Obamacare DEAD...

[AgeofKnowledge]

Here's another fine example of leftardism raising it's ugly totalitarian head:

Civil Rights Commissioner: Young Adults' Speech Should Be Restricted

These leftard "Civil Rights" advocates insist that freedom of speech should not apply to young people because they say their brains are not mature enough to handle free speech.

 

[Stephen63]

I look at Obamacare from a different angle:

Remember when we had some orange shortages, & the prices went up? Did they come back down when the 'shortage' was over? NOPE.
What about coffee? Milk? What about food costs when gas prices soared? Did any of these come back down when the "crisis" was over? NOPE.

Now, what do you think will happen to your insurance premiums once Obamacare is repealed? NOTHING. They will still slowly climb at their NEW HEIGHTENED RATES! Do you think companies will put full-timers back on or quit hiring temps? NOPE.

Now you know what Obamacare is really all about.

Insurance companies has an excuse to ridiculously jack up their rates, big business has an excuse to cut to the bone full-time benefits & insurance to its employees, not to mention the MILLIONS of employees that will have to go to temp services to get any kind of job, paying out-of-pocket ridiculous rates for their own insurance. And these companies will get away with it, too.

Everybody knows Obamacare would be temporary....... even Obama himself.

And who gets blamed for all of this? Big business? The Insurance industry? Lobbyists? Just one man will be blamed....... after all, somebody's paying him to be blamed, right?

 

[AntonHolden]

It always amazes me how someone, like yourself, could live in such sweeping denial of the truth. Your comments do show that you have a butt-hurtedness about you as you say.

First, it's not hard to discredit that which is discreditable and that is a word which pretty well sums up Obama's entire presidency.

So, of course, obstructing evil is good. You're ignorance of this is itself stupid.

Finally, Romney was no peach and most Republicans I spoke with understood that going into the election. It was a matter of the voting for the lesser of two evils. We, unfortunately, got the worst of the two.

And no, I'm not doubting your salvation because you are an ignorant person in denial. That's a personal problem which contributes to society's problems but it doesn't invalidate what Christ did FOR you.

And I'm an independent voter. I'm not a Republican or a Democrat. It's just that you're so far off the mark that even independent voters can see that plainly.

Well, since we're now resorting to personal attacks now, let me point out the pretentiousness of your tone. The fact that you think I'm in denial about something that's happening is baffling.

Now, about credibility, Obama is no prize, but tell me one example in which the GOP has been greatly successful in their large endeavors at discrediting the president. Honestly, they've spent more time on that than they have actually doing any real legislative work.

Next point. What Republicans do you speak of? Do you often talk to many Republican senators and representatives on capitol hill? Because those are the republicans I'm referring to.

Another point, there you go again.. Issuing personal attacks on someone who has a different opinion than you and who you clearly hold yourself above. Note for the future, I've read some of your posts before this thread and had you pegged for a pretty smart guy. Didn't always agree, but I thought you had a smart mind. But NOW, you've just proven yourself to be nothing more than just another snotty, pretentious intellectual whose nose is in the air. Please, tell me. Do you and your friends even make eye contact during conversations, or do all you guys tilt your heads back like you're embodying The New Yorker's logo?

 

[SonInMe]

It is also ignorance to say we got the worse of the two evils by electing Obama instead of Romney.

One can not make that assumption because we do not know exactly what Romney would have done if elected president. The only thing we can say is what he said during the running.
And lets see some of the things he said. Said he did not care about the less fortunate/struggling Americans who believe the government is there to help them, was going to raise taxes on middle to lower class families making life harder on them while giving the rich tax breaks, and wanting to do away with programs that helped people who needed it.

Who knows how much further he would have gone towards hurting the middle to lower classes if elected.

People went with Obama again because Romney kept shooting himself in the foot with all the stuff he got saying, and then trying to back track out of them.

Obama has been one of the worse presidents we have had, and I rank him right along with both Bushes because they were terrible to. We can not however say Romney would have been better because we do not know when he never held the office.

Obama was elected because he was still black, the media was in his back pocket because he was still black and the christian vote did not go to Romney because he is a mormon.

Obama had an abysmal record, what did he do? He lied about the unemployment rates. No incumbent had ever been re-elected with an 8% or higher unemployment rate, so he lied about it.

He lied over and over again on his record, and the media let him.

Romney blew his nose wrong and it was front page news.

Conservatives are against the policies of this president because they are corrupt, forced by presidential fiat, outside of the constitution and the worst policies this nation has ever been under.......and we won't even mention the numerous scandals all pushed under the rug.

It is absolute ignorance to suggest conservatives do not care about the poor or did not have an alternative to this national destructor Obamacare. They did. Insurance and tort reforms would have cured most of the problems...

WITHOUT FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGING THE WAY WE RUN THE GOVERNMENT.

That....is what Obamacare is. Its brought about poorer health care at a greater cost but it did achieve its true goal...growing government with power in the hands of a few.

By the way I kinda thought the liberals were against that...the rich and powerful controlling the government...oh wait...its YOUR rich and powerful that are doing it.

Gotcha.

 

[Elizabeth619]

I read somewhere that the US has the highest insurance companies, highest paid doctors and most expensive medical treatment. Looks to me that ACA is just helping out these high prices. Healthcare is still not affordable for many people. If our health system
in General wasn't so over proved we wouldn't "need" ACA in the first place.

 

[Sirk]

The ACA was never about healthcare in the first place. It has always been about sucking up a size able portion of the economy into the govt juggernaut.

 

[AntonHolden]

The ACA was never about healthcare in the first place. It has always been about sucking up a size able portion of the economy into the govt juggernaut.

Right, because the economy did SO well being sucked up by the large corporations. Anything to take less money from Wall Street and large companies, I'm pretty much all for.

 

[SonInMe]

Just a fyi for all the marxists out there...

the more money someone makes the more opportunity there is for a job.

Evil rich white heterosexual male ceo's......bigotry is not a great trait.

Another fyi...why would you trust the government with finances? ( 17+ trillion in debt )

duh

 

[AntonHolden]

the more money someone makes the more opportunity there is for a job.

Another fyi...why would you trust the government with finances? ( 17+ trillion in debt )

I need you to explain this. Are ou saying the more money I make, the more chance I have at getting a job?

Why would I trust the government with finances? Think about that question. The problem isn't government, it's the people running; sellout politicians bought by corporations run our government.

But, if we didn't have government, what would allocate our monetary resources? The people? If you think the people should be in charge, without government, of how we allocate our resources, then that's socialism in its purest form.

 

[dcontroversal]

And mine and Wesleys was cancelled thanks to obamacare.

We still have no insurance.

You remember we all discussed this possibility numerous months ago....

 

[Sirk]

Right, because the economy did SO well being sucked up by the large corporations. Anything to take less money from Wall Street and large companies, I'm pretty much all for.

What you are referring to is crony capitalism. The ironic thing is that some of wall streets best friends, campaigned as populist candidates....many of them democrats. The politicians have rigged the game to favor the central banks and large monopoly corporations....regardless of political party. They feigned their differences to distract us from what their left hands were doing.

 

[AntonHolden]

What you are referring to is crony capitalism. The ironic thing is that some of wall streets best friends, campaigned as populist candidates....many of them democrats. The politicians have rigged the game to favor the central banks and large monopoly corporations....regardless of political party. They feigned their differences to distract us from what their left hands were doing.

Well, yes, of course. These are the New Democrats, namely Obama, the Clintons, and others, who have poised themselves as populist Democrats, but very few of them actually stick to how they're marketed. Nearly all of them are bought by Wall Street and are financed by the Kochs, Goldman Sachs, and BofA.

 

[Stephen63]

Yeah, go back to the old political blame-game & duke it out while the 1% sits back & laughs at you for being so blind & doing what they wanted you to do.

Blindness came to Israel & look where it got them.....

Are there really any true democrats & republicans any more? Or is it now 2 political clubs working for the same boss?

If you're gonna blame puppet presidents for anything, blame them for selling our country out...... nothing else are original ideas, they're just reading a script.

As blind americans arguing over political parties, black & white, etc., wake up & realize we've been reading a script too..... we were just too brainwashed to know it, that's all.

 

[SonInMe]

The more 1%ers out there the better chance the rest of us will have a job.

They spend their money buying products we make.

They invest and grow their companies and hire more people, the companies that supplies them hires more people.

When the government is involved the money disappears. It goes into croneyisms. Kickbacks. Paybacks. It produces 800 dollar hammers. It takes ten dollars to give three dollars to charity. It makes a few in congress and their pals rich and produce nothing while hurting those who DO produce and make products and hire people.

If you punish success all you are going to have is...

the Soviet Union

Greece

Detroit.

 

[AntonHolden]

The more 1%ers out there the better chance the rest of us will have a job.

They spend their money buying products we make.

They invest and grow their companies and hire more people, the companies that supplies them hires more people.

When the government is involved the money disappears. It goes into croneyisms. Kickbacks. Paybacks. It produces 800 dollar hammers. It takes ten dollars to give three dollars to charity. It makes a few in congress and their pals rich and produce nothing while hurting those who DO produce and make products and hire people.

If you punish success all you are going to have is...

the Soviet Union

Greece

Detroit.

There are a number of things wrong with your argument. The one percenters are not to so-called "job creators" that they claim to be. The wealth of the one percent has grown exponentially since the recession, but the number of jobs has not grown with it. In fact, it's gone down.

Do you know how companies invest and grow their companies? By cutting labor costs through low wages and cut labor hours. That, and outsourcing labor. A company's main goal isn't employing people and giving us a better living, it's to make money. That's it. And a company will do anything it can to cut costs, even it it's at the expense of its employees. Did you know that the government spends billions on public assistance to fulltime Walmart employees because the company doesn't pay it's workers well?

Not to mention, offshore tax havens that US corporations use to store their money to avoid paying federal taxes, and also asking for corporate welfare. A poor person who tries to get on foodstamps is judged and looked down upon as a sponge, but if a company, a highly profitable company with boat loads of money, asks for entitlements, then no one cares.

It's not punishing success, it's making sure everyone pays their fair share.

 

[Stephen63]

The more 1%ers out there the better chance the rest of us will have a job.

They spend their money buying products we make.

They invest and grow their companies and hire more people, the companies that supplies them hires more people.

When the government is involved the money disappears. It goes into croneyisms. Kickbacks. Paybacks. It produces 800 dollar hammers. It takes ten dollars to give three dollars to charity. It makes a few in congress and their pals rich and produce nothing while hurting those who DO produce and make products and hire people.

If you punish success all you are going to have is...

the Soviet Union

Greece

Detroit.

Anybody for the 1%'ers can have them........ & share the Tribulation with them. They are not for God when they want to be God.

 

[Stephen63]

There are a number of things wrong with your argument. The one percenters are not to so-called "job creators" that they claim to be. The wealth of the one percent has grown exponentially since the recession, but the number of jobs has not grown with it. In fact, it's gone down.

Do you know how companies invest and grow their companies? By cutting labor costs through low wages and cut labor hours. That, and outsourcing labor. A company's main goal isn't employing people and giving us a better living, it's to make money. That's it. And a company will do anything it can to cut costs, even it it's at the expense of its employees. Did you know that the government spends billions on public assistance to fulltime Walmart employees because the company doesn't pay it's workers well?

Not to mention, offshore tax havens that US corporations use to store their money to avoid paying federal taxes, and also asking for corporate welfare. A poor person who tries to get on foodstamps is judged and looked down upon as a sponge, but if a company, a highly profitable company with boat loads of money, asks for entitlements, then no one cares.

It's not punishing success, it's making sure everyone pays their fair share.

Well said, my friend.

 

[JesusLives]

O.K. This was just flat out funny to me and personally I think since 2014 I paid my entire medical bills on my own with no assistance that I should get a bonus instead of having to pay a penalty for not having insurance....I should get a gold star and a smiley face at least for not costing my neighbor or the government a penny....lol

I am considering becoming a frequent flyer.....if I am brave enough I might mention Al Qaeda......lol

 

[Mitspa]

Do you realize how much money we blow on defense funding that could be put towards our deficit? We spend more on defense then the next 25 countries combined. Maybe thats a serious problem that should be looked at. And we can start reducing it by staying out of the middle east and just letting them bomb each other into oblivion since they all seem so eager to do so anyways.

If you believe the Constitution ...the one main goal of the Federal Government is the maintain the defense of this country...Don't think these people are content to kill each other..in fact the reason they kill over there is because we are too strong for them to come over here...If we drop our defenses the whole world will go to heck...and these other evil men will come and enslave our people.

 

[Nautilus]

If you believe the Constitution ...the one main goal of the Federal Government is the maintain the defense of this country...Don't think these people are content to kill each other..in fact the reason they kill over there is because we are too strong for them to come over here...If we drop our defenses the whole world will go to heck...and these other evil men will come and enslave our people.

You do realize that the majority of the countries below us in defense spending...like 90% of the other top 25 are our allies right? I swear some of you people confuse me? Whats it like to live with such fear of international bogeymen?