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Why you want to see Quran in second vatican council?
I don't said anything about quran in the second vatican council.
What I read in this bellow is Catholic believe that Muslim and Catholic have the same God.
And together with us (Catholic and muslim) adore the same merciful God.
Muslim adore Allah as a God.
If Catholic adore the same God mean Catholic adore Allah.
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[TD]16. Finally, those who have not yet received the Gospel are related to the People of God in various ways.[SUP]18[/SUP]There is, first, that people to whom the covenants and promises were made, and from whom Christ was born according to the flesh (cf. Rom. 9:4*-5): in view of the divine choice, they are a people most dear for the sake of the fathers, for the gifts of God are without repentance (cf. Rom. 11:28-*29). But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Moslems: these profess to hold the faith of Abraham,and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day. Nor is God remote from those who in shadows and images seek the unknown God, since he gives to all men life and breath and all things (cf. Acts 17:25*-28),[/TD]
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Ohioguy
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Tell Jesus that......
[h=1]Matthew 12:46-50New International Version (NIV)[/h][h=3]Jesus’ Mother and Brothers[/h][SUP]46 [/SUP]While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. [SUP]47 [/SUP]Someone told him, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you.”
[SUP]48 [/SUP]He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” [SUP]49 [/SUP]Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. [SUP]50 [/SUP]For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”
[h=1]Matthew 12:46-50New International Version (NIV)[/h][h=3]Jesus’ Mother and Brothers[/h][SUP]46 [/SUP]While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. [SUP]47 [/SUP]Someone told him, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you.”
[SUP]48 [/SUP]He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” [SUP]49 [/SUP]Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. [SUP]50 [/SUP]For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”
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AgeofKnowledge
Guest
Your definition is correct and is one that Muslims themselves certainly understand. We are NOT their brothers but rather lowly kafir who can be enslaved just like one would take a wandering cow for their personal property. Here we have a medieval painting showing Muslims branding Caucasian girls captured in sex-slave raids into Christian Europe (correlate this with the many sex grooming Muslim gangs in present Western societies). Muslims who purchased such girls in Islamic slave markets had them branded with red-hot irons.
and sold them on the block:
Muslim invasions, theft, mass murders, rape waves, booty raids, slave raids, wars continuing from 620 AD until as late as the end of the nineteenth century. During the Atlantic Slave Trade, for example, North African Muslim slavers kidnapped and enslaved about a million Europeans from the coasts of Europe though over six million Europeans are estimated to have been taken as slaves with some estimates much higher considering these raids continued for more than 1,000 years.
Not only were the white slaves goods but they were infidels undeserving of the rights of Muslims. Muslims took so many slaves that they were cheap and many owners worked them until premature death and quickly bought replacements.
As Bill Warner, the director of the Center for the Study of Political Islam (CSPI) states:
"Islam’s stand on slavery is based on its political principles of submission and duality. The principle of submission could not be clearer. By definition a slave is the most submissive of all people. You become a slave only when you have no more choices. A slave has completely submitted to a master. The principle of duality is shown by the fact that Islam does not enslave Muslims, only kafirs (non-Muslims). Since only kafirs are enslaved, it assures that more of the world submits to Islam.
Islamic slavery is based on the Trilogy of the Koran, the Sira (Mohammed’s life) and the Hadith (the Traditions of Mohammed). All three texts say that slavery is permitted, ethical, desirable and a virtue. There is not one single negative word about slavery.
Slavery is seen as a process that brings kafirs to Islam. It is a virtue to free slaves, but Mohammed only freed slaves who submitted to Islam. If the kafir slave does not submit, then their children will. So given enough time, slaves convert to Islam. That is one of the reasons that Islam sees slavery as a positive.
Of course, there is another reason that Islam sees slavery as being so "good" and that is the money. Mohammed and the other jihadists made a fortune out of enslaving kafirs. Mohammed used the money for more jihad. So slavery financed the spread of Islam and jihad from the beginning."
Slaves made Mohammed's pulpit. Slaves mended his cloths, cooked his food, and did every thing that a slave does for the master. He gave away slaves as gifts and received them as gifts. He went to war to kill the males so that the remaining people would surrender to be sold as slaves. Mohammed sold slaves on both the retail and wholesale markets.
He offered captured slaves their freedom if they would first agree that he was the prophet of Allah. A kafir slave then became a slave of Allah, because all Muslims are slaves of Allah. For a slave, the religion of Mohammed started and ended with slavery.
Mohammed repeatedly sanctioned forced sex (rape) with kafir females after they were captured. The Hadith clearly reports that he got first choice of the women. In one case, he repeatedly demanded one particular woman for himself and swapped two other kafir slave women for his choice. So if Mohammed was involved in the rape of kafirs, then rape is a virtue, not a sin or error.
When Mohammed destroyed the B. Qurayza tribe, all of the adult male Jews were beheaded, so that no husbands were left. Mohammed then took the children and gave them to Muslims to raise as Muslims and he sold off the Jewish women as slaves.
We know from another story that the women were divided into sex slaves and domestic slaves. In one scene, a jihadist is trying to obtain a high ransom for a woman and he is told that her breasts are flat and her mouth is cold, so her value was less. In short, she was only good for work around the house, not in the bedroom.
The Hadith tells of another story where the Muslims used coitus interruptus to avoid impregnating the kafir sex slaves. The reason was purely for business. If the kafir sex slave was pregnant, then she was worth less money.
Sexual slavery was not only fun and profitable for the Muslim men, but rape was a powerful tactic of war, then and today. The women are forced into submission to Muslim men and the husbands are humiliated. Humiliated men are weakened men, so more kafirs were less able to resist Islam."
