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I think Jeremiah is describing how to seek the Lord. Jesus confirms it with Mathew 7:7-8 where He says "ask and it shall be given you; seek and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: for everyone that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened." I think Romans is saying that no one is seeking Him. It would seem most of the world is running as far away as it can. Its a heartbreaking thing to think about.
Ecclesiastes 5:19New King James Version (NKJV)
19 As for every man to whom God has given riches and wealth, and given him power to eat of it, to receive his heritage and rejoice in his labor—this is the gift of God.
Money is amoral, it is neither good, nor evil however what you do with it can be (good or evil). The perspective you take on demonizing money is not biblical and is what some define as a poverty mentality. It is not pious, or spiritual, to be poor. How about we START using money and love and help one another freely with such financial blessings?
A good saying, "We love people and use money, never the other way around."
19 As for every man to whom God has given riches and wealth, and given him power to eat of it, to receive his heritage and rejoice in his labor—this is the gift of God.
Money is amoral, it is neither good, nor evil however what you do with it can be (good or evil). The perspective you take on demonizing money is not biblical and is what some define as a poverty mentality. It is not pious, or spiritual, to be poor. How about we START using money and love and help one another freely with such financial blessings?
A good saying, "We love people and use money, never the other way around."
That is the whole point! Money itself is a lifeless object and yet we let millions suffer without it, AND IT IS NOT NEEDED FOR ANYTHING OTHER THAN CONTROL OVER PEOPLE. And plus the verse you quoted has nothing to do with what we call money today. This verse is about what Christ described as treasure from the heart, wherein lies the true value of a man. The flesh profits nothing. What profits a man to gain the whole world and yet lose his soul? We die because we work for things we know rusts and fades away.
I believe cam72 got it right, read the entire chapter of Romans 3 to get the subject Paul is addressing, the context is different than the verse in Jeremiah; "There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one" (Romans 3:11-12)
If one reads the 3rd Chapter of Romans, it's pretty clear what Paul is teaching............ok? One verse out of context does not a "disputation" make............ 
Rom 3:11 - None seek God, yet:
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[TD]Lam 3:5 The LORD is good unto them that wait for him, to the soul that seeketh him.
Deut 4:29 But if from thence thou shalt seek the LORD thy God, thou shalt find him, if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul
1 Chron 16:10,11 Glory ye in his holy name: let the heart of them rejoice that seek the LORD Seek the LORD and his strength, seek his face continually
1 Chron 22:19 Now set your heart and your soul to seek the LORD your God;
1 Chron 28:9 ... if thou seek him, he will be found of thee; but if thou forsake him, he will cast thee off for ever
2 Chron 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land
2 Chron 11:16 And after them out of all the tribes of Israel such as set their hearts to seek the LORD God of Israel came to Jerusalem, to sacrifice unto the LORD God of their fathers
2 Chron 12:14 And he did evil, because he prepared not his heart to seek the LORD
2 Chron 14:4 And commanded Judah to seek the LORD God of their fathers, and to do the law and the commandment
2 Chron 15:2 And he went out to meet Asa, and said unto him, Hear ye me, Asa, and all Judah and Benjamin; The LORD is with you, while ye be with him; and if ye seek him, he will be found of you; but if ye forsake him, he will forsake you
2 Chron 15:12,13 And they entered into a covenant to seek the LORD God of their fathers with all their heart and with all their soul That whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman
2 Chron 19:3 Nevertheless there are good things found in thee, in that thou hast taken away the groves out of the land, and hast prepared thine heart to seek God
2 Chron 20:3,4 And Jehoshaphat feared, and set himself to seek the LORD, and proclaimed a fast throughout all Judah And Judah gathered themselves together, to ask help of the LORD: even out of all the cities of Judah they came to seek the LORD
2 Chron 22:9 And he sought Ahaziah: and they caught him, (for he was hid in Samaria,) and brought him to Jehu: and when they had slain him, they buried him: Because, said they, he is the son of Jehoshaphat, who sought the LORD with all his heart. So the house of Ahaziah had no power to keep still the kingdom
2 Chron 26:5 And he sought God in the days of Zechariah, who had understanding in the visions of God: and as long as he sought the LORD, God made him to prosper
2 Chron 30:19 That prepareth his heart to seek God, the LORD God of his fathers, though he be not cleansed according to the purification of the sanctuary
2 Chron 31:21 And in every work that he began in the service of the house of God, and in the law, and in the commandments, to seek his God, he did it with all his heart, and prospered
2 Chron 34:3 For in the eighth year of his reign, while he was yet young, he began to seek after the God of David his father: and in the twelfth year he began to purge Judah and Jerusalem from the high places, and the groves, and the carved images, and the molten images
Ezra 4:2 Then they came to Zerubbabel, and to the chief of the fathers, and said unto them, Let us build with you: for we seek your God, as ye do; and we do sacrifice unto him since the days of Esarhaddon king of Assur, which brought us up hither
Ezra 6:21 And the children of Israel, which were come again out of captivity, and all such as had separated themselves unto them from the filthiness of the heathen of the land, to seek the LORD God of Israel, did eat
