Baptism Essential to Salvation

[homwardbound]

I do not see in Phil 3 where it says praying puts on into the death of Christ.

Prayed, for your faith and this seeing is between God and you if God shows you, pray for this Mercy, and have no ill intent, but to trust and know God for God's sake, not your own please
For seriously God does just love you seabass

 

[homwardbound]

God made water baptism the point at which He saves, that is why many verses as Mk 16:16; Acts 2:38 teach baptism saves.

So all who got baptized by John then were saved? Now that makes void Christ's death, burial and resurrection
It puts salvation on man and man can't be perfect can man?

 

[homwardbound]

Not a single verse says "believe only " and thou shalt be saved. That idea is made up by men who think they know better than God in how man should be saved

All yopu just said is only connected to whether one really does believe or not>

those that do, God brings them forth to grow up and still be a kid at the same time being totally dependent on God to do what is needed to be done and that is love all
So do you love all?
Take your worst enemy, and ask God to put him in front of you to kill him as God did for David, and David could not do it
So can you? If can it is okay, so would you? That is your test between God and you as it was between God and David
So you know what is truth here and here is your choice consciously presented to you to either beleive, trust God or not and play God yourself and kill that enemy

Your free choice, God does just love you this deep, and can save anyone God chooses to, yet never by force, by love his type 1 Cor 13:4-7

 

[homwardbound]

Christ's great commission that is commanded to all nations, every creature, Mk 16:16; Mt 28:19,20 is human/disciple administered water baptism. Christ NEVER promised baptism with the HS to all nations, every creature for that was a promise Christ made only to His apostles, Acts 1;1-5.

too bad then for I am one of his Apostles, Disciples, Believer, ans this is the same for all those that Believe God, God reveals it in Spirit and truth to all that belong to God by Son Christ's finished work for them, which you just stated you do not believe God's love to be this deep for you. which is states you do not beleive
You might be a want a be, I pray at least so, for I am not judging you, I am trusting God to straighten us all out for God said this through Paul
Romans 14:4
Who art thou that judgest another man’s servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

 

[homwardbound]

Does not does not Mk 16;16 and Acts 2:38 put baptism BEFORE or AFTER saves/remission of sins?

Oh just keep fighting truth brother, I remember i did and still can and do from time to time until revealed truth that sets me free in it all, and am as King David in this scripture:

Psalm 100:4
Enter into his gates with thanksgiving, and into his courts with praise: be thankful unto him, and bless his name.

 

[homwardbound]

God WILL NOT save the unbaptized.

right, those that are not baptized in Spirit and truth by God from God and not by mankind, are saved.
Water does not wash off the filth, God does by god through Son. By the resurrected Christ this is done

Amen

 

[homwardbound]

But the thief was promised paradise BEFORE Christ the Testator of the NT died (Heb 9:16,17) so the NT was not yet in effect meaning the thief is NOT an example of NT salvation.

Have you not read scripture Christ had, and has the Authority to forgive Sins even before the cross. The cross was the final act for all to be forgiven in Father's sight. We can by Chrsit's death cleansing for us go to Father for the new life in Spirit and truth, the resurrected Christ, where one gets new life,from and by Father, who knows your motive, and you as well as mine and all persons
So I fear the Lord who can destroy both body and soul, not mankind with mankinds threats, been there and survived humbly, and so I am glad now that i was presented to the devil to be destroyed in flesh
I pray you do not have to go through this as well, yet I trust God in this
For i know God does just love you

 

[Alligator]

There is only one, that is through Christ our propitiation for any and all sins past. It is done, because as soon as any sin is past it is forgiven done
Romans 3:25
whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

A done deal, before you were ever even boprn

1 John 2:2
and he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
1 John 4:10
Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

John 19:30 [Full Chapter]
When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

Only one way, one truth to:

John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

you can add as many Gospels as you choose yet there is only one, in Christ to Father it is found, once you see it is finished by Christ for you to come to glory in thanksgiving and praise.
Nothing you can do or not do to change this Fact. it is not a brag just fact

of course there is only one Gospel. I was being sarcastic about another posters statement that there was more than one.

