EBOLA PATIENT LET IN to the U.S.

[AgeofKnowledge]

There is no paranoia and bitterness here Elizabeth. It's called responsibly exercising the call of Christ to love my neighbors. Your nonsense in this post is as fallacious as me calling you a hateful person who's trying to murder Americans. Seriously, that's how misplaced your false accusations in this post of yours are.

Why don't you come down off your high horse and just acknowledge the truth: my position is based on principle firmly rooted in God's provision for dealing with deadly disease in scripture.

I don't think you have any room to talk about hypocrisy. You're mind is so clouded by paranoia and bitterness you attack Christians. You do it daily on here. I am done talking to you about this. We can agree to disagree, but I will not be part of your attacks any longer.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Preventing people from becoming infected with a deadly disease that has a 60%-90% mortality rate is Christian. If you'd been reading the thread, then you would have already seen the CDC protocol I posted for treating Ebola victims and it would be obvious to you that there's absolutely nothing they can do for this man here that they cannot do in Africa which, of course, makes your post a false accusation combined with a false assertion that ends in sarcasm which certainly is not Christian of you Nautilus.

Condemn the man to death? That seems christian.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

No fear here. Just wisdom, responsibility, and love. Not sure why you guys keep fabricating these nonexistent emotions and projecting them at me. I guess doing so helps you make sense of your world or something.

No need to be afraid of anything God is with us, He hold the keys.

Revelation 1:18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

God Bless

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Well thank you ThomistColin.... I think. LOL. That was brotherly in a Christian way.

Without a doubt it's because I care that I say most of the things I do. From my perspective, I'm not being unmerciful. I'm being logical, responsible, and loving. That doesn't mean I'm perfect or that I can't be wrong, of course.

But I'm striving to base my arguments in principle and the forces driving this one are logic, responsibility, and love.

Obviously, if this does not result in further infection of other Americans, then I will be GLAD.

Honestly, I believe AgeofKnowledge is overreacting and strangely unmerciful here, but I disagree with you about him being bitter or attacking his fellow Christians on here. He often comes to the defense of the underdog, and will even openly disagree with a person, but not allow falsehoods about the person or their beliefs to go unnoticed. He is a good Christian man.

 

[vic1980]

No fear here. Just wisdom, responsibility, and love. Not sure why you guys keep fabricating these nonexistent emotions and projecting them at me. I guess doing so helps you make sense of your world or something.

Brother AgeofKnowledge a reminder God Controls , the sword, and the famine, and the noisome beast, and the pestilence not man.

Ezekiel 14

God's Irrevocable Sentence

12The word of the LORD came again to me, saying, 13Son of man, when the land sinneth against me by trespassing grievously, then will I stretch out mine hand upon it, and will break the staff of the bread thereof, and will send famine upon it, and will cut off man and beast from it: 14Though these three men, Noah, Daniel, and Job, were in it, they should deliver but their own souls by their righteousness, saith the Lord GOD. 15If I cause noisome beasts to pass through the land, and they spoil it, so that it be desolate, that no man may pass through because of the beasts: 16Though these three men were in it, as I live, saith the Lord GOD, they shall deliver neither sons nor daughters; they only shall be delivered, but the land shall be desolate. 17Or if I bring a sword upon that land, and say, Sword, go through the land; so that I cut off man and beast from it: 18Though these three men were in it, as I live, saith the Lord GOD, they shall deliver neither sons nor daughters, but they only shall be delivered themselves. 19Or if I send a pestilence into that land, and pour out my fury upon it in blood, to cut off from it man and beast: 20Though Noah, Daniel, and Job, were in it, as I live, saith the Lord GOD, they shall deliver neither son nor daughter; they shall but deliver their own souls by their righteousness.