Ezra 7:10 For Ezra had prepared his heart to seek the law of the LORD, and to do it, and to teach in Israel statutes and judgments
Psa 34:10 The young lions do lack, and suffer hunger: but they that seek the LORD shall not want any good thing
Psa 63:1 O God, thou art my God; early will I seek thee: my soul thirsteth for thee, my flesh longeth for thee in a dry and thirsty land, where no water is
Psa 105:3,4 Glory ye in his holy name: let the heart of them rejoice that seek the LORD Seek the LORD, and his strength: seek his face evermore
Prov 8:17 I love them that love me; and those that seek me early shall find me
Prov 28:5 Evil men understand not judgment: but they that seek the LORD understand all things
Isa 51:1 Hearken to me, ye that follow after righteousness, ye that seek the LORD: look unto the rock whence ye are hewn, and to the hole of the pit whence ye are digged
Isa 55:6 Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near
Jer 29:13 And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart
Hos 10:12 Sow to yourselves in righteousness, reap in mercy; break up your fallow ground: for it is time to seek the LORD, till he come and rain righteousness upon you
Amos 5:4 For thus saith the LORD unto the house of Israel, Seek ye me, and ye shall live
Zep 2:3 Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the LORD'S anger
Zec 8:22 Yea, many people and strong nations shall come to seek the LORD of hosts in Jerusalem, and to pray before the LORD
Matt 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you
Matt 7:7,8 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened
Mark 1:37 And when they had found him, they said unto him, All men seek for thee
Acts 15:17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things
Acts 17:27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us
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Does anyone seek God just to know God? What is the motive behind the cloud?
Many say this and that, yet many are not seeking truth beyond measure. How many go to Church just to know God, no other reason?
So I see the Dichotomy, that God will not reveal God to you or anyone until that is all you want and nothing else?
seek with all of you, and one's stony heart they are born with will not search out God just to know God, rather for a good Job, Wife, or money and or all of those, and never get their new heart, that is a free gift from God to us all through Son
If I do not want to just know God over everything else here in this world, do you or anyone think it is righteous for God to give it?
So this Dichotomy comes to play, I will give mercy to whom I will, God speaking to us all
Time to seek God with all your heart that is stony, that does not want God, begging for mercy to get thaqt new heart in Spirit and truth, a free gift from God for all that will seek for God and God alone
Many say this and that, yet many are not seeking truth beyond measure. How many go to Church just to know God, no other reason?
So I see the Dichotomy, that God will not reveal God to you or anyone until that is all you want and nothing else?
seek with all of you, and one's stony heart they are born with will not search out God just to know God, rather for a good Job, Wife, or money and or all of those, and never get their new heart, that is a free gift from God to us all through Son
If I do not want to just know God over everything else here in this world, do you or anyone think it is righteous for God to give it?
So this Dichotomy comes to play, I will give mercy to whom I will, God speaking to us all
Time to seek God with all your heart that is stony, that does not want God, begging for mercy to get thaqt new heart in Spirit and truth, a free gift from God for all that will seek for God and God alone
Romans 3:11 is a general statement speaking about wicked people. It is not a statement about the righteous.
Paul is reflecting on the sentiment found in Psalm 14 and Psalm 53. He is not making a doctrinal statement that there are categorically no people whatsoever who understand or who seek God.
Psa 14:1 To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David. The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psa 14:2 The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.
Psa 14:3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Psa 53:1 To the chief Musician upon Mahalath, Maschil, A Psalm of David. The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.
Psa 53:2 God looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, that did seek God.
Psa 53:3 Every one of them is gone back: they are altogether become filthy; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
It is the fool who denies God. It is wicked rebellious men who have gone aside and gone their own way. It is amongst these people that there are none who understand, none who do good, none who seek God. One cannot seek God from this state because rebellion to God is the opposite of seeking God.
People like Abel were not fools who denied God and went astray. Nor were others like Job, Daniel or the parents of John the Baptist.
Paul is reflecting on the sentiment found in Psalm 14 and Psalm 53. He is not making a doctrinal statement that there are categorically no people whatsoever who understand or who seek God.
Psa 14:1 To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David. The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psa 14:2 The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.
Psa 14:3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Psa 53:1 To the chief Musician upon Mahalath, Maschil, A Psalm of David. The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.
Psa 53:2 God looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, that did seek God.
Psa 53:3 Every one of them is gone back: they are altogether become filthy; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
It is the fool who denies God. It is wicked rebellious men who have gone aside and gone their own way. It is amongst these people that there are none who understand, none who do good, none who seek God. One cannot seek God from this state because rebellion to God is the opposite of seeking God.
