It Is satanic Heresy to Deny Eternal Security

[Atwood]

Any notion that God has provided some means to forgive people whilst they remain in the service of sin (and thus enemies of God) is satanic doctrine.

Skinski, you do go on, just saying things. Let's see your Bible proof.
Until you prove your claims, they are deemed bogus.

So according to you several times every day when you sin, you are unforgiven and would go to the Lake of Fire if you had an accident?

The Lord has provided a means for comprehensive forgiveness of all sins; it is called the crucifixion of Christ. He who knew no sin was made sin for us that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

God commends His own love for us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

To be sure Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins.
And He does and will.
But it is also true that in many ways we all stumble; we all sin.
And we are guaranteed salvation from sin.

I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish.

I urge you to stop making up things. Believe God's Word.

If you are regarding Christ as just a chance-giver,

repent & trust Him as Savior.

 

[Alligator]

Here's a news flash for you Atwood. Just because someone doesn't share your phony ES or OSAS theory, doesn't mean that they, to use your worn out expression, don't trust in Jesus as Savior. Understand ? I didn't think so.

Newsflash:
Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins.

If anyone has reduced the Lord Jesus to a mere chance-giver, let Him repent & trust the Lord Jesus as His Savior.

once again you cherry pick, but I suppose you have to to defend your erroneous doctrine. Hebrews 5:8-9English Standard Version (ESV)



8 Although he was a son, he learned obedience through what he suffered. 9 And being made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation to all who obey him,

See, your verse does nothing to solidify your position. Obviously, not every man will be saved. But the Hebrew writer tells us. It's the one who OBEYS

 

[Atwood]

once again you cherry pick, but I suppose you have to to defend your erroneous doctrine. Hebrews 5:8-9English Standard Version (ESV)

8 Although he was a son, he learned obedience through what he suffered. 9 And being made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation to all who obey him,

Cherry pick is nonsense, the evidence is huge, and I have posted huge.

Excellent cherry-picked verses Alligator. I commend you for trying to prove with the Bible instead of just pontificating as some do.

Note that He is the source
(the author & perfecter of our faith).

The note that the salvation is eternal salvation --
He is not just a chance-giver, but a Savior who gives eternal salvation (not just 15 minutes, but watch out then).

The only obedience that saves is obedience to this commandment:

"Believe on the Lord Jesus [Christ], and you shall be saved."

General obedience is good works, which do not save.
For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, not of works lest anyone should boast.

Salvation requires us to rest from our works and get rest from the Savior. Are you one of those who labor & are heavy laden? Come to me, all ye who labor & are heavy-laden, & I will give you rest.

Hebrews warns:
"Let us fear therefore, lest haply, a promise being left of entering into his rest, anyone of you should seem to have come short of it. For indeed we have had good tidings preached unto us, even as also they: but the word of hearing did not profit them, because it was not united by faith with them that heard. For we who have believed do enter into that rest;

When someone fails to drop his works-salvation mentality & enter God's rest, that is a damning disobedience.

For he that is entered into his rest hath himself also rested from his works, as God did from his. Let us therefore give diligence to enter into that rest, that no man fall after the same example of disobedience.

 

[Atwood]

Is God OK with Sin? Is God OK with YOU!

Some go on about how God is not OK with sin.
But what one needs to pay attention to is

Is God OK with me?

With whom was God "OK"? was it the Pharisee who bragged on how righteous he was,
or was it the Publican who was justified after crying out,
"God be merciful to me a sinner."

He came not to call the righteous, but sinners to a change of mind.

The only way God can be OK with you, is if your sins are covered by the blood of the Lord Jesus.

God commends His own love for us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

What is ironic is that if one refuses to trust Christ as Savior (relegating Him to "chance-giver) on the grounds that if one has a Savior, then sin abounds in his life;
then the refuser sins all the more for lack of a Savior.

Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins.

The works route results in big sin. The grace route is the only way to escape from sin, but indwelling sin will be a fact until death for the Christian.

 

[Atwood]

Is Eternal Life a Farce? Are God's Promises a Farce?

"Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins."

Not a farce! But the only hope for us wretched sinner.


"I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish."

Not a farce! This is our blessed promise from our loving Savior.