 

[SeaBass]

Have you not read scripture Christ had, and has the Authority to forgive Sins even before the cross. The cross was the final act for all to be forgiven in Father's sight. We can by Chrsit's death cleansing for us go to Father for the new life in Spirit and truth, the resurrected Christ, where one gets new life,from and by Father, who knows your motive, and you as well as mine and all persons
So I fear the Lord who can destroy both body and soul, not mankind with mankinds threats, been there and survived humbly, and so I am glad now that i was presented to the devil to be destroyed in flesh
I pray you do not have to go through this as well, yet I trust God in this
For i know God does just love you

Mt 9:6 But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power onearth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house.

When Christ was ON EARTH He had the power to personally forgive sins of those whom He thought was deserving as the thief. Yet Christ is not on earth today personally forgiving sins as He did with the thief, so no one today is saved the same way as the thief. When Christ left earth some 2000 years ago He left behind His gospel as His authority on earth and HIs gospel says one must believe, Jn 8:24; repent,Lk 13:3,5 confess, Mt 10:32,33 and be baptized, Mk 16;16 to be saved.

 

[newbirth]

There is only one, that is through Christ our propitiation for any and all sins past.

It is done, because as soon as any sin is past it is forgiven done

What is this? (verse and chapter please)
Romans 3:25
whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

A done deal, before you were ever even boprn

Your opinion is contrary to the Gospel my friend...If you sin after remission of sin that are past. You need to confess them and repent(stop doing it).

Hebrews 10 [SUP]17 [/SUP]And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

Hebrews 10:26

For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

 

[SeaBass]

right, those that are not baptized in Spirit and truth by God from God and not by mankind, are saved.
Water does not wash off the filth, God does by god through Son. By the resurrected Christ this is done

Amen

God will not save those not water baptized for it is water baptism that is commanded to all men, Mt 28:10,29, Mk 16:16 for water baptism is the point God has chosen to remit sins/save. No verse commands every creature/all nations to be "spirit bpatized".

 

[SeaBass]

Oh just keep fighting truth brother, I remember i did and still can and do from time to time until revealed truth that sets me free in it all, and am as King David in this scripture:

Psalm 100:4
Enter into his gates with thanksgiving, and into his courts with praise: be thankful unto him, and bless his name.

Those that reject or try to void out or re-arrange Mk 16;16 or Acts 2:38 are the ones avoiding the truth.

Lk 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

2 Thess 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ

Heb 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

 

[SeaBass]

too bad then for I am one of his Apostles, Disciples, Believer, ans this is the same for all those that Believe God, God reveals it in Spirit and truth to all that belong to God by Son Christ's finished work for them, which you just stated you do not believe God's love to be this deep for you. which is states you do not beleive
You might be a want a be, I pray at least so, for I am not judging you, I am trusting God to straighten us all out for God said this through Paul
Romans 14:4
Who art thou that judgest another man’s servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

Sorry, but you are not one of the apostles in Acts 1:1-5 that Jesus was speaking to promising those apostles baptism with the HS.

 

[SeaBass]

All yopu just said is only connected to whether one really does believe or not>

those that do, God brings them forth to grow up and still be a kid at the same time being totally dependent on God to do what is needed to be done and that is love all
So do you love all?
Take your worst enemy, and ask God to put him in front of you to kill him as God did for David, and David could not do it
So can you? If can it is okay, so would you? That is your test between God and you as it was between God and David
So you know what is truth here and here is your choice consciously presented to you to either beleive, trust God or not and play God yourself and kill that enemy

Your free choice, God does just love you this deep, and can save anyone God chooses to, yet never by force, by love his type 1 Cor 13:4-7

God has made promises to man, God promised to save those that obey, Heb 5:9 and have vengeance upon those that "obey not" 2 Thess 1:8. Since God cannot lie He must keep His promises therefore God cannot be "willy-nilly" about His promises and who He saves.

 

[SeaBass]

So all who got baptized by John then were saved? Now that makes void Christ's death, burial and resurrection
It puts salvation on man and man can't be perfect can man?

Christ's death/shed blood is why those who were baptized with John's baptism had their sins remitted.

 

[SeaBass]

Prayed, for your faith and this seeing is between God and you if God shows you, pray for this Mercy, and have no ill intent, but to trust and know God for God's sake, not your own please
For seriously God does just love you seabass

Rom 6:3 one is baptized into the death of Christ. A "sinner's prayer" does not save, does not put one into Christ's death.

