It Is satanic Heresy to Deny Eternal Security

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Atwood

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Re: Tangential Issues & Related Doctrines

Paul is talking about a group of people that God had known in the past (those that loved [sic!] Him).
You changed the text for present to past tense.

The group foreknown, etc. is defined by the words of the text and stands by its internal definition -- though the whole thing explains how it is that all things work together for good to those who presently love God. Long before the love God now, in the past things happened. But the persons in the past are internally defined.

For whom
he foreknew,
he also foreordained to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren: and whom
he foreordained, them
he also called: and whom he called, them
he also justified: and whom he justified, them
he also glorified.

"whom He foreknew" means everyone whom He foreknew.
"whom He foreordained" means everyone whom He foreordained
"whom He called" means everyone whom He called.
"whom He justified" means everyone whom He justified."
And then everyone justified was glorified.

It is clear as a bell. And it deals with God as the subject.
God did something to a group of persons long before they loved Him (even when they were enemies). (God commends His own love for us in that while we were yet enemies, Christ died for us.)
He foreknew, He foreordained, He called, He justified, He glorified.
It is a linked chain that cannot be broken.

When it spoke of those who love God (present tense), that is People doing the loving. The people are the subject, and God the object.
Yes, the people who presently love God are the people that God previously in the past did those 5 things to.

But that doesn't change the chain at all -- it all happened in the past before they presently love.

The plain meaning is that if one is anywhere in that chain, he makes it to glorification; and specifically all the ones justified end up glorified. That is eternal security or the perseverance of the saints all the way to glory.

And this was all a done deal before they love God. For the ones who presently love God, all things are working together for good now, but this is because the whole process ending up with glorification was already settled by God long ago.
 

Atwood

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Kenneth, this post is all your words. It thus means nothing. To prove something requires quoting the Bible.

Over & over the Bible offers salvation only for believing.

Just one example out of many I have posted:

Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, & you shall be saved.


There are exceptional places where other terms are used, like "repent." Consistent with the multitude of believe only passages, then you must understand that repentance is a change of mind from non-belief to belief in the Savior.

Metamelomai means sorrow for sin, like Judas had, who hanged himself. Metamelomai does not save.
 

nowyouseem033

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First of all I agree with your statement. God does command all men to repent, believe and put their faith in jesus Christ.
However.

Your assuming that when someone professes faith in Christ that somebody automatically possesses faith for Christ.
Which is not true.

Your not saved by your profession, your saved by your possession.

Professing faith is a mere by-product of possessing faith.

is it possible to pray to God according to the flesh not in accordance to the spirit.
YES
Don't make the gospel a step by step do this and that and your on your way to heaven.

God reveals truth and God hides truth. God opens eyes and God blinds eyes.

Ultimately in conclusion it is God who gives the faith needed to believe otherwise we fllen beings would never come to Jesus Christ.
 
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nearly 200 pages of banging heads. Great stuff.
 

Atwood

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Repentance Is Not a Separate Way to Be Saved

Since there are so many, many passages that offer salvation to man where the only thing man must do is believe/have faith (in the Lord Jesus), believe/faith must be the only human essential.

Making repent a separate step in obtaining salvation, and in fact postulating a number of human steps to salvation, is unbiblical.

Repent is used sometimes, and a number of times when "salvation" is not mentioned. But repentance is not really something different from believe. Repentance is a change of mind (metanoia), not feeling sorry or turning over a new leaf. The change of mind which fulfills man's responsibility is the change from non-belief to belief. Believing after non-believing is a change of mind.

For example, one may be trusting in water baptism or some other work and then changes mind to trusting the Lord Jesus as only & sufficient Savior.

For example, one may have written off the Savior as a mere chance-giver, and then changes mind to trusting Him as Savior.

It was rightly pointed out that a professor is not necessarily a possessor of salvation. One is not saving by professing. Now what must I do to become a possessor?

Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you shall be saved.

It is wrong to take passages on apostasy of professors & try to argue vs eternal security from such passages. The doctrine is not that all professors are secure. Apostasy is well explained in 1 John 2 as indicative that one was never in the Body of Christ. All those who are "of us" stay "in us," which is eternal security.

Not every prayer is indicative of trusting Christ as Savior.

There is indication that faith is a gift from God in scripture ("to you it has been given . . . to believe.") However, it is possible to affirm eternal security without affirming the statement that belief is the gift of God. Some may claim that God has given the common grace to every man so that he may believe if he so chooses, claiming that believing is not something good in itself (not a good work); people have the ability to believe or to trust in things, as con-artists rely on if they sell someone the Brooklyn Bridge.

