2% of Priests are Paedophiles

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Yes, I am aware of that. Also that Peter had a wife. And that elders/bishops have the qualification of being the husband of one wife with children who are faithful.

Because polygamy was rampant in some places.

The command is that every man should have his own wife, lest there be fornication. The exception is if someone has a spiritual gift for celibacy or there is a big persecution arising.

The bible does not command every man to have a wife. Paul's letters call us all to celibacy and to marry in the case that we cannot be celibate.

It looks to me like someone decided that having sex was itself a sin and relegated a Christian to 2nd class status. Was this Augustine's fault?

Celibacy was held in high esteem from the earliest days.
You also do not seem to understand Catholicism - celibacy is only the norm in the west. Most eastern Catholic priests are married.

As to the celibacy of priests, that is also nonsense since all Christians are priests, and in the NT there is no special class of priests.

In the NT there are deacons, priests, and bishops. So yes, there are a special class of 'priests'. We are all priests, but some are called to ministerial priesthood.

The idea that priests are needed to conduct cannibalistic sacrifices in masses is an abomination.

So you do not take the bible literally?

There are no "masses" in the Bible. Hebrews is clearly against such a practice; it is pagan idolatry to worship a piece of bread.

Then what do you call the gathering to break bread? The need to be pure when receiving communion. That communion is the body and blood of Christ is not pagan. However, the belief that communion is not the body and blood of Christ and is merely symbolic is of Gnostic origin.

One thing that should seem obvious to anyone who reads the NT is how foreign the papal operation is to the NT.

I was thinking just the opposite.

 

[Last]

I don't know if I understand what you are saying....How could it not be one of their doctrinal items if it is something they have decreed as a rule that their priests must follow. So, I contend that it IS an administrative economic decision that became Catholic dogma and doctrine because it benefitted the Catholic church.

Celibacy is a practice in the western church. It is not a doctrine. A doctrine is not how something is done, a doctrine pertains to a truth of the faith.

 

[raf]

You know what blows my mind about this.....Paul and his letters to Timothy...the time when they will not allow to MARRY.....this is what you get when you don't allow men to marry and have normal BIBLICAL RELATIONSHIPS......

What part doesn't the Catholic Kingship understand about...THE HUSBAND OF ONE WIFE?

Actually some catholics in certain countries in africa and eastern europe get married.

 

[raf]

Actually some catholics in certain countries in africa and eastern europe get married.

Sorry meant to say Catholic priests not catholics just making it clear before someone tries to troll me and look smart.

 

[Mister2Lips]

'Pope Francis has been quoted as saying that reliable data indicates that
"about 2%" of clergy in the Catholic Church are paedophiles.

Two percent (2%), that's it!?! Well, of what is caught or reported.

 

[Last]

Two percent (2%), that's it!?! Well, of what is caught or reported.

No, that would be the estimate of how many actually exist.

 

[Atwood]

Celibacy is hardly unbiblical.

The attempt to be celibate with the spiritual gift is sinful and unbiblical. It is a breaking of the commandment in 1 Cor 7:1-2 that every man (every!) man should have his own wife.

As for why not get rid of it is that the problem still exists. It comes down to two major problems, wnat happens should the priest die and what happens should the priest's spouse leave/die, especially should that priest become a Bishop?

Thanks for elucidating your problem. Of course is it cause by the totally unbiblical priesthood that the RCC has. There is no class of Church priests in the Bible. From what you say in practical terms it gets down to $$$$.

2. The Problem of Annulment or being Widowed
The Catholic Church does not recognize divorce, except in a very few cases. However, there is such a thing as an annulment, the argument that the marriage was never valid due to religious or moral reasons, such as mental immaturity, discovered incest, or the inability to marry (such as bigamy).

Do you mind my sharing with you my opinion that this annulment business is a big hypocrisy, having divorce but giving it some other name. Do you recall the famous Kennedy who ditched his wife by annulment? Was that not a disgrace?

should that same priest fall in love and be remarried, according to a literal understanding of Scripture, that priest can never be a Bishop. The same comes in should the wife die.

Utter nonsense, because there are no priests as you call them in the Bible!

But thanks for sharing with us how you see the matter from your RCC perspective. It was educational. Of course one may weigh the cost of giving retirement benefits to widows as opposed to paying out law suits for child rape.

