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I am not offended by God's grace. I am offended by your lascivious grace.
This is God's grace:
Titus 2:11 - For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, :12 - Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
God's grace teaches us to deny ungodliness, and worldly lust. God's grace teaches us to live right in this world. Your grace is teaching us that we can live unrighteously. You are teaching false doctrine and a lascivious grace, not God's grace.
This is God's grace:
Titus 2:11 - For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, :12 - Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
God's grace teaches us to deny ungodliness, and worldly lust. God's grace teaches us to live right in this world. Your grace is teaching us that we can live unrighteously. You are teaching false doctrine and a lascivious grace, not God's grace.
Since it's impossible for God to lie, then Lk 13;3,5 1 Cor 6:9 are true. All the impenitent and adulterers are lost
1 Cor 5 say nothing about an impenitent adulterer maintaining his salvation but lost his salvation. Paul tells the church at Corinth they should have mourned for this lost individual and were to remove their fellowship from him. This removal of fellowship of the church shows that the individual was fellow-shipping with Satan and not Christ and His church. As Paul said in Rom 6:16 one serves either "sin unto death" or "obedience unto righteousness" and this man at Corinth had turned to serving sin unto death.
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Now who here is decieved my friend?
You claim everyone here can see that I am willfully ignorant.
yet you just PROVED what I said was true.
You said without works. that means zero works
You said faith but has NO works. which means no works.
this is exactly what I said. so why are you trying to twist what I said, and make yourself look like the one twisting (ie a hypocrite)
Zero works equals zero works.
\You can not use this to claim someone can have faith plus works at one time in their life, then because they have a time where thier is little or no work in their life they lost salvation. It does not fit what James said.
Would you like to try again?
You claim everyone here can see that I am willfully ignorant.
yet you just PROVED what I said was true.
You said without works. that means zero works
You said faith but has NO works. which means no works.
this is exactly what I said. so why are you trying to twist what I said, and make yourself look like the one twisting (ie a hypocrite)
Zero works equals zero works.
\You can not use this to claim someone can have faith plus works at one time in their life, then because they have a time where thier is little or no work in their life they lost salvation. It does not fit what James said.
Would you like to try again?
Nigh unto cursing, or another rendering, close to being cursed...is one rejected from salvation? the kingdom? or fellowship, communion with God or union with God? This verse is very much in the air in what is meant by "close to being cursed" and "whose end is to be burned", this sounds like the one "who has fallen away" has removed him from receiving the blessing of God while yet he/she lives. God wants to bless His children, but He can't while they are run a muck, in which everything this person does isn't worth anything pertaining to His Kingdom. Their life is useless. It could be the work that is burned up, not the man.
1 Corinthians 3
14 If anyone’s work which he has built onit endures, he will receive a reward. 15 If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.
1 Corinthians 3
14 If anyone’s work which he has built onit endures, he will receive a reward. 15 If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.
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No your response is babble.
NIGH TO BEING CURSED. It does not say they are cursed.
the curse of the law is death, This person is nigh to being cursed but is not.
His work is rejected (no reward) but he is not.
A paralled passage is 1 cor 3: [SUP]13 [/SUP]each one’s work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one’s work, of what sort it is. [SUP]14 [/SUP]If anyone’s work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward. [SUP]15 [/SUP]If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but YET HE HIMSELF WILL BE SAVED. YET AS THROUGH FIRE!
Wow do you people listen to yourselves. how can you write the stuff you do with a serious face? What scares me is you actually believe the stuff you say.
NIGH TO BEING CURSED. It does not say they are cursed.
the curse of the law is death, This person is nigh to being cursed but is not.
His work is rejected (no reward) but he is not.
A paralled passage is 1 cor 3: [SUP]13 [/SUP]each one’s work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one’s work, of what sort it is. [SUP]14 [/SUP]If anyone’s work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward. [SUP]15 [/SUP]If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but YET HE HIMSELF WILL BE SAVED. YET AS THROUGH FIRE!
Wow do you people listen to yourselves. how can you write the stuff you do with a serious face? What scares me is you actually believe the stuff you say.
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more babble.
Jesus said faith as small as a mustard seed can move mountains, if it can do that we are saved. He healed a mans child even though the main claimed he was struggling with faith, proving even that little faith can have God do miracles and if this, then save people..
We are saved by grace THROUGH FAITH.. How much faith? well if faith of a mustard seed can move a mountain, then it certainly can save you.. vs mere believe, which is no faith whatsoever.
Again, You god is not a god of Love, He kicks his children out of his family because they fall down and mess up.. I pray you do not do this to your kids.
Jesus said faith as small as a mustard seed can move mountains, if it can do that we are saved. He healed a mans child even though the main claimed he was struggling with faith, proving even that little faith can have God do miracles and if this, then save people..
We are saved by grace THROUGH FAITH.. How much faith? well if faith of a mustard seed can move a mountain, then it certainly can save you.. vs mere believe, which is no faith whatsoever.
Again, You god is not a god of Love, He kicks his children out of his family because they fall down and mess up.. I pray you do not do this to your kids.
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dude, neither one of us are teaching lasciviousness. Get off your high horse and listen to what we are saying, The men you listen to have taught you wrong about us.
Your teaching legalism. That is the opposite of lasciviousness. but just as damning to the eternal souls as a lasciviousness believe only gospel..
Yep it does.. Yet it also teaches us we still fail to live up to Gods standard.. If we did live up to Gods standard, we would stop needing grace. and could sustain ourselves. because we merit what we get.
Stop trying to earn what God offers you freely.
It is also clear that our work does not do the converting, our work either plants or waters and God brings the increase. So our reward isn't based on how many or how faithful a particular convert is. How could I be judged if a particular convert grows in Christ or not (unless I'm able to disciple them and refuse to do it)? Isn't the convert held responsible for his growth and genuineness?