It Is satanic Heresy to Deny Eternal Security

[Atwood]

Tangential Issues & Related Doctrines

The Doctrine of Election is a related doctrine. Romans 8 says,

Foreknew >Foreordained >Called >Justified >Glorified.

Every man who was foreknown by the Lord was foreordained,
everyone foreordained was called,
everyone called was justified,
[I would insert that the man believed before "justified," though it is not in the chain there]
everyone justified was glorified.

This is an unbreakable chain of actions.

Yet Bible-believing Christians have different understandings of election/foreknowledge/foreordination (predestination).
It is possible to endorse Eternal Security, yet deny the rest of the Calvinist TULIP
(total depravity, unconditional election, limited atonement, irresistible grace).
P = perseverance of the elect or of the believer (eternal security).

Someone here for some reason wants to address the issue of lmited vs unlimited atonement, and what I would call "common grace," what has Christ done for the unbeliever. It was said by such a person that I admitted unlimited atonement. This is not an admission in debate; Since the time I considered the issue, I have always believed unlimited atonement, that Christ paid the price for all men's sins on the cross, not just paying for the sins of the elect or of those who would believe.

At the same time, it is clear in scripture that the large mass of men are unsaved and heading for the Great White Throne Judgment, followed by the Lake of Fire. Thus unlimited atonement does not result in universalism. It does not cause all men everywhere to be righteous; it did nothing to stop Islamists from cutting off the heads of men alive. Men are in fact very wicked and need a transforming salvation.

Then there are those who want to fixate on passages that speak of apostasy, where professed Christians depart from Christianity. Those passages do not say "lose salvation." The are explained in 1 Jn 2 as never having been part of the Body of Christ.

But in affirming Eternal Security, it is not necessary to figure out how it is that while Christ died for all men, they are still wicked. It is not necessary to solve the question of limited vs unlimited atonement. It is not necessary to figure out "common grace" (what Christ does for all, including the unbeliever). It is not necessary to figure out passages on apostasy. What is needed is to read & believe God's promises to the believer, like:

"God so loved the world [all men] that He gave His only Son [to go to the cross]
that whosoever believes [just believers] should not perish, but have everlasting life.

What must I do to be saved? Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, & you shall be saved.

"I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish."

Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins.

 

[Atwood]

Did the Thief on the cross have eternal security?

As to the Thief on the Cross:

After the Lord Jesus told him
This day you shall be in Paradise with Me,
did he have eternal security?

What if he sinned after that and did not repent?

If the Lord Jesus could assure the Thief that the thief had security to being in Paradise with the Lord Jesus, an assurance that lasted a few hours before death;

Why could not the Lord Jesus assure His sheep

"I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish"?

If He could guarantee salvation for a few hours,
why not for 100 years? Is time an issue for the Lord?

Thou shalt call His name Jesus,
for He shall save His people from their sins.

(peep peep)

 

[Butch5]

Butch, you would be much better to quote scripture & prove from it instead pontificating. Don't quote from where Solomon is reasoning under the sun for proof text.

Just how did the Lord Jesus argue? Could it be that He proof-texted?

Better proof-text from scripture, than spoof-text from Butch said it.

"And the God of peace himself sanctify you wholly; and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved entire, without blame at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. Faithful is He Who calls you, Who will also do it."

There's a difference between showing what the Scriptures say and using Scripture passages to try to prove what man says. If you take note, the passages I post say what I say. I am not drawing inferences from passages and then saying the Bible says. If a person says the Bible teaches that a person can't be lost they should be able to post Scripture that states that. If none is available (which is the case) then they should be able to lay out a logical argument as to how the Scriptures teach such (which I've asked for). I haven't seen you do either one. what I see re passages (that don't state it) posted and inferences drawn from those passages.

 

[Butch5]

Re: Did the Thief on the cross have eternal security?

As to the Thief on the Cross:

After the Lord Jesus told him
This day you shall be in Paradise with Me,
did he have eternal security?

What if he sinned after that and did not repent?

