Hell Is Evil

[AgeofKnowledge]

I suppose it's time to correct your false assertions as well Jason0047. That's great you have feelings and your best thinking but I have God's Word and it refutes what you are saying.

The Bible teaches that the human spirit survives consciously apart from its body with the soul intact eternally. There is no annihilation for either the saved or unsaved.

Heaven is "everlasting," and the same word (Gk: aihion), used in the same context, also affirms that hell is everlasting as is heaven forever.

There is absolutely no biblical ground for supposing that one's spirit is both eternal and temporal. Likewise, there is no possibility of a person escaping hell after arriving (cf. Luke 16:26). Judgment begins after death (Heb. 9:27; John 8:21).

What is more, people are conscious after they die, whether in heaven or in hell. It makes no sense to resurrect unbelievers to everlasting judgment (Dan. 12:2; John 5:28-29) before the Great White Throne (Rev. 20:11) in order to punish them for their sins unless they are conscious.

Annihilation of the wicked is contrary to both the nature of God and the nature of humans made in His image. It is not consistent with the character of an all-loving God to snuff out the souls of those who do not do His wishes. Further, were God to annihilate human beings, He would be annihilating what was originally made in His image (Gen. 1:27), and He is immortal.

That these suffer does not justify annihilating them any more than having a child in pain justifies smothering it. Annhihilationism violates God's nature and human freedom as recognized not only by believers but also by some who have denied God.

Not only will hell's duration be as long as heaven's, but it also will endure as long as God Himself-the same term meaning "eternal" (Gk: aihion) is used of all three.

Romans 16:26 declares that God's mystery is "now revealed and made known through the prophetic writings by the command of the eternal God, so that all nations might believe and obey him." Since hell is reserved for those who have lived for sin instead of for the eternal God, hell will endure as long as the eternal God against whom they have sinned: forever.

 

[sassylady]

It is each person's choice for either God or the lake of fire, period. It is hard to understand after what you saw but if you continue to follow the Lord, when you get to Heaven you will fully understand as He does.

 

[Jason0047]

I believe why most hold to ECT (Eternal Conscious Torment) is because they do not understand that the word "forever" does not always mean "forever" in the Bible.


Take Revelation 14:11 KJV as an example.
Should the English words "for ever" (or "forever") be read literally meaning an endless state?


Well, I heard a pastor once say that the best way to interpret the Bible is to let the Bible do the interpreting for you. What I am I talking about? Well, the Bible tells us that the phrase "smoke of their torment ascendeth up forever" is a metaphorical phrase from Isaiah 34:10 KJV which says that the smoke of Edom went up forever and ever. Yet is the city of Edom burning today? No, of course not. So we then realize that this phrase is speaking metaphorically.


In other words, the word "forever" (and it's related words) does not always mean forever in the Bible. “Forever” can have a temporal sense. For what do you make of the following verses below that say that "forever" (or it's related words) is not forever?


• In Gen.13:15 the land of Canaan is given to Israel “forever”.


• The Law is to be a statute “forever” (Ex.12:24; 27:21; 28:43).


• Sodom's fiery judgment is "eternal" (Jude 7) until -- God "will restore the fortunes of Sodom" (Ezek.16:53-55).


• Israel's "affliction is incurable" (Jer.30:12) until -- the Lord "will restore health" and heal her wounds (Jer.30:17).


• The sin of Samaria "is incurable" (Mic.1:9) until -- Lord "will restore ... the fortunes of Samaria." (Ez.16:53).


• Ammon is to become a "wasteland forever" and "rise no more" (Zeph.2:9, Jer.25:27 until -- the Lord will "restore the fortunes of the Ammonites" (Jer.49:6).


• An Ammonite or Moabite is forbidden to enter the Lord's congregation "forever" until -- the tenth generation (Deut.23:3):


• Habakkuk tells us of mountains that were "everlasting" until -- they "were shattered" Hab.3 3:6).


• The Aaronic Priesthood was to be an "everlasting" priesthood (Ex.40:15), that is-until-it was superceded by the Melchizedek Priesthood (Heb.7:14-18).


• Many translations of the Bible inform us that God would dwell in Solomon's Temple "forever" (1 Kings 8:13), until -- the Temple was destroyed.


• The children of Israel were to "observe the Sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant" (Exodus 31:16)-until -- Paul states there remains "another day" of Sabbath rest for the people of God (Heb. 4:8,9).


• The Law of Moses was to be an "everlasting covenant" (Lev.24:8) yet we read in the New Covenant the first was "done away" and "abolished" (2 Cor. 3:11,13), and God "made the first old" (Hebrews 8:13).


• The fire for Israel's sin offering (of a ram without blemish) is never to be put out. It shall be a "perpetual" until -- Christ, the Lamb of God, dies for our sins.
Hell. We now have a better covenant established on better promises (Lev. 6:12-13, Heb. 8:6-13).


• God's waves of wrath roll over Jonah "forever" until--the Lord delivers him from the large fish's belly on the third day (Jonah 2:6,10; 1: 17); Egypt and Elam will "rise no more" (Jer.25:27) until -- the Lord will "restore the fortunes of Egypt" (Ez.29:14) and "restore the fortunes of Elam" (Jer.49:39).


• "Moab is destroyed" (Jer.48:4, 42) until--the Lord "will restore the fortunes of Moab" (Jer.48:47).


• Israel's judgment lasts "forever" until -- the Spirit is poured out and God restores it (Isa.32:13-15).


• The King James Bible, as well as many others, tells us that a bond slave was to serve his master "forever" (Exodus 21:6), until -- his death.


• “Eternal” (Greek aionia, αιονια) is sometimes used of a limited (not endless) period of time. But the most common use is illustrated in II Cor.4:18 where it is contrasted with “temporal” and in Philemon 15 where it is contrasted with “for a while.”




Source Used:
http://www.apttoteach.org/Theology/End times/pdf/911_Hell.pdf

 

[Jason0047]

"The Real Hell (Torment not Torture) Conditionalism View"
(A Quick Overview):


What is the Conditional View of Hell? Well, the Lake of Fire is eternal; But the amount of time they spend in the Lake of Fire depends on the degree of sin that they have committed here in this life. In other words, once they serve their time in the Lake of Fire (according to the type of sins they committed) the soul and spirit body will be destroyed within the Lake of Fire. For Jesus said, "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." (Matthew 10:28). Hell here is translated as "geenna" γέεννα. Which is a reference to the Lake of Fire.


So the punishment has eternal consequences where the soul and spirit body are eventually destroyed or put to ruin. For it is everlasting punishment (Matthew 25:46) --- Not everlasting punishing.


I recently started to believe in the Conditional View of Hell a few months ago based on the light of Scripture.


The key verse in my turning point was in properly understanding Revelation 14:11. The passage says, "And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name." What is this smoke of torment that goes up forever and ever? Well, the Bible tells us that it is a metaphorical phrase because Isaiah 34:10 says that the smoke of Edom went up forever and ever. Yet Edom is not burning today. So we then realize that this phrase is speaking metaphorically.


In any event, I just recently discovered this website article that solidified my position on the Conditional View of Hell even more with tons of Scripture verses (Making it unmistakable). Here is the link:


Believe What the Jewish Apostles Taught -- Why Conditional Immortality Is True and Biblical


It's a good article that is really really long with tons of verses for you to study and pray over. The only thing I have to warn you about is that although they believe in a real Lake of Fire, they wrongfully believe in soul sleep (Instead of being conscious in Hell) until the time Judgment and the Lake of Fire. They also wrongfully believe that the story of Lazarus and the Rich-man is just a Parable. Which is also wrong.


In Luke 16:19-31: What they fail to understand is that when the Rich-man went to Torments (Hell or Hades), he was not actually being burned by any flames. In Luke 16:24, the Rich-man was referring to the fact about how he was tormented in the flame that was in front of him that was in the gulf that was between him and Abraham (Sort of like if I said I am happy in this car --- yet the car is in front of me). (Similar language like this can be found with the words "in these" in Isaiah 57:6 KJV). It was the heat of the flame that made him uncomfortable or tormented. For although I am open to understanding otherwise according to Scripture, I currently do not believe he was in extreme physical pain or torture. For if the Rich-man was engulfed by entire flames --- he wouldn't be asking for a little water to cool his tongue, he would be asking for a giant barrel of water or lots of buckets of water to lower the flame or to put it out.