However, this issue does not need to be settled to affirm eternal security. Eternal security may be affirmed just by reading & believing God's promises to the believer, His sheep, like

"I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish."

Let not any theory about free will or apostasy prevent you from trusting Christ as only & sufficient Savior. If you have down-graded him to "chance-giver," repent and trust Him as your Savior; He who will guarantee your eternal destiny.
 
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2Thewaters

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when you tell someone you cannot stop smoing crak so its ok you are saved anyway

that is not the bible
the Bible says the person who teaches that is lost also
because they are a deciever

the Bible says
GO AND SIN NO MORE

and when you believe in the blood of JEsus
you are giving the power to never sin that sin again as long as you pray in the blood of JEsus

you say they cant stop smoing crack
well you are WRONG
you must be smocin crack!

I gave up crack and never touched it again

and the devil says
see how self righteous he is!

cause the devil leads you when you say that he knows you and he lives in you when you accuse people

I will never smoke crack again
because JESU MY RIGHTEOUSNESS WROTE HIS LAW IN MY HEART

that is the new covenant

if you dont have it
you need to be born again in the new covenent

the love of the law in our hearts and following it by the blood of JESUS
I am not self righteous
JESUS IS MY RIGHTEOUSNESS!
HE IS POERFUL
HE GIVES ME POWER TO RESIST CRACK EVERY TIME

every day satan tempts me with it
and everyday day I pray
and everyday JEsus says dont do it it is sin
if you smoke it you reject me and will be lost
and I say no problem
I wont smoke it because I love you

dont you dare tell me we cant stop sinning by the blood of JEsus you false religion spewers

the law of the Lord is righteous CONVERTING THE SOUL

you been converted yet?

YOU stopped porking women in your church behind their husbands back
?

YOU stopped telling dirty jokes?

YOU stopped drinking beer and playing violent video games?
no?
well then you ARE NOT SAVE FROM YOUR SINS CAUSE YOU KEEP DOING THEM!
obbviously you are not saved from doing your sins

I am here to tell you Jesus will accept you in the beloved by his blood
to save you from that deceptive religion that says being good will take you to hell

and start trusting in Jesus
and doing his word
and STOP SINNING RIGHT NOW ANY SIN ANY SIN ANY SIN

crack incuded

I am here to tell yo My JESUS and his blood stops my crack dead in its tracks every single struggling day in prayer
and anyone who says it is my righteousness my self righteousness is an idiot
they dont know JEsus
they dont know the real gospel
thtey dont know their Bible
they dont know anything but deception

for I cant resist crackno
way
no human can

only the blood of Jesus can resist that evil stuff.

Jesus can resist all eveil

I dome here to tell you to repent from once saved always saved

you arent going to pray on your knees to overcome sin if you dont think you have to!

well you have to

and the false doctrines will make you lost since you have been told a big fat fairy tale

so that you wont struggle with sin that is the trick

But Jesus will save YOU from deception
he will ALWAYS FORGIVE YOU IF YOU COVENANT WITH HIm

what is the covenant about?

He says I will come with the sword everytime YOU are tempted and fight FOR YOU!!

Jesus wins when he fights

you pray, he comes, he fights, he wins

we dont sin then
we resist unto blood

know that that means
?

resisitng sins unto blood?

that is the warrior way the true desciple resisting all sins unto blood the blood of JEsus
JEsus can
and does
and if you dont learn to do it
you will be the one burning up
after being decieved like th majority who keep right on sinning



ewith JEsus there is no more sin
the sin with prayer is resisted

have you ever resisted anything unto blood?

have you?
I have

I restied crakc in the power Jesus blood until blood ran from my eyes
that is HIS power HIS righteousness i have noe
and if you dont stop sinning every sin in your nlife before the 7th plague is poured out you will perish in your false twisted religion of KEEP RIGHT ON SINNING YOU ARE GOING TO HEAVE

no
you are not
unless you overcome you ARE NOT GOING

GOD SAYS SO
MY BIBLE SAYS SO
and you cannot show me totherwise it doesnt exist
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Mat 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
Mat 7:25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
Mat 7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
Mat 7:27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
 
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2Thewaters

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sorry my correction timed out
let me post it correctly:

when you tell someone you cannot stop smoking crack, so its "ok" because you are saved anyway -> garbage
that is NOT IN THE BIBLE ANYWHERE that is a tinfoil fantasy religion.

that is not the bible
the Bible says the person who teaches that is lost also
because they are a deciever

the Bible says
GO AND SIN NO MORE

and when you believe in the blood of JEsus
you are given
by God almighty
the power in the blood of Jesus to resist every sin
by prayer.

the power to never sin
is given to you

144,000 in the last day will be COMPLETELY SINLESS in word deed and action by the BLOOD OF JESUS ALONE!

will you be one of them?
obviously not. unless YOU repent.

how can you be part of a people who fight day and night resisiting sin when you teach you dont have to?

see how you are decieved by false doctrine?
my Bible says resist sin
resist sin
resist
sin
front to back
Genesis to revelation

false doctrinal agents of the enemy say "you cant resist sin"
liar, the truth is not in those teachers at all..