 

[Alligator]

Here's a news flash for you Atwood. Just because someone doesn't share your phony ES or OSAS theory, doesn't mean that they, to use your worn out expression, don't trust in Jesus as Savior. Understand ? I didn't think so.

Cherry pick is nonsense, the evidence is huge, and I have posted huge.

Excellent cherry-picked verses Alligator. I commend you for trying to prove with the Bible instead of just pontificating as some do.

Note that He is the source
(the author & perfecter of our faith).

The note that the salvation is eternal salvation --
He is not just a chance-giver, but a Savior who gives eternal salvation (not just 15 minutes, but watch out then).

The only obedience that saves is obedience to this commandment:

"Believe on the Lord Jesus [Christ], and you shall be saved."

General obedience is good works, which do not save.
For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, not of works lest anyone should boast.

Salvation requires us to rest from our works and get rest from the Savior. Are you one of those who labor & are heavy laden? Come to me, all ye who labor & are heavy-laden, & I will give you rest.

Hebrews warns:
"Let us fear therefore, lest haply, a promise being left of entering into his rest, anyone of you should seem to have come short of it. For indeed we have had good tidings preached unto us, even as also they: but the word of hearing did not profit them, because it was not united by faith with them that heard. For we who have believed do enter into that rest;

When someone fails to drop his works-salvation mentality & enter God's rest, that is a damning disobedience.

For he that is entered into his rest hath himself also rested from his works, as God did from his. Let us therefore give diligence to enter into that rest, that no man fall after the same example of disobedience.

there is a lot more to obeying than merely believing. Obeying involves action, actually doing something. Christ has given those commands. Be baptized, for example. Is it a work? It makes no difference what you call it, it's a command of Christ and if I don't obey his commands I will not enter heaven. It's that simple.

 

[newbirth]

Skinski, you do go on, just saying things. Let's see your Bible proof.
Until you prove your claims, they are deemed bogus.

So according to you several times every day when you sin, you are unforgiven and would go to the Lake of Fire if you had an accident?

The Lord has provided a means for comprehensive forgiveness of all sins; it is called the crucifixion of Christ. He who knew no sin was made sin for us that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

This is how the scripture says we should do it...
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin,[SUP][c][/SUP] he condemned sin in the flesh, [SUP]4 [/SUP]in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. [SUP]5 [/SUP]For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit. [SUP]6 [/SUP]For to set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set the mind on the Spirit is life and peace. [SUP]7 [/SUP]For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Those who are in the flesh cannot please God.


Romans 8:14

English Standard Version

For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.

 

[newbirth]

Cherry pick is nonsense, the evidence is huge, and I have posted huge.

Excellent cherry-picked verses Alligator. I commend you for trying to prove with the Bible instead of just pontificating as some do.

Note that He is the source
(the author & perfecter of our faith).

The note that the salvation is eternal salvation --
He is not just a chance-giver, but a Savior who gives eternal salvation (not just 15 minutes, but watch out then).

The only obedience that saves is obedience to this commandment:

"Believe on the Lord Jesus [Christ], and you shall be saved."

General obedience is good works, which do not save.
For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, not of works lest anyone should boast.

Salvation requires us to rest from our works and get rest from the Savior. Are you one of those who labor & are heavy laden? Come to me, all ye who labor & are heavy-laden, & I will give you rest.

Hebrews warns:
"Let us fear therefore, lest haply, a promise being left of entering into his rest, anyone of you should seem to have come short of it. For indeed we have had good tidings preached unto us, even as also they: but the word of hearing did not profit them, because it was not united by faith with them that heard. For we who have believed do enter into that rest;

When someone fails to drop his works-salvation mentality & enter God's rest, that is a damning disobedience.

For he that is entered into his rest hath himself also rested from his works, as God did from his. Let us therefore give diligence to enter into that rest, that no man fall after the same example of disobedience.

How can you say you believe Christ but you don't believe he gave you POWER to become a son of GOD...
John 1:12
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

 

[Atwood]

Just One Must-I-Do Command for Salvation

there is a lot more to obeying than merely believing. Obeying involves action, actually doing something. Christ has given those commands. Be baptized, for example. Is it a work? It makes no difference what you call it, it's a command of Christ and if I don't obey his commands I will not enter heaven. It's that simple.

