KILLINGS OF PALESTINIAN CIVILIANS BY ISRAELI FORCES

[Fishbait]

I don't know how to make this more clear but Israel is not the palestinian's homeland.

They are not from there.

Never lived there until being forced into the region by their loving arab neighbors to create tensions in Israel.

So the comparison to native americans is moot.

By the way EVERY nation on earth was built on conquest, throwing out the conquored people aspect of who owns land is hypocritical and again, moot.

During the 19 years from Israel’s victory in 1948 to Israel’s victory in the Six-Day War, all that remained of the UN’s partitioned territory to the “Arabs” of British Mandatory Palestine were the West Bank, under illegal Jordanian sovereignty, and the Gaza Strip, under Egyptian rule. Never during these 19 years did any Arab leader anywhere in the world argue for the right of national self-determination for the Arabs of these territories. A “Palestinian” nation and “Palestinian” people had not yet been invented.

 

[PennEd]

You throw out an unfounded accusation purposed to discredit Drett. By questioning his religious affiliation, those concurrent with your opinions about Israel might further demonize Palestine and wholly discard anything in opposition, particularly if Drett were to be the one opposing. By putting Drett in the Muslim camp and instigating an emotional response via the representation of Christian deaths at the hands of Muslims you not only completely undermine the plight of Muslim people but you wrongly assume that Drett considers the deaths of Christians to be morally justified, when in fact Drett is not condoning killing of any kind, but rather appealing to people to recognize the unjustness of killing on all fronts and to no longer hold partisan views of the Israel-Palestine conflict. He is not condoning any killing, he is pleading with you all to stop justifying Israel and condemning Palestine. All the killing is condemnable, and blame rests upon all those who condone it.

Backing the murder of some innocents over others goes beyond allegiance to a side and into the realm of disregard for common humanity.

That's what he's trying to say.

Wow! I never even saw Drett's mouth move! Impressive.

Tell me, Atheist, (why an atheist would want to spend so much time in a Christian chat site, other than to get a high by insulting and degrading Christians is beyond me) what "unfounded accusation" are you referring to?

 

[Esanta]

I don't know how to make this more clear but Israel is not the palestinian's homeland.

They are not from there.

Never lived there until being forced into the region by their loving arab neighbors to create tensions in Israel.

So the comparison to native americans is moot.

By the way EVERY nation on earth was built on conquest, throwing out the conquored people aspect of who owns land is hypocritical and again, moot.

So, because every nation is built on war and conquest it nullifies arguments that conquest and war are negative aspects of human experience and that partisan viewpoints of conflicts perpetuate aggressions? I think not. If you've ever read history, you'd know the Allied Forces, France and Britain in particular, have more to do with creating the conditions necessary for the Israel-Palestine conflict than Arabs forcing other Arabs into the region to fight.

Palestine people are descendent of Philistines, people who lived in the regions surrounding Gaza, Ashkelon, Ashdod, Ekron and Gath, long before Jesus.

 

[Fishbait]

In the amnesty report on the last lot of killing by the ADF on the Palestinian people. This quote summarises the general position of Israel.

“I want aggressiveness – if there’s someone
suspicious on the upper floor of a house, we’ll
shell it. If we have suspicions about a house, we’ll
take it down… There will be no hesitation…
Nobody will deliberate – let the mistakes be over
their lives, not ours.”
An Israeli company commander in a security briefing to soldiers during Operation “Cast Lead”.11

While the world allow Israel to continue to commit war crimes. They will do so deliberately, without hesitation.

An example of a human shield being blown up .

Three children from the al-Astal family – Abderrabbo, eight, his brother Muhammad, 11, and
their cousin Abd-al-Sattar, also 11 – were killed by a missile launched by a drone on 2
January 2009 at 2pm in al-Qarara, north-east of Khan Yunis, in southern Gaza. The children
had been collecting sugar cane and playing a few hundred metres from their home. Residents
of houses across the road from where the children were killed told Amnesty International that
the area was quiet except for a drone which was hovering overhead: “There are drones flying
overhead all the time so one doesn’t think anything of it. Then all of a sudden it fired a
missile which hit the children. We rushed over to them; they were in pieces and horribly
burned; I will never forget the sight.”
The spot where the children were killed was on the corner of a dirt road and a main road,
near a field but away from the vegetation. Hence it would have been apparent from the air
that the three were children.

So when you have no checks or balances in place then a people like this;

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that operates a drone or fires missiles and kill women and children freely in the hundreds. Can you at least understand that ?

Be careful how you handle apples. "For thus said the Lord of hosts, after his glory sent me to the nations who plundered you, for he who touches you touches the apple of his eye:" Zechariah 2:8

 

[SonInMe]

I don't know how to make this more clear but Israel is not the palestinian's homeland.

They are not from there.

Never lived there until being forced into the region by their loving arab neighbors to create tensions in Israel.

So the comparison to native americans is moot.

By the way EVERY nation on earth was built on conquest, throwing out the conquored people aspect of who owns land is hypocritical and again, moot.

F L A M E : A "Palestinian Homeland:" Is it a valid aspiration or an unwarranted demand?

 

[Esanta]

Wow! I never even saw Drett's mouth move! Impressive.

Tell me, Atheist, (why an atheist would want to spend so much time in a Christian chat site, other than to get a high by insulting and degrading Christians is beyond me) what "unfounded accusation" are you referring to?

The accusation that he's Muslim. It's the same as indefensibly accusing me of being atheist. You assume too much. Why don't you taste the flavour instead of doubt the chef?

 

[SonInMe]

So, because every nation is built on war and conquest it nullifies arguments that conquest and war are negative aspects of human experience and that partisan viewpoints of conflicts perpetuate aggressions? I think not. If you've ever read history, you'd know the Allied Forces, France and Britain in particular, have more to do with creating the conditions necessary for the Israel-Palestine conflict than Arabs forcing other Arabs into the region to fight.

Palestine people are descendent of Philistines, people who lived in the regions surrounding Gaza, Ashkelon, Ashdod, Ekron and Gath, long before Jesus.

Your information is incorrect. There was no palestinian people before 1967. Its a made up nationality to cause conflict.

F L A M E : A "Palestinian Homeland:" Is it a valid aspiration or an unwarranted demand?

Borders are made by war. History does not change. To compare the conquest of native americans to these...''palestinians'' is an apples and orange comparison since they never lived in Israel and were not even a designated people until it was deemed to be so for propaganda uses.

Its amazing how hatred can be exposed so easily and how it grows deep roots so quickly in deception, propaganda and bigotry.

 

[Esanta]

Your information is incorrect. There was no palestinian people before 1967. Its a made up nationality to cause conflict.

F L A M E : A "Palestinian Homeland:" Is it a valid aspiration or an unwarranted demand?

Borders are made by war. History does not change. To compare the conquest of native americans to these...''palestinians'' is an apples and orange comparison since they never lived in Israel and were not even a designated people until it was deemed to be so for propaganda uses.

Its amazing how hatred can be exposed so easily and how it grows deep roots so quickly in deception, propaganda and bigotry.

Whether or not Palestinians had their own land or had been an internationally recognized citizenship before 1967 does not change the fact that these people are a people in their own right. Would you say that before 1948 there were no Israeli people? Because that would be applying the same logic. For many years before 1948 Israeli people had no rightful 'Israeli' citizenship, yet they were once a geographic state.

Under Ottoman rule, Palestinians were also a geographic state in their own right, and before that, Philistines were similar.

I genuinely don't consider myself to be the bigoted party here. I advocate non partisan views of this conflict, am willing to recognize many sides of the argument, and above all I do not condone the killing of any innocents because it is morally reprehensible and perpetuates human suffering.

However, given that people here consider disparity and hypocrisy to be more worthy values than compassion I feel the need to speak out.

Also, you should probably read that article you're giving as reference. It actually advocates unbiased viewpoints of all of this, stating that Palestinians are a people in their own right, and are not solely Arabs, but also Jews.

 

[PennEd]

The accusation that he's Muslim. It's the same as indefensibly accusing me of being atheist. You assume too much. Why don't you taste the flavour instead of doubt the chef?

I have read enough of your posts, in evolution threads and others, to believe you are an atheist. Since atheists have no moral foundation I have no delusions that you would be truthful, and most likely will try to dance and dodge, but let's see if you have the integrity to answer straight forward, yes or no, ARE YOU AN ATHEIST, and if not, what DO you consider yourself?

 

[Esanta]

I have read enough of your posts, in evolution threads and others, to believe you are an atheist. Since atheists have no moral foundation I have no delusions that you would be truthful, and most likely will try to dance and dodge, but let's see if you have the integrity to answer straight forward, yes or no, ARE YOU AN ATHEIST, and if not, what DO you consider yourself?

Not an atheist. I am a super spy sent to infiltrate Christian Chat. Hellbent on annihilation of everything good, I apply logic and due consideration to destroy the world! My time here will be to serve the axis powers of evil and bring down all that is 'moral', which is; adding auxiliary conflict and perpetuating factionalism, clearly a moral thing, disdaining Palestinians and Muslims and Arabs, also a very admirable position, inciting partisan perspectives, which obviously shows clear peace-seeking motive, disregarding people who aren't your religion, which is totally acceptable apparently, and every other 'noble' quality you possess that gives you authority to assume I'm amoral.

PennEd, you seem more amoral than I do. You see, what label we wear is not nearly as important as what kind of men we are. So what kind of man are you?

 

[PennEd]

Not an atheist. I am a super spy sent to infiltrate Christian Chat. Hellbent on annihilation of everything good, I apply logic and due consideration to destroy the world! My time here will be to serve the axis powers of evil and bring down all that is 'moral', which is; adding auxiliary conflict and perpetuating factionalism, clearly a moral thing, disdaining Palestinians and Muslims and Arabs, also a very admirable position, inciting partisan perspectives, which obviously shows clear peace-seeking motive, disregarding people who aren't your religion, which is totally acceptable apparently, and every other 'noble' quality you possess that gives you authority to assume I'm amoral.

PennEd, you seem more amoral than I do. You see, what label we wear is not nearly as important as what kind of men we are. So what kind of man are you?