If the Lord Jesus could assure the Thief that the thief had security to being in Paradise with the Lord Jesus, an assurance that lasted a few hours before death;

Why could not the Lord Jesus assure His sheep

"I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish"?

If He could guarantee salvation for a few hours,
why not for 100 years? Is time an issue for the Lord?

Thou shalt call His name Jesus,
for He shall save His people from their sins.

(peep peep)

It's a straw man argument, the issue isn't can He do it, the questions is did He do it. I don't think anyone is going to argue that He can't do.

 

[newbirth]

Re: Did the Thief on the cross have eternal security?

As to the Thief on the Cross:

After the Lord Jesus told him
This day you shall be in Paradise with Me,
did he have eternal security?

What if he sinned after that and did not repent?

If the Lord Jesus could assure the Thief that the thief had security to being in Paradise with the Lord Jesus, an assurance that lasted a few hours before death;

1 Peter 4:6
For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.

Why could not the Lord Jesus assure His sheep

"I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish"?

If He could guarantee salvation for a few hours,
why not for 100 years? Is time an issue for the Lord?

Thou shalt call His name Jesus,
for He shall save His people from their sins.

[SUP]8 [/SUP]Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
[SUP]9 [/SUP](Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
[SUP]10 [/SUP]He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

(peep peep)

You are just saying things Jesus went to preach the Gospel to the dead, there is no record of who was saved or not

 

[newbirth]

Re: Tangential Issues & Related Doctrines

But in affirming Eternal Security, it is not necessary to figure out how it is that while Christ died for all men, they are still wicked. It is not necessary to solve the question of limited vs unlimited atonement. It is not necessary to figure out "common grace" (what Christ does for all, including the unbeliever). It is not necessary to figure out passages on apostasy. What is needed is to read & believe God's promises to the believer, like:

"God so loved the world [all men] that He gave His only Son [to go to the cross]
that whosoever believes [just believers] should not perish, but have everlasting life.

What must I do to be saved? Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, & you shall be saved.

"I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish."

Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins.

Where in scripture does it say it is not necessary to learn of Christ and what he has done for us. Here you are telling men to hold on to the doctrine of man for their salvation. What is it they must believe to be saved ? What does it mean Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ ? What is a Lord?
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
[SUP]7 [/SUP]But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

 

[newbirth]

Re: Did the Thief on the cross have eternal security?

On August 4th, 2009, 48 year old George Sodini shot 9 people in a Pittsburg Pennsylvania health club. At the time of the writing of this article (August 6th), four people had died to include George by his own self-inflicted gunshot wound.
George Sodini, mass murderer and professed Christian Eternal Securist wrote; “Maybe soon, I will see God and Jesus. At least that is what I was told. Eternal life does NOT depend on works. If it did, we will all be in hell. Christ paid for EVERY sin, so how can I or you be judged BY GOD for a sin when the penalty was ALREADY paid. People judge but that does not matter. I was reading the Bible and The Integrity of God beginning yesterday, because soon I will see them.”

 

[Atwood]

Re: Did the Thief on the cross have eternal security?

On August 4th, 2009, 48 year old George Sodini shot 9 people in a Pittsburg Pennsylvania health club. At the time of the writing of this article (August 6th), four people had died to include George by his own self-inflicted gunshot wound.
George Sodini, mass murderer and professed Christian Eternal Securist wrote; “Maybe soon, I will see God and Jesus. At least that is what I was told. Eternal life does NOT depend on works. If it did, we will all be in hell. Christ paid for EVERY sin, so how can I or you be judged BY GOD for a sin when the penalty was ALREADY paid. People judge but that does not matter. I was reading the Bible and The Integrity of God beginning yesterday, because soon I will see them.”

There is nothing in that quote that indicates this guy believed in the Christian doctrine of ES. He said "how can I or you be judged" -- that looks like universalism, not the doctrine that the Lord Jesus gives believers eternal life.

Adolf Hitler was christened into the RCC, which denies eternal security.