In fact, the key is to always look at cross references so as to best understand Scripture. The cross reference for Luke 16:19-31 is Genesis 18:22-33 and Genesis 19:27-28.


Here are the chapters in the King James:


KJV:
Luke 16 KJV
Genesis 18 KJV
Genesis 19 KJV


And here are the chapters in the New Language Translation (NLT):


NLT:
Luke 16 NLT
Genesis 18 NLT
Genesis 19 NLT


Anyways, if you were to read these chapters, you would discover in Genesis 19 that Abraham looked at the billowing smoke from Sodom. When looking at all of Scripture, one can easily conclude that Abraham simply wanted to know what happened to this city because he was worried that Lot might have perished there. For Abraham might have learned later about how Lot made it to safety, but we get no indication within the text that Abraham knew that Lot was okay or safe. So I imagine it tormented Abraham a little in seeing that smoke. For he pleaded with God to spare the city (no doubt for Lot's sake). In fact, I imagine he pictured a fire in his mind where the smoke was coming from the city. But now in the New Testament, Abraham had knowledge as to why he and a righteous man named Lazarus was in Paradise (a Heaven like compartment in the realm of the dead) and he had knowledge as to why the Rich-man was in Hades or Torments. Abraham now looked at an actual real flame and had the understanding. Whereas the Rich-man looked at the flame on the other side and was tormented by it's heat and by the fact that it reminded him of the upcoming Lake of Fire. Both men (Abraham and the Rich-man were tormented by a fire) but each of them had two entirely different experiences concerning that fire which was in front of them.


In addition, another parallel I recently noticed between Lazarus and the Rich Man account (Luke 16:19-31) and Genesis 18 is that both Abraham's story in Genesis 18-19 and the Rich Man's story begin with their eyes being lifted up.


Abraham:

"And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day; And he lift up his eyes and looked, ..." (Genesis 18:1-2)​

Rich Man:

"...the rich man also died, and was buried; And in hell he lift up his eyes, ..." (Luke 16:22-23)​

In other words, this above example is trying to tell us that the two stories are tied together in order to give us an important message. What is that message? Well, I believe both stories are trying to tell us that God is fair and just in His Judgments. For "Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?" (Genesis 18:25) (cf. Luke 16:25).


As for the devil and the false prophet being tormented forever in Revelation 20:10 - Well, I believe the devil and the false prophet who are both demons will eventually perish in the Lake of Fire. For the word "forever" does not always mean forever in the Bible. “Forever” can have a temporal sense as in Isaiah 34:10 where the fire that will consume Edom “shall go up forever.”


• In Genesis 13:15 the land of Canaan is given to Israel “forever”.


• The Law is to be a statute “forever” (Ex.12:24; 27:21; 28:43).


• Sodom's fiery judgment is "eternal" (Jude 7) until -- God "will restore the fortunes of Sodom" (Ezek.16:53-55).


• God's waves of wrath roll over Jonah "forever" until--the Lord delivers him from the large fish's belly on the third day (Jonah 2:6,10; 1: 17)


So when it says forever in Revelation 20:10 it is a colorful expression of strong emotion for the totality of the devil's allotted time of punishment. It is a strong expression of emotion of totality. Sort of like how a man might say to his wife in love, "I am your husband forever." However, he knows he won't be her husband forever because he knows death will separate them as husband and wife in the future. But what evidence is there that Satan will perish in the Lake of Fire with everyone else?


Well, you may or may not know this, but Isaiah 14:12-20 and Ezekiel 28:11-19 are well known verses amongst Christians that talk about the devil. They are passages that describe both the devil and the evil rulers who were living during that time. Anyways, Ezekiel 28:18 says that the fire will devour the devil and he will be brought to ashes. Isaiah 14:19 says the devil's carcase will be trodden under foot. Meaning he will be nothing but a charred up corpse or a destroyed spiritual body.


In any event, I hope that what I said here has comforted you. But please do not take my word for it. Search the Scriptures for yourself and pray over them and double check it for yourself. Let the Lord guide you into all truth by asking Him (Jeremiah 33:3).


But again, don't forget to check out this article on this topic:


Believe What the Jewish Apostles Taught -- Why Conditional Immortality Is True and Biblical


I think you will be amazed by all the verses. For it will not only help you to understand the nature of God's justice and love a little better, but it will help you to better understand the type of life that Jesus offered, too.


Anyways, may God bless you all.
And may you seek His love and peace this fine day.

 

[Jason0047]

Annihilation of the wicked is contrary to both the nature of God and the nature of humans made in His image. It is not consistent with the character of an all-loving God to snuff out the souls of those who do not do His wishes. Further, were God to annihilate human beings, He would be annihilating what was originally made in His image (Gen. 1:27), and He is immortal.

I don't believe in Annihilationism. I am a Conditionalist. In my study on the Biblical Conditional View of Hell: I believe there is a real Hell (Hades) and that it is a temporary place of Torment and not Torture. I believe that the wicked will experience a Second Death as Scriptures states within the Lake of Fire. For Jesus said, fear not him who is able to to destroy the body, but fear Him who is able to destroy both body and soul in Gehenna (i.e. the Lake of Fire).

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Whatever you are, you're making a lot of false assertions. I don't have time today to do an eight hour line by line refutation of them all; however, I may arrange my calendar to seriously refute you if you continue to post misinformation about hell here.

As I stated, heaven is "everlasting," and the same word (Gk: aihion), used in the same context, also affirms that hell is "everlasting."

The doctrine of eternal suffering for the wicked is amply supported in scripture and church history. Denials of it are rare before modern times. In fact, the earliest church fathers taught the doctrine of eternal suffering for the wicked shortly after the apostles set forth Christ's teaching. Here's an example of Ignatius (d. c. 110):

"If those that corrupt mere human families are condemned to death, how much more shall those suffer everlasting punishment who endeavor to corrupt the Church of Christ, for which the Lord Jesus, the only-begotten Son of God, endured the cross, and submitted to death! Whosoever, "being waxen fat," and "become gross," sets at nought His doctrine, shall go into hell. (EE, 16)

Brethren, be not deceived. If any man follows him that separates from the truth, he shall not inherit the kingdom of God; and if any man does not stand aloof from the preacher of falsehood, he shall be condemned to hell." (EIE: 4)

Note the word everlasting. It doesn't mean temporary or to be abolished after a set period. It means what I said it means in my last post.

Polycarp (fl. second century):

"Thou threatenest me with fire which burneth for an hour, and after a little is extinguished, but art ignorant of the fire of the coming judgment and of eternal punishment, reserved for the ungodly. (EECS, 11)

Same with the word eternal in it's proper usage in this context. Same for Irenaeus, Theophilus, Tertullian, Justin Martyr, all early church councils, the medieval fathers, etc...

Conditionalists such as yourself error not only in exegesis, and with respect to systematic theology, but also logically. For example, as Geisler put it in 'Chapter Ten: The Final State of the Lost (Hell)' in 'Volume Four: Church (Ecclesiology) and Last Things (Eschatology)'; eternal punishment is inflicted on a sinner who does not repent and since he continues in his sin up to death and on into eternity, he is reasonably punished by God forever.

Secondly, no sin is acceptable as long as God exists, and God is eternal. Hence, punishment for sin must also be eternal; temporal punishment would diminish God's justice and holiness.

Thirdly, as observed God's justice demands eternal punishment because "the heinousness of any crime must be gauged according to the worth or dignity of the person it is committed against" (Edwards in Davidson, "RD" in JETS, 50). Sin against an infinite God is an infinitely wicked sin worthy of infinite punishment (see Edwards, w, 2.83; cf. Aquinas, ST, 4.99.1).

Fourthly, everlasting punishment is not only just but it is also necessary. Only eternal punishment will suffice for sins against the eternal God. Sins committed in time are sins perpetrated against the Timeless One.

The very concept of an ultimately merciful being supposes that this being has an absolute moral standard that has been violated, and that merciful forgiveness is needed to rectify the situation. Indeed, the moral argument for God's existence demonstrates this very fact. But if God is the ultimate standard for what is morally right (just), then we cannot impose our concept of justice upon Him.

While it is true that suffering animals are often put down to alleviate their pain, again, we don't do the same thing to people precisely because they are not animals. Animals are not created in the image of God (cf. Gen. 1:27). Humans are made in God's image and, therefore, should be treated with the greatest respect for their dignity as God's image bearers (cf. 9:6; James 3:9).

Not allowing their continued existence in their freely chosen destiny, however painful it may be, would be to snuff out God's image in them. Exterminating a creature in God's immortal image would be to assault God's own likeness. God would be attacking Himself in effigy and God cannot be against God.

Everlasting conscious suffering is not contrary to God's mercy; God's mercy and God's allowing His creatures to undergo pain are not incompatible (cf. Edwards, WJE, 2.84). God's mercy is not an emotion that overcomes His and since none of God's attributes is in conflict with any we can be fully assured that He is both absolutely merciful and absolutely just.
Christ's death for all means salvation is universal in extent but limited in application, since not all will believe.

Other passages do not refer to the salvation of all but the subjugation of all (e.g., Phil. 2:10), while others apply to believers and not unbelievers (e.g., Eph. 1:10). Some texts do speak of the unilateral defeat of all death (e.g., 1 Cor. 15:26); this is fulfilled in the resurrection of all persons, saved and unsaved (cf. John 5:29; Rev. 20:4-5). The other verses that speak of God's triumph over all evil teach the separation, not the annihilation, of all evil (e.g., Matt. 13:41-42; 25:31-41).

No passage speaks of the annihilation of evil beings: Evil is defeated by everlasting imprisonment and quarantine.

I could go on but I have matters to attend to. I'll be back to refute your misinformation later, however, so consider yourself blessed in that way.

 

[laymen]

I watched a video the other day, without realizing what it was going to show... I watched Muslims throw gasoline on a man because he was Christian. They lit him on fire and stood around watching, like it was nothing. They must of Done this a million times before....I watch his body being engrossed in flames, as he's squirming and jumping in torment. His own sister is watching and there's nothing She can do about....Can you imagine watching one of your siblings screaming in pain and agony because their being burnt to death?? I told my mom this true story and she was mortified (she's a Christian). Oh, how people are so EVIL.......Well if this isn't the epitome of evil, I don know what is....but when I told her this is what happens to unbelievers, except for eternity. Weeelll all of a sudden her attitude changes..."God knows what he's doing". WOW!!!!!!! Really???? Throwing someone in a pit of fire is Wrong Wrong Wrong!!! There's no if,ands or maybes. What ever happened to not repaying evil with evil?????? My question is.... How does someone follow a religion so Heinous? This I a serious question...

I believe the bible teaches "RIGHTEOUS JUDGMENT". Meaning God is not putting them in a pit to be tortured....He is DESTROY them all together. God only wants to get ride of sin not Torture evil like evil does unto us.

1)The punishment is death. Not torture. Rom_6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Satan has another plan.

In the Garden God told Adam do not eat of the tree lest you die!
Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Then Satan came up with a lie.
Gen_3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
Satan has set out to make the punishment of God look like torture. So that far minded people will not like the looks of Christianity. He makes it look like the sinners lives forever just like he is trying here with Eve. Therefore its easy to come to the false conclusion that people burn forever thinking sinners live forever also.

2) The bible teaches annihilation. (Meaning the punishment is forever... ie you die forever.God did not promise life to sinners so that they might burn forever. Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. )

3.) Only Those who fear God and love him will live forever.




Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


Perish. Gr. apollumi, “to utterly destroy,” “to blot out,” “to vanish into nothingness.” “The wages of sin is death” (Rom. 6:23). The opposite of “everlasting life” is not everlasting misery, but eternal annihilation, everlasting death. Sin has within itself the seeds of dissolution. Death ensues, not simply because God wills it, but because the sinner chooses to separate himself from God, the source of life. (Nichol, F. D. (Ed.). (1980).

