was past Mary bought the spices.

Mark 16:1 When the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.

Now notice how they prepared the spices they bought after the sabbath ended then they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.

Luke 23:56 They returned, and prepared the spices and ointments; and rested the Sabbath day according to the commandment.

The Sabbath that was past was the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread and the Sabbath that they rested on, according to the commandment, was the seventh day Sabbath. The first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread was called a high Sabbath because it only came once a year. The seventh day Sabbath is not called a high Sabbath.

John 19:31 The Jews, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the Sabbath day, (for that Sabbath day was a high day).

Mary bought the spices on Friday following the high sabbath. She bought and prepared the spices on Friday and then rested on the seventh day Sabbath, which began at sunset on Friday.

Here is how the week of Jesus' crucifixion went.

Remember, a biblical day goes from sunset to sunset, not midnight to midnight like we do today.

Wednesday day = Passover (Jesus dies and is placed in the tomb) 1st day.
Wednesday at sunset = Thursday night (High Sabbath begins) 1st night.
Thursday at sunrise = Still High Sabbath. 2nd day.
Thursday at sunset = Friday night (High Sabbath ends) 2nd night.
Friday at sunrise = Normal workday so Mary buys the spices and prepares them. 3rd day.
Friday at sunset = Saturday night (seventh day Sabbath begins) 3rd night.
Saturday at sunrise = Still the seventh day Sabbath. Jesus is already gone.

John 20:1 Early in the morning of the first Sabbath, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene came to the tomb and saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb. (Jesus is already gone)

It's not possible for a Friday crucifixion according to God's timeline and plan.

Lets look at this a little closer. Follow along and see the time line of events during the week of Jesus' crucifixion. Listen.

According to Leviticus 23:5 the Passover began on the fourteenth day of the first month at twilight, this is when Jesus gave the bread and the wine as the Lord's supper. According to the time line, this was Tuesday at twilight or dusk. Judas betrays Jesus Tuesday night. We know it was at night because they came with torches to arrest Jesus. Wednesday, Jesus is tried and crucified and is placed in the tomb Wednesday at dusk (just before sunset), which makes it the the first day in the tomb. Sunset starts the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread. This day was the high sabbath. The high sabbath began Wednesday at sunset and ended Friday morning at sunrise which makes Friday a normal work day. Mary sets out to buy the spices and then prepares them but now the seventh day Sabbath is upon her. She rested on the Sabbath, which is Saturday the seventh day. She goes to the tomb Sabbath morning and Jesus is gone because it was the third day.

Luke 24:46 Then Jesus said to them, "Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day.

Mary went to the tomb just after sunrise on the third day to find Jesus was already gone. This was Sabbath morning, not Sunday morning. Listen.

Mark 16:2 Very early on the first (day of the week), just after sunrise, they were on their way to the tomb.

These four words, "day of the week" is the Strong's number (G4521) and is actually one word in the Greek and it's the word, Sabbath.

(G4521) sabbaton (sab'-bat-on) n.
1. the Sabbath (i.e. Shabbath)
2. the seventh day of each week was a sacred festival on which the Israelites were required to abstain from all work
3. the institution of the sabbath, the law for keeping holy every seventh day of the week
4. a single sabbath, sabbath day
5. seven days, week

No matter how you look at it, the words (day of the week) are not in the original language, they were added years later. The only word that is there is the word, Sabbath.

The verse should read like this. "Very early in the morning on the first Sabbath". Why was it called the first Sabbath? Because they were counting the Sabbaths that followed the high sabbath. According to Leviticus they had to count seven Sabbaths. I added the words, high sabbath, to the verse to help identify which sabbath Leviticus is referring to. Listen.

Leviticus 23:15-16 And you shall count for yourselves from the day after the high Sabbath,...seven Sabbaths shall be completed. Count fifty days to the day after the seventh Sabbath.

This is why it was on the first Sabbath that Mary came to the tomb, not the first day of the week.

The Bible uses the term, new moon, to determine the change of months and it uses the seventh day Sabbath to determine the change of weeks. In one month there are four Sabbaths or four weeks. Numbering the seventh day Sabbaths to determine which week it was is not unusual. Listen to Luke in how he describes the second week of the month as the second Sabbath.​

Luke 6:1-2 Now it happened on the second Sabbath after the first that He went through the grain fields. And His disciples plucked the heads of grain and ate them, rubbing them in their hands. And some of the Pharisees said to them, “Why are you doing what is not lawful to do on the Sabbath?”

