Who said all the elders are equal but the single salaried pastor is greater among equals. Tell me your not serious. He's self exalted first. Jesus said the exalted will be humbled. Oh I get it now. Everyone is special but the 'pastor' is more special than everyone.
Someone asked me if I ever read the bible. Yup. I have.
Lets see now have YOU ever read the bible? Jesus told His own that the Gentiles have their exalted leaders that lord it over them but that 'it shall not be so among you'.
Have you you ever read the bible? 1Peter5 we are not to lord it over His flock. Nor are we to charge salaries if we feed the flock.
Have you ever read the bible? Matt. 23 we are not to put religious, honorific titles in front of our names. That is arrogance and it places us above our fellows.
Have you ever read the bible? Paul, as an apostle, had a right to support, but he refused it setting an example. Apostles/missionaries were supported as well as the poor, not the local body of elders.
Have you ever read the bible? In fact, in Acts 20 the leaders of Ephesus were commanded to work secular jobs.
In the verse you draw like a gun, the Greek time, is translated honor meaning honor, respect. The word for wages, opsonion meaning compensation, salary, wages is not used. Why? Because it's not money.
Humility is the order and fragrance of the true servant. Jesus washed feet. We kiss the 'pastors' ring. Wake me up when you get there.
Again I submit. God is sending a wind to shake everything loose that is not of Him. The way up is down. Not the other way around.
Someone asked me if I ever read the bible. Yup. I have.
Lets see now have YOU ever read the bible? Jesus told His own that the Gentiles have their exalted leaders that lord it over them but that 'it shall not be so among you'.
Have you you ever read the bible? 1Peter5 we are not to lord it over His flock. Nor are we to charge salaries if we feed the flock.
Have you ever read the bible? Matt. 23 we are not to put religious, honorific titles in front of our names. That is arrogance and it places us above our fellows.
Have you ever read the bible? Paul, as an apostle, had a right to support, but he refused it setting an example. Apostles/missionaries were supported as well as the poor, not the local body of elders.
Have you ever read the bible? In fact, in Acts 20 the leaders of Ephesus were commanded to work secular jobs.
In the verse you draw like a gun, the Greek time, is translated honor meaning honor, respect. The word for wages, opsonion meaning compensation, salary, wages is not used. Why? Because it's not money.
Humility is the order and fragrance of the true servant. Jesus washed feet. We kiss the 'pastors' ring. Wake me up when you get there.
Again I submit. God is sending a wind to shake everything loose that is not of Him. The way up is down. Not the other way around.
1 Timothy 5:17-18 (KJV) [SUP]17 [/SUP]Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine. [SUP]18 [/SUP]For the scripture saith, Thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward.
2. (blue) Not lording over the flock has nothing to do with wages.
1 Timothy 5:18 (NASB) [SUP]18 [/SUP]For the Scripture says, "YOU SHALL NOT MUZZLE THE OX WHILE HE IS THRESHING," and "The laborer is worthy of his wages."
1 Corinthians 9:9-14 (NASB) [SUP]9 [/SUP]For it is written in the Law of Moses, "YOU SHALL NOT MUZZLE THE OX WHILE HE IS THRESHING." God is not concerned about oxen, is He? [SUP]10 [/SUP]Or is He speaking altogether for our sake? Yes, for our sake it was written, because the plowman ought to plow in hope, and the thresher to thresh in hope of sharing the crops. [SUP]11[/SUP]If we sowed spiritual things in you, is it too much if we reap material things from you? [SUP]12 [/SUP]If others share the right over you, do we not more? Nevertheless, we did not use this right, but we endure all things so that we will cause no hindrance to the gospel of Christ. [SUP]13 [/SUP]Do you not know that those who perform sacred services eat the food of the temple, and those who attend regularly to the altar have their share from the altar? [SUP]14 [/SUP]So also the Lord directed those who proclaim the gospel to get their living from the gospel.
Paul nor Barnabus refused monetary help because they personally didn't want to put a burden on the church, but speaks plainly it is his right to receive it.
Now I will ask you: have you read your Bible?