It Is satanic Heresy to Deny Eternal Security

[Atwood]

Lots of ink

Can you cite the scriptures that would establish these points?

The proof is clear & convincing unless you have blind eyes & a hard heart.

Your denial proves nothing.

The only proof needed is that on eternal security, not your assumptions and philosophical hangups. And if you want to make claims about how your philosophies disprove scripture, the work is yours. If you make a claim, then you are the one to prove, or retract if you cannot.

Thou shalt call His name Jesus,
for He shall save His people from their sins.

I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish.

nd of Rom 8:
And we know that to them that love God all things work together for good, even to them that are called according to his purpose. For whom
he foreknew,
he also foreordained to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren: and whom
he foreordained, them
he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom
he justified, them
he also glorified.

31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who isagainst us? 3He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not also with him freely give us all things? Who shall lay anything to the charge of God’s elect? It is God that justifieth; who is he that condemneth? It is Christ Jesus that died, yea rather, that was raised from the dead, who is at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or anguish, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? Even as it is written,
For thy sake we are killed all the day long;
We were accounted as sheep for the slaughter.

Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[Kerry]

No it does not. It is a promise that believers' names will NEVER be blotted out. "can be" is nowhere but in your imagination/

Then why would Jesus say that He would not blot out if it was impossible to be blotted out? It's like buy a double fat cheeseburger and a large fry and Diet coke it makes no sense.

 

[Kerry]

What was Paul referencing to when he said backsliders. Was that a white castle that slid down to the back of the grill?

 

[Stephen63]

Indeed, how will we escape? When will you trust the Lord Jesus as Savior instead of as "chance-giver"? The salvation is great; It is to the uttermost. Christ is the author & finisher of our faith. He guarantees it:

I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish.

That is some great salvation.

So, that's all yer gonna do, say something off the wall & ignore a really good commentary? Is that what you've been doing to the others? I'se thinks I smells a troll.

 

[Atwood]

So, that's all yer gonna do, say something off the wall

Scripture is not "off-the-wall."

MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN!

Indeed, how will we escape? When will you trust the Lord Jesus as Savior instead of as "chance-giver"? The salvation is great; It is to the uttermost. Christ is the author & finisher of our faith. He guarantees it:

I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish.

That is some great salvation.

I hope I don't hear an oink from anyone!

 

[Stephen63]

 

[Kerry]

Stephen, no he is not a troll. He is seeking an answer. This OSAS is not working as always. In the prisons and rehabs they all say the same thing. I thought I was saved, why did God do this to me? I believed and I still believe, but I got caught up in this thing and I pray day and night for God to deliver me, but to no avail. I'm tired of praying, it don't work anyway. That preacher is just lying to me, saying well read more and pray more and fast.

Then here I come, the bible man. Man I don't want to here a word you say, it's all a lie. Or it's not for me, I tried and failed. And the church put me out.

That's what they call me the bible man. I tell them that the focus of their faith was derailed by the flesh in some shape form or fashion. Some is law, some is Sabbath, some is forty day's of purpose, some is a Daniel fast. But never once has it been the cross.

Because the cross is the only thing that works. Some but not all, accept what I tell them and return to the cross and are set free from their bondage. Be it crack cocaine, alcohol, pornography, cheating, homosexuality, you name it. But there are some who curse me to my face and refuse even though they have received a new name in glory and been baptized.

 

[Atwood]

What was Paul referencing to when he said backsliders. Was that a white castle that slid down to the back of the grill?

If you have a verse on the topic of salvation and want to disgust it, please post it.

Be careful what you post, I'm on a diet.

What was Paul referring to when he said,


1 Thes 5 end:
"And the God of peace himself sanctify you wholly; and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved entire, without blame at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. Faithful is He Who calls you, Who will also do it.

Col 3
When Christ, who is our life, shall be manifested, then shall ye also with him be manifested in glory.

2 Thes 2:16
Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God our Father who loved us and gave us eternal comfort and good hope through grace, comfort your hearts and establish them in every good work and word.

