Sunday as the Lord's day...

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With the majority of the world honoring Sunday as the Lord's there must be dozens of verses to support this belief.

Can anyone here show me just one verse that says Sunday is Lord's day or that the seventh day Sabbath was changed to Sunday, first day? Just one!

You will not find one because there are none. What a powerful testimony of Sunday observance being a doctrine and tradition of man.

Matthew 15:3 He answered and said to them, “Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition?

Matthew 15:9 And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ”

Mark 7:7 And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’


Now lets see what the Bible says about the seventh day being the Lord's day.


Leviticus 23:3 You have six days each week for your ordinary work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath day of complete rest, an official day for sacred assembly. It is the Lord's Sabbath day, and it must be observed wherever you live.

Exodus 20:1 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God.

Deuteronomy 5:14 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God.


Jesus is even called, Lord of the Sabbath, which makes the seventh day Sabbath the Lord's day.

Mark 2:28 Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath.”
Jesus didn't have tell us which day was the Sabbath nor did He have to command anyone to honor it because they already were.

Did the Apostles change the day to Sunday? No they did not. Paul gather every Sabbath years after the resurrection of Jesus. At one point the Gentiles begged Paul to teach them again the next Sabbath. Again, keep in mind that this was years after the resurrection of Jesus.

Acts 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.

The next Sabbath almost the whole city gathered together in sacred assembly to hear the word of God.

Acts 13:44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.

If the seventh day was changed to the first day this would have been a perfect opportunity for Paul to say something, but he didn't. Why wait a whole week to teach the Gentiles again? If Sunday was the new day for sacred assembly Paul could have just told the Gentiles to come back the next day, which would have been Sunday? But he didn't. Also, notice how the Gentiles called the seventh day, the Sabbath. Remember, this was years after Jesus' resurrection.

Acts 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.

The Gentiles must of went out witnessing and inviting people to Sabbath fellowship because the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.

Acts 13:44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.

The fact that all these Gentiles were gathering on the Sabbath day, to hear the word of God, made the Jews mad.

Acts 13:44-45 On the next Sabbath day, almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God. When the Jews saw the multitues, they became very jealous and began to say evil things against what Paul was saying.

Why would the Jews get mad at the fact the Gentiles were gathering on the Sabbath? Probably because they refused to accept the fact that the Sabbath was made for all mankind, not just the Jews.

Mark 2:27 Jesus said to them, “The Sabbath was made for mankind".

Paul gathered in sacred assembly with the church at Corinth every Sabbath for a year and a half before leaving for his next journey. That alone is 78 Sabbaths and again keep in mind how this was years after Jesus' resurrection.

Acts 18:4 And Paul reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.

Acts 18:11 And Paul continued there a year and six months, teaching the word of God among them.


Jesus gave a prophecy of the destruction of Jerusalem, which was to take place forty years after His resurrection, and He was still confirming the Sabbath. Listen.

Matthew 24:19-21 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath. For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Prior to Paul's conversion he would, on every Sabbath, go from one synagogue after another pulling early believers out of their assembly to beat them and imprison them.

Acts 9:2 and asked him for letters to the synagogues in Damascus, so that if he found any there who belonged to the Way, whether men or women, he might take them as prisoners to Jerusalem.

Acts 22:19 And I said, ‘Lord, they themselves know that in one synagogue after another I imprisoned and beat those who believed in you.

The followers of Jesus even kept the Sabbath after Jesus died.

Luke 23:56 Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.

If Jesus did away with the Sabbath or changed it to another day His followers surely would have known this. Honoring the seventh day Sabbath is even mentioned as being part of the new heavens and the new earth.

Isaiah 66:22-23 “For as the new heavens and the new earth which I will make shall remain before Me,” says the Lord, “So shall your descendants and your name remain. And it shall come to pass that from one New Moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, all flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.

Now show me where the Bible says Sunday is the Lord's day.
 
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When I and my pastor had this discussion, he was outraged that I should question his church about choosing Sunday to worship. He gave the usual, listing days bible talks of meetings on Sunday, that Christ's empty grave was discovered on Sunday. I pointed out the discovery was not proof of the time Christ left, and meetings were not Sabbath. Next time we met, he said he was amazed, I was right!!

