ONCE saved always saved!.

[SeaBass]

1 John 2 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

Christ Is Our Advocate

2 My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous; [SUP]2 [/SUP]and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.

Would you add "if you repent" to the end of verse 1?

"IF" is already in verse 1 and verse 3, which says "And hereby we do know that we know him, "IF" we keep his commandments". The context in 1 Jn 1:7,9 that lead up to 1 Jn 2 contains "IF'----"IF" we walk in the light Christ blood cleanses away all sin, "IF" we confess our sins Christ will forgive.

Jesus commanded repentance, eternal security says repentance is not necessary for eternal security has done away with sin.

 

[Bookends]

Again, I do not excuse my sin, I said my sin will cause me to be lost if I do not repent. 1 Jn 1:7 Christ's blood cleanses away ALL sins IF I continue to walk in the light.

But the thread is not about my sins, it's about the falsehood of eternal security thinking it has eradicated sin completely, that people can commit adultery and still be saved meaning adultery must not be sin.

The Children of God do walk in the light, therefore all (past, present and future) their sins are forgiven by the cleansing of Christ's blood.

Hebrews 10:39
[SUP]39 [/SUP]But we are not of those who shrink back to destruction, but of those who have faith to the preserving of the soul.

 

[SeaBass]

The Children of God do walk in the light, therefore all (past, present and future) their sins are forgiven by the cleansing of Christ's blood.

Hebrews 10:39
[SUP]39 [/SUP]But we are not of those who shrink back to destruction, but of those who have faith to the preserving of the soul.

1 jn 1:7 IF we walk in the light, so Christians must choose to walk in the light and they can choose to quit walking in the light. As Heb 10:39 shows, some can shrink back to destruction, others will keep walking in the light.

in post 635 Why do you make salvation CONDITIONAL upon following God unto death when eternal security says salvation is UNCONDITIONAL and following God is not even necessary?

 

[Cassian]

If we do not believe that once we are saved that we will always be saved, then what hope do we have? Scripture tells us that not one of the children that the Father has given to His son will be lost. Therefore, the way that we should look at this issue has nothing to do with our ability to never sin, for as Paul says we should no longer go on sinning, even though since we are humans we will slip up. But rather, this issue comes down to whether we believe God is capable and able to hold us like He promises. If we believe that God does fulfill His promises, then those that continually sin are in one of two places. They are Christians who are in outright rebellion against God and will eventually be drawn back to God, or they are not Christians and have never been a Christian.

John 6:39 is not about believers. It is about who Christ will raise in the last day. It is an Incarnational verse and aligns with Col 1:20 where everything is given to Christ. If you want to address believers you need the next verse, where it says that of all those that were saved from death and sin by Christ, those who see and believe will be raised to be with Him eternally.

It also address the false notion that you stated regarding that a believer cannot lose faith, thus eternal life. It is ONLYfor those that believe. It is not addressing the many that believed but fell away at some point in their lives.

This false notion that OSAS is in a direct contradiction as to why God created man. God is not goint to do for you what He specificlally created you to do.

 

[Bookends]

"IF" is already in verse 1 and verse 3, which says "And hereby we do know that we know him, "IF" we keep his commandments". The context in 1 Jn 1:7,9 that lead up to 1 Jn 2 contains "IF'----"IF" we walk in the light Christ blood cleanses away all sin, "IF" we confess our sins Christ will forgive.

Jesus commanded repentance, eternal security says repentance is not necessary for eternal security has done away with sin.

No it doesn't, repentance the beginning of Eternal Security, if one doesn't recognize they are fallen and agree with God they are sinners before Him, repentance isn't possible. Where do you come up with this stuff. Again your accusing us with your corrupt version of OSAS. Once saved, a true repentance from a contrite heart, one's heart had a regeneration, one's mind is changed from following the world to following Christ; they are made a new creature in Christ Jesus.

Repentance is the first step after recognizing your a sinner and can't save yourself.

 

[SeaBass]

No it doesn't, repentance the beginning of Eternal Security, if one doesn't recognize they are fallen and agree with God they are sinners before Him, repentance isn't possible. Where do you come up with this stuff. Again your accusing us with your corrupt version of OSAS. Once saved, a true repentance from a contrite heart, one's heart had a regeneration, one's mind is changed from following the world to following Christ; they are made a new creature in Christ Jesus.

Repentance is the first step after recognizing your a sinner and can't save yourself.

Is adultery a sin? Yes No ?

If eternal security is true and a Christian commits adultery, will living in adultery cause that Christian to be lost?

 

[Cassian]

Yet grace is the very reason one is saved.

If one is sinless, he does not need to be saved or have grace.

So are you sinless?? How good are you at this? or do you just excuse your sin because it is not as bad as everyone elses?

Respective of one's relationship with Christ in a Covenant we are not being saved by Grace. We are being saved by Grace through faith. The whole covenant relationship hinges on man's faith. Sinning and living without repentance/confession, because we do sin, is a loss of fatih, thus eternal life.

 

[Bookends]

1 jn 1:7 IF we walk in the light, so Christians must choose to walk in the light and they can choose to quit walking in the light. As Heb 10:39 shows, some can shrink back to destruction, others will keep walking in the light.

in post 635 Why do you make salvation CONDITIONAL upon following God unto death when eternal security says salvation is UNCONDITIONAL and following God is not even necessary?

True followers of Christ follow do follow Him unto death. I believe there are those who say they follow Christ, but don't really in their heart; they only profess Christ to the Church, but do not possess Christ internally.

 

[SeaBass]

True followers of Christ follow do follow Him unto death. I believe there are those who say they follow Christ, but don't really in their heart; they only profess Christ to the Church, but do not possess Christ internally.

The IF in 1 Jn 1:7 shows that a Christian can choose to quit walking in the light. So if a Christian commits and lives in adultery is he still walking in the light and saved?

 

[Bookends]

Is adultery a sin? Yes No ?

If eternal security is true and a Christian commits adultery, will living in adultery cause that Christian to be lost?

Yes it is a Sin. A true Christian who commits adultery will repent. God disciplines His Children. A person claiming to be Christian and lives in sin all their life I would question the authenticity of their repentance and faith. But only God can make that call, He's the only one who can search out the heart and know it (our true motivations).

 

[Atwood]

Prophet Peter Proclaimed Eternal Security

Attn those reading another thread on same subject:

Prophet Pete says in ch 1:

"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy begat us again unto
a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to
an inheritance

incorruptible, and

undefiled, and

that fades not away,

reserved in heaven for you, who

by the power of God are guarded

through faith unto a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time."

 

[SeaBass]

Yes it is a Sin. A true Christian who commits adultery will repent. God disciplines His Children. A person claiming to be Christian and lives in sin all their life I would question the authenticity of their repentance and faith. But only God can make that call, He's the only one who can search out the heart and know it (our true motivations).

Eternal security says salvation is NOT CONDITIONAL upon anything including repentance, so if he will not repent he will be saved anyway. Right?

 

[Atwood]

The IF in 1 Jn 1:7 shows that a Christian can choose to quit walking in the light. So if a Christian commits and lives in adultery is he still walking in the light and saved?

SeaBass, that is called the logical fallacy of "denying the antecedent."

John 10:28
I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, . . .

Anyone who has dismissed the Savior as a chance-giver, is urged to trust the Lord Jesus as his only & sufficient Savior.

Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins.

 

[SeaBass]

Re: Prophet Peter Proclaimed Eternal Security

Attn those reading another thread on same subject:

Prophet Pete says in ch 1:

"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy begat us again unto
a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to
an inheritance

incorruptible, and

undefiled, and

that fades not away,

reserved in heaven for you, who

by the power of God are guarded

through faith unto a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time."

So a Christian can commit adultery all he cares to and can never lose an incorruptible, undefiled inheritance that fades not away that awaits this adulterer in heaven.

 

[SeaBass]

SeaBass, that is called the logical fallacy of "denying the antecedent."

John 10:28
I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, . . .

Anyone who has dismissed the Savior as a chance-giver, is urged to trust the Lord Jesus as his only & sufficient Savior.

Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins.

They will never perish even if they become unfaithful in their hearing and following Christ, Verse 27.

 

[Atwood]

Eternal security says salvation is NOT CONDITIONAL upon anything including repentance, so if he will not repent he will be saved anyway. Right?

Wrong.
Eternal Security merely states that the believer in the Lord Jesus receives eternal life and never perishes.

It may be noted that chastisement is a means of keeping a child of God saved. (see 1 Cor 5).

Do you need to repent, have a change of mind from dismissing the Lord Jesus as Savior, & downgrading Him to "chance-giver." If you don't repent of denying He is the only & sufficient Savior can you be saved anyway?

Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins.

 

[Atwood]

They will never perish even if they become unfaithful in their hearing and following Christ, Verse 27.

There is no "if they become unfaithful."

Focus SeaBass, on the promises of God. Don't get hung up on how He saves if this or that. Believe His promises. Don't let fear of becoming unfaithful hinder you from trusting the Savior. The only hope you have of ever being faithful to God is by trusting the Lord Jesus for a new birth.

Let go of this awful dismissal of the Savior as a mere chance-giver.

Believe His promises: I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish.

Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins.

1 Thes 5 end:
"And the God of peace himself sanctify you wholly; and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved entire, without blame at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Faithful is He Who calls you, Who will also do it.

foreknew>foreordained>called>justified>glorified

 

[SeaBass]

Wrong.
Eternal Security merely states that the believer in the Lord Jesus receives eternal life and never perishes.

This would mean he can commit adultery, not repent and be saved anyway.

It may be noted that chastisement is a means of keeping a child of God saved. (see 1 Cor 5).

Do you need to repent, have a change of mind from dismissing the Lord Jesus as Savior, & downgrading Him to "chance-giver." If you don't repent of denying He is the only & sufficient Savior can you be saved anyway?

Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins.

...and if chastisement does not work?

 

[SeaBass]

There is no "if they become unfaithful."

Focus SeaBass, on the promises of God. Don't get hung up on how He saves if this or that. Believe His promises. Don't let fear of becoming unfaithful hinder you from trusting the Savior. The only hope you have of ever being faithful to God is by trusting the Lord Jesus for a new birth.

Let go of this awful dismissal of the Savior as a mere chance-giver.

Believe His promises: I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish.

Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins.

1 Thes 5 end:
"And the God of peace himself sanctify you wholly; and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved entire, without blame at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Faithful is He Who calls you, Who will also do it.

foreknew>foreordained>called>justified>glorified

They choose of their own free will to hear and follow therefore they can choose of their own free will to quit hearing and following. There is no guarantee one will even hear and follow as there is no guarantee one will never quit hearing and following.

So verse 28 cannot be a guarantee when there is no guarantee one will never quit hearing and following.

 

[Cassian]

Re: Prophet Peter Proclaimed Eternal Security

Attn those reading another thread on same subject:

Prophet Pete says in ch 1:

"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy begat us again unto
a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to
an inheritance

incorruptible, and

undefiled, and

that fades not away,

reserved in heaven for you, who

by the power of God are guarded

through faith unto a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time."

You keep citing this text and it refutes your whole theory of OSAS. You fail to enlarge and color the most important phrase in that text which is "through faith". God does absoluetly nothing without OUR faith. If we lose faith, one no longer has the power of God. Can you cite another text that also states God continues to give power to a person who does not have faith?