American Churches - How diverse are they?

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Rachel20

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Today, I had the opportunity to visit a church in America.

The service was at 11:00 AM, and prior to that I had slept at 5:00 AM in the morning. I had stayed overnight at the office.
Still, I had made up my mind, that come what may, this Sunday I would go to church.

For the time I've been here in the USA, I hadn't been to church.

Despite feeling really tired, I made it a priority to get up, dress up and since I have no transportation here - walked 2 miles to go to a Lutheran church.

I was lost for a while, sweating and I am sure, not in a very spectacular condition but I was very excited.
I was excited to be in the house of the Lord, excited to visit a Lutheran service, and excited to meet other Christians.


I walked in to a congregation that seemed predominantly white. I didn't think too much of it until I noticed that nobody smiled.
A little intimidated, I ended up sitting next to a really lovely, divorced single mother.

The service was mechanical, lifeless and the people had no smiles or anything. They were like zombies. When it came to greet one another, they did it with absolutely no expression whatsoever.

The service ended sooner than I thought, and I was not at peace. Everyone stared and except the kind lady on the pew, not a single person was welcoming or smiled at me.

After the service, the woman and her friend spoke to me a bit. The only ones. They almost seemed apologetic in the way they tried to describe their church. They claimed that the white population here, seemed to like only a certain worship style and that black churches have a 3 hour worship service. "People here, just like to get it done within an hour."

She was a wonderful woman, however, I felt very shocked at the whole church.

This was something that I had not anticipated at all. I thought segregation and all those stuff was done with.

Usually when people come to any church - whether local visitors or international, there is always a bit of excitement and everyone is usually happy and warm.

To be treated in such a cold and unwelcome manner was an eye opener to me.

If I think about it, I actually want to cry.

For me, I was really excited to visit a Lutheran church, because a friend on here is Lutheran and I wanted to see what the whole deal was.

I made so much of an effort to come to church and to view and understand how Americans worship. I was psyched about it.

How could they be Christian and do that?
If we as Christians are so terrible in welcoming members and being open to people of different races, what does that speak of us?

I wouldn't call what happened at church racism. However, there was just something in the air that made me uncomfortable and it's hard to explain.


Currently, I am in the Southern part of the United States, and maybe it has to do with that, with it's history etc.

So my question to those reading this thread, if you belong to a conservative church, is this how your church is? Predominantly of a different race/ a community without much diversity?

I can understand churches may be attended by a single community at large, but in case someone else of another race came, would they feel welcome?

This is mostly directed to Americans. I hope you are frank with me just as I have been.

I disliked this church a lot. If I ever, (chances are slim) have the opportunity to be in this place again, I will never come to this church.
Not only it's people, but even the service was bland. I've never seen such mechanized, rote-like worship. If I think about it, it's actually almost insulting God because of the lack of passion.

This was the only Sunday I had, that I could visit a church and I spent it on such a church. I feel an extreme loss and really hurt. To think that Americans still have such a phenomenon of "white" and "black" churches in a unsaid manner is so unfortunate.

I hope this church was only an exception and not the rule, and not all churches are like this.
 
You went to a liturgical Church where most are formal and done as scheduled.
You can't judge all churches by just one. America is a land of variety and you do have variety here.
It's a wonder those in the Lutheran Church didn't ask your last name, they love to sniff out the Germans and Norwegians (hehe, racism? well... most aren't born again).
 
Not all churches in America are like that!

First of all, it sure sounded like you were at a very dead church. I'm sorry about that! Unfortunately, there are far too many churches that just "phone it in" on Sunday.

Regarding the race issue, I personally have never been to a church that would not welcome a diverse congregation. With that said, I do believe there is a large amount of "self-segregation" in American churches. Blacks have their worship traditions as do Hispanics and European-Americans. We all have a worship style that is comfortable for us and we stick with it. I'm guilty of this myself. If I were to go to a black church, I would probably find it difficult to sing the music and I'm a bit more straight-laced and would probably be uncomfortable. So, I think that self-segregation is a big thing here.