That there is a question in Christians minds today when there was no questions about it not very long ago is an indication that the church of the Lord (the real church not the organized one) has come a long, long way in learning to follow scripture not traditions. God is working in our world in a powerful way. The world is becoming more wicked, with media, governments, and customs powerfully pulling us away from God. But the remnant is growing more powerful and closer to scripture.
 
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Show wher you faith is. In a day, or the cross of Christ. Romans 14.
 
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When I and my pastor had this discussion, he was outraged that I should question his church about choosing Sunday to worship. He gave the usual, listing days bible talks of meetings on Sunday, that Christ's empty grave was discovered on Sunday. I pointed out the discovery was not proof of the time Christ left, and meetings were not Sabbath. Next time we met, he said he was amazed, I was right!!

That there is a question in Christians minds today when there was no questions about it not very long ago is an indication that the church of the Lord (the real church not the organized one) has come a long, long way in learning to follow scripture not traditions. God is working in our world in a powerful way. The world is becoming more wicked, with media, governments, and customs powerfully pulling us away from God. But the remnant is growing more powerful and closer to scripture.
I don't believe this is God's world. The Bible clearly says Satan is the god of this world. One day this world will once again be God's domain and we, as God's people, will inherit the earth. This is why Jesus told us to pray that God's will would be done on earth as it is in heaven. That means God's will is not being done right now on earth as it is in heaven. The fact that this world is not God's domain when we honor the things of God we will be persecuted. Now I'm saying we will be persecute for being religious. Keeping the seventh day holy, in this day and age, is like wearing an American flag in Iraq. You will stick out and be persecuted because of the flag, the same goes for the things of God.
 
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Show wher you faith is. In a day, or the cross of Christ. Romans 14.
Do you really think obedience to the commandments of God is a rejection of the cross? I believe it shows appreciation for the cross. If you get stopped by the police and he gives you a warning for speeding does that make you speed more or does it cause you to appreciate the gift and drive the speed limit. Does the gift now remove the speed limit sign?
 
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Acts 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

The verb 'came together" is passive voice meaning the disciples did not choose for themselves to come together on Sunday but were passively brought together by a choice made outside of themselves, ie, it was God's choice to bring His disciples together on Sunday. This is a binding example for disciples today.
 
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the exposing is afoot!

the 'seekers of Truth' are questioning
the 'traditions of men'.

the history lessons are plain, they have been
stated HERE, over and over!
and can certainly be verified through a variety
of sources.

even so, black and white can be blurred into
'shades of gray'.

BUT, 'if' the heart is willing, God WILL open the eyes,
and the remnant will hear!

.....Isaiah 6:11-13.
Then I said, "Lord how long?"
And He answered:
Until the cities are laid waste and without inhabitant,
the houses are without a man, the land is utterly desolate,

The Lord has removed men far away, and the forsaken places
are many in the midst of the land.

But yet a tenth will be in it, and will return and be for consuming,
as a terbinth tree or as an oak, whose stump remains when it is cut down.
So the Holy Seed shall be its stump.

and Jesus said, 'were there not (10) lepers here?'
but, where are the (nine)?'
 
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Do you really think obedience to the commandments of God is a rejection of the cross? I believe it shows appreciation for the cross. If you get stopped by the police and he gives you a warning for speeding does that make you speed more or does it cause you to appreciate the gift and drive the speed limit. Does the gift now remove the speed limit sign?
Yes, because faith in Commandments nullifies the work of the cross. Commandments please the flesh. It say's look what I do and not what Jesus did. The commandments did what, expose our sin, condemned us of sin.

The cross set's us free. amen
 

p_rehbein

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QUOTE FROM SCUBA:

Can anyone here show me just one verse that says Sunday is Lord's day or that the seventh day Sabbath was changed to Sunday, first day? Just one!

You will not find one because there are none. What a powerful testimony of Sunday observance being a doctrine and tradition of man.

END QUOTE............

Problem with this kind of statement is, one usually ends up with egg all over their face..........then denies whatever Scripture is given so as to not look foolish.........

My suggestion?

To keep such as this from happening........try studying Scripture a wee bit more before making such a drastic statement.

:)

Yes..........there is one

No............I will not quote it for you.......find it yourself.........
 

