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This is at least one of 3 threads going on same subject.

So I pop over here to post some evidence. Over at the (current) original site, I have answered all kinds of objections. So, it would be a weariness to chew the same tobacco 20 times.

Link to original discussion below:

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/91892-satanic-heresy-deny-eternal-security.html

Let's read some verses that are clear:

< John 10
I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish.

Jehovah redeems the soul of his servants;
And none of them that take refuge in him shall be condemned.

Rom 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them who are in Christ Jesus.

Ps 52
But as for me, I am like a green olive-tree in the house of God:
I trust in the lovingkindness of God for ever and ever.
I will give thee thanks forever,
because You have done it;

1 Thes 5 end:
"And the God of peace himself sanctify you wholly; and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved entire, without blame at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. Faithful is He Who calls you, Who will also do it.

Col 3
When Christ, who is our life, shall be manifested, then shall ye also with him be manifested in glory.

2 Thes 2:16
Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God our Father who loved us and gave us eternal comfort and good hope through grace,

End of Rom 8:
And we know that to them that love God all things work together for good, even to them that are called according to his purpose. For whom
he foreknew,
he also foreordained to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren: and whom
he foreordained, them
he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom
he justified, them
he also glorified.

31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who is against us? 3He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not also with him freely give us all things? Who shall lay anything to the charge of God’s elect? It is God that justifieth; who is he that condemneth? It is Christ Jesus that died, yea rather, that was raised from the dead, who is at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or anguish, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? Even as it is written,
For thy sake we are killed all the day long;
We were accounted as sheep for the slaughter.

Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

< 1 Pet 1
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy begat us again unto a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, unto an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, who by the power of God are guarded through faith unto a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

THE OVERCOMER
Revelation 3:5
The one who overcomes will be clothed thus in white garments, and
I will never blot his name out of the book of life. I will confess his name before my Father… 1 John 5:4-5 For whatsoever is begotten of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith. And
who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God? For everyone who has been born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.

And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of the throne saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he shall dwell with them, and they shall be his peoples, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God: and he shall wipe away every tear from their eyes; and death shall be no more; neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain, any more: the first things are passed away. And he that sitteth on the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he saith, Write: for these words are faithful and true. And he said unto me, They are come to pass. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
He who overcomes shall inherit
these things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. But for the fearful, and unbelieving, and abominable, and murderers, and fornicators, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, their part shall be in the lake that burneth with fire and brimstone; which is the second death.


Trust in the Lord, O troubled soul;
Rest in the arms of His care
 
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Sorry about that bump that post 799.I must have not copied and pasted the verses correctly.
 
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Actually sis, Respectfuly, you need to study more. You claiming God will save someone he KNOWS will continue to live in sin. which causes two problems.

1. It mocks and denies the omniscience of God
2. It makes God out to make a mistake giving a gift, and not knowing they would fall into sin.
3. It makes salvation based on the law. Not on grace.
Bro,

I am not understanding " You claiming God will save someone He knows will continue to live in sin." I think we can all agree that as long as we hold this human body we will be in Sin. Human nature is sin. We live in the Kingdom of Satan. He is the ruler of this World, not the Lord. Therefore we are living among sin. We sin every single day. The key word is intentionally. That is the reason we needed salvation in the first place. This is not mocking God.

And nowhere in my previous statement did I state "God will save someone He knows will continue to live in sin."

And in fact my original statement makes Salvation to be based on grace. The all knowing God, knowing that we would continue to fail Him, decided to send His only son to die for me and you. That my friend is Grace not the Law.

Be bless eternally!
 
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EG and Atwood, the Pharisees were doing what they were commanded by God to do. Preach the laws from the scrolls, but they got caught up in their control and power that they did just like a lot of preachers do even now days. Use the preaching for financial or personal gain.

They did not do it for the love of God. Because their greed and personal pride blinded them they hardened their hearts to the truth which is why they could not see Jesus for who He was.

Jesus called them hypocrites for this because they preached the law, but put heavy burdens on others that was not of God's will and thought only of themselves and not others.