With that said, I also believe that racism does still exist in our churches, mores the pity. And it is probably more dominant in the South than in other parts of the country. It is sad, but to say it doesn't exist would be a lie.

Again, I am sorry you had this awful experience. If you're ever in upstate NY, look me up and I'll bring you to my church!
 
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I have to say though, in general most American people have been very friendly.

They've gone out of their way to be helpful, show the way around and just be open and showing me their culture, their likes , dislikes and explaining things.

They've been curious about me and just have been so warm and inviting.

I've really enjoyed my time with other Americans. However they weren't necessarily Christian.
 
America is a huge and diverse place. You can't judge all of our churches based on one single church! You could step into a another church and have a completely different experience. Sadly churches do seem to be segregated by race, though like an above post said it's more self segregation than anything else.
 
i think your experience was pretty typical, but also not typical of every church in America.

this country has been segregated by law for 3/4 of it's history. it's only in the last 50-60 years that that's being undone. industries, neighborhoods, entire towns are still segregated, maybe not by the 'choice' of the people there, but because we're not far removed from that being the cultural norm. unless people forcefully desegregate themselves, it's going to take more than a couple generations in a lot of parts of the country before it's more normal to see really diverse crowds, especially in churches that have been established for more than a couple decades. a lot of people here grew up in little racial pockets, with their own local cultures, and if they relocate, they usually find the same sort of racial/cultural niche to fit into, because it's what they are already comfortable with.

not every church is like that, but a lot are, especially in parts of the country like the south where there is still a lot of racial polarization, or in parts of the north or the midwest where there isn't as much racial diversity to begin with. i think you probably see less segregation in areas where the population is more diverse, like in big cities, and in churches that are relatively new and aren't mostly made up of families who go back generations in the church's history -- back to generations where segregation was expected and encouraged here.

there are sooo many churches in America. you will have to visit a lot of them before you get a picture of the whole!
where there is a lot of freedom, there is usually a lot of variation :)
 
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You went to a liturgical Church where most are formal and done as scheduled.
You can't judge all churches by just one. America is a land of variety and you do have variety here.
It's a wonder those in the Lutheran Church didn't ask your last name, they love to sniff out the Germans and Norwegians (hehe, racism? well... most aren't born again).

Well, I do agree America is very diverse and that one church cannot be the yardstick for the whole.

However just being a liturgical church doesn't mean people shouldn't be happy worshiping God or welcoming others. Yes there's an order, but even within that order, there is a time mentioned for greeting one another.

Doing things for God should be done with joy and happiness.

(Of course, I am being idealistic :) )
 
Well, I do agree America is very diverse and that one church cannot be the yardstick for the whole.

However just being a liturgical church doesn't mean people shouldn't be happy worshiping God or welcoming others. Yes there's an order, but even within that order, there is a time mentioned for greeting one another.

Doing things for God should be done with joy and happiness.

(Of course, I am being idealistic :) )

The problem was probably with that particular church. I've been to liturgical churches that were very welcoming and happy. On the other hand I've been to less formal, non-liturgical services that were cold and unwelcoming. It all depends on the people that make up the church.
 
Firstly I have to say, thank you for the honest replies.


Yes, I agree America is very diverse, but the fact that many of you admit that such sort of ''self- aggregation'' takes place and that there is underlying racism is cool, because you're not brushing this under the rug.

I do think it's an issue, because imagine if you were an unbeliever, who walked in there. How would we be treating such people?

Unfortunately I do not have the time or means to visit any other church.
Going to this church , itself took me a lot of effort.

I went all by myself, walking through some creepy places just to get there. Not just the effort, but I had to specifically cancel other events, which were a big deal for other people.

I'm just glad I did not bring any of my other friends or colleagues who I work with who are unbelievers.
 
The problem was probably with that particular church. I've been to liturgical churches that were very welcoming and happy. On the other hand I've been to less formal, non-liturgical services that were cold and unwelcoming. It all depends on the people that make up the church.