End of Rom 8:
And we know that to them that love God all things work together for good, even to them that are called according to his purpose. For whom
he foreknew,
he also foreordained to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren: and whom
he foreordained, them
he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom
he justified, them
he also glorified.

31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who is against us? 3He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not also with him freely give us all things? Who shall lay anything to the charge of God’s elect? It is God that justifieth; who is he that condemneth? It is Christ Jesus that died, yea rather, that was raised from the dead, who is at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or anguish, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? Even as it is written,
For thy sake we are killed all the day long;
We were accounted as sheep for the slaughter.

Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy begat us again unto a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, unto an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, who by the power of God are guarded through faith unto a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

2 thes 2:16-17 Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God our Father who loved us and gave us eternal comfort and good hope through grace, comfort your hearts and establish them in every good work and word.

Rm 6:23b
the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

2 Corinthians 1:22
And who has also put his seal on us and given us his Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.
Romans 11:29
For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.


Philippians 1:6
And I am sure of this, that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ.

Ephesians 2:8
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,

Romans 11:6
But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works; otherwise grace would no longer be grace.

Romans 8:34
Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died—more than that, who was raised—who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us.

Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Philippians 3:20-21
But our citizenship is in heaven, and from it we await a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, who will transform our lowly body to be like his glorious body, by the power that enables him even to subject all things to himself.

Ephesians 1:13
In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,

Colossians 1:13
He has delivered us from the domain of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of his beloved Son

Romans 8:32
He who did not spare his own Son but gave him up for us all, how will he not also with him graciously give us all things?

Romans 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus

Ephesians 1
Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, To the saints who are in Ephesus, and are faithful in Christ Jesus: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus

Ephesians 1:11
In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will,

 

[Atwood]

This OSAS is not working as always. In the prisons and rehabs they all say the same thing.

As a drug counselor with experience working with men on parole and probation, I testify that they do not all say the same thing. But what "they say" proves nothing. And doing religious exercises is not what the Bible says is the cure. I don't know any place where "fasting" is commanded to the Church.

There are all kinds of churches. When you trust Christ as Savior, the Spirit puts you permanently IN, in the Body of Christ, the universal church. It sounds to me like you have been associated with some fanatics who deny that Christ is the Savior, relegating him to "chance-giver," but at the same time they pretend to be sooper spiritual miracle workers.

Kerry, out of a lot of what looks like confusion to me, I note one thing that you say which sounds true: "Because the cross is the only thing that works."

I have been crucified with Christ, and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me, and the life which I live in the flesh, I live by faith in the Son of God who loved me and gave Himself for me. I do not make void the grace of God, for if righteousness is by the law, then Christ died in vain. (See end of Gal 2.)

Now a key element is to start by trusting Christ as Savior, not as "chance-giver." It is no wonder if you have a lot of experience with those who claim Christ as their "chance-giver," denying that He is the Savior. Of course religious exercises in that context cannot be expected to work.

 

[Atwood]

Then why would Jesus say that He would not blot out if it was impossible to be blotted out? It's like buy a double fat cheeseburger and a large fry and Diet coke it makes no sense.

What makes no sense about the Lord Jesus assuring the believer that he will not be blotted out? Suppose tonight the Lord Jesus appeared to you and said to you,

"Kerry, Kerry, you are worried about many things. But let me assure you my beloved, that I will never blot you out of my book! I have given you eternal life and you shall never perish. You are safe in my arms. If you need correcting, I will see to that, but you will evermore be part of my family."

Would you ponder, "Now why did he tell me that?"

But realize that he has told you that already in His written word, He has told you that such will be yours if only you trust Him as Savior -- give up the "chance-giver" nonsense.

Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins.

 

[Cassian]

The proof is clear & convincing unless you have blind eyes & a hard heart.

Your denial proves nothing.

The only proof needed is that on eternal security, not your assumptions and philosophical hangups. And if you want to make claims about how your philosophies disprove scripture, the work is yours. If you make a claim, then you are the one to prove, or retract if you cannot.