Therefore, all who deny eternal security are mass murderers like Hitler, who is a perfect example of one who denies eternal security.

 

[Butch5]

Re: Tangential Issues & Related Doctrines

The Doctrine of Election is a related doctrine. Romans 8 says,

Foreknew >Foreordained >Called >Justified >Glorified.

Every man who was foreknown by the Lord was foreordained,
everyone foreordained was called,
everyone called was justified,
[I would insert that the man believed before "justified," though it is not in the chain there]
everyone justified was glorified.

This is an unbreakable chain of actions.

Romans 8 is speaking of past events. Notice all of the verbs are in the past tense. The word foreknow simply means to know before, i.e. in the past?

God foreknew Cain, Balam, Saul, Esau, Ishmael, etc. would you suggest that they were all called, justified, and glorified

 

[Butch5]

Re: Did the Thief on the cross have eternal security?

Adolf Hitler was christened into the RCC, which denies eternal security.

Therefore, all who deny eternal security are mass murderers like Hitler, who is a perfect example of one who denies eternal security.

That's absurd.

 

[Atwood]

Slander/Libel Vs. Eternal Security

On August 4th, 2009, 48 year old George Sodini shot 9 people in a Pittsburg Pennsylvania health club. At the time of the writing of this article (August 6th), four people had died to include George by his own self-inflicted gunshot wound.
George Sodini, mass murderer and professed Christian Eternal Securist wrote; “Maybe soon, I will see God and Jesus. At least that is what I was told. Eternal life does NOT depend on works. If it did, we will all be in hell. Christ paid for EVERY sin, so how can I or you be judged BY GOD for a sin when the penalty was ALREADY paid. People judge but that does not matter. I was reading the Bible and The Integrity of God beginning yesterday, because soon I will see them.”

NewB, are you plagiarizing an anti-eternal security post by Jeff Paton at a site I link below?:
GEORGE SODINI

Here is my paste from that site:

On August 4th, 2009, 48 year old George Sodini shot 9 people in a Pittsburg Pennsylvania health club. At the time of the writing of this article (August 6th), four people had died to include George by his own self-inflicted gunshot wound.
George Sodini, mass murderer and professed Christian Eternal Securist wrote;
“Maybe soon, I will see God and Jesus. At least that is what I was told. Eternal life does NOT depend on works. If it did,
we will all be in hell. Christ paid for EVERY sin, so
how can I or you be judged BY GOD for a sin when the penalty was ALREADY paid. People judge but that does not matter. I was reading the Bible and The Integrity of God beginning yesterday, because soon I will see them.”
My friends, this is the true fruit of the doctrine of Eternal Security

NewB, I didn't think you would stood so low. I am appalled at you.

The words "professed Christian Eternal Securist" are not those of Sodini, but blasphemer Jeff Paton.

Sodini does not even claim "Eternal Security." As Paton quotes Sodini, Sodini says "Maybe soon, I will see God." That is not a statement of confident security. Sodini says, "Maybe."

Thus Sodini is/was in the camp of those who consider the Lord Jesus a chance-giver, not a definite Savior you rely on. And Sodini's position is a maybe-universalism, not anything to do with the eternal security of the one who trusts Christ as Savior. As a believer in Christ as a "chance-giver," Sodini is/was in the camp of those who deny eternal security.

For shame, NewB.

 

[Atwood]

Re: Tangential Issues & Related Doctrines

Romans 8 is speaking of past events. Notice all of the verbs are in the past tense. The word foreknow simply means to know before, i.e. in the past?

God foreknew Cain, Balam, Saul, Esau, Ishmael, etc. would you suggest that they were all called, justified, and glorified

You arguing with the word of God, not me. The word says that all the Lord foreknew etc. get glorified. So this is some special foreknowledge about usbelievers in Christ, not objective facts about all mankind. So open Romans 8 & argue with the Word of God. Everyone foreknown was foreordained, everyone foreordained was called, everyone called was justified, everyone justified was glorifed.

It is all a done deal. You cannot be justified without being glorified. The past tense only strengthens the security.