 

[newbirth]

right, those that are not baptized in Spirit and truth by God from God and not by mankind, are saved.
Water does not wash off the filth, God does by god through Son. By the resurrected Christ this is done

Amen

I keep saying over and over we are saved by grace, through faith......it is not a one off thing where you do one thing after you are saved...it is the obedience of faith. God has saved you cleaned you and placed you in Christ . He gave you faith to stay in Christ. Why do you guys make this so hard?
1 Peter 1:5
Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

 

[notuptome]

Rom 6:3 one is baptized into the death of Christ. A "sinner's prayer" does not save, does not put one into Christ's death.

Galatians 1:6

You should come with a warning label. Your boldness to speak such outright heresy is absolutely frightening. Frightening for the welfare of your soul.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[SeaBass]

Good luck with that Seabass?
Can you hold Ten apples under water all at one time, with your hands?
So see the perfect law for what it is and see that is why Christ came for you, that I am drawing the conclusion that you do not believe God to have done it all for you to respond to God in thanksgiving and praise being toooo busy in your own works as Saul was, seriously trying and wanting to be one with God by how he was taught and was stopped to be taught all over again
This is what I see to you from God telling you to stop, and be taught all over again as is waht Saul had to do is be taught all over again
1 Corinthians 1:14
I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;
1 Corinthians 1:17
For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.

I quote Heb 5:9 straight out of of the bible and you tell me "good luck with that". What, you do not believe what Heb 5:9 says?

1 Cor 1:14,15
I thank God that I baptized (verb) none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;

Why was Paul thankful he baptized none but Crispus and Gaius? Was it because baptism (noun) is not taught in the gospel? No, verse 15 tells us why Paul was thankful he baptized none of you but Cripsus and Giaus Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name. So the argument some people make that Paul did not baptize because baptism is not part of the gospel is patently false.

2) If Paul was sent "not to baptize" then why did he baptize Crispus and Gaius and those mentioned in verse 16? Does the fact Paul DID baptize mean he sinned? No, for Paul as all disciples are under Christ's great commission to go, teach baptize making disciples.

1 Cor 1:17 is a "not-but" elliptical statement.......For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel.
This "not-but" statement means Paul was to put more emphasis on preaching the gospel over baptizing but NOT to the exclusion of either.

Similar "Not-but" statement:

1 Pet 3:3,4 Whose adorning let it NOT be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel; BUT let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.

Peter speaking to wives said Whose adorning let it NOT be...putting on of apparel. Did Peter means the wives were to go without clothing? No. Peter used the "not-but" statement in putting telling the wives to put more emphasis on the inward adorniing over the outward adorning but not to the exclusion of both.

Lastly look at 1 Cor 1:12,13 that shows the necessity of water baptism:

12 -Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.
13 -Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

Verse 12 shows that instead of the all Corinthian Christians following after Christ, some were following after the person who had baptized them creating division within the church at Corinth.

To remedy this division Paul asked them the rhetorical question in verse 13. Verse 13 stated in the positive would be:

Christ is not divided! Christ was crucified for you! You were baptized in the name of Christ!

The point Paul makes here to the Corinthians is that if you are to be "of" someone then that someone must:

1) crucified for you
2) you must be baptized in that someone's name.

So the Corinthians could not be "of Paul" or "of Apollos" or "of Cephas" because these men were not crucified for the Corinthians and the Corinthians were not baptized in these men's names.

Therefore these two things are only true of Christ. So for YOU to be "of Christ" then Christ must be (1) crucified for you and you must be baptized in the name of Christ. BOTH must be true, not just one.


Was Christ crucified for mankind? Yes, 1 Cor 15;1-3, Heb 2:9 Christ died for all men. So why will all men not be saved? For all men will not do #2 above and that be baptized in the name of the Lord. This baptism in the name of Christ is the same human administered water baptism of Acts 2:38; 10:47,48.

So, homwardbound, for you to be "of Christ' then (1) Christ must have been crucified for you and (2) you must be baptized in the name of Christ.

 

[SeaBass]

Thank you to continuously show us where you stand

Your welcome.