Thou shalt call His name Jesus,
for He shall save His people from their sins.

I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish.

nd of Rom 8:
And we know that to them that love God all things work together for good, even to them that are called according to his purpose. For whom
he foreknew,
he also foreordained to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren: and whom
he foreordained, them
he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom
he justified, them
he also glorified.

31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who isagainst us? 3He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not also with him freely give us all things? Who shall lay anything to the charge of God’s elect? It is God that justifieth; who is he that condemneth? It is Christ Jesus that died, yea rather, that was raised from the dead, who is at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or anguish, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? Even as it is written,
For thy sake we are killed all the day long;
We were accounted as sheep for the slaughter.

Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

My personal denial means nothing. Scripture denies OSAS. Historical fact has already confirmed that OSAS has never been a teaching of scripture from the beginning. It can very easily be shown to have originated as a tenet of a theological system with Calvin, notwithstanding your contrary.
YOu cannot state it as fact when it is simply a man's self imposed opinion, his own developed system of theology 1500 years after the Gospel was given.
The fact is that OSAS is based on, is a tenet of, the doctrine of predestination as developed by Calvin. It has been nuanced by many subsequent reformed theologians, but nothing has so changed it that the doctrine of predestination is not the foundation of Calvinism.
That one can deny Calvinism but then turn around and say that OSAS exists outside of Calvinism in scripture is absurd.
YOu are correct that proof is needed in order to establish eternal security. How come after this far in this post, no evidence has yet been produced for it? The ONLY thing you are proving is the perversion of scripture with a false teaching.
I don't need to prove anything since it has been proven for me for 500 years already. That you want to deny historical facts as well as theological facts of scripture is surely your choice, as many other men have done the same, but that does not change what scripture has always meant.

 

[Atwood]

My personal denial means nothing. .

Exactly.

Thou shalt call His name Jesus,
for He shall save His people from their sins.

I give them eternal life, & they shall never perish.

 

[Atwood]

Eternal Security: Testimony of Paul

TIM 4:18

"The Lord will rescue me from every evil deed and bring me safely into his heavenly kingdom. To him be the glory forever and ever. Amen."


cf., Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins.

 

[mailmandan]

What do you do with this verse?
"Being made perfect he became the source of ETERNAL LIFE for all who OBEY him" Hebrews 5:9

In Romans 10:16, we read: *But they have not all OBEYED the gospel. For Isaiah says, "Lord, who has BELIEVED our report?" We can clearly see that we OBEY the gospel by choosing to BELIEVE the gospel. Refusing to OBEY the gospel (2 Thessalonians 1:8) is refusing to BELIEVE the gospel (Romans 1:16). So which acts of obedience is salvation a consequence of? Is obedience a consequence of salvation? Who obeys Him? The saved or the lost? Only believers have obeyed Him by choosing to believe the gospel (Romans 1:16) in order to become saved, and only believers can obey Him after they have been saved through faith by keeping His commandments and practicing righteousness. (1 John 2:3; 3:10). In either sense, believers obey Him.

By refusing to believe the gospel, unbelievers have not obeyed Him (Romans 10:16). Without faith, it is impossible to please God (Hebrews 11:1), so unbelievers do not obey Him no matter how much so called obedience that they attempt to self righteously conjure up through the flesh. Seeking to obtain salvation by works is not obeying Him. Many people simply "obey their brand of religion," not Him. In either sense, unbelievers (no matter how religious they think they are, the pharisees for example) do not obey Him.

 

[newbirth]

In Romans 10:16, we read: *But they have not all OBEYED the gospel. For Isaiah says, "Lord, who has BELIEVED our report?" We can clearly see that we OBEY the gospel by choosing to BELIEVE the gospel. Refusing to OBEY the gospel (2 Thessalonians 1:8) is refusing to BELIEVE the gospel (Romans 1:16). So which acts of obedience is salvation a consequence of? Is obedience a consequence of salvation? Who obeys Him? The saved or the lost? Only believers have obeyed Him by choosing to believe the gospel (Romans 1:16) in order to become saved, and only believers can obey Him after they have been saved through faith by keeping His commandments and practicing righteousness. (1 John 2:3; 3:10). In either sense, believers obey Him.