21For thus saith the Lord GOD; How much more when I send my four sore judgments upon Jerusalem, the sword, and the famine, and the noisome beast, and the pestilence, to cut off from it man and beast? 22Yet, behold, therein shall be left a remnant that shall be brought forth, both sons and daughters: behold, they shall come forth unto you, and ye shall see their way and their doings: and ye shall be comforted concerning the evil that I have brought upon Jerusalem, even concerning all that I have brought upon it. 23And they shall comfort you, when ye see their ways and their doings: and ye shall know that I have not done without cause all that I have done in it, saith the Lord GOD.

God Bless

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

The key words with respect to Ebola are "incurable" and "communicable." We don't want to add "mistakes were made" to that equation.

There's no specific treatment for Ebola so doctors try to ease symptoms, including fever, headache, vomiting, diarrhea, and bleeding. They hydrate the victims. Some get better but most die.

Michael Stulman, a regional information officer in West and Central Africa for Catholic Relief Services, said Sunday that doctors and nurses there "are working in a particularly high-risk environment... Despite all their incredible efforts, sometimes mistakes happen and this is why we're seeing a fairly high number of Ebola-positive cases with nurses."

The point being that accidents are happening and people are becoming infected as a result.

So far so good, however, with these two cases. Let's hope Ebola doesn't scurry off the petri dish so to speak as has happened before.

Nah...there is no reason to think that cdc isn't capable of appropriately handling infectious disease and biotoxins. Sometimes I wonder if people pay attention or just wander around going from one unreliable emotion to the other.

CDC Mishaps: Only government would leave anthrax in an unlocked fridge | Fox News

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

The right thing to do is exercise wisdom and be responsible which is what God tells us to do in His Word.

God may have everything under control but I 100% guarantee you that if you start munching down rat poison, guzzling draino, and French kissing Ebola patients you'll be dead soon.... which is OK with me if that's what you choose to do; however, in the latter case: your neighbors did not choose to have you foist Ebola on them.

Brother AgeofKnowledge a reminder God Controls , the sword, and the famine, and the noisome beast, and the pestilence not man.

 

[ThomistColin]

Problem is AgeofKnowledge, no virus based disease is curable. Even the Common Cold cannot be cured. We are powerless to do anything, except aid the body in its natural defenses against such things. So, the label of incurable is hardly startling to me, since it is a virus born pathogen.

 

[ThomistColin]

Everyone always talks about "head colds" or "throat colds" either causing a cough, build up of pheglm, or a compacting of the sinuses. There is a reason why each cold effects you differently, because it is a different virus. Everytime you overcome a cold, your body has created a new defense, and that specific strain of virus can no longer harm your body. However, the strain mutates very quickly. Thankfully, only two diseases in the world mutate this rapidly, influenza and the common cold. Other, complex viruses seem to have a difficulty mutating without encountering a consistent challenge to the virus, such as the "super" syphillis, which is resistant to antibiotics. This is good, because we can easily track the progress and mutations of said diseases, allowing us to stay one step ahead. Ebola is such a disease. The problem comes not with human interaction with human, but with human interaction with food and water sources. If Ebola enters into that, then we have a problem.

 

[PennEd]

How about we just ship Brantly back to Africa. Who cares who dies over there. Who cares if he has no chance of survival there. No one really cares about an outbreak... as long as it doesn't happen in America. Who cares who dies.........Well isn't that just the Christian way of looking at it?

Not the Christian way, just a juvenile sophomoric way, strewn with a field of strawmen ready to be torched by your flame-thrower.

 

[Esanta]

Let's put this all in perspective. Two American doctors contracted Ebola, and were flown in a quarantined medical plane to Atlanta to receive quarantined medical treatment.

Dr Fauci, head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, explained the Zaire strain of Ebola's very high mortality rate (90% in some outbreaks) by showing that in Africa, there generally aren't provisions for patients. Many aren't given intravenous fluid replacement, nor anti-inflammatory drugs, or supportive care, or antibacterial treatment for secondary infection. Secondary infection, dehydration and shock are three of the most problematic effects of Ebola, and they are the main reasons so many Ebola patients die. It's not usually the virus itself, but secondary infection, dehydration and shock.