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on Saturday:

This is the day the LORD has made; let us rejoice and be glad in it.
(Psalm 118:24)

on Sunday:

This is the day the LORD has made; let us rejoice and be glad in it.
(Psalm 118:24)

on Monday:

This is the day the LORD has made; let us rejoice and be glad in it.
(Psalm 118:24)

on Tuesday:

This is the day the LORD has made; let us rejoice and be glad in it.
(Psalm 118:24)

. . . .

get the picture?

Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink,
or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath.

(Colossians 2:16)
 

notuptome

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With the majority of the world honoring Sunday as the Lord's there must be dozens of verses to support this belief.

Can anyone here show me just one verse that says Sunday is Lord's day or that the seventh day Sabbath was changed to Sunday, first day? Just one!

You will not find one because there are none. What a powerful testimony of Sunday observance being a doctrine and tradition of man.

Now show me where the Bible says Sunday is the Lord's day.
Care to comment on Acts 20:7??

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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....Now show me where the Bible says Sunday is the Lord's day.
The great and terrible day might very well be on a Sunday. We shall see....
 
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Care to comment on Acts 20:7??

For the cause of Christ
Roger
This passage teaches that we are to come together to break bread but not until after listening to sermons until after midnight. Unfortunately, it does not say Sunday is the Lord's day but we can always assume that because someone dared to fall asleep during sermon and he's got to pay for it.
 
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[ QUOTE=posthuman;1589106]on Saturday:

This is the day the LORD has made; let us rejoice and be glad in it.
(Psalm 118:24)

on Sunday:

This is the day the LORD has made; let us rejoice and be glad in it.
(Psalm 118:24)

on Monday:

This is the day the LORD has made; let us rejoice and be glad in it.
(Psalm 118:24)

on Tuesday:

This is the day the LORD has made; let us rejoice and be glad in it.
(Psalm 118:24)

. . . .

get the picture?

Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink,
or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath.

(Colossians 2:16)
[/QUOTE]

So what you're saying is that God did not create the 7th day as a blessed, sanctified and holy day? And you're also saying that Jesus didn't say he was lord of the Sabbath. The word, "THE" referring to Jesus being Lord of "THE" Sabbath testifies of a literal day that Jesus calls the Sabbath of which he is Lord of. Are you saying that this is all not true?
 
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I don't believe this is God's world. The Bible clearly says Satan is the god of this world. One day this world will once again be God's domain and we, as God's people, will inherit the earth. This is why Jesus told us to pray that God's will would be done on earth as it is in heaven. That means God's will is not being done right now on earth as it is in heaven. The fact that this world is not God's domain when we honor the things of God we will be persecuted. Now I'm saying we will be persecute for being religious. Keeping the seventh day holy, in this day and age, is like wearing an American flag in Iraq. You will stick out and be persecuted because of the flag, the same goes for the things of God.
[/QUOTE] I think this is such an apt observation, I want to underline and have it repeated to be sure lots of Christians read it.

It might look like the worldly side is winning, but we know who will win in the end. I would rather die for Christ than have a few years here with Satan.

That word "world" is so interesting to follow in scripture. God created it and it was good, yet following the world leads to death. It makes you want to know the original language instead of having to read scripture through translations.
 

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So what you're saying is that God did not create the 7th day as a blessed, sanctified and holy day? And you're also saying that Jesus didn't say he was lord of the Sabbath. The word, "THE" referring to Jesus being Lord of "THE" Sabbath testifies of a literal day that Jesus calls the Sabbath of which he is Lord of. Are you saying that this is all not true?

no, what i'm saying is this:

Since therefore it remains for some to enter it, and those who formerly received the good news failed to enter because of disobedience, again he appoints a certain day, “Today,” saying through David so long afterward, in the words already quoted,
“Today, if you hear his voice,
do not harden your hearts.”
For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken of another day later on. So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God, for whoever has entered God’s rest has also rested from his works as God did from his.

(Hebrews 4:6-10)

what was a shadow is now made complete in Christ.

and what i'm saying is this:

Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord.
(Romans 14:6)

if i regard every day as belonging to the Lord, does it offend you that i seek to enter His rest on 6 days that you do not?

so what i am saying is this:

Who are you to judge someone else's servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall.
And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand.