Well, then Alligator, you had best buy asbestos underwear. For you do not obey Christ's commands, and on that basis you will never enter Heaven. You are a sinner who needs a Savior, not a chance-giver. And BTW, water baptism is never salvific.

Rom 10:

" For being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God. For Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness to everyone who believes."

There is only one Must-I-Do command to secure salvation.

Sirs, what must-I-do to be saved?
Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you SHALL BE saved.

For by grace have you been saved through faith,
and that not of yourselves, not of works lest anyone should boast.

Salvation is not about establishing your own righteousness and then having the Lord let you into Heaven for that. That would be validation, rather than salvation.

Salvation is about a miserable sinner crying out, God be merciful to me a sinner, trusting the Lord Jesus to save Him.

To such a one is the promise:
Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins.

 

[Atwood]

He Who Is Saved, Is Saved! Eternal Life! Never Perish!

Rm 6:23b
the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

John 6:37

All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.

John 10:28 a
I give them eternal life, and they will never perish

John 3:16
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

John 5:24
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.

2 Corinthians 1:22
And who has also put his seal on us and given us his Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.

Romans 11:29
For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.

 

[newbirth]

Re: Just One Must-I-Do Command for Salvation

Well, then Alligator, you had best buy asbestos underwear. For you do not obey Christ's commands, and on that basis you will never enter Heaven. You are a sinner who needs a Savior, not a chance-giver. And BTW, water baptism is never salvific.

Rom 10:

" For being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God. For Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness to everyone who believes."

There is only one Must-I-Do command to secure salvation.

Sirs, what must-I-do to be saved?
Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you SHALL BE saved.

For by grace have you been saved through faith,
and that not of yourselves, not of works lest anyone should boast.

Salvation is not about establishing your own righteousness and then having the Lord let you into Heaven for that. That would be validation, rather than salvation.

Salvation is about a miserable sinner crying out, God be merciful to me a sinner, trusting the Lord Jesus to save Him.

To such a one is the promise:
Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins.

You believe him as saviour but you deny him as Lord.... so you are stuck in a loop

 

[Atwood]

Sing It; Jesus Christ Is the Lord of All! & Our Sufficient Savior

Jesus Christ is the Lord of All, Lord of all the earth;
Jesus Christ is the Lord of All, Lord of all the earth;
Only 1 God over the nations,
Only 1 Lord of all,
In no other name, is there salvation;
Jesus is Lord of all!

YouTube link

Jesus Christ is Lord of All - & Lyrics - YouTube

There is none other name, under Heaven, given among men
where by we must be saved!

We must be saved

Note that we must be saved.
It is impossible for sinful man to earn eternal life or a ticket to Heaven.
Do you know the old song?

Oh you can't get to Heaven without,
s a l, v a t, i o n . . .

He is not going to let you him on your works.
Your tower of babel won't reach to heaven.

In the salvation process,
you are the miserable wretched sinner whose works stink.
You must be the salvee -- He the Savior.

He is not a mere chance-giver.

Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, & you shall be saved.

 

[Alligator]

Re: Just One Must-I-Do Command for Salvation

Well, then Alligator, you had best buy asbestos underwear. For you do not obey Christ's commands, and on that basis you will never enter Heaven. You are a sinner who needs a Savior, not a chance-giver. And BTW, water baptism is never salvific.

Rom 10:

" For being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God. For Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness to everyone who believes."

There is only one Must-I-Do command to secure salvation.

Sirs, what must-I-do to be saved?
Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you SHALL BE saved.

For by grace have you been saved through faith,
and that not of yourselves, not of works lest anyone should boast.

Salvation is not about establishing your own righteousness and then having the Lord let you into Heaven for that. That would be validation, rather than salvation.

Salvation is about a miserable sinner crying out, God be merciful to me a sinner, trusting the Lord Jesus to save Him.

To such a one is the promise:
Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins.

Here you go.
Galatians 1:9English Standard Version (ESV)


9 As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.

Your ignorance of the scriptures is exceeded only by your arrogance.

 

[Atwood]

Faith is the Requirement; Don't Make the Tail Wag the Dog

Believe or faith is the only requirement for salvation on man's part, as reiterated over & over in scripture, where the offer of salvation is for believing or trusting in Christ with no additions.