So Jesus pointed them out in front of others telling them to do as they say ( law of God ), but do not do as they do ( pervert the word for self importance, gain, power, control, and self-gratifying.

The pharisees rejected Christ because they did not think they needed a savior. There works made them holy. Thats why a man named SAUL killed christians, Until Christ set him straight.

The phairsees were mad aty jesus (like most legalists) because he told them all their hard work at following the law meant zero zip nada as far as salvation is concerned.
 
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I was pointing out logizomai does not mean a 'transfusion' of Christ's righteousness into the sinner.

1 Jn 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

What you do is what you are. If you do God's righteousness then you are righteous, If you do not do God's righteousness then you are unrighteous. Abraham was RECKONED righteousness because he DID righteousness in obeying God. Heb 11:8.17


Heb 11:4
By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.

1 jn 3;12
Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

Why was Able righteous? He did righteousness in obeying God in his offering

Why was Cain wicked? Because he did unrighteousness.


People are not labeled "righteous" or "unrighteous" for some unknown reason or randomly or because one was randomly "infused" with Christ's righteousness, but people are counted, reckoned, have righteousness put on their account for DOING RIGHTEOUSNESS
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People are labeled "righteousness" because of faith in Jesus Christ. Righteousness is put on their account not for some unknown reason or randomly, nor because of works but because of their faith in Jesus Christ. Faith is not a blind thing for faith begins with knowledge. [Romans 10:17] It is not a speculative thing for faith believes facts of which it is sure. It is not an unpractical, dreamy thing for faith trusts and stakes its destiny upon the truth of revelation. Faith is believing that Christ is what He is said to be and that He will do what He has promised to do. Firmly believe that "blood of Jesus Christ, God's dear Son cleanseth us from all sin" that HIS sacrifice is complete and fully accepted of God on man's behalf, so that he that believeth on Jesus is not condemned. TRUST - We should commit ourselves to the merciful God; rest our hope on gracious gospel; trust our souls on the dying and living Saviour; wash away our sins in the atoning blood; accept HIS perfect righteousness and all is well. No one who has trusted, truly trusted in the Lord Jesus has ever been cast out for He has promised to cast out none that come to Him. .

Again - Is it possible to become "unborn" of your earthly parents because you turn your back on them or does their "seed" remain in you?
 

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the Pharisees were doing what they were commanded by God to do.
Kenneth, what leads you to suppose that the Pharisees had a commandment from God to do something? When did God give that group a mandate? Why do you call them "preachers"?

So Jesus pointed them out in front of others telling them to do as they say ( law of God ),
But we have many examples of what they said, which was not the law of God. They set aside God's law and followed their religious traditions. We see them ever at loggerheads with the Lord Jesus. He did not do as they said, neither did he have his disciples do as they said. Thus I take it as sarcasm, the statement about them sitting in Moses seat, etc.
 

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Bro,
as we hold this human body we will be in Sin.
But it is not because of having a body that we sin. Some forms of Greek philosophy considered the body evil, but not scripture. The Body for the Christian is the temple of the Holy Spirit and is to be used for the Lord's service. The body is not the "flesh," nor "the members."

Human nature is sin.
It is noted that you are just saying things, but not proving from the Bible. Yes, Adamic human nature is sinful, the residence of sin (Romans 7). But the Christian has a transformed human nature by new birth & is begotten of God. The New Human nature is neither sin nor sinful. The Christian does retain his old human nature, the Old Man. Sin dwells in the flesh = the Old Human Nature.

We live in the Kingdom of Satan. He is the ruler of this World, not the Lord.
What is your scripture for that one, post-resurrection of Christ? How about "a ruler"?

And in fact my original statement makes Salvation to be based on grace. The all knowing God, knowing that we would continue to fail Him, decided to send His only son to die for me and you. That my friend is Grace not the Law.
Great final statement above.

May the Lord bless you in every way.
 

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If you do not know the daily struggle of the new nature in Christ warring against the old nature of the flesh I would be very concerned. Paul struggled as do we on a daily basis. The closer we draw to Christ and the more we are conformed to His image the greater the struggle against the corruption of this body of flesh.

When all the straw men are burned away by Gods truth we will see those who profess and those who possess. I fear that many more profess than possess.