I would think you were right.

I really wish though, that people did not have such barriers. I feel deeply pained and close to tears about the whole experience.

For me, I hardly get to meet other Christians and for once to be in a country where there were so many of them, I was excited to have an opportunity to worship with them.
 
Well, I do agree America is very diverse and that one church cannot be the yardstick for the whole.

However just being a liturgical church doesn't mean people shouldn't be happy worshiping God or welcoming others. Yes there's an order, but even within that order, there is a time mentioned for greeting one another.

Doing things for God should be done with joy and happiness.

(Of course, I am being idealistic :) )

I've been in plenty of Lutheran Churches, and I find it's not the liturgy that contributes to their deadness because there are a number of evangelicals that 'go Lutheran' and love the liturgy but they are usually the few that show any life.
My hunch is their view on baptismal regeneration contributes to their 'deadness' as many grow up thinking their baptism is sufficient and end up never being born again.
 
Firstly I have to say, thank you for the honest replies.


Yes, I agree America is very diverse, but the fact that many of you admit that such sort of ''self- aggregation'' takes place and that there is underlying racism is cool, because you're not brushing this under the rug.

I do think it's an issue, because imagine if you were an unbeliever, who walked in there. How would we be treating such people?

Unfortunately I do not have the time or means to visit any other church.
Going to this church , itself took me a lot of effort.

I went all by myself, walking through some creepy places just to get there. Not just the effort, but I had to specifically cancel other events, which were a big deal for other people.

I'm just glad I did not bring any of my other friends or colleagues who I work with who are unbelievers.

I'm sorry you had such a bad experience.:( There's nothing more uncomfortable than visiting a cold, unwelcoming church. There are some churches that are more social clubs than anything else. Dead churches, like somebody said. I wish you had the chance to visit another church because there are some really wonderful, warm and inviting churches in the US. Sadly with the large amount of churches that we have you are going to hit some duds.
 
I've been in plenty of Lutheran Churches, and I find it's not the liturgy that contributes to their deadness because there are a number of evangelicals that 'go Lutheran' and love the liturgy but they are usually the few that show any life.
My hunch is their view on baptismal regeneration contributes to their 'deadness' as many grow up thinking their baptism is sufficient and end up never being born again.

Crossnote, actually this church was an ELCA church.
 
Crossnote, actually this church was an ELCA church.

I have no experience with ELCA...wayyy to liberal for my tastes. Liturgy is similar I believe but they have lost their moorings when it comes to the bible as being fully the Word of God.

..................but that's me :)
 
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Hugs Rachel, Im so sorry your exsperiance was as it was.
Ive heard such still happens in the southern part of the U.S. .
The part of the U.S. Im from would not have any of that kind of responce, and most here would be furious if it happened.
Where I live there are good and alive churches, but saddly there are also some lost churches as well.
The trend where I live is moving towards home churches, a smaller comunity chruch that is helpful and interactive with each other and very bible based.
Mostly because some churches have become so huge, that many simply have a large televised screen giving a sermon to serveral churches.
You will find alot of diversity here in the U.S., what matters though is finding the church that belongs to Jesus.
And that church is all of us that live in Jesus.
I hope you will have a better exsperiance soon, all I can say is to pray for that church, that the Holy Spirit will take hold, bringing the truth in Jesus needed.

God bless
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Our family went to the Lutheran Church until my son visited a Baptist Church. We moved quite a little, so it wasn't just one Lutheran Church but several. My son explained to us our church was dead and just as you explained. He brought us to a smiling, happy, friendly church that expressed love for others.

I think the home church idea is the best way for us to solve this, for with the size of our churches it is difficult to follow Christ in how we love and care for each other, even in friendlier churches.
 
Well, you coulda walked into a church deep in the woods in the Southern US, and been quite surprised when someone handed you a rattle snake.............. :):):)

Yes, there is a "diversity" of congregations in the US..............from one extreme to the other...........and thousands upon thousands in between.............
 
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