On the second Sabbath after the first just means it was the second week of the month. Paul also uses the same principle of numbering the Sabbaths to determine the week. Keep in mind how the words, (day of the week) are not there in the original language. The verse should read like this, "On the first Sabbath let each of you lay something aside so that there be no collections when I come". Listen.

1 Corinthians 16:2 On the first {Sabbath} (not) day of the week let each one of you lay something aside, storing up as he may prosper, that there be no collections when I come.

Paul was telling them to take up a collection on the first Sabbath of that particular month because that's the time frame in which Paul would be passing through that area. If Paul was planning on passing through on the second week he could have worded like Luke did by saying, "On the second Sabbath after the first let each of you lay something aside so that there be no collections when I come".

There are times when the Strong's number (G4521) is translated (week).

Luke 18:12 I fast twice a week (G4521); I give tithes of all that I possess.

Understanding this helps us to understand Matthew 28:1. Listen.

Matthew 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

Now lets break this verse down so it doesn't conflict with the rest of God's word.

Matthew 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, (G4521 week) as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, (G4521 week) came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

The verse should read like this.

Matthew 28:1 In the end of the week, as it began to dawn toward the first Sabbath, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

So you see, Jesus didn't die on Friday and rise on Sunday so Sunday is not the Lord's day nor does the Bible even say it is. Let us come out of Babylon and become a people of the Bible.

Scuba, you have been down too deep, too long, or read too many of Ellen White's books that are full of misinformation.

I will keep this brief, many because I really do not want to debate this subject. Sabbath is the Seventh Day of the week and always has been and always will be. The First Day of the week on a Jewish Calendar has always been Sunday, and always will be. In the Jewish way of thinking the First Day of the week begins at sundown late Saturday afternoon.

No Christian that personally know thinks the Sabbath was changed to Sunday, but Ellen White sure thought we did. It is called the Lord's Day, in reference to the Day he rose from the Grave. We celebrate HIS resurrection every time we worship, therefore, that is the biggest reason Sunday was chosen.

Your thinking on what is High Sabbath, is flawed too. Check this Calendar out: YAHWEH's 2014 Feast Days Calendar - YAHWEH's Sword and here is more info: High Sabbaths - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

1 Corinthians 16:2 (YLT)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] on every first day of the week, let each one of you lay by him, treasuring up whatever he may have prospered, that when I may come then collections may not be made;

I am sure if you research it some more, you will find the High Sabbath the year Jesus died was Friday. He was Crucified on the Day of Preparation, which would have been Thursday. The same rules about the Weekly Sabbath, applied to the High Sabbath, the Seventh day of Passover. Therefore He had to be off the cross and in the tomb before sundown Thursday, in our way of thinking. Obviously they barely made it, as they did not have time to rap the body with spices as was the custom. That is what the women were doing bright and early on Sunday morning. They were coming to finish what they did not have time to do before sundown Thursday.

No, I do not want to continue the debate. You can do the research or believe what you want.

 

[VCO]

This will have clear up the misinformation you are presenting: ZLM Video: “First Fruits — The Resurrection”

 

[Scuba]

Scuba, you have been down too deep, too long, or read too many of Ellen White's books that are full of misinformation.

I will keep this brief, many because I really do not want to debate this subject. Sabbath is the Seventh Day of the week and always has been and always will be. The First Day of the week on a Jewish Calendar has always been Sunday, and always will be. In the Jewish way of thinking the First Day of the week begins at sundown late Saturday afternoon.

No Christian that personally know thinks the Sabbath was changed to Sunday, but Ellen White sure thought we did. It is called the Lord's Day, in reference to the Day he rose from the Grave. We celebrate HIS resurrection every time we worship, therefore, that is the biggest reason Sunday was chosen.

Your thinking on what is High Sabbath, is flawed too. Check this Calendar out: YAHWEH's 2014 Feast Days Calendar - YAHWEH's Sword and here is more info: High Sabbaths - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

1 Corinthians 16:2 (YLT)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] on every first day of the week, let each one of you lay by him, treasuring up whatever he may have prospered, that when I may come then collections may not be made;

I am sure if you research it some more, you will find the High Sabbath the year Jesus died was Friday. He was Crucified on the Day of Preparation, which would have been Thursday. The same rules about the Weekly Sabbath, applied to the High Sabbath, the Seventh day of Passover. Therefore He had to be off the cross and in the tomb before sundown Thursday, in our way of thinking. Obviously they barely made it, as they did not have time to rap the body with spices as was the custom. That is what the women were doing bright and early on Sunday morning. They were coming to finish what they did not have time to do before sundown Thursday.

No, I do not want to continue the debate. You can do the research or believe what you want.