That's the "brotherhood" Islam offers the world.
Imagine the shock upper class liberals who support the mass immigration of Muslims into their Western societies are going to receive if Islam ever gains dominance in the West again. They really have no idea what awaits them.
and sold them on the block:
Muslim invasions, theft, mass murders, rape waves, booty raids, slave raids, wars continuing from 620 AD until as late as the end of the nineteenth century. During the Atlantic Slave Trade, for example, North African Muslim slavers kidnapped and enslaved about a million Europeans from the coasts of Europe though over six million Europeans are estimated to have been taken as slaves with some estimates much higher considering these raids continued for more than 1,000 years.
Not only were the white slaves goods but they were infidels undeserving of the rights of Muslims. Muslims took so many slaves that they were cheap and many owners worked them until premature death and quickly bought replacements.
As Bill Warner, the director of the Center for the Study of Political Islam (CSPI) states:
"Islam’s stand on slavery is based on its political principles of submission and duality. The principle of submission could not be clearer. By definition a slave is the most submissive of all people. You become a slave only when you have no more choices. A slave has completely submitted to a master. The principle of duality is shown by the fact that Islam does not enslave Muslims, only kafirs (non-Muslims). Since only kafirs are enslaved, it assures that more of the world submits to Islam.
Islamic slavery is based on the Trilogy of the Koran, the Sira (Mohammed’s life) and the Hadith (the Traditions of Mohammed). All three texts say that slavery is permitted, ethical, desirable and a virtue. There is not one single negative word about slavery.
Slavery is seen as a process that brings kafirs to Islam. It is a virtue to free slaves, but Mohammed only freed slaves who submitted to Islam. If the kafir slave does not submit, then their children will. So given enough time, slaves convert to Islam. That is one of the reasons that Islam sees slavery as a positive.
Of course, there is another reason that Islam sees slavery as being so "good" and that is the money. Mohammed and the other jihadists made a fortune out of enslaving kafirs. Mohammed used the money for more jihad. So slavery financed the spread of Islam and jihad from the beginning."
Slaves made Mohammed's pulpit. Slaves mended his cloths, cooked his food, and did every thing that a slave does for the master. He gave away slaves as gifts and received them as gifts. He went to war to kill the males so that the remaining people would surrender to be sold as slaves. Mohammed sold slaves on both the retail and wholesale markets.
He offered captured slaves their freedom if they would first agree that he was the prophet of Allah. A kafir slave then became a slave of Allah, because all Muslims are slaves of Allah. For a slave, the religion of Mohammed started and ended with slavery.
Mohammed repeatedly sanctioned forced sex (rape) with kafir females after they were captured. The Hadith clearly reports that he got first choice of the women. In one case, he repeatedly demanded one particular woman for himself and swapped two other kafir slave women for his choice. So if Mohammed was involved in the rape of kafirs, then rape is a virtue, not a sin or error.
When Mohammed destroyed the B. Qurayza tribe, all of the adult male Jews were beheaded, so that no husbands were left. Mohammed then took the children and gave them to Muslims to raise as Muslims and he sold off the Jewish women as slaves.
We know from another story that the women were divided into sex slaves and domestic slaves. In one scene, a jihadist is trying to obtain a high ransom for a woman and he is told that her breasts are flat and her mouth is cold, so her value was less. In short, she was only good for work around the house, not in the bedroom.
The Hadith tells of another story where the Muslims used coitus interruptus to avoid impregnating the kafir sex slaves. The reason was purely for business. If the kafir sex slave was pregnant, then she was worth less money.
Sexual slavery was not only fun and profitable for the Muslim men, but rape was a powerful tactic of war, then and today. The women are forced into submission to Muslim men and the husbands are humiliated. Humiliated men are weakened men, so more kafirs were less able to resist Islam."
That's the "brotherhood" Islam offers the world.
Imagine the shock upper class liberals who support the mass immigration of Muslims into their Western societies are going to receive if Islam ever gains dominance in the West again. They really have no idea what awaits them.
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solique
Guest
Your definition is correct and is one that Muslims themselves certainly understand. We are NOT their brothers but rather lowly kafir who can be enslaved just like one would take a wandering cow for their personal property. Here we have a medieval painting showing Muslims branding Caucasian girls captured in sex-slave raids into Christian Europe (correlate this with the many sex grooming Muslim gangs in present Western societies). Muslims who purchased such girls in Islamic slave markets had them branded with red-hot irons.
and sold them on the block:
Muslim invasions, theft, mass murders, rape waves, booty raids, slave raids, wars continuing from 620 AD until as late as the end of the nineteenth century. During the Atlantic Slave Trade, for example, North African Muslim slavers kidnapped and enslaved about a million Europeans from the coasts of Europe though over six million Europeans are estimated to have been taken as slaves with some estimates much higher considering these raids continued for more than 1,000 years.
Not only were the white slaves goods but they were infidels undeserving of the rights of Muslims. Muslims took so many slaves that they were cheap and many owners worked them until premature death and quickly bought replacements.
As Bill Warner, the director of the Center for the Study of Political Islam (CSPI) states:
"Islam’s stand on slavery is based on its political principles of submission and duality. The principle of submission could not be clearer. By definition a slave is the most submissive of all people. You become a slave only when you have no more choices. A slave has completely submitted to a master. The principle of duality is shown by the fact that Islam does not enslave Muslims, only kafirs (non-Muslims). Since only kafirs are enslaved, it assures that more of the world submits to Islam.
