No trust in Creation...no trust in Genesis....no trust in Scriptures...

[Percepi]

First of all, even if creationism wasn't supported by science, it would still NOT (like evolution) be a religion.

If evolution is a religion, so is the theory of gravity or germ theory.

Secondly, evolution is a theory that people apply science to just like creationism is a theory that people apply science to. You are right that neither is a religion.

This is proof that you don't understand what a scientific theory is.

Creationism is an observation of reality.

Creationism is not supported by evidence. It is assumed to be true because the Bible is assumed to be true.

Science actually requires study.

You have this idea that people sit down, look at fossils, and ponder "hmm, I wonder what makes sense. Let's just plug in whatever sounds right and call it science!" That's not how science works. That's not how the theory of evolution works.

And Percepi's perspective here that evolution is equitable to atheism is false.

I never said that.

So the apologetical attack on atheistic morality, while a completely valid argument, needs to be restricted to atheism and not bleed over to evolution unless an atheist asserts evolutionary theory as a reason to reject Creator God's normative morality. Then the atheist's false assertion can, of course, be rebutted.

Read: Atheism Doesn't Lead to Immoral Behavior or Poor Ethics - Or Does It?

Irrelevant.

 

[crossnote]

It's damn disturbing to me when Christians say that the world is around 6,000 years old.

Among other things, such statements are easy pickings for atheists who are hell bent on making Christians look foolish.

So compromise truth to look respectable amongst the enemies of God's Word?

 

[Tintin]

Percepi, you come from a different belief system, but even you can't be so foolish as to believe that "Science actually requires study" is the answer. Many disciplines require study, especially reading the Bible and digging deeper into it. And biblical creation scientists absolutely do their study, they just work from a bias that the Bible is God-breathed and the ultimate authority of truth because of it.

 

[StoneThrower]

Creationism is not supported by evidence.

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HELLO have you looked around lately? Even Darwin said the eye was to complex to evolve.
Do you like the term Intelligent Design any better? I don't as its a soft pedal.
You have complex systems of systems functioning down to the DNA level operating in and on top of.
To think such advanced mechanical complexities just happened over time is absurd.
Do you really believe that, or just hate the idea of a God that you would need to submit to?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It's damn disturbing to me when Christians say that the world is around 6,000 years old.

Among other things, such statements are easy pickings for atheists who are hell bent on making Christians look foolish.

thats fine. God says his truth will make the wisdom of the world foolish.

I trust God at what he says..

as for your comment, 6000 year earth is NOT going to give them ammo. They don;t want to believe anyway, Saying the earth is billions of years old is not going to help them either.

so would you not rather have truth in Gods wisdom, than man's wisdom, which is contrary to truth?

 

[JackH]

So compromise truth to look respectable amongst the enemies of God's Word?

A statement that the world is around 6,000 years old is not truth, in my opinion. It is wishful thinking on your part, and that of the others on this thread who have said it.

Genesis 1 was communicated by God to Moses in such a way as to make sense to every generation and every sort of audience. That is exactly why the language is not more precise. The aim of Genesis 1 is to present one absolute truth – God created the heavens and the earth.

You can not determine when the world was created from Genesis 1.

To attempt to do so and make statements like the world is around 6,000 years old does far more harm than good, in my opinion.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

A statement that the world is around 6,000 years old is not truth, in my opinion. It is wishful thinking on your part, and that of the others on this thread who have said it.

Genesis 1 was communicated by God to Moses in such a way as to make sense to every generation and every sort of audience. That is exactly why the language is not more precise. The aim of Genesis 1 is to present one absolute truth – God created the heavens and the earth.

You can not determine when the world was created from Genesis 1.

To attempt to do so and make statements like the world is around 6,000 years old does far more harm than good, in my opinion.

Saying it is older does more harm than good in my opinion. It gives them fuel, and reason to say evolution is true, And gives them pride in thinking their science is correct (makes them smarter than they really are) which enables them to continue in their unbelief.,

Genesis says specificially he created certain things in one day, And rested on the seventh. And declaired the seventh day the sabbath of rest for mankind (proving God considered it a 7 day creation)

God created the world with age, he had to in order for his created beings to be able to live on it.

So what appears to be aged, is actually new. How else do you think God could create the universe and place a living creature on it, all within 7 days.

Unless you think God is incapable of doing this. and if you do. Then what kind of God is he?

 

[JackH]

Saying it is older does more harm than good in my opinion. It gives them fuel, and reason to say evolution is true

So you say the world is 6,000 years old, not because of the preponderance of the evidence (which indicates the world is much older) but so you can say evolution thus must not be true.

 

[Tintin]

So you say the world is 6,000 years old, not because of the preponderance of the evidence (which indicates the world is much older) but so you can say evolution thus must not be true.

Are you also a poor listener or something? Me thinks you don't listen to anything but your own thoughts. People have given reasons for their beliefs. You just put your fingers in your ears and go, "la, la, la".