I can hear by the still small voice anti-bible preaching cause I read the Bible!
You cant fool me!
what you say is NOT IN THE BIBLE!

let me warn you brother, you are outside what the Bible says
repent
read your Bible
and get the real gosple
the gospel of salvation from ALL SIN

JEsus was sent to SAVE HIS PEOPLE FROM SINNING!

from there sins

that is what it is all about

that is what John the baptist taught
GO READ IT

what you teach is not in the Bible.

here is what the Bible says:

Luke 3:7 Then said he to the multitude that came forth to be baptized of him, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
Luke 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
Luke 3:9 And now also the ax is laid unto the root of the trees: every tree therefore which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Luke 3:10 And the people asked him, saying, What shall we do then?
Luke 3:11 He answereth and saith unto them, He that hath two coats, let him impart to him that hath none; and he that hath meat, let him do likewise.
Luke 3:12 Then came also publicans to be baptized, and said unto him, Master, what shall we do?
Luke 3:13 And he said unto them, Exact no more than that which is appointed you.
Luke 3:14 And the soldiers likewise demanded of him, saying, And what shall we do? And he said unto them, Do violence to no man, neither accuse any falsely; and be content with your wages.
Luke 3:15 And as the people were in expectation, and all men mused in their hearts of John, whether he were the Christ, or not;
Luke 3:16 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:


that is the gospel

believe it
give uop your shining tin foil religion that says your going to heaven even whil you lie cheat and steal you are decieved if you teach that.

that sin again as long as you pray in the blood of JEsus

you say they cant stop smoing crack
well you are WRONG
you must be smocin crack!

I gave up crack and never touched it again

and the devil says
see how self righteous he is!

cause the devil leads you when you say that he knows you and he lives in you when you accuse people

I will never smoke crack again
because JESU MY RIGHTEOUSNESS WROTE HIS LAW IN MY HEART

that is the new covenant

if you dont have it
you need to be born again in the new covenent

the love of the law in our hearts and following it by the blood of JESUS
I am not self righteous
JESUS IS MY RIGHTEOUSNESS!
HE IS POERFUL
HE GIVES ME POWER TO RESIST CRACK EVERY TIME

every day satan tempts me with it
and everyday day I pray
and everyday JEsus says dont do it it is sin
if you smoke it you reject me and will be lost
and I say no problem
I wont smoke it because I love you

dont you dare tell me we cant stop sinning by the blood of JEsus you false religion spewers

the law of the Lord is righteous CONVERTING THE SOUL

you been converted yet?

YOU stopped porking women in your church behind their husbands back
?

YOU stopped telling dirty jokes?

YOU stopped drinking beer and playing violent video games?
no?
well then you ARE NOT SAVE FROM YOUR SINS CAUSE YOU KEEP DOING THEM!
obbviously you are not saved from doing your sins

I am here to tell you Jesus will accept you in the beloved by his blood
to save you from that deceptive religion that says being good will take you to hell

and start trusting in Jesus
and doing his word
and STOP SINNING RIGHT NOW ANY SIN ANY SIN ANY SIN

crack incuded

I am here to tell yo My JESUS and his blood stops my crack dead in its tracks every single struggling day in prayer
and anyone who says it is my righteousness my self righteousness is an idiot
they dont know JEsus
they dont know the real gospel
thtey dont know their Bible
they dont know anything but deception

for I cant resist crackno
way
no human can

only the blood of Jesus can resist that evil stuff.

Jesus can resist all eveil

I dome here to tell you to repent from once saved always saved

you arent going to pray on your knees to overcome sin if you dont think you have to!

well you have to

and the false doctrines will make you lost since you have been told a big fat fairy tale

so that you wont struggle with sin that is the trick

But Jesus will save YOU from deception
he will ALWAYS FORGIVE YOU IF YOU COVENANT WITH HIm

what is the covenant about?

He says I will come with the sword everytime YOU are tempted and fight FOR YOU!!

Jesus wins when he fights

you pray, he comes, he fights, he wins

we dont sin then
we resist unto blood

know that that means
?

resisitng sins unto blood?

that is the warrior way the true desciple resisting all sins unto blood the blood of JEsus
JEsus can
and does
and if you dont learn to do it
you will be the one burning up
after being decieved like th majority who keep right on sinning



ewith JEsus there is no more sin
the sin with prayer is resisted

have you ever resisted anything unto blood?

have you?
I have

I restied crakc in the power Jesus blood until blood ran from my eyes
that is HIS power HIS righteousness i have noe
and if you dont stop sinning every sin in your nlife before the 7th plague is poured out you will perish in your false twisted religion of KEEP RIGHT ON SINNING YOU ARE GOING TO HEAVE

no
you are not
unless you overcome you ARE NOT GOING

GOD SAYS SO
MY BIBLE SAYS SO
and you cannot show me totherwise it doesnt exist
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Mat 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
Mat 7:25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
Mat 7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
Mat 7:27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
 
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Atwood

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Back to the Topic = OSS, Eternal Security

OSS = the remarkable POV that if a man is once saved, why he is saved!
the astounding conviction that the Savior actually
"shall save His people from their sin."

Meditate on the Word of God & allow the conviction:

Jehovah redeems the soul of his servants;
And none of them who take refuge in him shall be condemned.

Ps 52
But as for me, I am like a green olive-tree in the house of God:
I trust in the lovingkindness of God for ever and ever.
I will give thee thanks for ever, because thou hast done it;

1 Thes 5 end:
"And the God of peace himself sanctify you wholly; and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved entire, without blame at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. Faithful is He Who calls you, Who will also do it.

Col 3
When Christ, who is our life, shall be manifested, then you also with him shall be manifested in glory.

2 Thes 2:16
Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God our Father who loved us and gave us eternal comfort and good hope through grace,

End of Rom 8:
And we know that to them that love God all things work together for good, even to them that are called according to his purpose. For whom
he foreknew,
he also foreordained to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren: and whom
he foreordained, them
he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and
whom
he justified, them
he also glorified.


31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who is against us? 3He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not also with him freely give us all things? Who shall lay anything to the charge of God’s elect? It is God that justifieth; who is he that condemneth? It is Christ Jesus that died, yea rather, that was raised from the dead, who is at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or anguish, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? Even as it is written,
For thy sake we are killed all the day long;
We were accounted as sheep for the slaughter.

Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

< 1 Pet 1
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy begat us again unto a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, unto an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, who by the power of God are guarded through faith unto a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

THE OVERCOMER
Revelation 3:5
The one who overcomes will be clothed thus in white garments, and
I will never blot his name out of the book of life.
I will confess his name before my Father… 1 John 5:4-5 For whatsoever is begotten of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith. And
who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God? For everyone who has been born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.

[Later:]
And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of the throne saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he shall dwell with them, and they shall be his peoples, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God: and he shall wipe away every tear from their eyes; and death shall be no more; neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain, any more: the first things are passed away. And he that sitteth on the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he saith, Write: for these words are faithful and true. And he said unto me, They are come to pass. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. He who overcomes shall inherit these things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. But for the fearful, and unbelieving, and abominable, and murderers, and fornicators, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, their part shall be in the lake that burneth with fire and brimstone; which is the second death.

< 2 Tim 4:18
The Lord will deliver me from every evil work, and will save me unto his heavenly kingdom;

Rm 6:23b
the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
John 6:37
All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.
John 10:28
I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand.
John 3:16
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
John 5:24
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.

2 Corinthians 1:22
And who has also put his seal on us and given us his Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.
Romans 11:29
For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.
1 John 5:13
I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.
Philippians 1:6
And I am sure of this, that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ.

Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sin.

All who have diminished the Lord Jesus to a mere "chance-giver"
are urged to trust Him as the only & sufficient Savior.
Trust Him with your eternal destiny now.







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Atwood , You must remove your BLINDERS, you have tunnel vision, you refuse to see all the Bible requirements for salvation. You have a FALSE definition for repentance. ;To repent is to STOP dead works and do good works of faith. love, Hoffco
 
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Re: Back to the Topic = OSS, Eternal Security

Atwood you are mission The meaning of "called" in God's golden chain of salvation. "Called" is not the general call that can be refused, no way, "called" is the effectual call that forces one to come to Christ in faith and obedience.
 
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Re: Back to the Topic = OSS, Eternal Security

I do believe this thread's truth. It is Satanic heresy to deny Eternal Security. Love Hoffco
 
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Re: Back to the Topic = OSS, Eternal Security

OSS = the remarkable POV that if a man is once saved, why he is saved!
the astounding conviction that the Savior actually
"shall save His people from their sin."
If OSS why worry why you are saved
1 Thes 5 end:
"And the God of peace himself sanctify you wholly; and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved entire, without blame at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. Faithful is He Who calls you, Who will also do it.

Col 3
When Christ, who is our life, shall be manifested, then you also with him shall be manifested in glory.

2 Thes 2:16
Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God our Father who loved us and gave us eternal comfort and good hope through grace,

End of Rom 8:
And we know that to them that love God all things work together for good, even to them that are called according to his purpose. For whom
he foreknew,
he also foreordained to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren: and whom
he foreordained, them
he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and
whom
he justified, them
he also glorified.


31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who is against us? 3He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not also with him freely give us all things? Who shall lay anything to the charge of God’s elect? It is God that justifieth; who is he that condemneth? It is Christ Jesus that died, yea rather, that was raised from the dead, who is at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or anguish, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? Even as it is written,
For thy sake we are killed all the day long;
We were accounted as sheep for the slaughter.

Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Why worry about being separated if OSS


< 1 Pet 1
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy begat us again unto a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, unto an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, who by the power of God are guarded through faith unto a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
Why the need to overcome if OSS it does not make sense
Why the need to be guarded through faith if OSS makes no sense either


THE OVERCOMER
Revelation 3:5
The one who overcomes will be clothed thus in white garments, and
I will never blot his name out of the book of life.
I will confess his name before my Father… 1 John 5:4-5 For whatsoever is begotten of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith. And
who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God? For everyone who has been born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.

[Later:]
And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of the throne saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he shall dwell with them, and they shall be his peoples, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God: and he shall wipe away every tear from their eyes; and death shall be no more; neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain, any more: the first things are passed away. And he that sitteth on the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he saith, Write: for these words are faithful and true. And he said unto me, They are come to pass. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. He who overcomes shall inherit these things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. But for the fearful, and unbelieving, and abominable, and murderers, and fornicators, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, their part shall be in the lake that burneth with fire and brimstone; which is the second death.

< 2 Tim 4:18
The Lord will deliver me from every evil work, and will save me unto his heavenly kingdom;

Rm 6:23b
the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
John 6:37
All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.
John 10:28
I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand.
John 3:16
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
John 5:24
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.

2 Corinthians 1:22
And who has also put his seal on us and given us his Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.
Romans 11:29
For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.
1 John 5:13
I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.
Philippians 1:6
And I am sure of this, that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ.

Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sin.

All who have diminished the Lord Jesus to a mere "chance-giver"
are urged to trust Him as the only & sufficient Savior.
Trust Him with your eternal destiny now.
If OSS what is there to bring to completion at the day of Jesus Christ?
What is the point of All these scriptures If OSS....You only need one verse....believe on the Lord Jesus and you shall be saved. You believe OSS so there is no need for anything else.
 

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Atwood , You must remove your BLINDERS, you have tunnel vision, you refuse to see all the Bible requirements for salvation. You have a FALSE definition for repentance. ;To repent is to STOP dead works and do good works of faith. love, Hoffco
Hoffco, look at your post. That is just you. Prove your claims or retract. The word for repent as a human responsibility towards salvation is metanoia, not metamelomai. Metamelomai means to be sorry, regret which Judas did when he hanged himself. Judas also flung the money back. Metanoia is saving repentance.
Meta -= after
no- mind/thought.

This repentance is an after thought, a change of mind. It is not being sorry or turning over a new leaf. The only saving change of mind is belief/have faith. This is clear from the abundance of scripture which offers salvation to man only on the basis of his believing/faith.

The word has nothing to do with works. Repentance is metaNOia, not metapraxis.

God so loved the world that He gave His only Son that whosoever believes in Him should not perish, but have ever lasting life.

Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, & you shall be saved.

Believe/have faith/trust is the only MUST-I-Do for salvation

1 Peter 1
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy begat us again unto a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, who by the power of God are guarded through faith unto a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
John 3:16
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
John 5:24
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
1 John 5:13
I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.
1 John 5:10-13
Whoever believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself. Whoever does not believe God has made him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has borne concerning his Son. And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.
Ephesians 1:13
In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,
John 6:40
For this is the will of my Father, that every one that beholdeth the Son, and believes on him, should have eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

Ephesians 2:8-10 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one John 6:47
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life.
John 3:36
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.
John 3:18
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
joy,
1 Peter 1:3-5
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy begat us again unto a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 unto an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, 5 who by the power of God are guarded through faith unto a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
John 1:12
But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God,
Revelation 3:5
The one who overcomes will be clothed thus in white garments, and I will never blot his name out of the book of life. I will confess his name before my Father… 1 John 5:4-5 For whatsoever is begotten of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith. And who is he who overcomes the world, but he that believes that Jesus is the Son of God? For everyone who has been born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.

JOHN 20:30
Many other signs therefore did Jesus in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book: 31 but these are written, that ye may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye may have life in his name.

Act 13:48
And as the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of God: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.

Faithful is the saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief: 16 howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me as chief might Jesus Christ show forth all his longsuffering, for an ensample of them that should thereafter believe on him unto eternal life.
1 Tim 1:15-17
Faithful is the saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief: howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me as chief might Jesus Christ show forth all his longsuffering, for an ensample of them that should thereafter believe on him unto eternal life.

1 John 5:13
These things have I written unto you, that ye may know that ye have eternal life, even unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God.
Eph 1:10ff
to sum up all things in Christ, the things in the heavens, and the things upon the earth; in him, I say in whom also we were made a heritage, having been foreordained according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his will; 12 to the end that we should be unto the praise of his glory, we who had before hoped in Christ: 13 in whom ye also, having heard the word of the truth, the gospel of your salvation,— in whom, having also believed, ye were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 which is an earnest of our inheritance, unto the redemption of God’s own possession, unto the praise of his glory.
Luke 8:11-12
Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. 12 And those by the way side are they that have heard; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word from their heart, that they may not believe and be saved.
Acts 16:31
And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus, and thou shalt be saved, thou and thy house.
1 Cor 1:21
it was God’s good pleasure through the foolishness of the preaching to save them that believe.
Gal 2:15-16
We being Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, 16 yet knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, even we believed on Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ, and not by the works of the law: because by the works of the law shall no flesh shall be justified.

14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up; that whosoever believes may in him have eternal life.

John 3:14-18

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whosoever believes on him should not perish, but have eternal life. 1For God sent not the Son into the world to judge the world; but that the world should be saved through him. 1He that believes on him is not judged: he that believes not hath been judged already, because he hath not believed on the name of the only Son of God.
John 5:24
2Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believes him that sent me, hath eternal life, and cometh not into judgment, but hath passed out of death into life.
John 6:47
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believes hath eternal life.

John 10:27
But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: and I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, and no one shall snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who hath given them unto me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.

1 John 5:10-12
He that believes on the Son of God hath the witness in him: he that believes not God hath made him a liar; because he hath not believed in the witness that God hath borne concerning his Son. And the witness is this, that God gave unto us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 He that hath the Son hath the life; he that hath not the Son of God hath not the life.
Ps 37:5-6
Commit thy way unto Jehovah;
Trust also in him, and he will bring it to pass.
And he will make thy righteousness to go forth as the light,
And thy justice as the noonday.


Acts 15:8

And God, who knoweth the heart, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Spirit, even as he did unto us; and he made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith.

Acts 26:18b

that they may receive remission of sins and an inheritance among them that are sanctified by faith in me.

Rom 1:16-17
For I am not ashamed of the gospel: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believes; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17 For therein is revealed a righteousness of God from faith unto faith: as it is written, But the righteous shall live by faith.

Rom 3:21-30

But now apart from the law a righteousness of God hath been manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22 even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ unto all them that believe; for there is no distinction; 23 for all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God; 24 being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 whom God set forth to be a propitiation, through faith, in his blood, to show his righteousness because of the passing over of the sins done aforetime, in the forbearance of God; 26 for the showing, I say, of his righteousness at this present season: that he might himself be just, and the justifier of him that hath faith in Jesus. 27 Where then is the glorying? It is excluded. By what manner of law? of works? Nay: but by a law of faith. 28 We reckon therefore that a man is justified by faith apart from the works of the law. 29 Or is God the God of Jews only? is he not the God of Gentiles also? Yea, of Gentiles also: 30 if so be that God is one, and he shall justify the circumcision by faith, and the uncircumcision through faith.

Rom 4:1ff

:1 What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather, hath found according to the flesh? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not toward God. 3 For what saith the scripture? And Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned unto him for righteousness. 4 Now to him that worketh, the reward is not reckoned as of grace, but as of debt. 5 But to him that worketh not, but believes on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is reckoned for righteousness. 6 Even as David also pronounceth blessing upon the man, unto whom God reckoneth righteousness apart from works, 7 saying,
Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven,
And whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not reckon sin.