For the cause of Christ
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People are labeled "righteousness" because of faith in Jesus Christ. Righteousness is put on their account not for some unknown reason or randomly, nor because of works but because of their faith in Jesus Christ. Faith is not a blind thing for faith begins with knowledge. [Romans 10:17] It is not a speculative thing for faith believes facts of which it is sure. It is not an unpractical, dreamy thing for faith trusts and stakes its destiny upon the truth of revelation. Faith is believing that Christ is what He is said to be and that He will do what He has promised to do. Firmly believe that "blood of Jesus Christ, God's dear Son cleanseth us from all sin" that HIS sacrifice is complete and fully accepted of God on man's behalf, so that he that believeth on Jesus is not condemned. TRUST - We should commit ourselves to the merciful God; rest our hope on gracious gospel; trust our souls on the dying and living Saviour; wash away our sins in the atoning blood; accept HIS perfect righteousness and all is well. No one who has trusted, truly trusted in the Lord Jesus has ever been cast out for He has promised to cast out none that come to Him. .

Again - Is it possible to become "unborn" of your earthly parents because you turn your back on them or does their "seed" remain in you?
Faith is a work, so doing the work of faith is doing righteousness.

Psa 119:172 says all God's commands are righteousness.

Obey His commands and you're righteousness.

Disobey His commands you're unrighteous.

God's righteousness is something done, obedience not just some thing thought about but an action.

1 Pet 3:12 For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open unto their prayers: but the face of the Lord is against them that do evil.

Righteous is set in contrast to doing evil. Righteous is obeying God's will compared to doing evil/not doing God's will.

Lk 1:6 John's parents were "both righteous before God" Why, because of their "walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless".

Eze 33:18 When the righteous turneth from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, he shall even die thereby.

Righteousness is set in contrast to committing iniquity. So one is either doing righteousness or doing iniquity.

Eze 18:24 "But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.

Righteousness is something DONE.

Deut 6:25 And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the LORD our God, as he hath commanded us.

Righteousness is obeying God....no obedient works = not righteous

Isa 64:5 Thou meetest him that rejoiceth and worketh righteousness, those that remember thee in thy ways: behold, thou art wroth; for we have sinned: in those is continuance, and we shall be saved.

Righteousness is a work performed.

Acts 10:35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

Righteousness is a work performed.

Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness

Obedience leads to righteousness.

Rom 10:3 F
or they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

One submits/obeys God's righteousness to be saved.

Heb 11:33
Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions,

Righteousness is something worked.

James 1:20
For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God.

The righteousness of God is something men work.

1 Jn 3:7
Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

Righteousness is something done.

 
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Faith is a work, so doing the work of faith is doing righteousness.

Psa 119:172 says all God's commands are righteousness.

Obey His commands and you're righteousness.

Disobey His commands you're unrighteous.

God's righteousness is something done, obedience not just some thing thought about but an action.

1 Pet 3:12 For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open unto their prayers: but the face of the Lord is against them that do evil.

Righteous is set in contrast to doing evil. Righteous is obeying God's will compared to doing evil/not doing God's will.

Lk 1:6 John's parents were "both righteous before God" Why, because of their "walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless".

Eze 33:18 When the righteous turneth from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, he shall even die thereby.

Righteousness is set in contrast to committing iniquity. So one is either doing righteousness or doing iniquity.

Eze 18:24 "But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.

Righteousness is something DONE.

Deut 6:25 And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the LORD our God, as he hath commanded us.

Righteousness is obeying God....no obedient works = not righteous

Isa 64:5 Thou meetest him that rejoiceth and worketh righteousness, those that remember thee in thy ways: behold, thou art wroth; for we have sinned: in those is continuance, and we shall be saved.

Righteousness is a work performed.

Acts 10:35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

Righteousness is a work performed.

Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness

Obedience leads to righteousness.

Rom 10:3 F
or they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

One submits/obeys God's righteousness to be saved.

Heb 11:33
Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions,

Righteousness is something worked.

James 1:20
For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God.

The righteousness of God is something men work.

