God didn't think it robbery to be equal to Himself

[Shubee]

Daniel 11-12 is NOT an alternative ending,

Isn't the little horn of Daniel 8 the same person as the last king of the north in Daniel 11? Yes. See The Ends of Time, pp. 72-73. However, in Daniel 8 and 9 the tyrant prince destroyed the city and the sanctuary but in Daniel 11 that same tyrant only profanes the sanctuary. That's the classic meaning of an alternative ending.

And how do you get to be IN CHRIST?

I will happily speak of my own experience. I was chosen. I didn't follow any sort of formula.

 

[Ukorin]

Isn't the little horn of Daniel 8 the same person as the last king of the north in Daniel 11? Yes. See The Ends of Time, pp. 72-73. However, in Daniel 8 and 9 the tyrant prince destroyed the city and the sanctuary but in Daniel 11 that same tyrant only profanes the sanctuary. That's the classic meaning of an alternative ending.

They are not the same person. Where would you get that from?
Oh! You haven't yet read about what a 'type' is in Scripture.
Parallel figures and events.

These are two characters with many parallels, both also speaking of the Antichrist.

 

[Shubee]

They are not the same person. Where would you get that from?

I got that from the enormous number of parallels between the tyrant prince of Daniel 8 & 9 & 11 cited in The Ends of Time, pp. 72-73.

 

[Shubee]

Parallel figures and events.

How can the last king of the divided Greek kingdom in Daniel 8 not be the last king of the northern kingdom of the divided Greek kingdom in Daniel 11, where the first tyrant destroys the city and the sanctuary but the tyrant of Daniel 11 only profanes the sanctuary?

 

[Shubee]

These are two characters with many parallels,

Yes, like living at the same time and ruling the same kingdom.

 

[posthuman]

um, i don't know if 15 pages have been able to go by without someone mentioning it, but you might want to look at the context of Philippians 2:6.

Jesus, although He did not think it blasphemous to be considered equal to God (He forgave sins, and did not rebuke men who openly worshiped Him) - although it is right for Him to be thought equal to God, He set aside His glory and stepped down to become flesh, and pitch His tent among us.

that is why the preceding sentence is about meekness, and self-sacrifice, no?

If, then, any exhortation [is] in Christ, if any comfort of love, if any fellowship of spirit, if any bowels and mercies,
fulfil ye my joy, that ye may mind the same thing -- having the same love -- of one soul -- minding the one thing,
nothing in rivalry or vain-glory, but in humility of mind one another counting more excellent than yourselves --
each not to your own look ye, but each also to the things of others.
For, let this mind be in you that [is] also in Christ Jesus,
who, being in the form of God, thought [it] not robbery to be equal to God,
but did empty himself, the form of a servant having taken, in the likeness of men having been made,
and in fashion having been found as a man, he humbled himself, having become obedient unto death -- death even of a cross,
wherefore, also, God did highly exalt him, and gave to him a name that [is] above every name,
that in the name of Jesus every knee may bow -- of heavenlies, and earthlies, and what are under the earth --
and every tongue may confess that Jesus Christ [is] Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
(Philippians 2:1-11, YLT)

 

[posthuman]

Again doth the Devil take him to a very high mount, and doth shew to him all the kingdoms of the world and the glory of them,
and saith to him, `All these to thee I will give, if falling down thou mayest bow to me.'
Then saith Jesus to him, `Go -- Adversary, for it hath been written, The Lord thy God thou shalt bow to, and Him only thou shalt serve.'
Then doth the Devil leave him, and lo, messengers came and were ministering to him.

(Matthew 4:8-11)

 

[posthuman]

no one hath gone up to the heaven,
except he who out of the heaven came down
-- the Son of Man who is in the heaven.

(John 3:13)

 

[Ukorin]

How can the last king of the divided Greek kingdom in Daniel 8 not be the last king of the northern kingdom of the divided Greek kingdom in Daniel 11, where the first tyrant destroys the city and the sanctuary but the tyrant of Daniel 11 only profanes the sanctuary?

If God gave Daniel a prophecy, and it did not come true,
then God is a false prophet by His own test.

Deuteronomy 18:19-22

19 And whoever will not listen to my words that he shall speak in my name, I myself will require it of him. 20 But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in my name that I have not commanded him to speak, or[a] who speaks in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die.’ 21 And if you say in your heart, ‘How may we know the word that the Lord has not spoken?’— 22 when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word that the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously. You need not be afraid of him.

By your interpretation, either God lied, or Daniel was a false prophet.

That is why we don't trust the Millerite interpretation, because it goes against what is clear in the Word.

God does not lie.
If your interpretation has God lying, then it is wrong.