By refusing to believe the gospel, unbelievers have not obeyed Him (Romans 10:16). Without faith, it is impossible to please God (Hebrews 11:1), so unbelievers do not obey Him no matter how much so called obedience that they attempt to self righteously conjure up through the flesh. Seeking to obtain salvation by works is not obeying Him. Many people simply "obey their brand of religion," not Him. In either sense, unbelievers (no matter how religious they think they are, the pharisees for example) do not obey Him.

How do you explain to one who is already saved.To obey Christ without works...But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
or Dearly beloved, I beseech you as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul; or
But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof. or
Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;

you think you have obeyed.....
Titus 1:16
They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

you think you have obeyed.....
Titus 1:16
They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

so lets see.

they professed they know God (in other words they claim to have faith), but in their deeds, they deny him.

is it not funny how paul here is saying the same exact thing james said.

they claim to have faith, but have no works. Can faith save them.

well of course not. They are liars, decievers, they have never been saved, they can claim it all they want, profess it all they want, it means nothing, they are empty words. their faith is DEAD! (non existant)

 

[Atwood]

If U Think Born-Again Christians Shrink-Back, U Need a Shrink!

"knowing that you have for yourselves a better possession and an abiding one."

To "abide" is to stay put or remain; like "Abide in that chair."


"But we are not of them that shrink back to perdition; but of them that have faith to the saving of the soul." - Heb 10

Thou shalt call His name Jesus,
for He shall save His people from their sin.

I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish.

 

[Atwood]

OBEY the gospel

Yea verily. How about obeying the gospel right now!

Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you shall be saved.

Trust Him now as Savior instead of as chance-giver.

 

[Atwood]

In Romans 10:16, we read: *But they have not all OBEYED the gospel. For Isaiah says, "Lord, who has BELIEVED our report?" We can clearly see that we OBEY the gospel by choosing to BELIEVE the gospel. Refusing to OBEY the gospel (2 Thessalonians 1:8) is refusing to BELIEVE the gospel (Romans 1:16). So which acts of obedience is salvation a consequence of? Is obedience a consequence of salvation? Who obeys Him? The saved or the lost? Only believers have obeyed Him by choosing to believe the gospel (Romans 1:16) in order to become saved, and only believers can obey Him after they have been saved through faith by keeping His commandments and practicing righteousness. (1 John 2:3; 3:10). In either sense, believers obey Him.

By refusing to believe the gospel, unbelievers have not obeyed Him (Romans 10:16). Without faith, it is impossible to please God (Hebrews 11:1), so unbelievers do not obey Him no matter how much so called obedience that they attempt to self righteously conjure up through the flesh. Seeking to obtain salvation by works is not obeying Him. Many people simply "obey their brand of religion," not Him. In either sense, unbelievers (no matter how religious they think they are, the pharisees for example) do not obey Him.

Aaaa, what's a little depravity?
A little poison of asps under the tongue?
A tad of "none doeth good"?
A smidgeon of self-righteousness?
Whatcha got against ye olde filthy rags?
Why should anyone care who has a good stock of asbestos underwear?

 

[Cassian]

Exactly.

Thou shalt call His name Jesus,
for He shall save His people from their sins.

I give them eternal life, & they shall never perish.

and your citeing these texts which are irrelevant to the topic mean nothing. The Gospel was given 2000 years agao. OSAS was not part of that Gospel. Historically we also know that Calvin developed a system based on predestination which had a tenet that became known as OSAS 1500 years after the Gospel was given.
Those are historical facts which all the citations in the world will never prove OSAS is scriptural as scripture was given but only in the system of predestination which is not scriptural. It is and has been a man made imposed theory upon scripture.