Any rare instances where other language is used must be understood in that context. There is in scripture such a thing as obeying the Gospel, which is fulfilled when one obeys this command:
Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, & you shall be saved. Trying to make obedience in general the condition of salvation is a violation of the rule that salvation is not by works.

Take the statement in Heb 5:
"And being made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation to all who obey him,"

Just from a standpoint of logic, one may not deny the antecedent (logical fallacy). Thus the statement "to all who obey Him" implies logically nothing about those who do not obey. Nor does such a statement say that "it is essential to obey for salvation." You may as well argue that if it is true that those who take the bus will get to town, then those who do not take the bus won't get to town (taxi won't work).

Bu t it is true that one must obey the commandment to believe for salvation.
The word is hypakouō. BDAG Lexicon:

ὑπακούω‘listen to’.
1. to follow instructions, obey, follow, be subject to
w. gen. of pers.

W. dat. of pers.
parents Eph 6:1; Col 3:20;
masters Eph 6:5; Col 3:22; cp. Ro 6:16;
husband 1 Pt 3:6;
Christ Hb 5:9
The pers. is supplied fr. the context Phil 2:12;

the transition to the next usage
(w. things).
—‘To be in compliance’
w. dat. of the thing to which one is obedient or which one embraces in full surrender

ὑπακούειν τῇ πίστει [to obey the faith] Ac 6:7;
τῷ εὐαγγελίῳ [the gospel] Ro 10:16; 2 Th 1:8;
τῷ λόγῳ ἡμῶν [our word] 2 Th 3:14;

ταῖς ἐπιθυμίαις αὐτοῦ [its lusts]
(=τοῦ θνητοῦ σώματος ὑμῶν [of your mortal body]) Ro 6:12.

ὑπηκούσατε εἰς ὃν παρεδόθητε τύπον διδαχῆς
[you obeyed to that form of teaching whereunto ye were delivered] vs. 17

—Foll. by the inf. which shows what the obedience results in (Gen 39:10) Ἀβραὰμ ὑπήκουσεν ἐξελθεῖν
[Abr. obeyed to go out]
Abr. went out obediently Hb 11:8.

—Also of the enforced obedience of hostile spirits or powers ὐπακούουσιν αὐτῷ they are forced to obey him Mk 1:27;
of the elements Mt 8:27 ; Mk 4:41; Lk 8:25;
of a [sycamine] tree that must [obey] yield to a higher power 17:6


2. to grant one’s request, hear [no NT examples]
(of a judge who hears a plaintiff) 1 Cl[ement] 39:7 (Job 5:1).


3. to answer a knock at the door,
technically of the door-keeper, whose duty it is to listen for the signals of those who wish to enter, and to admit them if they are entitled to do so:
open or answer (the door)
προσῆλθεν παιδίσκη ὑπακοῦσαι
[A maid went forth to answer/open] Ac 12:13."

This last meaning is very interesting. Could that be the meaning in Heb 5? It reminds of Rev 3: "Behold, I stand at the door & knock."

 

[newbirth]

Re: Faith is the Requirement; Don't Make the Tail Wag the Dog

Believe or faith is the only requirement for salvation on man's part, as reiterated over & over in scripture, where the offer of salvation is for believing or trusting in Christ with no additions.

Any rare instances where other language is used must be understood in that context. There is in scripture such a thing as obeying the Gospel, which is fulfilled when one obeys this command:
Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, & you shall be saved. Trying to make obedience in general the condition of salvation is a violation of the rule that salvation is not by works.

Take the statement in Heb 5:
"And being made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation to all who obey him,"

Just from a standpoint of logic, one may not deny the antecedent (logical fallacy). Thus the statement "to all who obey Him" implies logically nothing about those who do not obey. Nor does such a statement say that "it is essential to obey for salvation." You may as well argue that if it is true that those who take the bus will get to town, then those who do not take the bus won't get to town (taxi won't work).

Bu t it is true that one must obey the commandment to believe for salvation.
The word is hypakouō. BDAG Lexicon:

seems like common sense is not so common after all....
Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, & you shall be saved. Lord means master , do you obey your master ? Or do you just believe and disobey?
If your master says take the bus to get to town, do you take a taxi and tell the master the bus don't work?