First of all I don't appreciate being associated with EGW in a negative way just because I'm preaching truth. The truth about the seventh day Sabbath did not come through the SDA, it came through a Baptist minister who shared the Sabbath true to the Adventist Church which later became the Seventh Day Adventist because of the Sabbath truth.

Now let me help you come out of Babylon.

The Bible says that Mary bought the spices to anoint Jesus' body after the Sabbath, she then prepared them and then had to stop in order rest on the approaching Sabbath according to the commandment. Which Sabbath did Mary have to wait to end before she could buy the spices and which Sabbath did Mary have to rest on according to the commandment?

Also, Jesus is dead so why all the fuss about the Sabbath and obeying it according to the commandment? Didn't Jesus' death do away with the Sabbath and the commandments?

 

[Kaycie]

You said that John 20:1 says "John 20:1 Early in the morning of the first Sabbath, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene came to the tomb and saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb." But no translation I saw said "Sabbath" but they all said "First day of the week" instead where you put the word "Sabbath." And I just don't get it- you even said their days were not like our days. They went from sundown to sundown. Therefore, by your own admission, our way of looking at Thursday night would actually be the beginning of Friday. So in our view there' Thursday night, Friday night, Saturday night, and of course Friday morning, Saturday morning, and Sunday morning- walah 3 nights and three days. Sunday is the Lord's day for New Testament Christians. Under the Old Testament / Old Covenant / Law of Moses Saturday WAS the Lord's Day because under THAT covenant they did physically what we now do spiritually. The Sabbath Day (Saturday / Last day of the week) was to celebrate a finished creation. Sunday (The first day of the week) is to celebrate a finished redemption. We are no longer under the old covenant which includes the Sabbath Day or the laws of Moses. Romans 7:1-4 shows us that. We belong to Christ and are only to listen to Him says God the Father Himself. We are no longer to listen to the law or the prophets (though we can learn our history). Do you remember in Luke chapter 9 when Moses and Elijah appeared with Jesus? a cloud covered Moses and Elijah leaving only Christ to be seen and God said THIS (not plural) in My Son (not plural) listen to Him! (not plural). Also in Matthew 28 Jesus says ALL authority in heaven and earth has been given to Me. If Jesus has ALL authority, that would leave none for anyone else- including Moses, or Elijah. You say you can't find Lord's Day in the New Testament, try looking up "First Day of the Week"- when we are to assemble together, give as we've been prospered, take of the Lord's supper, sing praises to God, and hear a reading from God's word.

 

[Scuba]

You said that John 20:1 says "John 20:1 Early in the morning of the first Sabbath, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene came to the tomb and saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb." But no translation I saw said "Sabbath" but they all said "First day of the week" instead where you put the word "Sabbath." And I just don't get it- you even said their days were not like our days. They went from sundown to sundown. Therefore, by your own admission, our way of looking at Thursday night would actually be the beginning of Friday. So in our view there' Thursday night, Friday night, Saturday night, and of course Friday morning, Saturday morning, and Sunday morning- walah 3 nights and three days. Sunday is the Lord's day for New Testament Christians. Under the Old Testament / Old Covenant / Law of Moses Saturday WAS the Lord's Day because under THAT covenant they did physically what we now do spiritually. The Sabbath Day (Saturday / Last day of the week) was to celebrate a finished creation. Sunday (The first day of the week) is to celebrate a finished redemption. We are no longer under the old covenant which includes the Sabbath Day or the laws of Moses. Romans 7:1-4 shows us that. We belong to Christ and are only to listen to Him says God the Father Himself. We are no longer to listen to the law or the prophets (though we can learn our history). Do you remember in Luke chapter 9 when Moses and Elijah appeared with Jesus? a cloud covered Moses and Elijah leaving only Christ to be seen and God said THIS (not plural) in My Son (not plural) listen to Him! (not plural). Also in Matthew 28 Jesus says ALL authority in heaven and earth has been given to Me. If Jesus has ALL authority, that would leave none for anyone else- including Moses, or Elijah. You say you can't find Lord's Day in the New Testament, try looking up "First Day of the Week"- when we are to assemble together, give as we've been prospered, take of the Lord's supper, sing praises to God, and hear a reading from God's word.

Read John 20:1 in the original language and you will find three words used for one word. The three words used for one word are the words, "Day of the week" these three words is one word in the original language and the one word is sabbaton. Go here to see... BLB - Jhn 20: Gospel of John 20 (Blue Letter Bible: KJV - King James Version)

When you get there click on G4521 and see what the word sabbaton means.