 

[eternally-gratefull]

So you say the world is 6,000 years old, not because of the preponderance of the evidence (which indicates the world is much older) but so you can say evolution thus must not be true.

what evidence? Evidence that is flawed? Were you there at creation to know how everything worked. and how everything decayed so you can trust your so called science?

There is no proof. Only speculation.

As for evolution. I can not believe in scripture and evolution. the two are at odds. I must chose one.

 

[JackH]

as for your comment, 6000 year earth is NOT going to give them ammo. They don;t want to believe anyway, Saying the earth is billions of years old is not going to help them either.

There are people in this world other than Christians and atheists.

There are young people, for example college students, who are still formulating their own personal "Philosophy of God" and such.

What do you suppose most of these sorts of people think about the statement that the world is 6,000 years old?

Those are the people who are being harmed, in my opinion.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

There are people in this world other than Christians and atheists.

There are young people, for example college students, who are still formulating their own personal "Philosophy of God" and such.

What do you suppose most of these sorts of people think about the statement that the world is 6,000 years old?

Those are the people who are being harmed, in my opinion.

yeah they are being harmed.

By people saying the earth is billions of years old. And man was not created, but evolved from a lesser specie. And all the things they see happened by chance. there is no God.

And by the so called people who call themselves christians who also give in to this crap.

 

[JackH]

By people saying the earth is billions of years old. And man was not created, but evolved from a lesser specie. And all the things they see happened by chance. there is no God.

I said the earth is billions of years old, in my opinion. I did not say, nor do I personally believe, the rest of what you said above.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I said the earth is billions of years old, in my opinion. I did not say, nor do I personally believe, the rest of what you said above.

well that is more than enough to lead them astray, and play into the hands of godless scientists who want to lead them away from God.

 

[JackH]

Are you also a poor listener or something? Me thinks you don't listen to anything but your own thoughts. People have given reasons for their beliefs. You just put your fingers in your ears and go, "la, la, la".

That is exactly how I view what you have to say, like the world is around 6,000 years old.

It does not matter to you what or how much evidence is presented to the contrary, does it?

You will still say the world is 6,000 years old, right?

But if some Greek manuscript was discovered tomorrow that was a virtually complete letter to the Ephesians and it could be dated by "experts" to the time of Paul, you would jump right on the bandwagon for that one, right?

 

[1still_waters]

If you've been saved for a while, and you reject it, it does seem contradictory. How can you reject the creation account of the same God you claim to be trusting for your salvation? The same Bible that tells of your Savior rising from the dead has a creation being made in six days.

The Bible is full of things that seem impossible. A talking snake, a talking donkey, a man living despite being swallowed by a big fish/whale, Jesus doing miracles. Jesus rising from the dead. It seems odd to buy into the talking snake, talking donkey, man swallowed by a whale, miracles, Jesus rising from the dead, only to draw the line at a six day creation, as you say..."Ok ok that six day creation thing is too much to believe."

 

[JackH]

The same Bible that tells of your Savior rising from the dead has a creation being made in six days.

What does the Hebrew word "yom" translated to day(s) in English language Bibles mean?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

What does the Hebrew word "yom" translated to day(s) in English language Bibles mean?

you tell us. God said the 7th day was to be a day of rest, because he rested on the seventh day. Is the sabbath day a billion years old (we would have to rest our whole lives and do no work)

 

[superdave5221]

yeah they are being harmed.

By people saying the earth is billions of years old. And man was not created, but evolved from a lesser specie. And all the things they see happened by chance. there is no God.

And by the so called people who call themselves christians who also give in to this crap.

You're exactly right. When told by compromising Christians that the Genesis account is not history, but allegory, many young people have questioned the veracity of the rest of the bible, leading many to agnosticism.

Just a side note. For anyone who studies the history of the famous "Scopes Trial", they will immediately find that the play "Inherit the Wind", which is widely believed by many to be an accurate portrayal of the trial, is actually a grossly distorted and biased account. This can be known because the transcript of the trial is available. The evolution arguments of Darrow, such as embryonic recapitulation have all been abandoned, even by evolutionists.

William Jennings Bryan stuck to his guns, and was winning the case in which Darrow would have to openly deny the Scriptures in order to win. But Bryan had one weak link in his chain. He was a believer in the old earth history. When Bryan was questioned about the six day creation, and he denied that one had to believe in a literal six day creation, it opened the door for Darrow to question the veracity of the bible in the light of science.

With this concession by Bryan, Darrow achieved his goal of making the Bible subject to the reinterpretation of the ever changing scientific and philosophical speculations of man.

From this small beginning, we now see Christ thrown out of our schools, and replaced with the religion of secular humanism, and our bible reputed to be irrelevant to anything but theology. All Satan needs is a small door of opportunity.

It all started in the Garden of Eden. The serpent said, "did God really say not to eat from all the trees in the garden?". "Did God really say that He created the world in six days?"

 

[1still_waters]

What does the Hebrew word "yom" translated to day(s) in English language Bibles mean?

Noah in the boat for millions of years? Same word here as in creation account.


Gen 7:17
And the flood was forty days H3117 upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth.