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Skinski, how about focusing on God's word instead of the old pontification route?
While some digress on rabbit paths, why not focus on God's Word?:
Romans 11:29
For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.
1 John 5:13
I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.
Philippians 1:6
And I am sure of this, that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ.
To any who have written off the Lord Jesus as a mere chance-giver, I urge you to trust the Savior today.
"Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins."
While some digress on rabbit paths, why not focus on God's Word?:
Romans 11:29
For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.
1 John 5:13
I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.
Philippians 1:6
And I am sure of this, that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ.
To any who have written off the Lord Jesus as a mere chance-giver, I urge you to trust the Savior today.
"Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins."
I don't think anyone disagrees with that. A true believer will be saved, guaranteed. God will not renege on His promise, He does not change. But we can change, a believer can become a non-believer and lose faith. There is also a non-forgivable sin that believers can violate. Ananias and Sapphira were believers (Acts 4).
The problem I have with OSAS is that many take it as a license to sin. Just say "I believe" and your free pass into heaven is stamped. This can be very misleading to new Christians, it practically endorses hypocrisy. We've all known people who wear their religion on their sleeve, but I think God know those who profess Him with their mouth from those who profess Him with their heart. jmo
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Re: Salvation 102 Many Questions Are Being Raised on Salvation
Well that's what you say. Is it not remarkable how you just go on saying things & proving nothing?
The word says a lot in Rom 1-3, including:
"There is none that does good, no not one.
Note also: "All our righteousnesses are as filthy rags."
"But the wicked are like the troubled sea; for it cannot rest, and its waters cast up mire and dirt. There is no peace, saith my God, to the wicked."
"All we like sheep have gone astray, we have turned everyone to his own way ."
"The heart is deceitful above all things and desperately wicked"
"the scripture has concluded all under sin."
O generation of vipers, who has warned you from the wrath to come?
Gen 4:7 says nothing different.
Because man is so wicked, man requires a Savior; man's filthy rag works only condemn him. Thus salvation may not be by works.
Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins.
Well that's what you say. Is it not remarkable how you just go on saying things & proving nothing?
The word says a lot in Rom 1-3, including:
"There is none that does good, no not one.
Note also: "All our righteousnesses are as filthy rags."
"But the wicked are like the troubled sea; for it cannot rest, and its waters cast up mire and dirt. There is no peace, saith my God, to the wicked."
"All we like sheep have gone astray, we have turned everyone to his own way ."
"The heart is deceitful above all things and desperately wicked"
"the scripture has concluded all under sin."
O generation of vipers, who has warned you from the wrath to come?
Gen 4:7 says nothing different.
Because man is so wicked, man requires a Savior; man's filthy rag works only condemn him. Thus salvation may not be by works.
Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins.
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In other words, You excuse your habitual sin, All you have to do is say I am sorry. I did not mean it. Talk about an easy way to heaven
No. this thread is about the false precept that my minor sins are not as bad as adultry So he will go to hell, I will not.
David was an adulterer, AFTER God says he was a man after his own heart, AFTER God chose him to be king. AFTER God made a covenant with him.
You see, God made all thes things about david (including saving him and making him his child) KNOWING david would commit adultry and murder.
I know I know. David repented. That is not the point, True children of God do repent. Not to be resaved because they understand they have hurt their father.
But you can not understand this. God is not your father, Your father is not God. He is you.
No. this thread is about the false precept that my minor sins are not as bad as adultry So he will go to hell, I will not.
David was an adulterer, AFTER God says he was a man after his own heart, AFTER God chose him to be king. AFTER God made a covenant with him.
You see, God made all thes things about david (including saving him and making him his child) KNOWING david would commit adultry and murder.
I know I know. David repented. That is not the point, True children of God do repent. Not to be resaved because they understand they have hurt their father.
But you can not understand this. God is not your father, Your father is not God. He is you.
When did I ever say Christians don't go through transformation? Calling me a religious imposter doesn't encourage me to converse with you, it's not the first time you accused me. It's obvious you don't read everything I write, therefore maybe it's safe to assume you don't read everything in the Word either, I don't know.
This package you accuse me of preaching, does come with a changed heart and new direction. I never said it's impossible to obey God, I simply admit I don't succeed 100% of time. I would also add that it is impossible to obey without HS helping me along the way. Do you walk in the Spirit 100% time?
This package you accuse me of preaching, does come with a changed heart and new direction. I never said it's impossible to obey God, I simply admit I don't succeed 100% of time. I would also add that it is impossible to obey without HS helping me along the way. Do you walk in the Spirit 100% time?
Go ahead and quit, see what happens. If you are truly saved you'll be walking against your new nature and it will make you a miserable person. If you can quit, and it's easy for you, then you never had Christ to being with....
So go ahead and quit, see how far you can go before the Lord's discipline and convictions rail against your heart.
BTW, the believer needs those adverse circumstances in their life, it separates the true and faithful from the ones who give only lip service.
So go ahead and quit, see how far you can go before the Lord's discipline and convictions rail against your heart.
BTW, the believer needs those adverse circumstances in their life, it separates the true and faithful from the ones who give only lip service.
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I help who I am able to help, I do not have the resources to help everyone. I help as I have opportunity to help, Gal 6;10. I put money in the collection plate every Sunday and some of that money goes to buy food, clothes, etc that is then distributed to those in the community that need assistance. Besides this, I already pay far more than my so called "fair share" in taxes that is suppose to go and help the "poor" in this country.........but a lot go to those that abled-body and simply do not want to work.
I am under the great commission to go and teaching lost souls, leading people out of error and to the truth of Christ's gospel.
I am able to multi-task and do both, help/visit the poor and spread the gospel.
[I will add that probably 99% of the time I post on this forum I am work where I cannot go anywhere but have to stay in the office. I do visiting after work hours]
But of course, many on here tell me I am trying to earn my salvation by doing these things for a Christian has no works to do to maintain salvation. Are you of this group?
I am under the great commission to go and teaching lost souls, leading people out of error and to the truth of Christ's gospel.
I am able to multi-task and do both, help/visit the poor and spread the gospel.
[I will add that probably 99% of the time I post on this forum I am work where I cannot go anywhere but have to stay in the office. I do visiting after work hours]
But of course, many on here tell me I am trying to earn my salvation by doing these things for a Christian has no works to do to maintain salvation. Are you of this group?
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That's Acts 5, I'm not sure this is a good proof text against OSAS. For 1, we don't know if Ananias or Sapphira were saved and 2, we are not sure if their souls went to hell. They could have lost their earthly life in punishment for lying to the HS. Surely Moses earthly life was taken early for his disobedience and he couldn't enter the promise land. This also could have been a lesson to show the church to revere God, and not take Him casually.
Your not going to make the notion that Moses was lost, are you?
Your not going to make the notion that Moses was lost, are you?
There you go again throwing out accusations, stating that those who believe in OSAS don't have works. True Christians do good works as a result of their salvation, not to gain or keep salvation. It's a by product. We work from the position we have in Christ, not for it. The book of James tells us we can know who may be a true follower by their works. Those who have no works have a dead faith (James 2:18-19). The bible clearly says we are saved unto good works (Eph 2:10).
Belief is not thinking you believe, want to believe, saying you believe, doubt that you believe, talking about believing, maybe believe, etc. as I said, when you truly believe in Jesus, you are saved, and you will know it. No one who believes in Eternal Security, believes that he has a license to sin. That is the testimony of a person who one who is as lost as the rock that I threw in the river when I was a child. I no longer have any desire to sin, but God knows I will. It is for that reason he sent me a Savior.
There is one sin that is unforgivable. It is the sin of unbelief. If you are saved, you can not have that sin.
There is one sin that is unforgivable. It is the sin of unbelief. If you are saved, you can not have that sin.
1 Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
I have seen some who mistakenly think John is saying that it is impossible for the Christian to sin, but that contradicts what John says in 1 Jn 1:6-10.
When John says cannot sin does not mean impossible to sin. The law may say you cannot drive over 55mph but that does not mean it is impossible for you to drive over 55mph. The present tense verbs indicates John is sayng one who has become a Christian cannot continue to live in sin, live a sinful lifestyle. If one who lives in adultery (or whatever sin) becomes a Christian, then he cannot continue to live in that adultery (or whatever sin) he must get out of it.
Paul's words to the Corinthians:
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
Paul says "such WERE some of you" Paul is not saying those Corinthians were perfectly sinless but they had quit continuing living in various sins. Same it true to what Paul said the Ephesians in Eph 2 where the Ephesians before becoming Christians "walked according to the course of this world, had their conversation of life in the flesh of this world" but they did not continue that sinful walk/course having become Christians. Where they perfectly sinless? No, but as long as they walk in the light Christ blood cleanses away all sins.
1 Jn 5:18,19 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not. And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.
Similar idea as sinneth not is present tense one cannot become a Christian and continue to live as a sinner, live a sinful lifestyle. Note that one born of God KEEPETH HIMSELF. What does this mean? The Christian has the responsibility to keep himself from living a lifestyle in sin (v21 admonished to keep himself from idols) less he become lost. Jude commands the Christian to keep himself in the love of God Jude 1:21.
I have seen some who mistakenly think John is saying that it is impossible for the Christian to sin, but that contradicts what John says in 1 Jn 1:6-10.
When John says cannot sin does not mean impossible to sin. The law may say you cannot drive over 55mph but that does not mean it is impossible for you to drive over 55mph. The present tense verbs indicates John is sayng one who has become a Christian cannot continue to live in sin, live a sinful lifestyle. If one who lives in adultery (or whatever sin) becomes a Christian, then he cannot continue to live in that adultery (or whatever sin) he must get out of it.
Paul's words to the Corinthians:
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
Paul says "such WERE some of you" Paul is not saying those Corinthians were perfectly sinless but they had quit continuing living in various sins. Same it true to what Paul said the Ephesians in Eph 2 where the Ephesians before becoming Christians "walked according to the course of this world, had their conversation of life in the flesh of this world" but they did not continue that sinful walk/course having become Christians. Where they perfectly sinless? No, but as long as they walk in the light Christ blood cleanses away all sins.
1 Jn 5:18,19 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not. And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.
Similar idea as sinneth not is present tense one cannot become a Christian and continue to live as a sinner, live a sinful lifestyle. Note that one born of God KEEPETH HIMSELF. What does this mean? The Christian has the responsibility to keep himself from living a lifestyle in sin (v21 admonished to keep himself from idols) less he become lost. Jude commands the Christian to keep himself in the love of God Jude 1:21.