"For whom
he foreknew,
he also foreordained to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren: and whom
he foreordained, them
he also called: and whom he called, them
he also justified: and whom he justified, them
he also glorified.

" What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us,who is against us? He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not also with him freely give us all things? Who shall lay anything to the charge of God’s elect? It is God that justifieth; who is he that condemneth? It is Christ Jesus that died, yea rather, that was raised from the dead, who is at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or anguish, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? Even as it is written,
For thy sake we are killed all the day long;
We were accounted as sheep for the slaughter.

" Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[2Thewaters]

Re: Did the Thief on the cross have eternal security?

the problem with this thread is it is mosr all speculation without any Bible truth.

Continuing to sin and claim Jesus saves you is not eternal security it is false gospel

 

[2Thewaters]

Sinneres who do not repent
(repent means STOP IT)

will not be saved.
how many Bible verses do you want?

 

[2Thewaters]

Repent! Repent!

The message preceding the public ministry
of the Son of God was,

Repent, publicans,
repent, Pharisees
and Sadducees,
"for the kingdom of heaven is at hand."

Our message is not to be one
of "peace and safety,
(don’t worry your all going to heaven have a beer) this is not the truth."

As a people who believe in Christ's soon appearing,
we have a work to do,
a message to bear --
"Prepare to meet thy God."
We are to lift up the standard,
te ten commandments
and bear the third angel's message--
the commandments of God,
and the faith of Jesus.

 

[2Thewaters]

The message we bear
is as direct
as was the message of John.

He rebuked kings for their iniquity.

He rebuked the adultery of Herod.

he was killed for speaking the truth

, the truth did not sit upon his lips.

And our work in this age
must be as faithfully done.

The people of the world
at this time
are worse than the dwellers upon the earth
at the time of the flood.

The wickedness of the old world
is plainly stated:
"And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth,
and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart
was only evil continually."

God became weary of these people
whose only thoughts were of pleasure
and indulgence.

turn on the TV
what do you see?

The wicked noah generaton
did not follow the counsel of the God
who had created them,

nor worried about doing His will
in the Bible
The rebuke of God
was upon them
because they followed the imagination
of their own hearts continually;

and there was violence in the land.

. And God looked upon the earth,
and, behold, it was corrupt;
for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.

.

 

[Atwood]

Re: Did the Thief on the cross have eternal security?

the problem with this thread is it is mosr all speculation without any Bible truth.

It is true that some of the opponents of ES have avoided scripture like they had Biblephobia or an allergy to scripture. But it is preposterous to claim that the Bible truth of Eternal Security has not been posted; it has been posted over & over again. Below I will make the same post on it I have already done too many times.

Continuing to sin and claim Jesus saves you is not eternal security it is false gospel[/QUOTE]

Bringing in "continuing to sin" is off topic & irrelevant, a red-herring. What is relevant are the promises of God, like "I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish. You are speculating as you complained about.

"Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins."

Here we go again (sigh):

Jehovah redeemeth the soul of his servants;
And none of them that take refuge in him shall be condemned.

Ps 52
But as for me, I am like a green olive-tree in the house of God:
I trust in the lovingkindness of God for ever and ever.
I will give thee thanks for ever, because thou hast done it;

1 Thes 5 end:
"And the God of peace himself sanctify you wholly; and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved entire, without blame at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. Faithful is He Who calls you, Who will also do it.

Col 3
If then ye were raised together with Christ, seek the things that are above, where Christ is, seated on the right hand of God. Set your mind on the things that are above, not on the things that are upon the earth. For ye died, and your life is hid with Christ in God. When Christ, who is our life, shall be manifested, then shall ye also with him be manifested in glory.

2 Thes 2:16
Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God our Father who loved us and gave us eternal comfort and good hope through grace, comfort your hearts and establish them in every good work and word.

End of Rom 8:
And we know that to them that love God all things work together for good, even to them that are called according to his purpose. For whom
he foreknew,
he also foreordained to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren: and whom
he foreordained, them
he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom
he justified, them
he also glorified.

