The Law is GOOD! When it's used lawfully...

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john832

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PS. 119:142 Your righteousness is and everlasting righteousness, and You Law is Truth.
If I may add...

Psa 119:172 My tongue shall speak of Your word, For all Your commandments are righteousness. - NKJV
 
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If I may add...

Psa 119:172 My tongue shall speak of Your word, For all Your commandments are righteousness. - NKJV
By all means add away...:)
 

KohenMatt

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Law breakers have a major problem. Heavenly peace would be ruined with them in heaven

they are not going at all.
Actually, they'll be there.

Matthew 5:19
"Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven."


 

john832

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Actually, they'll be there.

Matthew 5:19
"Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven."


No, what this is saying is that those who are there in the Kingdom will call those who are lawbreakers least. Here is the result of law breaking...

Mal 4:1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
Mal 4:2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.
Mal 4:3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.

Those who are burned up will be called least by those in the Kingdom.
 

KohenMatt

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No, what this is saying is that those who are there in the Kingdom will call those who are lawbreakers least. Here is the result of law breaking...

Mal 4:1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
Mal 4:2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.
Mal 4:3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.

Those who are burned up will be called least by those in the Kingdom.
You and I would disagree then.
 
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No, what this is saying is that those who are there in the Kingdom will call those who are lawbreakers least. Here is the result of law breaking...

Mal 4:1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
Mal 4:2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.
Mal 4:3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.

Those who are burned up will be called least by those in the Kingdom.
I believe those who are least in the kingdom are saved because they have received redemption through the blood of Christ. Our standing in the kingdom comes after redemption. These who are least in the kingdom are teaching the ways of God but they don't have all the truth or a complete understanding. For example, the Sabbath. Many people are saved but they don't know the seventh day is Saturday. They believe Sunday is the seventh day. They are saved and obeying God to the best of what they understand about God and are teaching others to do the same thing because that's what they've been taught and that's all they know. They will be least in the kingdom for lack of knowledge of the truth but they will be in the kingdom because of the blood of Christ.

Matthew 5:17-19“Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
 
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oldthennew

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Each one of us will receive his own reward according to his own labor.

1Cor. 3:10.....
But each one take heed how he builds on it.
For no other foundation can anyone lay than that
which is laid, which is Christ Jesus.
12.
Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold,
silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw,..
13.
Each one's work will become clear;
for the day will declare it, because it will be revealed
by fire; and the fire will test each one's work of what
sort it is.
14.
If anyone's work which he has built on it endures,
he will receive a reward.
15.
If anyone's work is burned, he will suffer loss;
but he himself will be saved,
yet so as through fire.

if we produce works on the bottom of the ladder,
where do we stand?
(compare the value of hay to gold).

we don't want to be put through this particular fire,
we want to please our Lord with good works,
good attitude with enthusiasm and zeal.

'for not the hearers of the Law shall be justified,
but the doers.'...
 
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oldthennew

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scuba,

we certainly know that LOVE can be corrupted,
but if we attain to the standards in 1Cor. 13.,
'that corruption would not come without one
earth-shaking Spiritual battle!!!
 
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scuba,

we certainly know that LOVE can be corrupted,
but if we attain to the standards in 1Cor. 13.,
'that corruption would not come without one
earth-shaking Spiritual battle!!!
I believe love is a neutral force that needs to be defined by God, controlled by God and freely allowed by us.
 
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oldthennew

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I believe love is a neutral force that needs to be defined by God, controlled by God and freely allowed by us.
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Shalom, Scuba,

may God The Father, and Jesus Christ dwell in your thoughts continually.

some definitions of God's Love, other than defined in 1Cor.13. are,
John 15:13.
Greater love has no man than this, than to lay down ones life for his friends.

1John 5:3.
For this is the Love of God, that we keep His Commandments.
And His Commandments are not grievous.

also Romans 5:5, says that,
And hope maketh not ashamed: because the Love of God is
poured out in out in our hearts by The Holy Spirit which is given
unto us.

you believe that 'love' is a 'neutral-force'.

we believe that God's Love is a dynamic, forceful, and powerful,
Holy Gift.
it is controlled by God and allowed by God and given to us
upon receiving The Holy Spirit, for our stewardship,
and as it was given to us, we are to distribute it
abundantly and graciously and freely.