The master says his sheep hear his voice and they follow him....what are you hearing and who are you following. You believe but you don't hear neither do you follow.

Believe or faith is the only requirement for salvation on man's part, as reiterated over & over in scripture, where the offer of salvation is for believing or trusting in Christ with no additions.

your words

 

[newbirth]

Re: Faith is the Requirement; Don't Make the Tail Wag the Dog

Just from a standpoint of logic, one may not deny the antecedent (logical fallacy). Thus the statement "to all who obey Him" implies logically nothing about those who do not obey. Nor does such a statement say that "it is essential to obey for salvation." You may as well argue that if it is true that those who take the bus will get to town, then those who do not take the bus won't get to town (taxi won't work).

Where is the logic of the gospel? We believe the Gospel because we acted on the faith God gave us, you started in faith and now you are turned to your logic? All who obey him imply just what it says all who obey him. If he became the source of eternal salvation and you have to obey him to get to that source, then it is essential to obey for salvation.

 

[Atwood]

Re: Faith is the Requirement; Don't Make the Tail Wag the Dog

Where is the logic of the gospel? We believe the Gospel because we acted on the faith God gave us, you started in faith and now you are turned to your logic? All who obey him imply just what it says all who obey him. If he became the source of eternal salvation and you have to obey him to get to that source, then it is essential to obey for salvation.

Logically speaking if obedience did bring you salvation, that would not imply that there was no other way.

Obey is the odd man out in contrast with the many, many believe/faith only passages. There is an obedience that saves; it is obeying this commandment:

Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you shall be saved.

Salvation is guaranteed to the believer. And it is a "must I do."

You must interpret scripture to agree with scripture. And since O NewB, you disobey, you are in trouble if you think by your self-righteous obedience you will make it. You are a sinner & must have a Savior.

Here is some of the believe/faith only passages, too many for one post on this forum:


1 Peter 1
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy begat us again unto a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, who by the power of God are guarded through faith unto a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
John 3:16
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
John 5:24
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
1 John 5:13
I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.
1 John 5:10-13
Whoever believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself. Whoever does not believe God has made him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has borne concerning his Son. And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.
Ephesians 1:13
In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,
John 6:40
For this is the will of my Father, that every one that beholdeth the Son, and believes on him, should have eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

Ephesians 2:8-10 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one John 6:47
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life.
John 3:36
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.
John 3:18
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
joy,
1 Peter 1:3-5
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy begat us again unto a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 unto an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, 5 who by the power of God are guarded through faith unto a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
John 1:12
But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God,
Revelation 3:5
The one who overcomes will be clothed thus in white garments, and I will never blot his name out of the book of life. I will confess his name before my Father… 1 John 5:4-5 For whatsoever is begotten of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith. And who is he who overcomes the world, but he that believes that Jesus is the Son of God? For everyone who has been born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.

JOHN 20:30
Many other signs therefore did Jesus in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book: 31 but these are written, that ye may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye may have life in his name.

Act 13:48
And as the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of God: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.

Faithful is the saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief: 16 howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me as chief might Jesus Christ show forth all his longsuffering, for an ensample of them that should thereafter believe on him unto eternal life.
1 Tim 1:15-17
Faithful is the saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief: howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me as chief might Jesus Christ show forth all his longsuffering, for an ensample of them that should thereafter believe on him unto eternal life.

1 John 5:13
These things have I written unto you, that ye may know that ye have eternal life, even unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God.
Eph 1:10ff
to sum up all things in Christ, the things in the heavens, and the things upon the earth; in him, I say in whom also we were made a heritage, having been foreordained according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his will; 12 to the end that we should be unto the praise of his glory, we who had before hoped in Christ: 13 in whom ye also, having heard the word of the truth, the gospel of your salvation,— in whom, having also believed, ye were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 which is an earnest of our inheritance, unto the redemption of God’s own possession, unto the praise of his glory.
Luke 8:11-12
Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. 12 And those by the way side are they that have heard; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word from their heart, that they may not believe and be saved.
Acts 16:31
And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus, and thou shalt be saved, thou and thy house.
1 Cor 1:21
it was God’s good pleasure through the foolishness of the preaching to save them that believe.
Gal 2:15-16
We being Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, 16 yet knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, even we believed on Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ, and not by the works of the law: because by the works of the law shall no flesh shall be justified.