31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who is against us? 3He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not also with him freely give us all things? Who shall lay anything to the charge of God’s elect? It is God that justifieth; who is he that condemneth? It is Christ Jesus that died, yea rather, that was raised from the dead, who is at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or anguish, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? Even as it is written,
For thy sake we are killed all the day long;
We were accounted as sheep for the slaughter.

Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

< 1 Pet 1
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy begat us again unto a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, unto an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, who by the power of God are guarded through faith unto a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

THE OVERCOMER
Revelation 3:5
The one who overcomes will be clothed thus in white garments, and I will never blot his name out of the book of life. I will confess his name before my Father… 1 John 5:4-5 For whatsoever is begotten of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith. And who is he who overcomes the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God? For everyone who has been born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.

And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of the throne saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he shall dwell with them, and they shall be his peoples, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God: and he shall wipe away every tear from their eyes; and death shall be no more; neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain, any more: the first things are passed away. And he that sitteth on the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he saith, Write: for these words are faithful and true. And he said unto me, They are come to pass. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. He that overcometh shall inherit these things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. But for the fearful, and unbelieving, and abominable, and murderers, and fornicators, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, their part shall be in the lake that burneth with fire and brimstone; which is the second death.

In II Thess. 3:3 “But the Lord is faithful, who shall establish you, and guard you from the evil one.”

In II Tim. 1:12 “For I know Him whom I have believed, and I am persuaded that He is able to guard . . . against that day.”

4:18 the Lord will deliver him from every evil work and will save him unto His heavenly kingdom.

2 Tim 1:8-9
… God; who saved us, and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before times eternal,

2 thes 2:16-17 Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God our Father who loved us and gave us eternal comfort and good hope through grace, comfort your hearts and establish them in every good work and word.

Rm 6:23b
the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
John 10:27-29
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand.
John 6:37
All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.
John 10:28
I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand.
John 3:16
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
John 5:24
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
2 Corinthians 1:22
And who has also put his seal on us and given us his Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.
Romans 11:29
For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.
1 John 5:13
I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.
Philippians 1:6
And I am sure of this, that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ.
Ephesians 2:8
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,
1 John 5:10-13
Whoever believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself. Whoever does not believe God has made him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has borne concerning his Son. And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.
Romans 11:6
But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works; otherwise grace would no longer be grace.

Romans 8:34
Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died—more than that, who was raised—who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us.
Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Philippians 3:20-21
But our citizenship is in heaven, and from it we await a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, who will transform our lowly body to be like his glorious body, by the power that enables him even to subject all things to himself.

Ps 138
"thy right hand will save me.
YHWH will perfect that which concerns me:"
Ephesians 1:13
In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,
1 John 2:19
They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us.
John 6:40
For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in
For this is the will of my Father, that every one that beholdeth the Son, and believeth on him, should have eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
Hebrews 10:14
For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified.

Ephesians 2:8-10 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.
John 4:14
But whoever drinks of the water that I will give him will never be thirsty again. The water that I will give him will become in him a spring of water welling up to eternal life.
John 6:47
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life.
John 3:36
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.
John 3:18
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
Psalm 34:22
The Lord redeems the life of his servants; none of those who take refuge in him will be condemned.
Jude 1:24
Now to him who is able to keep you from stumbling and to present you blameless before the presence of his glory with great joy,
1 Peter 1:3-5
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy begat us again unto a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 unto an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, 5 who by the power of God are guarded through faith unto a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
Colossians 1:13
He has delivered us from the domain of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of his beloved Son,
Romans 8:32
He who did not spare his own Son but gave him up for us all, how will he not also with him graciously give us all things?
Romans 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus
John 1:12
But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God,
Revelation 3:5
The one who overcomes will be clothed thus in white garments, and I will never blot his name out of the book of life. I will confess his name before my Father… 1 John 5:4-5 For whatsoever is begotten of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith. And who is he who overcomes the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God? For everyone who has been born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.
Hebrews 9:15
Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.
Ephesians 1:1-23
Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, To the saints who are in Ephesus, and are faithful in Christ Jesus: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus
Ephesians 1:11
In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will,