Islamic slavery is based on the Trilogy of the Koran, the Sira (Mohammed’s life) and the Hadith (the Traditions of Mohammed). All three texts say that slavery is permitted, ethical, desirable and a virtue. There is not one single negative word about slavery.
Slavery is seen as a process that brings kafirs to Islam. It is a virtue to free slaves, but Mohammed only freed slaves who submitted to Islam. If the kafir slave does not submit, then their children will. So given enough time, slaves convert to Islam. That is one of the reasons that Islam sees slavery as a positive.
Of course, there is another reason that Islam sees slavery as being so "good" and that is the money. Mohammed and the other jihadists made a fortune out of enslaving kafirs. Mohammed used the money for more jihad. So slavery financed the spread of Islam and jihad from the beginning."
Slaves made Mohammed's pulpit. Slaves mended his cloths, cooked his food, and did every thing that a slave does for the master. He gave away slaves as gifts and received them as gifts. He went to war to kill the males so that the remaining people would surrender to be sold as slaves. Mohammed sold slaves on both the retail and wholesale markets.
He offered captured slaves their freedom if they would first agree that he was the prophet of Allah. A kafir slave then became a slave of Allah, because all Muslims are slaves of Allah. For a slave, the religion of Mohammed started and ended with slavery.
Mohammed repeatedly sanctioned forced sex (rape) with kafir females after they were captured. The Hadith clearly reports that he got first choice of the women. In one case, he repeatedly demanded one particular woman for himself and swapped two other kafir slave women for his choice. So if Mohammed was involved in the rape of kafirs, then rape is a virtue, not a sin or error.
When Mohammed destroyed the B. Qurayza tribe, all of the adult male Jews were beheaded, so that no husbands were left. Mohammed then took the children and gave them to Muslims to raise as Muslims and he sold off the Jewish women as slaves.
We know from another story that the women were divided into sex slaves and domestic slaves. In one scene, a jihadist is trying to obtain a high ransom for a woman and he is told that her breasts are flat and her mouth is cold, so her value was less. In short, she was only good for work around the house, not in the bedroom.
The Hadith tells of another story where the Muslims used coitus interruptus to avoid impregnating the kafir sex slaves. The reason was purely for business. If the kafir sex slave was pregnant, then she was worth less money.
Sexual slavery was not only fun and profitable for the Muslim men, but rape was a powerful tactic of war, then and today. The women are forced into submission to Muslim men and the husbands are humiliated. Humiliated men are weakened men, so more kafirs were less able to resist Islam."
That's the "brotherhood" Islam offers the world.
Imagine the shock upper class liberals who support the mass immigration of Muslims into their Western societies are going to receive if Islam ever gains dominance in the West again. They really have no idea what awaits them.
And what about what the non Muslims have done? Who's perfect? Look today at Gaza... Iraq... and I am sure there's more to come..
A Christian would give up their life to give the true message of God to a Muslim.
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AgeofKnowledge
Guest
Let's look at your concern:
Christians in Gaza: There are 1,500 of them. They aren't doing anything but trying to live peacefully and today they called for a ceasefire.
Palestinian Christians - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Christians in Iraq: Christians in Iraq are severely persecuted and not persecuting anyone.
Last remaining Christians flee Iraq's Mosul - Middle East - Al Jazeera English
You're either ignorant to a fault or deranged to attempt to compare Christians in Gaza and Iraq to the Muslims whom are severely persecuting them. .
Christians in Gaza: There are 1,500 of them. They aren't doing anything but trying to live peacefully and today they called for a ceasefire.
Palestinian Christians - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Christians in Iraq: Christians in Iraq are severely persecuted and not persecuting anyone.
Last remaining Christians flee Iraq's Mosul - Middle East - Al Jazeera English
You're either ignorant to a fault or deranged to attempt to compare Christians in Gaza and Iraq to the Muslims whom are severely persecuting them. .
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solique
Guest
AgeofKnowledge,
The ignorant one is yourself sir, because you had no idea what I was taking about. Most people would have known I was referring to the U.S. led invasion of Iraq, and the invasion of Gaza by Israel. I did not, in any way shape or form, mention the Christians of Iraq and Gaza, so you are attributing to me something which i did not say.
The ignorant one is yourself sir, because you had no idea what I was taking about. Most people would have known I was referring to the U.S. led invasion of Iraq, and the invasion of Gaza by Israel. I did not, in any way shape or form, mention the Christians of Iraq and Gaza, so you are attributing to me something which i did not say.
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AgeofKnowledge
Guest
I knew exactly what you meant but your assertion was so fallacious that I decided to redirect you away from making such an ignorant false assertion to the actual reality which is that the Christians in Gaza and Iraq are severely persecuted by Muslims not the other way around.
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solique
Guest
AgeOfKnowledge,
It was not an ignorant false assertion to state that many innocent Muslims in the Middle East have been persecuted by the U.S. and its allies. It is a well known fact.
That may at present be true. But I was merely pointing out that, yes, many Christians in the Middle East are at the moment being persecuted by some fanatical Muslim groups (no, i have not been following, please enlighten me). But why are others so quick to point the finger, whilst turning a blind eye to the kind of persecutions which peaceful Muslim civilians have had to suffer through the actions of the U.S. and its allies including the Zionist state of modern Israel? If you push a people long enough they will eventually push back.
It was not an ignorant false assertion to state that many innocent Muslims in the Middle East have been persecuted by the U.S. and its allies. It is a well known fact.
That may at present be true. But I was merely pointing out that, yes, many Christians in the Middle East are at the moment being persecuted by some fanatical Muslim groups (no, i have not been following, please enlighten me). But why are others so quick to point the finger, whilst turning a blind eye to the kind of persecutions which peaceful Muslim civilians have had to suffer through the actions of the U.S. and its allies including the Zionist state of modern Israel? If you push a people long enough they will eventually push back.
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AgeofKnowledge
Guest
It was an ignorant false assertion to infer that the U.S. is a Christian theocracy which invaded Iraq and Gaza in the name of Christ to further the spread of Christianity in the same way that Muslims foment for Islamic theocracy and the establishment of sharia in the Middle East (and the rest of the world) and that's what you did.
Furthermore, there is NO correlation between Muslims following the teachings of their violent religion of human enslavement and persecution of non-Muslims, noting that Islam is unfortunately more than just a false religious cult but also a totalitarian socio-political legal system, as per the example of Muhammad with Christians who follow the teachings and life of Jesus Christ who never murdered or enslaved anyone nor called for political jihad or the implementation of sharia.
We've shared the statistics on this site repeatedly that about 15% of Muslims are actively involved in terrorist activities or directly supporting and providing aid to those who are with the majority of Muslims sympathetic to the 15%.
So not only are you ignorantly making a false assertion that the U.S. is engaged in a Christian holy war against Muslims in Iraq and Gaza, but you are also ignorantly making false assertions about the religions themselves and the effect their contrasting epistemologies have on the motivations, goals, and behavior of their respective adherents.
Read a history book ignoramus. Muslims have been murdering and enslaving in and outside of the Middle East in line with what their religion teaches since Muhammad murdered his first victim and took his first slave. And read a newspaper while you're at it for it was because Muslims engaged in terrorist activities to further political Islam that the U.S. responded to begin with.
They push because that's what their false religious cult teaches them they must do if they wish to please Allah and go to the sensuous carnal "paradise" that Islam wrongly teaches exists.
If you don't want to be called an ignorant person who makes blatantly false assertions then stop acting like one and engaging in that behavior. Simple.
Furthermore, there is NO correlation between Muslims following the teachings of their violent religion of human enslavement and persecution of non-Muslims, noting that Islam is unfortunately more than just a false religious cult but also a totalitarian socio-political legal system, as per the example of Muhammad with Christians who follow the teachings and life of Jesus Christ who never murdered or enslaved anyone nor called for political jihad or the implementation of sharia.
We've shared the statistics on this site repeatedly that about 15% of Muslims are actively involved in terrorist activities or directly supporting and providing aid to those who are with the majority of Muslims sympathetic to the 15%.
So not only are you ignorantly making a false assertion that the U.S. is engaged in a Christian holy war against Muslims in Iraq and Gaza, but you are also ignorantly making false assertions about the religions themselves and the effect their contrasting epistemologies have on the motivations, goals, and behavior of their respective adherents.
Read a history book ignoramus. Muslims have been murdering and enslaving in and outside of the Middle East in line with what their religion teaches since Muhammad murdered his first victim and took his first slave. And read a newspaper while you're at it for it was because Muslims engaged in terrorist activities to further political Islam that the U.S. responded to begin with.
They push because that's what their false religious cult teaches them they must do if they wish to please Allah and go to the sensuous carnal "paradise" that Islam wrongly teaches exists.
If you don't want to be called an ignorant person who makes blatantly false assertions then stop acting like one and engaging in that behavior. Simple.
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AgeofKnowledge
Guest
It's not hard to track Muslims, they leave dead bodies wherever they go. Naturally, nation states react to the terrorist behavior of Muslims.
Islam: Making a True Difference in the World - One Body at a Time
"Hamas did not suddenly become a terrorist organization after it was elected. Hamas was elected because it was a jihadist organization. It was elected because, by its own declaration, Hamas connects Palestinians to something they find attractive: the global Islamic-supremacist movement. Palestinians widely reject Israel’s right to exist. They regard not just Gaza, Judea and Samaria but all of Israel as “occupied Palestine.” Even those Palestinians who purport to accept the “two-state solution” see it as a way-station on the march to a one-state solution in which the Jewish state eventually ceases to be. Palestinians chose Hamas precisely because Hamas was seen as more dedicated than Fatah to the achievement of that goal—not to mention, more brutally competent.
At the time of its election, Hamas was well known to be the Muslim Brotherhood’s Palestinian terrorist wing. It has been formally designated as a terrorist organization by the United States since the mid-nineties. Indeed, shortly before Palestinians endorsed Hamas at the ballot box, the U.S. Department of Justice indicted several Hamas operatives in the Holy Land Foundation case, a multi-million dollar terrorism financing conspiracy orchestrated by the Muslim Brotherhood in which several of the Brotherhood’s American affiliates—CAIR, the Islamic Society of North America, the North American Islamic Trust, among others—were proved to be complicit in the promotion of Hamas and thus designated as unindicted co-conspirators."
Ordered Liberty � Palestinians Chose Hamas and the Mass-Murder of Civilians—Including Their Own
Hamas's Civilian Death Strategy: Gazans shelter terrorists and their weapons in their homes, right beside sofas and dirty diapers.
Thane Rosenbaum: Hamas's Civilian Death Strategy - WSJ
“[O]ur struggle against the Jews is extremely wide-ranging and grave,” its Introduction proclaims, “so much so that it will need all the loyal efforts we can wield, to be followed by further steps and reinforced by successive battalions from the multifarious Arab and Islamic world, until the enemies are defeated and Allah’s victory prevails.”
That is just a warm-up for Jew-hatred that pervades the Charter’s Article Seven:
"Hamas is one of the links in the Chain of Jihad in the confrontation with the Zionist invasion. It links up with the setting out of the Martyr Izz a-din al-Qassam and his brothers in the Muslim Brotherhood who fought the Holy War in 1936; it further relates to another link of the Palestinian Jihad and the Jihad and efforts of the Muslim Brothers during the 1948 War, and to the Jihad operations of the Muslim Brothers in 1968 and thereafter. But even if the links have become distant from each other, and even if the obstacles erected by those who revolve in the Zionist orbit, aiming at obstructing the road before the Jihad fighters, have rendered the pursuance of Jihad impossible; nevertheless, the Hamas has been looking forward to implement Allah’s promise whatever time it might take. The prophet, prayer and peace be upon him, said:
"The time will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews (and kill them); until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry: O Muslim! there is a Jew hiding behind me, come on and kill him! This will not apply to the Gharqad, which is a Jewish tree."
This is what Palestinians voted for. The highlighted section of Article Seven comes straight from Islamic scripture, from the authoritative Bukhari and Muslim collections of hadith (the sayings and doings of the prophet Mohammed). It foretells an eternal struggle until the end of time, when, with Allah’s intercession, the rocks and trees will help Muslim battalions find and kill every remaining Jew.
Amazon.com: The Grand Jihad: How Islam and the Left Sabotage America (9781594033773): Andrew C McCarthy: Books
"Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi, who is the chief sharia jurist of the Muslim Brotherhood and, perhaps, the most influential Sunni Islamic-supremacist figure in the world. He is also a staunch champion of Hamas, having issued fatwas that enthusiastically authorize suicide attacks against Israeli civilians:
“They are not suicide operations,” he claimed in April 2001. “These are heroic martyrdom operations, and the heroes who carry them out don’t embark on this action out of hopelessness and despair but are driven by an overwhelming desire to cast terror and fear into the hearts of the oppressors.”
But what about the fact that these indiscriminate “martyrdom operations” kill Israeli civilians? Qaradawi rejects the premise – there are, he maintains, no Israeli civilians. “Israeli society is a military society, and every person is either a soldier in the Israeli Army or a reserve soldier,” he told al-Jazeera that same spring – repeating a theme that, for him, is a constant.
Israelis, therefore, “must be intimidated, until they return to the countries from which they came.” This, it should be noted, is substantially indistinguishable from al Qaeda’s rationale for mass-murdering American civilians. As Osama bin Laden explained, Americans choose and arm their government and should thus be attacked the same way a jihadist would attack their government.
To its great credit, Israel does not target Palestinian civilians even though, in the Palestinian terrorist jihad, there are few real civilians among a population that chose Hamas as its leader and provides Hamas’s atrocious campaigns with material support and encouragement. Like any competent military fighting a defensive war for its nation’s survival, Israel’s defense forces kill some Palestinian non-combatants collaterally, in the pursuit of necessary and wholly legitimate military objectives. The killings of non-combatants are inflated by the Palestinian practice of using “civilians” as human shields, the better to wage the all-important propaganda part of the jihad that is so effective in swaying Western progressives."
9 Things You Need To Know About Hamas | The Daily Caller
The Christian Purge From Mosul - WSJ
Who Is Killing Palestinian Children? | FrontPage Magazine
Etc... etc... etc...
Islam: Making a True Difference in the World - One Body at a Time
"Hamas did not suddenly become a terrorist organization after it was elected. Hamas was elected because it was a jihadist organization. It was elected because, by its own declaration, Hamas connects Palestinians to something they find attractive: the global Islamic-supremacist movement. Palestinians widely reject Israel’s right to exist. They regard not just Gaza, Judea and Samaria but all of Israel as “occupied Palestine.” Even those Palestinians who purport to accept the “two-state solution” see it as a way-station on the march to a one-state solution in which the Jewish state eventually ceases to be. Palestinians chose Hamas precisely because Hamas was seen as more dedicated than Fatah to the achievement of that goal—not to mention, more brutally competent.
At the time of its election, Hamas was well known to be the Muslim Brotherhood’s Palestinian terrorist wing. It has been formally designated as a terrorist organization by the United States since the mid-nineties. Indeed, shortly before Palestinians endorsed Hamas at the ballot box, the U.S. Department of Justice indicted several Hamas operatives in the Holy Land Foundation case, a multi-million dollar terrorism financing conspiracy orchestrated by the Muslim Brotherhood in which several of the Brotherhood’s American affiliates—CAIR, the Islamic Society of North America, the North American Islamic Trust, among others—were proved to be complicit in the promotion of Hamas and thus designated as unindicted co-conspirators."
Ordered Liberty � Palestinians Chose Hamas and the Mass-Murder of Civilians—Including Their Own
Hamas's Civilian Death Strategy: Gazans shelter terrorists and their weapons in their homes, right beside sofas and dirty diapers.
Thane Rosenbaum: Hamas's Civilian Death Strategy - WSJ
“[O]ur struggle against the Jews is extremely wide-ranging and grave,” its Introduction proclaims, “so much so that it will need all the loyal efforts we can wield, to be followed by further steps and reinforced by successive battalions from the multifarious Arab and Islamic world, until the enemies are defeated and Allah’s victory prevails.”
That is just a warm-up for Jew-hatred that pervades the Charter’s Article Seven:
"Hamas is one of the links in the Chain of Jihad in the confrontation with the Zionist invasion. It links up with the setting out of the Martyr Izz a-din al-Qassam and his brothers in the Muslim Brotherhood who fought the Holy War in 1936; it further relates to another link of the Palestinian Jihad and the Jihad and efforts of the Muslim Brothers during the 1948 War, and to the Jihad operations of the Muslim Brothers in 1968 and thereafter. But even if the links have become distant from each other, and even if the obstacles erected by those who revolve in the Zionist orbit, aiming at obstructing the road before the Jihad fighters, have rendered the pursuance of Jihad impossible; nevertheless, the Hamas has been looking forward to implement Allah’s promise whatever time it might take. The prophet, prayer and peace be upon him, said:
"The time will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews (and kill them); until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry: O Muslim! there is a Jew hiding behind me, come on and kill him! This will not apply to the Gharqad, which is a Jewish tree."
This is what Palestinians voted for. The highlighted section of Article Seven comes straight from Islamic scripture, from the authoritative Bukhari and Muslim collections of hadith (the sayings and doings of the prophet Mohammed). It foretells an eternal struggle until the end of time, when, with Allah’s intercession, the rocks and trees will help Muslim battalions find and kill every remaining Jew.
Amazon.com: The Grand Jihad: How Islam and the Left Sabotage America (9781594033773): Andrew C McCarthy: Books
"Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi, who is the chief sharia jurist of the Muslim Brotherhood and, perhaps, the most influential Sunni Islamic-supremacist figure in the world. He is also a staunch champion of Hamas, having issued fatwas that enthusiastically authorize suicide attacks against Israeli civilians:
“They are not suicide operations,” he claimed in April 2001. “These are heroic martyrdom operations, and the heroes who carry them out don’t embark on this action out of hopelessness and despair but are driven by an overwhelming desire to cast terror and fear into the hearts of the oppressors.”
But what about the fact that these indiscriminate “martyrdom operations” kill Israeli civilians? Qaradawi rejects the premise – there are, he maintains, no Israeli civilians. “Israeli society is a military society, and every person is either a soldier in the Israeli Army or a reserve soldier,” he told al-Jazeera that same spring – repeating a theme that, for him, is a constant.
Israelis, therefore, “must be intimidated, until they return to the countries from which they came.” This, it should be noted, is substantially indistinguishable from al Qaeda’s rationale for mass-murdering American civilians. As Osama bin Laden explained, Americans choose and arm their government and should thus be attacked the same way a jihadist would attack their government.
To its great credit, Israel does not target Palestinian civilians even though, in the Palestinian terrorist jihad, there are few real civilians among a population that chose Hamas as its leader and provides Hamas’s atrocious campaigns with material support and encouragement. Like any competent military fighting a defensive war for its nation’s survival, Israel’s defense forces kill some Palestinian non-combatants collaterally, in the pursuit of necessary and wholly legitimate military objectives. The killings of non-combatants are inflated by the Palestinian practice of using “civilians” as human shields, the better to wage the all-important propaganda part of the jihad that is so effective in swaying Western progressives."
9 Things You Need To Know About Hamas | The Daily Caller
The Christian Purge From Mosul - WSJ
Who Is Killing Palestinian Children? | FrontPage Magazine
Etc... etc... etc...
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AgeofKnowledge,
No I did not. Read back on my posts and show me where I said or inferred that the U.S. and its allies (including Israel), invaded Iraq and Gaza 'in the name of Christ to further the spread of Christianity'? I never said nor inferred that.
I initially said.... 'who is perfect. Look at what non-Muslims have done... Look at Gaza... Look at Iraq'.
Where in that do you see the word "Christians"?
Please stop claiming that I said something that I did not.
Oh....
And how many Westerners supported in their heart and mind the slaughter of innocent Muslims in Iraq and Gaza. And how many will support whatever is to come?
No, ignoramus..... The U.S. responded, because they had 'other interests' in the Middle East - namely oil.
No I did not. Read back on my posts and show me where I said or inferred that the U.S. and its allies (including Israel), invaded Iraq and Gaza 'in the name of Christ to further the spread of Christianity'? I never said nor inferred that.
I initially said.... 'who is perfect. Look at what non-Muslims have done... Look at Gaza... Look at Iraq'.
Where in that do you see the word "Christians"?
Please stop claiming that I said something that I did not.
Oh....
And how many Westerners supported in their heart and mind the slaughter of innocent Muslims in Iraq and Gaza. And how many will support whatever is to come?
No, ignoramus..... The U.S. responded, because they had 'other interests' in the Middle East - namely oil.
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Its wrong for Israel to protect itself?
Lets go to the facts...Israel had control of the Gaza region and gave it to the palistinians...right?
They made it a base to attack Israel from.
Israel gives.....and gets missiles back in return.
Evil Israel....so evil.
See when you make statements that what Israel is doing is bad, you are saying you want them all dead. That is the only alternative for them, death, or fight....
and Israel is not making those terms.
Lets go to the facts...Israel had control of the Gaza region and gave it to the palistinians...right?
They made it a base to attack Israel from.
Israel gives.....and gets missiles back in return.
Evil Israel....so evil.
See when you make statements that what Israel is doing is bad, you are saying you want them all dead. That is the only alternative for them, death, or fight....
and Israel is not making those terms.
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SonInMe,
Killing innocent people is not the way of Jesus Christ.
Mentally or spiritually supporting the killing of innocent people, is also not the way of Jesus Christ.
The commandments of God are to be obeyed.
One of those commandments is 'Though shalt not kill.
Killing can be done spiritually, not only physically. (Matt 6).
The true Saints are those who keep the commandments of God, and have the faith of Jesus.
The mark of the Beast (Kingdom), is a sign on the forehead, or on the right hand (Rev 13).
The commandments of God are to be bound.... as a sign/mark.... on the forehead.... and on the hand. (Deut 11:13-22, Deut 6).