9 Is this blessing then pronounced upon the circumcision, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say, To Abraham his faith was reckoned for righteousness. 10 How then was it reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision: 11 and he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while he was in uncircumcision: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be in uncircumcision, that righteousness might be reckoned unto them; 12 and the father of circumcision to them who not only are of the circumcision, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham which he had in uncircumcision. 13 For not through the law was the promise to Abraham or to his seed that he should be heir of the world, but through the righteousness of faith. 14 For if they that are of the law are heirs, faith is made void, and the promise is made of none effect: 15 for the law worketh wrath; but where there is no law, neither is there transgression. 16 For this cause it is of faith, that it may be according to grace; to the end that the promise may be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all 17 (as it is written, A father of many nations have I made thee) before him whom he believed, even God, who giveth life to the dead, and calleth the things that are not, as though they were. 18 Who in hope believed against hope, to the end that he might become a father of many nations, according to that which had been spoken, So shall thy seed be. 19 And without being weakened in faith he considered his own body now as good as dead (he being about a hundred years old), and the deadness of Sarah’s womb; 20 yet, looking unto the promise of God, he wavered not through unbelief, but waxed strong through faith, giving glory to God, 21 and being fully assured that what he had promised, he was able also to perform. 22 Wherefore also it was reckoned unto him for righteousness.

Rom 5:1-2
Being therefore justified by faith, let us have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ; through whom also we have had our access by faith into this grace wherein we stand; and let us boast in hope of the glory of God.
Rom 9:30:
What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, who followed not after righteousness, attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith: but Israel, following after a law of righteousness, did not arrive at that law. Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by works. They stumbled at the stone of stumbling; even as it is written,
Behold, I lay in Zion a stone of stumbling and a rock of offence:
And he that believes on him shall not be put to shame.

Rom 10:4ff

For Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness to every one that believes. For Moses writeth that the man that doeth the righteousness which is of the law shall live thereby. But the righteousness which is of faith saith thus, Say not in thy heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down:) or, Who shall descend into the abyss? (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead.) But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach.


Gal 2:15-16
We being Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, 16 yet knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, even we believed on Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ, and not by the works of the law: because by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
 

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What is the point of All these scriptures If OSS....You only need one verse....believe on the Lord Jesus and you shall be saved. You believe OSS so there is no need for anything else.
I present the evidence of the word of God, whatever is there, whatever I find, NewB. Let the Word of God dwell in you richly.

Let a man trust the Savior and rest in His love -- Come to Me . . . & I will give you rest. Then secure in His love and constrained by the 4 dimensions of that love (Eph 3) height, depth, length, breadth of it, proceed to worship, adore, and serve the beloved Savior.

In a quiet moment can you feel that love?
 

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Atwood you are mission The meaning of "called" in God's golden chain of salvation. "Called" is not the general call that can be refused, no way, "called" is the effectual call that forces one to come to Christ in faith and obedience.
Hoffco, if you wish to take issue with me, kindly backquote where I said something instead of making things up. Thou shalt not bear false witless!

In the Golden Chain if one is foreknown, one is foreordained, if foreordained, then called, if called then justified, if justified, then glorified!

I shall sing it:

Complete in thee,
no work of mine,
Can take, dear Lord,
the place of thine;
Thy blood hath pardon bought for me;
And I am now complete in thee.

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Come ye sinners,
Tired & weary,
Weak & wounded,
sick & sore;
If you tarry till you're better.
You will never come at all.
Not the righteous, not the righteous,
Sinners Jesus came to call.

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My faith has found a resting place,
Not in device or creed;
I trust the everliving ONe,
His wounds for me shall plead;
I need no other argument;
I need no other plea;
It is enough that Jesus died,
And that He died for me.
 
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Repentance is being sorry enough that you quit sinning. see 2Cor. 7:9-10"Now I rejoice, not that you were made sorry, but that your sorrow led to repentance, For you were made sorry in a godly manner, that you might suffer loss from us in nothing For godly sorrow produces repentance leading to salvation, not to be regretted, but the sorrow of the world produces death." I think you need to get your definition from the context of the Bible and not from a lexicon or dictionary. That is your big problems in getting to the Truth of the Bible. Love to all, Hoffco
 
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SO, Mr. Atwood, what is your difinition of "called"in Rom.8:29? Love Hoffco
 
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I present the evidence of the word of God, whatever is there, whatever I find, NewB. Let the Word of God dwell in you richly.