With proper care, the mortality rate for the Zaire strain of Ebola actually drops to about 45%. That's less than H5N1, which with proper treatment still poses over 50% mortality. Not only that, but under quarantine, it is actually much harder to catch Ebola than H5N1, simply because H5N1 is an airborne virus, and Ebola isn't.

So, under quarantine, Ebola can be contained much more easily than H5N1, and I would wager that if Ebola got out of a lab somehow, it wouldn't cause nearly as many fatalities as an outbreak of H5N1. And yet, we've had several H5N1 outbreaks that were eventually contained.

 

[Elizabeth619]

and while some of you people have already created your little conspiracies of an outbreak and how apalling it is he is here I guess God is answering prayers. He is improving.

 

[Elizabeth619]

Not the Christian way, just a juvenile sophomoric way, strewn with a field of strawmen ready to be torched by your flame-thrower.

Yeah that's how I feel about your comments too if a few of you looked back and what you've said you'd see why I put it in that perspective. That's exactly what you all are saying. The public has been told an outbreak is unlikely but you and others refuse to accept these. So creating your own little panic fit and trying to create worry in others is really
not something a Christian should do.

 

[JustAnotherUser]

So... We're afraid of this resulting into an apocalypse, huh?

 

[Sirk]

Well isn't this lovely...it seems that modern invasion forces don't carry guns but infectious diseases. @trojanhorse

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[Elizabeth619]

Well isn't this lovely...it seems that modern invasion forces don't carry guns but infectious diseases. @trojanhorse

Leaked CBP Report Shows Entire World Exploiting Open US Border

Id be more concerned about an outbreak occurring from the border than I would two patients in an isolated controlled environment.

 

[PennEd]

Yeah that's how I feel about your comments too if a few of you looked back and what you've said you'd see why I put it in that perspective. That's exactly what you all are saying. The public has been told an outbreak is unlikely but you and others refuse to accept these. So creating your own little panic fit and trying to create worry in others is really
not something a Christian should do.

The difference is you have judged your Christian bretheren by raising issues (strawmen) no one said, and even called us Un-Christian. You said we don't care who dies, a disgusting tactic usually used by liberal democrats.

It would be like me saying "how dare you live in your big house and ALWAYS have enough to eat, don't you know there are people all over the world living in cardboard boxes and eating garbage!"
Getting into the judgement mode is very easy once you start. You have no idea what kind of missionary work or support thereof that anybody does. You need to step back and rethink your attacks.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Because viruses use vital metabolic pathways within host cells to replicate, they are difficult to eliminate (e.g. cure) without using drugs that cause toxic effects to host cells in general. The most effective medical approaches to viral diseases are vaccinations to provide immunity to infection, and antiviral drugs that selectively interfere with viral replication.

If you can make people immune to a virus through vaccination or interfere with their ability to replicate to the point that they cease replicating, I suppose that's the best modern medicine can presently accomplish in those cases it can while utilizing quarantine on the remainder which are considered deadly.

I found this interesting:

"The basic problem is that a virus isn't much more than a set of genetic instructions wrapped up in a protective coat that helps deliver the genes into an appropriate host cell. When that happens, expression of those genes begins, ultimately resulting in production of progeny virus particles and (usually) destruction of the infected cells. The progeny virus particles then spread out to infect surrounding cells and continue the process. The viral genes cannot be expressed unless they are introduced into a living host cell that provides the functions needed for expression and replication of the viral genome. The real problem is that viral replication is carried out by normal host cell functions, although those functions are now being directed by viral information to make viral products, so the infected cell usually isn't appreciably different than an uninfected cell. Anything that will block viral replication in infected cells will also block normal host functions in uninfected cells. (I have a treatment that will immediately stop the replication of any virus causing the common cold. Unfortunately, hydrogen cyanide also stops the functioning of every other cell in the patient's body. Not a very good therapeutic outcome.)