14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up; that whosoever believes may in him have eternal life.

John 3:14-18

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whosoever believes on him should not perish, but have eternal life. 1For God sent not the Son into the world to judge the world; but that the world should be saved through him. 1He that believes on him is not judged: he that believes not hath been judged already, because he hath not believed on the name of the only Son of God.
John 5:24
2Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believes him that sent me, hath eternal life, and cometh not into judgment, but hath passed out of death into life.
John 6:47
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believes hath eternal life.

John 10:27
But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: and I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, and no one shall snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who hath given them unto me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.

1 John 5:10-12
He that believes on the Son of God hath the witness in him: he that believes not God hath made him a liar; because he hath not believed in the witness that God hath borne concerning his Son. And the witness is this, that God gave unto us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 He that hath the Son hath the life; he that hath not the Son of God hath not the life.
Ps 37:5-6
Commit thy way unto Jehovah;
Trust also in him, and he will bring it to pass.
And he will make thy righteousness to go forth as the light,
And thy justice as the noonday.


Acts 15:8

And God, who knoweth the heart, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Spirit, even as he did unto us; and he made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith.

Acts 26:18b

that they may receive remission of sins and an inheritance among them that are sanctified by faith in me.

Rom 1:16-17
For I am not ashamed of the gospel: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believes; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17 For therein is revealed a righteousness of God from faith unto faith: as it is written, But the righteous shall live by faith.

Rom 3:21-30

But now apart from the law a righteousness of God hath been manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22 even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ unto all them that believe; for there is no distinction; 23 for all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God; 24 being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 whom God set forth to be a propitiation, through faith, in his blood, to show his righteousness because of the passing over of the sins done aforetime, in the forbearance of God; 26 for the showing, I say, of his righteousness at this present season: that he might himself be just, and the justifier of him that hath faith in Jesus.

27 Where then is the glorying? It is excluded. By what manner of law? of works? Nay: but by a law of faith. 28 We reckon therefore that a man is justified by faith apart from the works of the law. 29 Or is God the God of Jews only? is he not the God of Gentiles also? Yea, of Gentiles also: 30 if so be that God is one, and he shall justify the circumcision by faith, and the uncircumcision through faith.

Rom 4:1ff

:1 What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather, hath found according to the flesh? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not toward God. 3 For what saith the scripture? And Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned unto him for righteousness. 4 Now to him that worketh, the reward is not reckoned as of grace, but as of debt. 5 But to him that worketh not, but believes on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is reckoned for righteousness.

6 Even as David also pronounceth blessing upon the man, unto whom God reckoneth righteousness apart from works, 7 saying,
Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven,
And whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not reckon sin.

9 Is this blessing then pronounced upon the circumcision, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say, To Abraham his faith was reckoned for righteousness. 10 How then was it reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision: 11 and he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while he was in uncircumcision: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be in uncircumcision, that righteousness might be reckoned unto them; 12 and the father of circumcision to them who not only are of the circumcision, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham which he had in uncircumcision.

13 For not through the law was the promise to Abraham or to his seed that he should be heir of the world, but through the righteousness of faith. 14 For if they that are of the law are heirs, faith is made void, and the promise is made of none effect: 15 for the law worketh wrath; but where there is no law, neither is there transgression. 16 For this cause it is of faith, that it may be according to grace; to the end that the promise may be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all 17 (as it is written, A father of many nations have I made thee) before him whom he believed, even God, who giveth life to the dead, and calleth the things that are not, as though they were. 18 Who in hope believed against hope, to the end that he might become a father of many nations, according to that which had been spoken, So shall thy seed be.

19 And without being weakened in faith he considered his own body now as good as dead (he being about a hundred years old), and the deadness of Sarah’s womb; 20 yet, looking unto the promise of God, he wavered not through unbelief, but waxed strong through faith, giving glory to God, 21 and being fully assured that what he had promised, he was able also to perform. 22 Wherefore also it was reckoned unto him for righteousness.