Jesus cares about the suffering of others. Those who know God also care about the suffering of others.
Gaza is one of the most densely populated places on this planet. They are under siege, and have been for quite some time. They cannot leave. They cannot defend them-self.
Killing innocent people is not the way of Jesus Christ.
Mentally or spiritually supporting the killing of innocent people, is also not the way of Jesus Christ.
The commandments of God are to be obeyed.
One of those commandments is 'Though shalt not kill.
Killing can be done spiritually, not only physically. (Matt 6).
The true Saints are those who keep the commandments of God, and have the faith of Jesus.
The mark of the Beast (Kingdom), is a sign on the forehead, or on the right hand (Rev 13).
The commandments of God are to be bound.... as a sign/mark.... on the forehead.... and on the hand. (Deut 11:13-22, Deut 6).
Jesus cares about the suffering of others. Those who know God also care about the suffering of others.
Gaza is one of the most densely populated places on this planet. They are under siege, and have been for quite some time. They cannot leave. They cannot defend them-self.
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The following sites and groups have true information on subjects such as Palestine.
True Torah Jews
Neturei Karta
International Jewish Anti-Zionist Movement.
Jews Against Zionism
From Neturei Karta:
"Judaism And Zionism Are Not The Same Thing
We would like to take a few minutes of your time to prevent you from making a terrible mistake that may have disastrous results for many.
You have always without a doubt heard and read much about the political crises in the Middle East in which the State of Israel plays a central role. This is, in fact, an ongoing series of crises with potential to bring the greatest misfortune on the entire world. Tragically many believe that Zionism and Judaism are identical. Thus they conclude that the entire Jewish people is responsible for the actions of the Zionist government and the world crises which emanates from it. This is a Grave Error!
The truth is that the Jewish faith and Zionism are two very different philosophies. They are as opposite as day and night. The Jewish people have existed for thousands of years. In their two thousand years of Divinely decreed exile no Jew ever sought to end this exile and establish independent political sovereignty anywhere. The people's sole purpose was the study and fulfillment of the Divine commandments of the Torah.
The Zionist movement created the Israeli state. The latter is a persuasion less than one hundred years old. Its essential goal was and is to change the nature of the Jewish people from that of a religious entity to a political movement. From Zionism's inception the spiritual leaders of the Jewish people stood in staunch opposition to it.
To this day Torah Jewry remains forever loyal to its faith. Zionists want the world to believe that they are the representatives of the entire Jewish people. This is false! The Jewish people never chose them as their leaders.
The Zionists have deceived many well meaning Jewish people via terror, trickery and false propaganda. They have at their disposal the use of a nearly universally subservient media. Whoever attempts to criticize them puts his livelihood and, at times, his very life in danger.
However, despite the media blackout and easy resort to terror the simple truth remains unrefuted and irrefutable: ACCORDING TO THE JEWISH FAITH AND TORAH LAW THE JEWISH PEOPLE ARE FORBIDDEN TO HAVE THEIR OWN STATE WHILE AWAITING THE MESSIANIC ERA!
The Creator gave us the Holy Land thousands of years ago. Yet, when we sinned, He took it away and sent us into exile. Since that time our task is to wait for Him to send the Messiah. At that time, the Creator alone, without any human being lifting a hand or saying a word, will bring us together and take us out of exile. He will likewise establish universal peace among all mankind and all will serve Him in good will.
Some religious Jews, confused by Zionist propaganda quote Biblical verses that state that G-d gave the children of Israel the Holy Land. They overlook, unfortunately, those verses which say that He took it away due to our sins. They further ignore those prophecies which explicitly describe the last exile's conclusion as a Divine, not a human process.
The Creator has commanded every Jew to follow the ways of peace and to be loyal to the country where he lives.
Torah true Jewry waits patiently for the Messianic redemption. They have nothing to do with any kind of pseudo "Jewish State" and its aggressions against other peoples. They have a deep sympathy for the plight of the Palestinians who have suffered the most from Zionism's false teachings and barbaric actions. The Zionist state is not a Jewish state. The Zionists alone are the only ones responsible for their actions. Authentic Jewry has and will continue to oppose the very existence of this blasphemous state.
May all mankind witness the true redemption."
True Torah Jews
Neturei Karta
International Jewish Anti-Zionist Movement.
Jews Against Zionism
From Neturei Karta:
"Judaism And Zionism Are Not The Same Thing
We would like to take a few minutes of your time to prevent you from making a terrible mistake that may have disastrous results for many.
You have always without a doubt heard and read much about the political crises in the Middle East in which the State of Israel plays a central role. This is, in fact, an ongoing series of crises with potential to bring the greatest misfortune on the entire world. Tragically many believe that Zionism and Judaism are identical. Thus they conclude that the entire Jewish people is responsible for the actions of the Zionist government and the world crises which emanates from it. This is a Grave Error!
The truth is that the Jewish faith and Zionism are two very different philosophies. They are as opposite as day and night. The Jewish people have existed for thousands of years. In their two thousand years of Divinely decreed exile no Jew ever sought to end this exile and establish independent political sovereignty anywhere. The people's sole purpose was the study and fulfillment of the Divine commandments of the Torah.
The Zionist movement created the Israeli state. The latter is a persuasion less than one hundred years old. Its essential goal was and is to change the nature of the Jewish people from that of a religious entity to a political movement. From Zionism's inception the spiritual leaders of the Jewish people stood in staunch opposition to it.