 

[Kaycie]

It still says as I say- the sabbath/saturday began to turn into sunday morning- the first day of the week... This is what it said where you sent me...In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first dayof the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

 

[RedTent]

I don't think God is going to listen to all of this haggling, or care if we name Saturday or Sunday. God looks at our hearts. I hope God looks as my heart and sees that I just want to follow His ways as close as possible and in Genesis God said it was on the last day of the week so I like that best.

I think God sees our hearts as away from Him if we say that anything He told Israel is not for them, they stay away from anything God told them. Or those who say that anything that the people He chose to lead us was all wrong in anything they do, so they just want to do whatever is different. I don't think God calls that kind of hard hearted people great in the kingdom of heaven, even if they go to God for salvation.

Paul said that if someone is convinced that Sunday is what God wants from them as a Sabbath, it is fine.

 

[RedTent]

It still says as I say- the sabbath/saturday began to turn into sunday morning- the first day of the week... This is what it said where you sent me...In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first dayoftheweek, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

It has always seemed strange to me that the time it was discovered God was gone was counted as the time he left. Doesn't say at all that they saw Jesus go.

 

[Kaycie]

Whether anyone seen Him go or not, Jesus doesn't lie, He told them before He died how long He'd be in there. I'll take His word for it.

 

[Kaycie]

You say " I just want to follow His ways as close as possible"- that's what I am doing. His ways are truth, and if I see something that don't match the truth in the bible i feel it's my job to say so. I know to others it may look like arguing, but my intentions are pure. I respect every one here and I'm glad they care enough about God to even be here in the first place. Christians should be able to discuss scripture with each other if they are doing it with the right attitude- which I am. I told my friend I thought this one actor looked like the guy who played in a different movie, she showed me online that it wasn't, and I was like oh I thought it was but you are right. And neither of us had our feelings hurt- it's just a discussion. I wish peace to all who participate in this site.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

One more comment, man is not spelled, J-E-W.

Indeed it is that j-e-w is not spelled like m-a-n, but don't be deceived, the Jews be men indeed. However this is a pointless point.

Jesus says clearly to us that the sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath. Therefore what matter does it make if you do good for God on the day He gave to you to rest or on a day you are working?

Though speaking of Jews, if we read this story in full seems there was a certain sect of Jews that in their fallen logic made themselves slaves to the Sabbath and criticized those true Israelites that followed after the Messiah. Jesus rebukes them awesomely and settles a debate that is quite frankly, so dull and pointless I am surprised it has gone on for 2000+ years just on that basis much less the fact the Son of God who gave the Sabbath to Man settles this boring debate.

Mark 2:23-28

[SUP]23 [/SUP]And it came to pass, that he went through the corn fields on the sabbath day; and his disciples began, as they went, to pluck the ears of corn.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]And the Pharisees said unto him, Behold, why do they on the sabbath day that which is not lawful?
[SUP]25 [/SUP]And he said unto them, Have ye never read what David did, when he had need, and was an hungred, he, and they that were with him?
[SUP]26 [/SUP]How he went into the house of God in the days of Abiathar the high priest, and did eat the shewbread, which is not lawful to eat but for the priests, and gave also to them which were with him?
[SUP]27 [/SUP]And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
[SUP]28 [/SUP]Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

 

[phil112]

30% of what you said is absolutely true. 30% is subjective, and unverifiable. 30% is just not true.
10% I didn't understand, and you'll need to rephrase.....................

You mean you actually read that long tedious post?

First of all I don't appreciate being associated with EGW in a negative way just because I'm preaching truth........................................

You have been shown truth repeatedly. What ever it is you are preaching isn't truth.

 

[VCO]

. . .
Didn't Jesus' death do away with the Sabbath and the commandments?

May I suggest you get your theology for the Scriptures:

Matthew 5:17-18 (ESV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] For truly, I say to you,until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.

Romans 3:20 (ESV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin.

Psalm 32:5 (HCSB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Then I acknowledged my sin to You and did not conceal my iniquity. I said, “I will confess my transgressions to the LORD,” and You took away the guilt of my sin. Selah

1 John 1:9 (HCSB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.


The purpose for the law (Rom. 3:20), has always been the same, and will remain until the universe and earth pass away.

 

[oldernotwiser]

the sabbath? i'm considering becoming a second day adventist. we will worship on monday because we can rent cheap spaces in churches.

 

[Hashe]

People are confusing the sabbath with the lord's day.
They are different.
The Lord's day is the day Jesus rose. Sunday, in Greek, it is 'the lord's day'.
The sabbath is saturday, in Greek, saturday is 'sabbath'.
Christians gather to celebrate Jesus' rising on the Lord's day - this has nothing to do with the Sabbath.
Jews gather together on the Sabbath.