Rom 5:1-2
Being therefore justified by faith, let us have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ; through whom also we have had our access by faith into this grace wherein we stand; and let us boast in hope of the glory of God.

Rom 9:30:
What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, who followed not after righteousness, attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith: but Israel, following after a law of righteousness, did not arrive at that law. Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by works. They stumbled at the stone of stumbling; even as it is written,
Behold, I lay in Zion a stone of stumbling and a rock of offence:
And he that believes on him shall not be put to shame.

Rom 10:4ff

For Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness to every one that believes. For Moses writeth that the man that doeth the righteousness which is of the law shall live thereby. But the righteousness which is of faith saith thus, Say not in thy heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down or, Who shall descend into the abyss? (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead.) But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach.

 

[Atwood]

Re: Faith is the Requirement; Don't Make the Tail Wag the Dog

Atwood testified:

Believe or faith is the only requirement for salvation on man's part, as reiterated over & over in scripture, where the offer of salvation is for believing or trusting in Christ with no additions.

your words

The following is God's Word:

Gal 2:15-16
We being Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, 16 yet knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, even we believed on Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ, and not by the works of the law: because by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Gal 3:

This only would I learn from you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now perfected in the flesh? 4 Did ye suffer so many things in vain? if it be indeed in vain. 5 He therefore that supplieth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned unto him for righteousness. 7 Know therefore that they that are of faith, the same are sons of Abraham.

8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all the nations be blessed. 9 So then they that are of faith are blessed with the faithful Abraham. 10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under a curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one who continueth not in all things that are written in the book of the law, to do them.

11 Now that no man is justified by the law before God, is evident: for, The righteous shall live by faith; 12 and the law is not of faith; but, He that doeth them shall live in them. 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us; for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: 14 that upon the Gentiles might come the blessing of Abraham in Christ Jesus; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Gal 3:22ff

But the scripture shut up all things under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. But before faith came, we were kept in ward under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. So that the law is become our tutor to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But now that faith is come, we are no longer under a tutor. For ye are all sons of God, through faith, in Christ Jesus.

Gal 5:5-6

For we through the Spirit by faith wait for the hope of righteousness. For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth anything, nor uncircumcision; but faith working through love.

Philip 3:8-9
Yea verily, and I count all things to be loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but refuse, that I may gain Christ, and be found in him, not having a righteousness of mine own, even that which is of the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith:

Col 2:6
As therefore ye received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in him, 7 rooted and builded up in him, and established in your faith, even as ye were taught, abounding in thanksgiving.

2 Tim 3:15b
the sacred writings which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

Titus 1:4
to Titus, my true child after a common faith: Grace and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Saviour.

Heb 3:19ff
And we see that they were not able to enter in because of unbelief. Let us fear therefore, lest haply, a promise being left of entering into his rest, any one of you should seem to have come short of it. 2 For indeed we have had good tidings preached unto us, even as also they: but the word of hearing did not profit them, because it was not united by faith with them that heard. For we who have believed do enter into that rest;

Heb 10:39
But we are not of them that shrink back unto perdition; but of them that have faith unto the saving of the soul.

Heb 11:7

By faith Noah, being warned of God concerning things not seen as yet, moved with godly fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; through which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is according to faith.

1 Pet 1:3ff

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy begat us again unto a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 unto an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, 5 who by the power of God are guarded through faith unto a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time. 6 Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a little while, if need be, ye have been put to grief in manifold trials, 7 that the proof of your faith, being more precious than gold that perisheth though it is proved by fire, may be found unto praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ: 8 whom not having seen ye love; on whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice greatly with joy unspeakable and full of glory: 9 receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.

1 John 5:4-5

4 For whatsoever is begotten of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that hath overcome the world, even our faith. 5 And who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believes that Jesus is the Son of God?

 

[Atwood]

What Are the Obstacles to Trusting Christ as Savior?

What are the obstacles to trusting Christ as Savior?
One motive for writing Him off as Savior and demoting Him to mere "chance giver" could be the pride of man who will not admit that he is really such a bad sinner that nothing he does by way of works or obedience will bring him a verdict of "righteous" with God.

One big obstacle which is evident after so much debate here is that it appears that most of those who oppose Christ being the Savior Who gives eternal life with eternal security, oppose it based on their refusal to admit that salvation is by grace through faith. They want to add in works, though specifically scripture negates works.

