Why do you want carry a burden and be under a yoke?
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I'm sure glad Paul said we're dead to the law...several times
Question is, would a spiritual man speak against the law like some here do?
By the law comes the knowledge of sin. Where sin did abound, in the law, grace did much more abound. The law serves to show us how much we need Gods grace.
Why is it that none of the law keepers ever want to discuss the law that requires us to love the Lord thy God with all thy strength and all thy might? Anyone who offends the law in one point has offended the whole law. Keep the Sabbath but violate the first commandment and you have violated the whole law.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Why is it that none of the law keepers ever want to discuss the law that requires us to love the Lord thy God with all thy strength and all thy might? Anyone who offends the law in one point has offended the whole law. Keep the Sabbath but violate the first commandment and you have violated the whole law.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
We are dead to the law only when we are dead to the law. I'm glad Paul clarified: "For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live."
Question is, would a spiritual man speak against the law like some here do?
Question is, would a spiritual man speak against the law like some here do?
Romans 7:4, 6 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
Galatians 2:19-20 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
Yes the law is good but ineffective in producing righteousness.
Most of today's Christians seem to be as ignorant of the "law" as the Pharisees were at the time of Christ. Then, the Pharisees could not understand the spiritual law at all, only the physical way to remind them of the real law. Now, people see the law the way a criminal sees our secular laws only. Until they give up their fleshly way of seeing law and see it through Christ's eyes, they cannot be called great in the kingdom of heaven, and it is only Christ who can do that for them. They can be saved through Christ, even with their faulty vision, but they cannot grow in the Lord.
C
If Paul was referring to the whole law in the verses you quoted here he didn't have to state that the law is holy and he's upholding the law earlier.
So what law was he referring to if not the law of sin and death, the incapability to free from sin and it's consequence.
But is the law in and by itself sin and death?
And if one continues to sin can one call himself dead to sin?
Blame it all on the law because it shows some are not dead in Christ after all...
So what law was he referring to if not the law of sin and death, the incapability to free from sin and it's consequence.
But is the law in and by itself sin and death?
And if one continues to sin can one call himself dead to sin?
Blame it all on the law because it shows some are not dead in Christ after all...
Deuteronomy 5:12-14, "Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee. Six days thou shalt labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou."
The interesting thing I find in the above verses is the definition of the Sabbath. "Six days thou shalt lobour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God:" Nowhere in that definition do I find the word Saturday or Sunday. By tradition the people of Israel have chosen the day that we call Saturday (from sundown on Friday until sundown on Saturday) as the Sabbath. It is the seventh day on the calendars used by them and many other people around the world. I see nowhere in the above definition that ties the Sabbath, other than tradition, to a specific day on the calendar. It ties it to the day after six days of work.
I also find it interesting that we are to do no work, and that those in our household should be provided rest on the seventh day as described above. He never defines work here.
Jesus said his yoke is easy. The original commandments had been stretched into a set of laws that no one could keep, or even come close to keeping. He gave us two new commandments to keep. In doing that it is easy to keep all the commandments.
Stop being a member of the Pharisees. Don't continue to attempt to make his Salvation a burden that no one will never obtain.
The interesting thing I find in the above verses is the definition of the Sabbath. "Six days thou shalt lobour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God:" Nowhere in that definition do I find the word Saturday or Sunday. By tradition the people of Israel have chosen the day that we call Saturday (from sundown on Friday until sundown on Saturday) as the Sabbath. It is the seventh day on the calendars used by them and many other people around the world. I see nowhere in the above definition that ties the Sabbath, other than tradition, to a specific day on the calendar. It ties it to the day after six days of work.
I also find it interesting that we are to do no work, and that those in our household should be provided rest on the seventh day as described above. He never defines work here.
Jesus said his yoke is easy. The original commandments had been stretched into a set of laws that no one could keep, or even come close to keeping. He gave us two new commandments to keep. In doing that it is easy to keep all the commandments.
Stop being a member of the Pharisees. Don't continue to attempt to make his Salvation a burden that no one will never obtain.
If Paul was referring to the whole law in the verses you quoted here he didn't have to state that the law is holy and he's upholding the law earlier.So what law was he referring to if not the law of sin and death, the incapability to free from sin and it's consequence. But is the law in and by itself sin and death? And if one continues to sin can one call himself dead to sin?Blame it all on the law because it shows some are not dead in Christ after all...