< ps 138
thy right hand will save me.
Jehovah will perfect that which concerns me:
Thy lovingkindness, O Jehovah, endureth forever;

Heb 11:19ff

And these all, having had witness borne to them through their faith, received not the promise, God having provided some better thing concerning us, that apart from us they should not be made perfect. Therefore let us also, seeing we are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, looking unto Jesus the author and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross,

Isaiah 26:12
Jehovah, thou wilt ordain peace for us; for thou hast also wrought all our works for us.

Eph 2
but God, being rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, even when we were dead through our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace have ye been saved), and raised us up with him, and made us to sit with him in the heavenly places, in Christ Jesus: that in the ages to come he might show the exceeding riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus: for by grace have ye been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not of works, that no man should glory. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God afore prepared that we should walk in them.

Philip 1:6
And I am sure of this, that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ.

Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins.


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[Atwood]

Sinneres who do not repent
(repent means STOP IT)

will not be saved.
how many Bible verses do you want?

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You didn't quote any Bible, but you cluttered up this site on Eternal Security with stuff off topic.

Repent does not mean "STOP IT."

Repentance is a change of mind (metanoia).
The only repentance that saves is a change of mind from disbelief to belief in the Lord Jesus as SAvior.

Now to any who are relegating the Lord Jesus to a mere "chance-giver,"
repent and trust Him as Savior, only & sufficient Savior.

Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins.

 

[kennethcadwell]

The scriptures say to repent of your sins or you will perish.

Repenting of your sins, means you have a change in mind and realize your need for a savior because you are living a sinful life and walking the wrong path, and through that repentance you are to turn from that sin and not commit it.

Now if you do sin again, we have an advocate in our Lord Jesus Christ, so that we can repent and ask forgiveness of that sin and know He will forgive us.

You can not continue to walk in willful sin and still be saved. If you walk in willful sin, that means you do not truly love the Lord our God with all your heart, soul, and mind as you should.

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You didn't quote any Bible, but you cluttered up this site on Eternal Security with stuff off topic.

Repent does not mean "STOP IT."

Repentance is a change of mind (metanoia).
The only repentance that saves is a change of mind from disbelief to belief in the Lord Jesus as SAvior.

Now to any who are relegating the Lord Jesus to a mere "chance-giver,"
repent and trust Him as Savior, only & sufficient Savior.

Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins.

 

[Butch5]

Re: Tangential Issues &amp; Related Doctrines

You arguing with the word of God, not me. The word says that all the Lord foreknew etc. get glorified. So this is some special foreknowledge about usbelievers in Christ, not objective facts about all mankind. So open Romans 8 & argue with the Word of God. Everyone foreknown was foreordained, everyone foreordained was called, everyone called was justified, everyone justified was glorifed.

It is all a done deal. You cannot be justified without being glorified. The past tense only strengthens the security.

"For whom
he foreknew,
he also foreordained to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren: and whom
he foreordained, them
he also called: and whom he called, them
he also justified: and whom he justified, them
he also glorified.

" What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us,who is against us? He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not also with him freely give us all things? Who shall lay anything to the charge of God’s elect? It is God that justifieth; who is he that condemneth? It is Christ Jesus that died, yea rather, that was raised from the dead, who is at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or anguish, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? Even as it is written,
For thy sake we are killed all the day long;
We were accounted as sheep for the slaughter.

" Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

I'm not arguing with the word of God, I'm saying your claim is using the word out of context. Paul is talking about a group of people that God had known in the past (those that loved Him). He is not talking about some chain of salvation. Not everyone that God has known in the past has been called, justified, or glorified. If you read these passages in context it's pretty clear what they are saying. The passage is referring to men such as Abraham, David, Moses, etc. these are men who loved God and He called, justified, and glorified them. All of the verbs are in the past tense.