"For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, not of works lest anyone should boast.

They find rare verses which speak of salvation in some other term besides faith/believe, and then want to insist that something else like water baptism or general commandment obedience is a condition for salvation -- and that despite the direct statement of scripture that works do not and cannot save. By taking this self-righteous perversion of the gospel, such persons insure their slavery to sin and their seat in the Lake of Fire.

The evidence both for salvation by faith/believing and for eternal security has been abundantly posted. As for me, I believe with all my heart that His name is Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins. Having confessed that I was a total sinner, I have put my trust in Him and in His substitutionary death on the cross for my salvation. My eternal security in Him is not an incentive to sin. The love of Christ constrains me, and He saves me from my sins.

As a recipient of a new nature and as indwelt by the Holy Spirit now I have the power to manifest the love of God for others, even to love my enemies.

He is not a mere chance-giver. He is the Savior. But to enjoy those blessings of salvation, you must trust Him as your Savior.

Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you shall be saved.

Once you have done this, then you can understand how you have become secure in the Lord Jesus.

I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish.

 

[Atwood]

Salvation 101 (Intro to Soteriology)

INTRO TO DOCTRINE OF SALVATION (SOTERIOLOGY)

A. IMPORTANCE OF CORRECTNESS

But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.
(Galatians 1)

B. TOTAL DEPRAVITY OF MAN

Much of our understanding of salvation is influenced by our understanding the man is totally depraved. There is none who does good, no not one. (Rom 3) Even the ploughing of the unsaved farmer expresses his sinfulness because of his selfish motive, not done to glorify God. Total Depravity does not mean that every man is as evil as she cud be, but that all of his being is affected by sin & nothing he does is good before God.


C. GOD'S PROVISION IS TOTAL & COMPLETE

On the cross Christ said, "It is finished."

Romans 8 has this unbreakable chain:'

"For whom he foreknew, he also foreordained to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren: and whom he foreordained, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified."

Romans 8: "He who spared not His own son, but delivered Him up for us all, how shall He not also with Him freely give us all things."

Gal: "Grace to you..from God the Father & our Lord Jesus Christ, who gave himself for our sins, THAT HE MIGHT DELIVER US OUT OF THIS PRESENT EVIL AGE, according to the will of our God & Father"

D. 3 TENSES OF SALVATION: past, present, future.

1. Past Salvation.

We were saved from the guilt & penalty of sin.
The Christian can rightly say after He trusts Christ as savior, "I was saved."

2 Tim 1:8-9
For God did not give us not a spirit of fearfulness; but of power & love & discipline. Be not ashamed therefore of the testimony of our Lord, not of me his prisoner: but suffer hardship with the gospel according to the power of God; who SAVED us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose & grace which was given us in Christ Jesus before times eternal,


Eph 2
"God, being rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, even when we were dead thru our trespasses, made us alive together w/ Christ (by grace you have been saved) & raised us up w/ him & made us to sit w/ him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, that in the ages to come he might show the exceeding riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. For by grace you HAVE BEEN SAVED thru faith; & that [salvation] not of yourselves. It is the gift of God; not of works that no man should glory.

2. Present Salvation:

We have deliverance from the Power of Sin.

1 Cor 1:18:
"For the word of the cross is to them who perish foolishness; but to us who ARE BEING SAVED it is the power of God."

2 Cor 2:15:
" For we are a sweet savor of Christ to God, in them WHO ARE BEING SAVED, and in them who arfe perishing; to the one a savor from death unto death; to the other a savor from life unto life. And who is sufficient for these things? For we are not as the many, corrupting the word of God. But as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God, we speak in Christ."

While a depraved child of Adam inevitably sins, a born-again Christian does not have to sin. A way of escape is always made for him.
1 Cor 10:13:
There has no temptation taken you but such as man can bear; but God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted above that you are able; but will with the temptation make also the way of escape, that you may be able to endure it.

3. Future Salvation:

We shall be saved from the presence of indwelling Sin, be glorified, and live in bliss with the Lord forever.

But God commends his own love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through him. For if, while we were enemies, we were reconciled to God through the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life;