1 Jn 3:7
Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

Righteousness is something done.
I do not glory in myself - but I glory in the work of Jesus Christ and the Father.

For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD and it was counted unto him for righteousness . . . righteousness was laid to his account because of his works? NO. . . .because he believed God. . . . But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted unto him for righteousness.

But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe for there is no difference . . . . you can't get any more righteous than having the righteousness of God by faith of Jesus Christ.

Why are you ignoring my question? Is it possible to become "unborn" of your earthly parents because you turn your back on them or does their "seed" remain in you?
 
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I do not glory in myself - but I glory in the work of Jesus Christ and the Father.

For if Abraham were justified by works,
he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD and it was counted unto him for righteousness . . . righteousness was laid to his account because of his works? NO. . . .because he believed God. . . . But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted unto him for righteousness.

But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe for there is no difference . . . . you can't get any more righteous than having the righteousness of God by faith of Jesus Christ.

Why are you ignoring my question? Is it possible to become "unborn" of your earthly parents because you turn your back on them or does their "seed" remain in you?
PB, some theologians call what i put in red "the theology of glory".
not God's glory, but man's!
:rolleyes:

we just have to get out dirty mitts on God's Work, yeah?
Rom. 8:29-30
For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.

there are No human fingerprints on that 'golden chain'.
it's all God's Work, and all the glory is His. :)
 

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PB, some theologians call what i put in red "the theology of glory".
not God's glory, but man's!
:rolleyes:

we just have to get out dirty mitts on God's Work, yeah?
Rom. 8:29-30
For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.

there are No human fingerprints on that 'golden chain'.
it's all God's Work, and all the glory is His. :)
Haven't you read that verse in Hezekiah 9:17:

"Thou shalt call His name Jesus,
for we shall save ourselves from our sins."
 

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Faith is a work [sic], so doing the work of faith is doing righteousness.
Faith is contrasted as the pole apart from works. It is rest, as Hebrews describes it. We must rest from our works and trust the Savior.

For by grace you have been saved through faith, . . . not of works.

But to Him who does not work, but believes . . . His faith is counted for righteousness.

1 Pet 3:12 For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open unto their prayers: but the face of the Lord is against them that do evil.
So since your are not righteous, but do evil, what chance do you have?

All your righteousnesses are as filthy rags!

Obedience leads to righteousness.
So what are you ever going to do, since you are disobedient?

Rom 10:3 F
or they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.


"For being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God. For Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness to everyone who believes."

The only way to receive a declaration of righteousness from the Lord is to trust the Lord Jesus as Savior (not "chance-giver").

Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins.


 

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Haven't you read that verse in Hezekiah 9:17:

"Thou shalt call His name Jesus,
for we shall save ourselves from our sins."
I believe that's Hezekiah 17:9, not Hezekiah 9:17 :)
 
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Bro,

I am not understanding " You claiming God will save someone He knows will continue to live in sin." I think we can all agree that as long as we hold this human body we will be in Sin. Human nature is sin. We live in the Kingdom of Satan. He is the ruler of this World, not the Lord. Therefore we are living among sin. We sin every single day. The key word is intentionally. That is the reason we needed salvation in the first place. This is not mocking God.
I am sorry sis I am a little confused.

It sound here like your for ES, Although from your last response, you claimed you were not. as it is conditional according to
you.


And nowhere in my previous statement did I state "God will save someone He knows will continue to live in sin."
Then you do believe in ES, How then an it be Conditional? If God saved someone who he knows will commit sin (be it intentional or not, and I must apologize. I do not buy this non intentional sin argument, Paul said ALL sin comes from the flesh, our inner desires. You will never do anything you do not want to) and then claim he did not save anyone he KNOWS will live in sin. That sort of contradicts yourself does it not? Just saying

And in fact my original statement makes Salvation to be based on grace. The all knowing God, knowing that we would continue to fail Him, decided to send His only son to die for me and you. That my friend is Grace not the Law.

When you add the word "conditional" and "loss due to sin" it is law. not grace, no matter how you try to spin it sis. Thats just the basic truth. I can see it no other way


Be bless eternally!

You too sis!
 
