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AgeofKnowledge
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It wasn't meant as a strong analogy but rather used to demonstrate to you how far from reality your own analogous attempt was.
If you seriously think that a sectarian civil war in an Islamic country with 21 million people is representative of the entire world with respect to the issue of gun control, then you are as ignorant as the Manson "family" with respect to your own ability to reason.
Obviously Mexico is a much better environment to weigh the consequences of gun control in society. First of all, they actually implemented gun control so the consequences can be assessed. Secondly, their population and land mass are big enough to provide a reasonable analysis. Thirdly, their government collects statistics and allows independent organizations to collect statistics resulting in a rich amount of data to analyze. Fourthly, they are not at war with another nation or nations nor involved in a civil war by revolutionaries looking to overthrow the government which is necessary as a control.
I can see that speaking with you means I must continually repeat myself because apparently you do not read much of what I post.
Let's try this again:
"Mexico's population is just over 112 million or around a third of ours and has many more gun murderers per year than the U.S.. But this wasn't always so. Gun murder shot upward after the law abiding citizenry were disarmed by the government yielding exactly the opposite result intended."
Mexican criminal drug organizations have operated in Mexico since 1933 when prohibition came to an end and have been smuggling narcotics into the U.S. on a major scale since the 1960s. Read: Vulliamy, Ed. Amexica: War Along the Borderline. New York: Farrar, Straus and Giroux, 2010.
It wasn't until 1971 that Mexico restricted, via Reformed Article 10, the lawful right of Mexican citizens to carry firearms outside of their home (e.g. in public) and began to severely restrict what kind of firearms they could own and over time this was interpreted by Mexican courts to be very restrictive.
The primary reason for the rise in Mexican gun violence occurred because the law abiding citizens of Mexico were almost completely disarmed by the government and no long able to act as a powerful deterrent and extension of justice in Mexico to the illegally armed criminals and criminal organizations.
They were disempowered by the government to the point that they are now powerless to the extent that the cartels simply snatch their children and harvest their organs for sale and they can't do anything to stop it.
As I stated, it's gotten so bad that Mexico has recently begun loosening up their strict gun policy and allowing some of their citizenry to arm themselves again. In the areas that has occurred, cartel activity went way down. Citizen militias actually helped capture two cartel leaders and put a number of cartel cells into prison and caskets.
The cartels certainly are not snatching children in those areas.
Read: The New Government War On U.S. Gun Owners ~ Help Fix America First
Pay attention to quotes like this:
"There has clearly been a long and well-documented history of arms smuggling from the U.S., Central and South American countries, China which is the 2nd largest manufacturer of firearms in the world, and other countries which include South Korea, Israeli, and Russia and the eastern bloc; however, it is important to recognize that while the U.S. is a significant source for certain classes of weapons and ammunition the U.S. is not the primary source for the military grade weapons used by Mexican cartels and illegally armed crime groups in Mexico which account for 50% of all gun murder in Mexico."
and this:
"For actual criminals (not to be confused with good people bad laws have criminalized) will always have access to firearms in a nation and populace the size of ours even if they have to make them. Fully automatic firearms can be made from hardware store items. A shotgun can be made with a construction stapler and pipe. Even minors have made zip guns from old door knobs.
And though prohibition doesn't work on a non-island large land mass with a population the size of the USA (even uber-totalitarian China where statistics are greatly masked to present the PRC in the best possible light, all private ownership of firearms are strictly prohibited, and to commit a crime with a gun usually results in a swift death sentence has a serious rising gun violence problem), if it did, criminals can simply resort to other weapons or make IEDs and bombs instead."
All people like you do is put good people at serious risk from very bad people. Nothing more.
If you seriously think that a sectarian civil war in an Islamic country with 21 million people is representative of the entire world with respect to the issue of gun control, then you are as ignorant as the Manson "family" with respect to your own ability to reason.
Obviously Mexico is a much better environment to weigh the consequences of gun control in society. First of all, they actually implemented gun control so the consequences can be assessed. Secondly, their population and land mass are big enough to provide a reasonable analysis. Thirdly, their government collects statistics and allows independent organizations to collect statistics resulting in a rich amount of data to analyze. Fourthly, they are not at war with another nation or nations nor involved in a civil war by revolutionaries looking to overthrow the government which is necessary as a control.
I can see that speaking with you means I must continually repeat myself because apparently you do not read much of what I post.
Let's try this again:
"Mexico's population is just over 112 million or around a third of ours and has many more gun murderers per year than the U.S.. But this wasn't always so. Gun murder shot upward after the law abiding citizenry were disarmed by the government yielding exactly the opposite result intended."
Mexican criminal drug organizations have operated in Mexico since 1933 when prohibition came to an end and have been smuggling narcotics into the U.S. on a major scale since the 1960s. Read: Vulliamy, Ed. Amexica: War Along the Borderline. New York: Farrar, Straus and Giroux, 2010.
It wasn't until 1971 that Mexico restricted, via Reformed Article 10, the lawful right of Mexican citizens to carry firearms outside of their home (e.g. in public) and began to severely restrict what kind of firearms they could own and over time this was interpreted by Mexican courts to be very restrictive.
The primary reason for the rise in Mexican gun violence occurred because the law abiding citizens of Mexico were almost completely disarmed by the government and no long able to act as a powerful deterrent and extension of justice in Mexico to the illegally armed criminals and criminal organizations.
They were disempowered by the government to the point that they are now powerless to the extent that the cartels simply snatch their children and harvest their organs for sale and they can't do anything to stop it.
As I stated, it's gotten so bad that Mexico has recently begun loosening up their strict gun policy and allowing some of their citizenry to arm themselves again. In the areas that has occurred, cartel activity went way down. Citizen militias actually helped capture two cartel leaders and put a number of cartel cells into prison and caskets.
The cartels certainly are not snatching children in those areas.
Read: The New Government War On U.S. Gun Owners ~ Help Fix America First
Pay attention to quotes like this:
"There has clearly been a long and well-documented history of arms smuggling from the U.S., Central and South American countries, China which is the 2nd largest manufacturer of firearms in the world, and other countries which include South Korea, Israeli, and Russia and the eastern bloc; however, it is important to recognize that while the U.S. is a significant source for certain classes of weapons and ammunition the U.S. is not the primary source for the military grade weapons used by Mexican cartels and illegally armed crime groups in Mexico which account for 50% of all gun murder in Mexico."
and this:
"For actual criminals (not to be confused with good people bad laws have criminalized) will always have access to firearms in a nation and populace the size of ours even if they have to make them. Fully automatic firearms can be made from hardware store items. A shotgun can be made with a construction stapler and pipe. Even minors have made zip guns from old door knobs.
And though prohibition doesn't work on a non-island large land mass with a population the size of the USA (even uber-totalitarian China where statistics are greatly masked to present the PRC in the best possible light, all private ownership of firearms are strictly prohibited, and to commit a crime with a gun usually results in a swift death sentence has a serious rising gun violence problem), if it did, criminals can simply resort to other weapons or make IEDs and bombs instead."
All people like you do is put good people at serious risk from very bad people. Nothing more.