To this day Torah Jewry remains forever loyal to its faith. Zionists want the world to believe that they are the representatives of the entire Jewish people. This is false! The Jewish people never chose them as their leaders.
The Zionists have deceived many well meaning Jewish people via terror, trickery and false propaganda. They have at their disposal the use of a nearly universally subservient media. Whoever attempts to criticize them puts his livelihood and, at times, his very life in danger.
However, despite the media blackout and easy resort to terror the simple truth remains unrefuted and irrefutable: ACCORDING TO THE JEWISH FAITH AND TORAH LAW THE JEWISH PEOPLE ARE FORBIDDEN TO HAVE THEIR OWN STATE WHILE AWAITING THE MESSIANIC ERA!
The Creator gave us the Holy Land thousands of years ago. Yet, when we sinned, He took it away and sent us into exile. Since that time our task is to wait for Him to send the Messiah. At that time, the Creator alone, without any human being lifting a hand or saying a word, will bring us together and take us out of exile. He will likewise establish universal peace among all mankind and all will serve Him in good will.
Some religious Jews, confused by Zionist propaganda quote Biblical verses that state that G-d gave the children of Israel the Holy Land. They overlook, unfortunately, those verses which say that He took it away due to our sins. They further ignore those prophecies which explicitly describe the last exile's conclusion as a Divine, not a human process.
The Creator has commanded every Jew to follow the ways of peace and to be loyal to the country where he lives.
Torah true Jewry waits patiently for the Messianic redemption. They have nothing to do with any kind of pseudo "Jewish State" and its aggressions against other peoples. They have a deep sympathy for the plight of the Palestinians who have suffered the most from Zionism's false teachings and barbaric actions. The Zionist state is not a Jewish state. The Zionists alone are the only ones responsible for their actions. Authentic Jewry has and will continue to oppose the very existence of this blasphemous state.
May all mankind witness the true redemption."
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Further, from Christian Post.
Palestinian Christian: Western Christians Don't Understand Gaza/Israeli Conflict
"Western Christians fail to fully grasp the suffering of Palestinians, including its Christian population, Bethlehem Bible College professor and Palestinian Christian told The Christian Post on Monday.
"The Christians in the west, most of them, they don't know the realities here. They don't know who is occupying who, who is oppressing who, who is confiscating whose land, who is building walls to try and separate people from one another," Alex Awad, who also pastors East Jerusalem Church, told The Christian Post.
"In the United States and much of Europe people — they just don't understand the realities on the ground," he added.
No, they live among the Muslims in Gaza and therefore as much as the Muslims are suffering, the Christians are suffering, not only in the Gaza strip but also in the West Bank."
(Full article can be read HERE)
"Palestinian Christians have not turned violent, Awad emphasized.
"The Christians in the West bank and the Gaza strip are not part of the fighting. We are not fighting on the side of Hamas. We are not fighting on the side of Israel. Most Christians are very, very neutral. We know in our hearts, we side with our Palestinian brothers and sisters, even the Muslims, because we know they are the ones under occupation, they are the ones who are under oppression, and we see that because it is very obvious for people who live here who is actually violating the other human rights," said Awad."
Palestinian Christian: Western Christians Don't Understand Gaza/Israeli Conflict
"Western Christians fail to fully grasp the suffering of Palestinians, including its Christian population, Bethlehem Bible College professor and Palestinian Christian told The Christian Post on Monday.
"The Christians in the west, most of them, they don't know the realities here. They don't know who is occupying who, who is oppressing who, who is confiscating whose land, who is building walls to try and separate people from one another," Alex Awad, who also pastors East Jerusalem Church, told The Christian Post.
"In the United States and much of Europe people — they just don't understand the realities on the ground," he added.
No, they live among the Muslims in Gaza and therefore as much as the Muslims are suffering, the Christians are suffering, not only in the Gaza strip but also in the West Bank."
(Full article can be read HERE)
"Palestinian Christians have not turned violent, Awad emphasized.
"The Christians in the West bank and the Gaza strip are not part of the fighting. We are not fighting on the side of Hamas. We are not fighting on the side of Israel. Most Christians are very, very neutral. We know in our hearts, we side with our Palestinian brothers and sisters, even the Muslims, because we know they are the ones under occupation, they are the ones who are under oppression, and we see that because it is very obvious for people who live here who is actually violating the other human rights," said Awad."
Jesus said love your enemy. Killing is not His teaching. So it doesn't matter who, killer is not His follower.
Not every American or American authority is Christian. There is shadowing government in America. So it better if we find the real player and criticize them rather than criticize the puppet.
If your light engine on don't take out the light bulb. it will not solve the problem but destroy the engine.
It better fixed the engine.
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Hi Jackson, thanks. I understand.
I read a book once which began with the story of the Illuminati and the Protocols of Zion. Numerous Muslims also believe the Freemasons are linked with the antichrist (Dajal).
You are right. Killing is not Jesus' teaching.
Jesus said 'Greater love hath no man than he who lays down his life for his friends.'
Who did Jesus lay down his life for; and who are his friends.. 'And when I am lifted up from the earth, I will draw all people to myself'. The Greek word for 'all' is pas. all, the whole, every kind of.
Peace.
I read a book once which began with the story of the Illuminati and the Protocols of Zion. Numerous Muslims also believe the Freemasons are linked with the antichrist (Dajal).
You are right. Killing is not Jesus' teaching.
Jesus said 'Greater love hath no man than he who lays down his life for his friends.'
Who did Jesus lay down his life for; and who are his friends.. 'And when I am lifted up from the earth, I will draw all people to myself'. The Greek word for 'all' is pas. all, the whole, every kind of.
Peace.