Can't you see by those two verses (and there are others) I cited, are saying our walk as Christians is by faith, trusting God every step, as He leads us, guides, us, strengthens us, enlightens us, counsels and consoles us, convicts and chastises us etc.?
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I thought you understood from your posts before! Now you say that working is attempting to accomplish a burden! That is ignoring many scriptures about work. Christ considers sin a burden, not the instructions we are given to make our life here easier and more pleasant. It is man who says things like not lying is a burden, not the Lord. Christ tells us to obey both the instruction to be perfect and also tells us we can't be. If our earthly father did that, we would know, as we should know from our heavenly one, that we were to try our best to be perfect but accept that we can only try.
I don't see anything that I posted here that requires Hebrew or Greek to be a Christian.
The first part addresses when the Sabbath occurs. The second address the yoke of Jesus.
The first part clearly shows that the Sabbath can occur any day of the week.
In explaining the second I chose to show Jesus show us how easy our burden is by showing that Jesus gave us two commandments on which all others hang. The first is the greatest and the first of the old commandments. The second is to "love thy neighbor as thyself". He said that on these, all others hang. I said that if we keep these, it is easy to keep the old commandments. Nowhere in that statement do I see anything that says salvation hangs on keeping the commandments. I was addressing the easy burden that Jesus has for us to bear.
My final statement addresses the burdens that we add to what Jesus tells us to do to be saved. We are stretching the requirements for salvation just as the Pharisee's stretched the commandments into a set of laws that no one could obey.
The first part addresses when the Sabbath occurs. The second address the yoke of Jesus.
The first part clearly shows that the Sabbath can occur any day of the week.
In explaining the second I chose to show Jesus show us how easy our burden is by showing that Jesus gave us two commandments on which all others hang. The first is the greatest and the first of the old commandments. The second is to "love thy neighbor as thyself". He said that on these, all others hang. I said that if we keep these, it is easy to keep the old commandments. Nowhere in that statement do I see anything that says salvation hangs on keeping the commandments. I was addressing the easy burden that Jesus has for us to bear.
My final statement addresses the burdens that we add to what Jesus tells us to do to be saved. We are stretching the requirements for salvation just as the Pharisee's stretched the commandments into a set of laws that no one could obey.
And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made
”God kept the first Sabbath day by ending His work of the physical creation.
The interesting thing I find in the above verses is the definition of the Sabbath.
God took the seventh day and blessed and sanctified it.
The word sanctified means that God set apart the seventh day for holy use.
Neither can a man call any other day of the week the Sabbath,
or a Sabbath, and make that day blessed or sanctified by God.
looks like these tow verses show and the whole world knows what day Gods Sabbath is.
Deuteronomy 5:12-14"Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.
”God kept the first Sabbath day by ending His work of the physical creation.
The interesting thing I find in the above verses is the definition of the Sabbath.
God took the seventh day and blessed and sanctified it.
The word sanctified means that God set apart the seventh day for holy use.
Neither can a man call any other day of the week the Sabbath,
or a Sabbath, and make that day blessed or sanctified by God.
looks like these tow verses show and the whole world knows what day Gods Sabbath is.
Deuteronomy 5:12-14"Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.
Romans 10
The Word Brings Salvation
1Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved. 2For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. 3For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. 4For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
5For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them. 6But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above 7Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.) 8But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
What exactly does this mean hmm...
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
God Bless
The Word Brings Salvation
1Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved. 2For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. 3For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. 4For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
5For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them. 6But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above
7Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.) 8But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; What exactly does this mean hmm...
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
God Bless
Romans 10
The Word Brings Salvation
1Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved. 2For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. 3For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. 4For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
5For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them. 6But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above 7Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.) 8But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
What exactly does this mean hmm...
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
God Bless
The Word Brings Salvation
1Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved. 2For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. 3For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. 4For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
5For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them. 6But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above
7Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.) 8But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; What exactly does this mean hmm...
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
God Bless
1 John 2:29 If you know that He is righteous, you know that everyone who practices righteousness is born of Him.
So you see, practicing righteousness is a birth thing, not a means to the birth. Don't be deceived, he who practices righteousness is righteous.
1 John 3:7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous.
So yes, Jesus is the end of the Law as a means to be my righteous but He is not the end of the Law as a means to practice righteousness.