People like Abel were not fools who denied God and went astray. Nor were others like Job, Daniel or the parents of John the Baptist.
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These two verses show that the great majority, including Christians are not really seeking God. Most believe that they are, but they do so like Cain did by bringing the fruit of the earth.
Again, the simplest way I can demonstrate this, and I know you all are tired of me beating this drum but my work is to warn as I was given.
But God did not put a price tag on any of His creation. So if your church is dealing with money and paying bills, then IT IS OF THE EARTH.
God's word is free. He doesn't need money to help spread the truth, as the truth is already in you.
If we really sought God, meaning that we love and look after one another regardless of our differences, FREELY LIKE WE DID WHEN WE WERE CHILDREN AND DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THIS CURSE OF WORK, then we would be blessed so much, we wouldn't know what to do with ourselves!
Again, the simplest way I can demonstrate this, and I know you all are tired of me beating this drum but my work is to warn as I was given.
But God did not put a price tag on any of His creation. So if your church is dealing with money and paying bills, then IT IS OF THE EARTH.
God's word is free. He doesn't need money to help spread the truth, as the truth is already in you.
If we really sought God, meaning that we love and look after one another regardless of our differences, FREELY LIKE WE DID WHEN WE WERE CHILDREN AND DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THIS CURSE OF WORK, then we would be blessed so much, we wouldn't know what to do with ourselves!
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In the context, Paul has declared both groups, Jew and Gentile, are under sin....."they (Jew & Gentile) are all under sin" verse 9. Yet the Jew says we Jews are better than the Gentiles.
Paul then in verses 10-18 quotes OT verses that proves the group Jew are under sin as much as the group Gentile. For after quoting these OT verses, Paul in v19 says Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
From verse 19 we can see that these OT quotes in verses 10-18 are being directed specifically towards the group Jew. Paul in essence telling the Jews that your own law that was given to you indicts Israel of its sins, so shut your mouths about being better than the Gentiles.
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You uphold birth depravity and therefore believe that sinners are lost due to a birth defect as opposed to anything they could truly be held accountable for.
In your mind a new born baby is unregenerate and wicked and would therefore fall into the category of "there is none."
You also believe that salvation is a result of "Irresistible Grace" which serves to offset the birth depravity. Your theology is contradictory because you'll teach that the rebellion never actually ceases and thus the offsetting is only ever partial, just enough to accept the legal transaction you believe in, ie. Jesus obedience credited to your account.
To sum your theology up. Confess your inability and depravity, trust in Jesus and wait on God. It's a very clever way to dress up Satan's first like of "ye shall not surely die" by adding "ye cannot obey God,"
In your mind a new born baby is unregenerate and wicked and would therefore fall into the category of "there is none."
You also believe that salvation is a result of "Irresistible Grace" which serves to offset the birth depravity. Your theology is contradictory because you'll teach that the rebellion never actually ceases and thus the offsetting is only ever partial, just enough to accept the legal transaction you believe in, ie. Jesus obedience credited to your account.
To sum your theology up. Confess your inability and depravity, trust in Jesus and wait on God. It's a very clever way to dress up Satan's first like of "ye shall not surely die" by adding "ye cannot obey God,"
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let me add these verses.
Gen 6:5,8
Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
But Noah found favor in the eyes of the LORD.
the KJV translates favor as 'grace'.
does that clear things up, or muddy them?
Gen 6:5,8
Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
But Noah found favor in the eyes of the LORD.
the KJV translates favor as 'grace'.
does that clear things up, or muddy them?
Romans is discussing the natural man and our flesh which is corrupt and fallen, cannot understand the word and the word is foolishness unto a natural man or the flesh....
Jeremiah is leveled at the house of Judah and the Southern Kingdom...and if they would rend their heart, humble themselves and seek God with a whole heart then they would find God....
Both are applicable unto all...It is not in our fleshly nature to seek God but and If we respond to the measure of faith that has been given unto all men and seek God with a whole hearted effort we will find him....
Straight and narrow is the path that leads to life and FEW there be that FIND IT!
Jeremiah is leveled at the house of Judah and the Southern Kingdom...and if they would rend their heart, humble themselves and seek God with a whole heart then they would find God....
Both are applicable unto all...It is not in our fleshly nature to seek God but and If we respond to the measure of faith that has been given unto all men and seek God with a whole hearted effort we will find him....
Straight and narrow is the path that leads to life and FEW there be that FIND IT!
let me add these verses.
Gen 6:5,8
Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
But Noah found favor in the eyes of the LORD.
the KJV translates favor as 'grace'.
does that clear things up, or muddy them?
Gen 6:5,8
Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
But Noah found favor in the eyes of the LORD.
the KJV translates favor as 'grace'.
does that clear things up, or muddy them?