 

[Ukorin]

This test is the very reason that Miller was not of God. The prophecy he spoke did not come to pass.
False prophet, and a fool.
And who is worse, the fool or his followers?

 

[Shubee]

um, i don't know if 15 pages have been able to go by without someone mentioning it, but you might want to look at the context of Philippians 2:6.

Jesus, although He did not think it blasphemous to be considered equal to God (He forgave sins, and did not rebuke men who openly worshiped Him) - although it is right for Him to be thought equal to God, He set aside His glory and stepped down to become flesh, and pitch His tent among us.

Shouldn't we leave Trinitarianism to antichrist and let him play makebelieve in his unique special style of making up whatever he wants the Bible to mean?

 

[Ukorin]

Shouldn't we leave Trinitarianism to antichrist and let him play makebelieve in his unique special style of making up whatever he wants the Bible to mean?

It is odd that a Millerite would bring up antichrist at all.

You should connect Deuteronomy 18:19-22 with 1 John 4:1-3
Maybe then you will realize who the spirit of antichrist was in.

*hint* false prophet, and one denying who Jesus Christ was and is. Rhymes with Billiam Tiller.

 

[Shubee]

If God gave Daniel a prophecy, and it did not come true,
then God is a false prophet by His own test.

Or perhaps you don't understand God's purpose? Was God obligated to fulfill all of Deu 28:15-68 or could He show some mercy and select whatever options from His promise that He wanted?

 

[Ukorin]

Or perhaps you don't understand God's purpose? Was God obligated to fulfill all of Deu 28:15-68 or could He show some mercy and select whatever options from His promise that He wanted?

And you know and comprehend the Will of God?
You claim that God was giving Daniel His options?

You are more deluded than I had expected.
I will pray for you,
but how can I continue to debate when you have no discernment?

Your doctrine is based on misunderstanding. When you come to realize that God has a plan, and that God does not lie or deceive, then you will come to the truth.

 

[Shubee]

It is odd that a Millerite would bring up antichrist at all.

You should connect Deuteronomy 18:19-22 with 1 John 4:1-3
Maybe then you will realize who the spirit of antichrist was in.

I'm not aware that William Miller ever spoke "in the name of the Lord." Please post a quote. It's widely known however that William Miller was an ordained Baptist minister so I suppose that William Miller acknowledged that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh. There is no evidence to show that Miller denied it! So by 1 John 4:2, William Miller is from God.

So yes, now I recognize the antichrist spirit. That would be your lying spirit attempting to slander a brother in Christ.

 

[Shubee]

And you know and comprehend the Will of God?

Obviously better than you.

You claim that God was giving Daniel His options?

Wow! Is that the only way you can win an argument? You have to put words in my mouth? Why not just answer my questions?

Was God obligated to fulfill all of Deu 28:15-68 or could He show some mercy and select whatever options from His promise that He wanted?

 

[Shubee]

This test is the very reason that Miller was not of God. The prophecy he spoke did not come to pass.
False prophet, and a fool.
And who is worse, the fool or his followers?

You don't realize it but you're calling Jesus and many of God's prophets fools. You should repent of that and then realize that it's frequently the case that conditional prophecies are not fulfilled. Here are some examples.

 

[posthuman]

for the record, infinite-dimensional Analysis is quite far from being "trivial."

A measure is defined as a nonnegative real function from a delta-ring

such that
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[TR]
[TD="align: left"]

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[/TR]
[/TABLE]

where

is the empty set, and
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[TR]
[TD="align: left"]

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[TD="width: 3, align: right"](2)[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

for any finite or countable collection of pairwise disjoint sets

in

such that

is also in

.
If

is

-finite and

is bounded, then

can be extended uniquely to a measure defined on the

-algebra generated by

.

(cited from WolframMathWorld)

can anyone show me a countable collection of pairwise disjoint sets whose union is equal to God,
and another countable collection of pairwise disjoint sets whose union is equal to Christ,
all of which are contained in a field F ?
without these, infinite or not, you cannot form a measure on God the Father and Jesus the Son.

with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
(Matthew 7:2)

 

[posthuman]

Shouldn't we leave Trinitarianism to antichrist and let him play makebelieve in his unique special style of making up whatever he wants the Bible to mean?

should i ignore the rest of your statement and every other thing you have ever posted, and focus only on a few words out of only one sentence you wrote?

you said "let him play" --- a direct 'quote' -- i guess i am free to preach that you don't believe in bedtime?

or is context important? is understanding everything you say as a whole important?

 

[Shubee]

If your interpretation has God lying, then it is wrong.

My interpretation is that Daniel and Revelation contain many conditional details. I propose that God's intentions and the prophecies of prophets are always honorable.