 

[StoneThrower]

I watched a video the other day, without realizing what it was going to show... I watched Muslims throw gasoline on a man because he was Christian. They lit him on fire and stood around watching, like it was nothing. They must of Done this a million times before....I watch his body being engrossed in flames, as he's squirming and jumping in torment. His own sister is watching and there's nothing She can do about....Can you imagine watching one of your siblings screaming in pain and agony because their being burnt to death?? I told my mom this true story and she was mortified (she's a Christian). Oh, how people are so EVIL.......Well if this isn't the epitome of evil, I don know what is....but when I told her this is what happens to unbelievers, except for eternity. Weeelll all of a sudden her attitude changes..."God knows what he's doing". WOW!!!!!!! Really???? Throwing someone in a pit of fire is Wrong Wrong Wrong!!! There's no if,ands or maybes. What ever happened to not repaying evil with evil?????? My question is.... How does someone follow a religion so Heinous? This I a serious question...

First off God created Hell so its not evil.
Who are you to tell God He is wrong, or define justice? The creation back talking to the creator.
Law breakers need to be punished or God wouldn't be just.
It may offend your sense of justice, but what would you do with a man that killed 30 million Jews and got away with it?
The next question you need to ask yourself is where dose your sense of right and wrong come from?
Hell is reasonable, if God wasn't just he couldn't be perfect.
God doesn't promise us an easy or carefree life he says if they hated Him they will hate us its to be expected.

 

[The_highwayman]

For me it's not a moral dilemma as much as a scriptural one and my very limited human logic. The wage of sin to begin with is death. And there's a lot of reference to eternal death for the wicked. Death and torture aren't the same thing.

Would I sit there and argue with God if He did issue an unlimited, torturous Hell for the wicked? Nope, because He knows more about justice than I ever will.

But with my human understanding of justice, a torturous Hell doesn't make sense. Also, today's idea of this torturous Hell wasn't the universal idea in the church until Dante's Inferno was written I believe.

Then why did Jesus mention everlasting fire in Matt 25.31-46

 

[The_highwayman]

First off God created Hell so its not evil.
Who are you to tell God He is wrong, or define justice? The creation back talking to the creator.
Law breakers need to be punished or God wouldn't be just.
It may offend your sense of justice, but what would you do with a man that killed 30 million Jews and got away with it?
The next question you need to ask yourself is where dose your sense of right and wrong come from?
Hell is reasonable, if God wasn't just he couldn't be perfect.
God doesn't promise us an easy or carefree life he says if they hated Him they will hate us its to be expected.

God created evil so whats your point?

Isa 45.7
[SUP]7 [/SUP]I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

 

[Dan58]

Then why did Jesus mention everlasting fire in Matt 25.31-46

Imo, everlasting just means forevermore or permanent. Those who go into the everlasting fire never come out, that' why its everlasting. Your dead and gone forever. There's no scriptures that suggest God is a masochist, or that He intends to torture people forever. After final judgment, there's eternal life or eternal death, nothing in between. jmo

 

[thecreationtutor]

Hell is actually right and Just

 

[Jason0047]

UU

Whatever you are,

I am a born again human being who believes in Jesus Christ as His Savior. That is who I am. I believe I am a child of God, not by anything that I have done but what He has done. I believe He lives within me and that I live every day so to allow His righteousness (or good works) to flow thru me.

you're making a lot of false assertions.

I believe you are making a lot of false assertions if you believe in eternal torment, my friend. Let me guess. Are you an Antinomian whereby you believe in Once Saved Always Saved (Where you can and sin and still be saved), too? Or are you on the extreme opposite side of the spectrum in being a Legalist whereby you believe salvation must include baptism and other certain rituals, etc.? Do you also falsely believe God's Word was not preserved in the world language today (i.e. the English)? If you do, I believe you are amongst the majority of cookie cutter churches that exist in America today that really has no understanding of Scripture. For these are the majority of the so called evangelical churches that you will find here in America.

I don't have time today to do an eight hour line by line refutation of them all; however, I may arrange my calendar to seriously refute you if you continue to post misinformation about hell here.