All of this is contrasted with bacterial infections, for which we have a wide variety of effective treatments/cures. Bacteria are capable of independent growth, as long as their nutritional needs are met (they have all of the functions needed to express and replicate their genomes). For pathogenic bacteria, that usually means establishing themselves in a human host but many of those bacteria can be grown on artificial media, if the media are rich enough in the things the bacteria need. The bacteria really need the host only to provide nutrients that are not easily available elsewhere. Bacterial functions, in many cases, are sufficiently different from host functions that drugs can be found that will block bacterial functions without dramatically affecting the host."

Larry D. Farrell, Ph.D.
Professor of Microbiology
Idaho State University

Problem is AgeofKnowledge, no virus based disease is curable. Even the Common Cold cannot be cured. We are powerless to do anything, except aid the body in its natural defenses against such things. So, the label of incurable is hardly startling to me, since it is a virus born pathogen.

 

[PennEd]

Fact-1. Brantley has Ebola

Fact-2. Nobody, Brantley included, knows how he contracted the disease.

Fact-3. Everybody agrees there is no cure and only the symptoms can be managed.

Bearing those facts, Dr. Ben Carson is exactly right.


He deserves our prayers, and his (and the others) courage is extraordinary, but those are secondary issues.

Dr. Ben Carson: Mistake to Bring Ebola Patients to US

 

[Esanta]

Because viruses use vital metabolic pathways within host cells to replicate, they are difficult to eliminate (e.g. cure) without using drugs that cause toxic effects to host cells in general. The most effective medical approaches to viral diseases are vaccinations to provide immunity to infection, and antiviral drugs that selectively interfere with viral replication.

If you can make people immune to a virus through vaccination or interfere with their ability to replicate to the point that they cease replicating, I suppose that's the best modern medicine can presently accomplish in those cases it can while utilizing quarantine on the remainder which are considered deadly.

I found this interesting:

"The basic problem is that a virus isn't much more than a set of genetic instructions wrapped up in a protective coat that helps deliver the genes into an appropriate host cell. When that happens, expression of those genes begins, ultimately resulting in production of progeny virus particles and (usually) destruction of the infected cells. The progeny virus particles then spread out to infect surrounding cells and continue the process. The viral genes cannot be expressed unless they are introduced into a living host cell that provides the functions needed for expression and replication of the viral genome. The real problem is that viral replication is carried out by normal host cell functions, although those functions are now being directed by viral information to make viral products, so the infected cell usually isn't appreciably different than an uninfected cell. Anything that will block viral replication in infected cells will also block normal host functions in uninfected cells. (I have a treatment that will immediately stop the replication of any virus causing the common cold. Unfortunately, hydrogen cyanide also stops the functioning of every other cell in the patient's body. Not a very good therapeutic outcome.)

All of this is contrasted with bacterial infections, for which we have a wide variety of effective treatments/cures. Bacteria are capable of independent growth, as long as their nutritional needs are met (they have all of the functions needed to express and replicate their genomes). For pathogenic bacteria, that usually means establishing themselves in a human host but many of those bacteria can be grown on artificial media, if the media are rich enough in the things the bacteria need. The bacteria really need the host only to provide nutrients that are not easily available elsewhere. Bacterial functions, in many cases, are sufficiently different from host functions that drugs can be found that will block bacterial functions without dramatically affecting the host."

Larry D. Farrell, Ph.D.
Professor of Microbiology
Idaho State University

Essentially,a vaccine is a weakened or dead form of a virus in a plasma solution, that when injected into the host causes the immune system to react and look to create antibodies. They can be made for practically any virus, and we have the science. The sad, sad issue with it is that pharmaceutical companies don't consider viruses which cause isolated, sporadic outbreaks in third world countries - like Ebola - to be good enough incentive to splash out and develop vaccines.