You put words in my mouth, just like you did with Drett! Perhaps you are one in the same.

You say you are not an atheist, if that is true you do well, but remember the demons also believe there is a God but tremble. Atheists are the group I described as having no moral ground. Your posts say otherwise, so either you are lying, which I said didn't present a problem for atheists, or you truly believe in SOME type of god that did not create the universe. It IS crystal clear you do not believe in creationism. You then proceeded to a sarcastic, sick sense of humor to try and deflect from telling us what your actual divine beliefs, or lack thereof, are. This is a Christian website. I am an unapologetic Christian that believes in Jesus Christ as Lord, Creator, and Savior. So naturally ANY other belief system being foisted here I will take offense to, just as if I were to frequent a muslim site and inject anti-muslim theology, I would expect them to take offense.
Do you have the integrity to tell us straight forth what your beliefs are or not?

 

[Esanta]

Israeli F16's - 326
Palestinian F16's - 0
Israeli Tanks - 3930
Palestinian Tanks - 0


Palestinian Civilian Deaths in the last three weeks: Excess of 600, with approximately 3,700 wounded.

Israeli deaths in the last three weeks: 27 soldiers, 2 civilians.

 

[Drett]

Hi Esanta

That is his style. If he has no answer to what is stated he tries to discredit you and throw in red herrings to direct people away from what is being discussed. That is why I mostly ignore him.

You throw out an unfounded accusation purposed to discredit Drett.

That's what he's trying to say.

 

[Drett]

Sorry you still don't get it. The Jewish people suffered in the past with that sort of thinking. You don't belong here so we can do as we wish. So I understand now you are happy to throw the Palestinian Christians to the wolves.

I don't know how to make this more clear but Israel is not the palestinian's homeland.

They are not from there.

Never lived there until being forced into the region by their loving arab neighbors to create tensions in Israel.

So the comparison to native americans is moot.

By the way EVERY nation on earth was built on conquest, throwing out the conquored people aspect of who owns land is hypocritical and again, moot.

 

[Billyd]

Israeli F16's - 326
Palestinian F16's - 0
Israeli Tanks - 3930
Palestinian Tanks - 0

Palestinian Civilian Deaths in the last three weeks: Excess of 600, with approximately 3,700 wounded.

Israeli deaths in the last three weeks: 27 soldiers, 2 civilians.

Your information is true but slanted. It's not the Israeli forces that continue to attack Gaza. Hamas continues to attack the Israeli people. If the Arab world would spent the money that they spend on arms on their people, they could have the same peace loving vibrant economy that the small country of Israel has.

 

[Agricola]

Israeli F16's - 326
Palestinian F16's - 0
Israeli Tanks - 3930
Palestinian Tanks - 0


Palestinian Civilian Deaths in the last three weeks: Excess of 600, with approximately 3,700 wounded.

Israeli deaths in the last three weeks: 27 soldiers, 2 civilians.

How many thousands of rockets are owned by Palestinians? hundreds of rockets fired at Israel have actually landed in Gaza, many of the civilian deaths are direct result of Hamas rockets landing in Gaza and nothing to do with the IDF.

 

[Drett]

You can play around with labels if it makes you feel better. There were people that were forcibly displaced.

History of Forced Displacement of Palestinians

Your information is incorrect. There was no palestinian people before 1967. Its a made up nationality to cause conflict.

F L A M E : A "Palestinian Homeland:" Is it a valid aspiration or an unwarranted demand?

Borders are made by war. History does not change. To compare the conquest of native americans to these...''palestinians'' is an apples and orange comparison since they never lived in Israel and were not even a designated people until it was deemed to be so for propaganda uses.

Its amazing how hatred can be exposed so easily and how it grows deep roots so quickly in deception, propaganda and bigotry.

 

[PennEd]

Hi Esanta

That is his style. If he has no answer to what is stated he tries to discredit you and throw in red herrings to direct people away from what is being discussed. That is why I mostly ignore him.

I, and others, have answered this question of Israeli response to rocket attacks on innocent Israeli civilia in many threads and all the same way. Hamas muslims are solely to blame for any muslim deaths in gaza. The details of why have been said scores of times on CC. I can repeat them if you like.

Why don't you have the integrity to direct us to threads where you condemn the daily muslim atrocities committed continuously against Christians, Jews, and other moon worshipers?

 

[Atwood]

Are Islamics Hijacking the Forum with Anti-Israel Propaganda?

I have to suspect this.

One would think that Israel should just lie down, & let the Islamics exterminate them. They have this huge part of the globe, huge swath from Algeria to Indonesia across the globe, then the Jews can't have the postage stamp of land that the Lord gave them.

For shame.

 

[Agricola]

You can play around with labels if it makes you feel better. There were people that were forcibly displaced.

History of Forced Displacement of Palestinians

This is what I tell people all along, the stolen land and displacement actually refers to the whole of Israel, so when you bleat on about reclaiming stolen land, what you mean is you want Israel destroyed and its land returned to Muslims and Arabs.

THis is nothing new however, it seems to be best kept secret, all muslims know this, its just the blind west who think it means a few houses or bits of land here and there.