Beating your chest and screaming "I am right" does not make it so. Talk is cheap, my friend.. The only way your argument has any weight to it is if it is backed up by Scripture. In other words, you would need to refute my first post that talks about how the word "forever" and it's related words does not always mean "forever."

As I stated, heaven is "everlasting," and the same word (Gk: aihion), used in the same context, also affirms that hell is "everlasting."

Well, there is no way for you to know about a language that is no longer in existence anymore. Paul is not here to confirm or deny you interpretation of this text. Lexicons and Interlinears are all based off a man's interpretation.

The doctrine of eternal suffering for the wicked is amply supported in scripture

Again, you have not really shown this yet. So declaring that this is so is just an empty assertion. I have already shown you the Biblical position on Hell with Scripture and have given you a link with even more verses.

and church history. Denials of it are rare before modern times. In fact, the earliest church fathers taught the doctrine of eternal suffering for the wicked shortly after the apostles set forth Christ's teaching. Here's an example of Ignatius (d. c. 110):

First, you do not have a time machine to confirm that the historical documents you believe to be true were actually taught by true believers. Second, just because it was taught by a certain group of believers, does not mean that that they were right. Believers can fall prey to false teachings. Fourth, do you know that the Conditionalist can also cite Historical documents that backs up it's position, too? So then which historical documents are right? Well, the only Historical Document I am interested in proving my case to be true is by using the Word of God.

No passage speaks of the annihilation of evil beings: Evil is defeated by everlasting imprisonment and quarantine.

There are many, many passages that speak of the destruction of the wicked. Do you just allegorize these Scriptures?
Do you know that the Condtional view has the least amount of spiritualization or allegorization of the Scriptures?
Have you ever did the study to find out?
My guess is that you haven't.

I could go on but I have matters to attend to. I'll be back to refute your misinformation later, however, so consider yourself blessed in that way.

Well, until you can refute my points in Scripture, I will look forward to standing on the Word of God.
Also, I am blessed in Jesus Christ regardless of your assertion of being blessed or not (during a certain time frame that you say).

 

[CRC]

For every unrighteous act, there will be retribution. Take courage the God of the Bible is alive and well !!!(Zechariah 5:1-4)

 

[StoneThrower]

God created evil so whats your point?

Isa 45.7
[SUP]7 [/SUP]I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

Most define it as calamity, not evil (Yes some do). God uses sin sinlessly, so I ask you, what are you trying to say? That God is the author of Sin? What excatly are you trying to say?

 

[StoneThrower]

God created evil so whats your point?

Isa 45.7
[SUP]7 [/SUP]I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

45:7
"we are led by the context to understand by darkness and evil the penal judgments, through which light and peace, or salvation, break forth for the people of God and the nations generally. But as the prophecy concerning Cyrus closes with this self-assertion of Jehovah, it is unquestionably a natural supposition that there is also a contrast implied to the dualistic system of Zarathustra, which divided the one nature of the Deity into two opposing powers (see Windischmann, Zoroastrische Studien, p. 135). The declaration is so bold, that Marcion appealed to this passage as a proof that the God of the Old Testament was a different being from the God of the New, and not the God of goodness only. The Valentinians and other gnostics also regarded the words "There is no God beside me" in Isaiah, as deceptive words of the Demiurugs. The early church met them with Tertullian's reply, "de his creator profitetur malis quae congruunt judici," and also made use of this self-attestation of the God of revelation as a weapon with which to attack Manicheesism. The meaning of the words is not exhausted by those who content themselves with the assertion, that by the evil (or darkness) we are not to understand the evil of guilt (malum culpae), but the evil of punishment (malum paenae). Undoubtedly, evil as an act is not the direct working of God, but the spontaneous work of a creature endowed with freedom. At the same time, evil, as well as good, has in this sense its origin in God - that He combines within Himself the first principles of love and wrath, the possibility of evil, the self-punishment of evil, and therefore the consciousness of guilt as well as the evil of punishment in the broadest sense. When the apostle celebrates the glory of free grace in Rom_9:11., he stands on that giddy height, to which few are able to follow him without falling headlong into the false conclusions of a decretum absolutum, and the denial of all creaturely freedom." Keil & Delitzsch