 

[Atwood]

Because polygamy was rampant in some places.

Regardless of polygamy the command stands: "Husband of one wife, having children who believe."

The bible does not command every man to have a wife. Paul's letters call us all to celibacy and to marry in the case that we cannot be celibate.

False. 1 Cor 7:1-2 orders every man to have his own wife. And why? because fornication is the likely result otherwise. To refuse to get married when one has a sexual itch and does not have the gift of celibacy (nor is there severe persecution) is a big sin.

Celibacy was held in high esteem from the earliest days.

You just make up things. No scripture. There was a sinful ascetism in the Greek environment, the idea that body was evil. Paul attacks it in Colossians.

In the NT there are deacons, priests, and bishops. So yes, there are a special class of 'priests'. We are all priests, but some are called to ministerial priesthood.

No, there is no special class of priests, and your saying it proves nothing. Wherever it occurs it refers to all believers, never a special class with special powers.

Then what do you call the gathering to break bread? The need to be pure when receiving communion.

Christians need to be pure all the time. But the passage with the warning on communion does not address unconfessed sin, but failure to discern that the elements stand for the Body & Blood of the Lord Jesus, eating as if it were a common meal is a serious sin. I can see you guys running from confession to the mass, then having a lustful thought on the way --- so you turn back & run for the confessional; on & on.

That communion is the body and blood of Christ is not pagan. However, the belief that communion is not the body and blood of Christ and is merely symbolic is of Gnostic origin.

Why do you guys think you will be believed just for up & saying things. Where is your proof for such an idea? It goes back to John 6 where the Lord said that the words He spoke were spirit. Just as when Christ said, "I am the door," when He said "I am the Bread of Life," that was also figurative language.

 

[ThomistColin]

Why do you guys think you will be believed just for up & saying things. Where is your proof for such an idea? It goes back to John 6 where the Lord said that the words He spoke were spirit. Just as when Christ said, "I am the door," when He said "I am the Bread of Life," that was also figurative language.

"For my flesh is food indeed and my blood is drink indeed." Also, "He who eats and drinks without discerning the body and blood, eat and drink condemnation on themselves."

We don't just say things.

 

[SonInMe]

If priests were allowed to marry ( whatever term you like to use other than allow if that is a problem ) the pedophilia would not go away.

Talking about celibacy being the cause of pedophilia is ridiculous.

The reason why there are pedophiles as priests is this...easy access to trusting kids.

Happens in protestant churches too

Happens at schools too....pee wee football and baseball and basketball and soccer.

How about accountability. If there is anything the RCC is guilty of its the lack of accountability and making a priest to be exempt from scrutiny.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

That would help somewhat but you have to understand that there is a large subculture of homosexual Catholic priests. Sociologists put the number of gay priests at between 10 and 60 percent (depending on the scope of the study and specific geographical area(s) studied). See: Internet History Sourcebooks Project

Homosexuals began entering the priesthood in great numbers during the 1970's and 1980's and that trend continues today.

Dr. Richard Fitzgibbons, a psychiatrist who has spent years treating sexually abusive priests, stated, “Many psychologists and psychiatrists have shown that there is no link between celibacy and pedophilia. Instead, they have found a 'relationship between homosexuality and pedophilia.'"

Fitzgibbons goes further, saying, “Every priest whom I treated who was involved with children sexually had previously been involved in adult homosexual relationships.”

HOMOSEXUALITY AND SEXUAL ABUSE - Catholic League

If priests were allowed to marry ( whatever term you like to use other than allow if that is a problem ) the pedophilia would not go away.

Talking about celibacy being the cause of pedophilia is ridiculous.

The reason why there are pedophiles as priests is this...easy access to trusting kids.

Happens in protestant churches too

Happens at schools too....pee wee football and baseball and basketball and soccer.

How about accountability. If there is anything the RCC is guilty of its the lack of accountability and making a priest to be exempt from scrutiny.

 

[TheGreatMuted]

That picture is very offensive. You should not post inappropriate content that disparages Catholic people.

 

[Ugly]

That picture is very offensive. You should not post inappropriate content that disparages Catholic people.

So why not report it instead of complain?

 

[Last]

The attempt to be celibate with the spiritual gift is sinful and unbiblical. It is a breaking of the commandment in 1 Cor 7:1-2 that every man (every!) man should have his own wife.