Let a man trust the Savior and rest in His love -- Come to Me . . . & I will give you rest. Then secure in His love and constrained by the 4 dimensions of that love (Eph 3) height, depth, length, breadth of it, proceed to worship, adore, and serve the beloved Savior.

In a quiet moment can you feel that love?
You quote scripture out of context and you are comfortable with it....But it does not matter to you because you are OSS
 

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Repentance is being sorry enough that you quit sinning.
No, you confuse the result of sorrow with sorrow. But both Greek words for repentance are in 2 Cor 7: metanoia = change of mind & metamelomai = verb for being sorry.

see 2Cor. 7:9-10"Now I rejoice, not that you were made sorry, but that your sorrow led to repentance, For you were made sorry in a godly manner, that you might suffer loss from us in nothing For godly sorrow produces repentance leading to salvation, not to be regretted, but the sorrow of the world produces death." I think you need to get your definition from the context of the Bible and not from a lexicon or dictionary. That is your big problems in getting to the Truth of the Bible. Love to all, Hoffco
Glad to see some scripture in your post Hoffco. The Lexicons hopefully get their definitions from text. Context determines meanings. So good lexicons set out the meanings & give references to demonstrate those meanings. As to salvation, one year long ago I read the entire Bible through & marked all the relevant passages in pink, including such passages as I would exclude but others might argue from. But it would be absurd not to consult Greek lexicons when reading Greek words.

You should have included vs 8 because it has the verb for
μεταμέλεια in it.

Ὅτι εἰ καὶ ἐλύπησα ὑμᾶς ἐν τῇ ἐπιστολῇ, οὐ μεταμέλομαι· . . .
For if also I grieved you in the letter, I am not repenting in sorrow (metamelomai, the other word for repent!).


9 νῦν χαίρω, οὐχ ὅτι ἐλυπήθητε ἀλλ᾿ ὅτι ἐλυπήθητε εἰς μετάνοιαν·

Now I rejoice, not that you were grieved/sorrowed, but that you were grieved unto a change of mind.
The metanoia is not the grief/sorrow, which was instrumental in changing the persons' minds.

ἐλυπήθητε γὰρ κατὰ θεόν,
For you were grieved according to God,
ἵνα ἐν μηδενὶ ζημιωθῆτε ἐξ ἡμῶν.

10
ἡ γὰρ κατὰ θεὸν λύπη μετάνοιαν εἰς σωτηρίαν
For the according to God grief/sorrow change of mind-unto-salvation

ἀμεταμέλητον ἐργάζεται·
works, not to be sorrowfully-repented of.

ἡ δὲ τοῦ κόσμου λύπη θάνατον κατεργάζεται.
But the of the world grieve/sorrow works death.
(as with Judas!)

Thanks so much for quoting this passage; it has both words for repent in it. Metanoia (change of mind) resulted from sorrow/grief. And that metanoia will not suffer sorrow-repentence (metamelomai group).

The 2nd word for repent is ἀμεταμέλητον. Alpha privative starts the word ἀ- = not.
μεταμέλητον = repentable/being repented of (sorry of).

Great verse! Sorrow works Change of Mind (metanoia), and that change of mind will not lead to sorrow (μεταμέλεια)! The Godly sorrow may lead to a Change of Mind. Passage doesn't say that it is necessary to the Change of Mind, but that it is at least one way one gets to a change of mind. And the change of mind results in salvation. Of course in context this is not getting regenerated-salvation, but salvation in the Christian life (present tense of salvation).


Paul is not saying that his rebuking letter to the Corinthians which resulted in their sorrow & change of mind, was a letter to unsaved Corinthians. He was not addressing a church of unsaved persons who needed to be saved. But they had sin festering & carnality from which they required practical salvation.
 
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Great verse! Sorrow works Change of Mind (metanoia), and that change of mind will not lead to sorrow (μεταμέλεια)! The Godly sorrow may lead to a Change of Mind. Passage doesn't say that it is necessary to the Change of Mind, but that it is at least one way one gets to a change of mind. And the change of mind results in salvation. Of course in context this is not getting regenerated-salvation, but salvation in the Christian life (present tense of salvation).


Paul is not saying that his rebuking letter to the Corinthians which resulted in their sorrow & change of mind, was a letter to unsaved Corinthians. He was not addressing a church of unsaved persons who needed to be saved. But they had sin festering & carnality from which they required practical salvation.
What is the point if they were OSS...according to your doctrine there is nothing one can do to lose salvation. If they had to repent it means they were walking in the way of perdition and unless they repented they could not be saved...Unless you think they were abiding in Christ with sin festering & carnality