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EG and Atwood, the Pharisees were doing what they were commanded by God to do. Preach the laws from the scrolls, but they got caught up in their control and power that they did just like a lot of preachers do even now days. Use the preaching for financial or personal gain.

They did not do it for the love of God. Because their greed and personal pride blinded them they hardened their hearts to the truth which is why they could not see Jesus for who He was.

Jesus called them hypocrites for this because they preached the law, but put heavy burdens on others that was not of God's will and thought only of themselves and not others.

So Jesus pointed them out in front of others telling them to do as they say ( law of God ), but do not do as they do ( pervert the word for self importance, gain, power, control, and self-gratifying.
Paul answers this in romans.

Rom 3:
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are [SUP][h][/SUP]under the Law, so that every mouth may be closed and all the world may become accountable to God; [SUP]20 [/SUP]because by the works [SUP][i][/SUP]of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for [SUP][j][/SUP]through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.

of course what does the law say that would shut everyone mouth (Destroy every argument)
of all people. including Jew and Gentile (including these pharisees)?

Well paul lets us know this in gal 3: [SUP]10 [/SUP]For as many as are of the works of [SUP][o][/SUP]the Law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not abide by all things written in the book of the law, to perform them.”

Here is the standard according to the law, Perfection. Not just from a point in time till you die. but your whole life, from birth to death. Anyone who has not done this, is cursed. As paul says back in romans, for ALL HAVE SINNED and FALL SHORT (literally missed the mark) of the GLORY OF GOD (His standard as set by the law, sinless perfection)

Yes, some of the pharisees and their followers did this. But this is not what will send them to hell. they will be sent to hell. because the law says they are condemned, Why? they did not confirm and obey ALL the things written. The did not live up to GODS standard. Thus Jesus told them they were condemned. THIS is what caused them to reject Christ. Christ told them all their hard work at obeying the law was useless, It could not save them, and would never save them. So they rejected him. They did not have the faith of Abraham, The faith of David, The faith of Daniel. They had no faith whatsoever in the one who would come take there sin away, they did not think they had sin (or enough to condemn them.)

There acts you speak of were a result of their unbelief. even if they believed in the true God and Jesus, the works of the law STILL could not save them, because they ALL have sinned and fall short.

They would have to be "justified freely by grace through the redemption of Christ. There sins still had to be redeemed by the Cross.

If your going to look at the law. you better look at it corretly. It Condemnes you, and it will till the day you die, unless you have been redeemed by Christ
 

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If we want to view salvation as conditional then we must perceive the correct condition. The condition of the heart is the only condition that God is interested in changing. The heart of the unsaved man is only evil continually as we read in the days of Noah. The redemption God creates is in the heart. A change from evil to righteousness. We are changed by God from self righteous to the righteousness of Christ. 2 Corinthians 5:21

If the condition of the heart is right with God then the hands, feet and mouth will also please God for they will act at the impulse of Gods word. We do not nor can we work to be righteous. We work because we are righteous. We are righteous because of the grace of God.

For the cause of Christ
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Haven't you read that verse in Hezekiah 9:17:

"Thou shalt call His name Jesus,
for we shall save ourselves from our sins."
srsly?
i thought that was in Matthew 31.
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I do not glory in myself - but I glory in the work of Jesus Christ and the Father.

For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD and it was counted unto him for righteousness . . . righteousness was laid to his account because of his works? NO. . . .because he believed God. . . . But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted unto him for righteousness.

But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe for there is no difference . . . . you can't get any more righteous than having the righteousness of God by faith of Jesus Christ.




James 2:21-24 Abraham was justified by works. The works James speaks of are obedient works, doing righteousness. The works Paul speaks of are works of merit.

Peacefulbeliever said:
Why are you ignoring my question? Is it possible to become "unborn" of your earthly parents because you turn your back on them or does their "seed" remain in you?
Answered in my post #772.
 
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James 2:21-24 Abraham was justified by works. The works James speaks of are obedient works, doing righteousness. The works Paul speaks of are works of merit.



Answered in my post #772.
A work done to earn or gain or receive something is a work of merit.

Stop justifying your works. And start praising the work of God.