There is no such commandment. You are grossly twisting scripture. Paul taught that all should be celibate EXCEPT those that could not handle temptation.

Do you mind my sharing with you my opinion that this annulment business is a big hypocrisy, having divorce but giving it some other name. Do you recall the famous Kennedy who ditched his wife by annulment? Was that not a disgrace?

Annulment is not a divorce. Annulment pertains to all sacraments of the Catholic Church. It means the thing did not actually take place. If I sneak into an ordination ceremony and get ordained, it does not actually take place!

Utter nonsense, because there are no priests as you call them in the Bible!

Yes, there are. They are called presbyters. Priests is the English derivative of the word.

As for the widows, I know quite a few that have been ripped off by protestants.

 

[Last]

Regardless of polygamy the command stands: "Husband of one wife, having children who believe."

No, let's actually put that into context. If you can translate and work with the Greek, I am happy to do that as well.

False. 1 Cor 7:1-2 orders every man to have his own wife. And why? because fornication is the likely result otherwise. To refuse to get married when one has a sexual itch and does not have the gift of celibacy (nor is there severe persecution) is a big sin.

You should try actually reading the book, it does not command every man to have a wife. Not even the passage you cited makes such a command. stop twisting scripture.

You just make up things. No scripture. There was a sinful ascetism in the Greek environment, the idea that body was evil. Paul attacks it in Colossians.

The idea that the body is evil is Gnosticism, which is not the same as valuing celibacy- SINCE PAUL WISHED US ALL TO BE CELIBATE.

No, there is no special class of priests, and your saying it proves nothing. Wherever it occurs it refers to all believers, never a special class with special powers.

False, unless you think scripture is false. The special class of priests were presbyters.

Christians need to be pure all the time. But the passage with the warning on communion does not address unconfessed sin, but failure to discern that the elements stand for the Body & Blood of the Lord Jesus, eating as if it were a common meal is a serious sin. I can see you guys running from confession to the mass, then having a lustful thought on the way --- so you turn back & run for the confessional; on & on.

No we don't.
You seem to have no idea how Catholicism works. What a surprise.

Why do you guys think you will be believed just for up & saying things. Where is your proof for such an idea? It goes back to John 6 where the Lord said that the words He spoke were spirit. Just as when Christ said, "I am the door," when He said "I am the Bread of Life," that was also figurative language.

Where in scripture did everyone leave Jesus for saying a metaphor?

 

[didymos]

Two percent (2%), that's it!?! Well, of what is caught or reported.

Like I said in my original post, in other words.

 

[Stephen63]

'Pope Francis has been quoted as saying that reliable data indicates that
"about 2%" of clergy in the Catholic Church are paedophiles.

The Pope said that abuse of children was like "leprosy" infecting the Church, according to the Italian La Repubblica newspaper. He vowed to "confront it with the severity it demands". But a Vatican spokesman said the quotes in the newspaper did not correspond to Pope Francis's exact words.'

Source: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28282050

Me thinks that 2% is a pretty low estimate.

2%? Somebody dropped a few zeros?

 

[Stephen63]

Lemme get this straight..... The RCC established this law 900 years ago because of economic reasons? They purposely voted for this because they didn't want to give the home to the widow of a faithful minister? Just for money reasons? I can believe that, considering for years they kept their bibles in Latin so that everyone would be 100% dependent on the clergy & keep them stupid from the truth.

 

[ThomistColin]

Lemme get this straight..... The RCC established this law 900 years ago because of economic reasons? They purposely voted for this because they didn't want to give the home to the widow of a faithful minister? Just for money reasons? I can believe that, considering for years they kept their bibles in Latin so that everyone would be 100% dependent on the clergy & keep them stupid from the truth.

Wow your history is wonky. You do realize the idea that illiteracy was rampant. In fact, its only been in the last 80 years that widespread literacy is common. In the Middle Ages, those who were literate, knew latin, because all of the great writings were in latin. So...probably best to keep it in the language that most understand.

Also, if you honestly read my post and came away with the idea of, "they didn't want to give the widow the house" then reread the post. If you come away with the same thought. I'd suggest actually reading it without your preconceptions.

 

[didymos]

Lemme get this straight.... (...)

If only priests would do the same...