(Romans 14:4)


 

notuptome

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This passage teaches that we are to come together to break bread but not until after listening to sermons until after midnight. Unfortunately, it does not say Sunday is the Lord's day but we can always assume that because someone dared to fall asleep during sermon and he's got to pay for it.
Historically Christians met on the first day of the week because they were not permitted to meet in the temple courtyard on the Sabbath. The Jews denied them access so they met on the first day of the week which we know as Sunday. Sunday also being the day our Lord rose from the tomb.

Your exegesis of Acts 20:7 is very creative and necessary to deny the obvious truth that the Apostles and disciples met on the first day of the week. This practice began early in church history.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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no, what i'm saying is this:

Since therefore it remains for some to enter it, and those who formerly received the good news failed to enter because of disobedience, again he appoints a certain day, “Today,” saying through David so long afterward, in the words already quoted,
“Today, if you hear his voice,
do not harden your hearts.”
For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken of another day later on. So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God, for whoever has entered God’s rest has also rested from his works as God did from his.

(Hebrews 4:6-10)

what was a shadow is now made complete in Christ.

and what i'm saying is this:

Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord.
(Romans 14:6)

if i regard every day as belonging to the Lord, does it offend you that i seek to enter His rest on 6 days that you do not?

so what i am saying is this:

Who are you to judge someone else's servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall.
And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand.

(Romans 14:4)
Hebrews 4:1 God’s promise of entering his rest still stands, so we ought to tremble with fear that some of you might fail to experience it.

So what you're saying is that if the people in Joshua's day enter into rest, through belief in the Gospel, they would not have to honor the seventh day?

This is where people go astray because God is not saying that here, people are reading it into the verses because that's what they have been taught to do.

The rest that God is speaking about is the coming kingdom of God, which has been a finished work in the plan of God from before the foundation of the world. We, who believe God, believe the promises of God in that they are a sure thing. We can find rest in the promise of God in that the coming kingdom will in fact happen. This is the Gospel that they received and we receive. If we believe the Gospel it gives us rest in the assurance of the fact that God's promises are surer and true. His promise is just as sure as the seventh day of creation. God finished creation and capped it with the seventh and till this very day we still have a seven day week. Just as sure as that, the coming kingdom is just as sure so believe the Gospel and enter into God's rest. The seventh day Sabbath is used by God for many things other than just a memorial of creation. He uses as a sign of the old covenant. He uses it as a means to set His people apart from the world. He uses it as a reminder of when Israel was in slavery and couldn't take time off from work to worship God. He uses as a sign of the guarantee of the coming kingdom. He uses as a time for the sacred assembly of His people. Which he protected with His Law so that unbelieving bosses would be held accountable for refusing to give you the day off to gather in sacred assembly to worship as a family of God. This is what Pharaoh did to Israel when they were in slavery. Your boss can make you work six days a week and still not be sinning but he can't make you work on Sabbath without being held accountable to God.
 
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][/QUOTE] I think this is such an apt observation, I want to underline and have it repeated to be sure lots of Christians read it.

It might look like the worldly side is winning, but we know who will win in the end. I would rather die for Christ than have a few years here with Satan.

That word "world" is so interesting to follow in scripture. God created it and it was good, yet following the world leads to death. It makes you want to know the original language instead of having to read scripture through translations.
I'm not following you here.......and don't want to misjudge what you are saying so............Are you saying that IF I choose to worship the Lord on Sunday I am part of this "worldly side" spending a "few years here with satan?"
 
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no, what i'm saying is this:

Since therefore it remains for some to enter it, and those who formerly received the good news failed to enter because of disobedience, again he appoints a certain day, “Today,” saying through David so long afterward, in the words already quoted,
“Today, if you hear his voice,
do not harden your hearts.”
For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken of another day later on. So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God, for whoever has entered God’s rest has also rested from his works as God did from his.

(Hebrews 4:6-10)

what was a shadow is now made complete in Christ.

and what i'm saying is this:

Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord.
(Romans 14:6)

if i regard every day as belonging to the Lord, does it offend you that i seek to enter His rest on 6 days that you do not?

so what i am saying is this:

Who are you to judge someone else's servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall.
And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand.

(Romans 14:4)



But God says the sabbath is the sign and seal showing those obedient to him.

Doing whatever day you WANT
is not doing what GOD wants

is it?


God specificlaly tells us 800 times what day he wants
and then if you do what YOU want that isnt follwowing the word of God is it?