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[Elin]

First off, I'm new here so let me say, that I do not just believe in God, I KNOW THERE IS A GOD. therefore,
I write what I KNOW, I very rarely venture into I believe.

And let me say here that what you "know" is actually belief with certainty.

In the evangelistic Christian community we have claimed the word "saved" and only allow it to mean the day when we accepted Jesus as our Lord and savior, however when dealing with the scripture it means something else, because
everybody's soul is saved when they die. what I mean by that, is that God does not throw anyone away until He has firmly and completely given up on them and this IS Biblical, it is just not normally touched on because
most theologians and pastors are clueless about it.

So you don't know the Biblical meaning of saved. . .have you read the New Testament?

The question, does a Jeue (Jew) go to hell when they die,
the short answer is: depends upon how they lived their life. The Hebrew word translated as "eternal, or forever" as well as the Greek word translated in that manner actually mean "a life time" God does not do hell forever, God is NOT a sadist, who gets pleasure out of His chosen people's suffering, Oh, if you believe in God, you are one of His chosen people, because you can't get to that point unless God chooses you.

So you don't know the only way to enter into salvation. Have you read the New Testament?

Where do Jeues (Jews) wind up? The same place Christians do,

So you don't know the opposite destinies of the redeemed and the unredeemed.
Have you read the New Testament?

right here on Earth! What ?? yes, according to Jesus, right here on earth. Matthew 5: 5. Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth. what's the point in inheriting something if we aren't going to live here, and we get that confirmed in Revelation 5: 10. And has made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth. Now aren't we supposed to be in heaven? Yes and we will be, but if you go back to Genesis 1:8. And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. Now what is the firmament? our atmosphere, it divides the water below, (which is all the water on earth) from
the water (space) above.

The water above is not space.

The water above came down in the first rain at the flood of Noah.

Stop and think 3500 years ago, how would you describe space to the people of that time? God knew what it was but no body here would be able to understand it, but if you go underwater without an aqua lung or diving suit, your gonna die. If you go into space without a space suit, your gonna die.
In water you float, in space you float, space is the water above! that's enough for one night.

Indeed, it is!

What you "know" is untruth.

 

[RedTent]

And let me say here that what you "know" is actually belief with certainty.
So you don't know the Biblical meaning of saved. . .have you read the New Testament?
So you don't know the only way to enter into salvation. Have you read the New Testament?
So you don't know the opposite destinies of the redeemed and the unredeemed.
Have you read the New Testament?
The water above is not space.
The water above came down in the first rain at the flood of Noah.
Indeed, it is!
What you "know" is untruth.

I am sure that you feel confident you understand every word the Lord speaks in scripture, but I doubt you do anymore than I do. If you read every word Paul tells us about these people in the book of Romans, it is not clear that God has condemned everyone who thinks that the Christ who lived as a man was not the Christ God spoke of is dead in their sins. You may be right and you may, also, be wrong about your knowledge of God in this respect. At the very least, it is none of your business, it is the Lord's business.

 

[Elin]

I am sure that you feel confident you understand every word the Lord speaks in scripture, but I doubt you do anymore than I do. If you read every word
Paul tells us about these people in the book of Romans, it
is not clear that God has condemned
everyone who thinks that the
Christ who lived as a man was not the Christ God spoke of is dead in their sins.

"If you do not believe that I am he (the one I claim to be), you will indeed die in your sins." (Jn 8:24)

One thing I know, Paul does not contradict Jesus of Nazareth on the gospel. . .or anything else.
Rather, it is you who misunderstand Paul.

What Jesus said is not debatable, there is no wiggle room here:

"Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son." (Jn 3:18)

"Whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on him." (Jn 3:36)

Are you letting your eschatology overrun NT teaching?
For that is the real and present danger of private and uncertain interpretation of prophetic riddles.

You may be right and you may, also, be wrong about your knowledge of God in this respect.

No, ma'am.

If words have meaning, I may not be wrong, I am right about my knowledge of God in this respect.
It is not debatable, there is no wiggle room here.

At the very least, it is none of your business, it is the Lord's business.

Wrong, ma'am.

The gospel of Jesus Christ is the business of everyone born again.

Where in Paul specifically do you find this lack of clarity on the gospel?
Let's examine it.

 

[JaumeJ]

I suppose if one sees irreverence it is the vision that person has. I did not realize that a believer would not see that all who call on the name of Jesus Christ will suffer tribulation, especially from false brethren. This is taught quite clearly in the Gospel of our Lord.

Perhaps I am being sensitive, but the innuendo of your recent posts seem to be a very sorry attempt to make my understanding and commentary in the love of Christ something other than sharing His truth,. Also, it appears you are stalking me in order to acheive this painting. Please cease this activity before it becomes an obsession. God bless you.

It just seems so strange to caution one about stating the gospel on a Christian website.
It seems like an irrelevant concern to me.

 

[Kerry]

The whole thing is about what God really said. If you read the KJV you are close but no home run. If you read the NIV then you can be be mislead. The fact is that if you seek God you will find Him. How doe's one seek God, preferable on their knees. No one can come close to understanding God's word without the Holy Spirit. You do realize that Archaeologist and Psychologist and anthropologist and other intellects read the word of God. But only look at it as a historical book and miss the whole thing.

That is because having Eyes to see and ears to hear they cannot see nor hear. Why because their is no faith. It is impossible to please God without faith. Faith is the substance of things hoped for. I hope for the rapture and eternal life by placing my faith in the cross, because that is the promise.

 

[JaumeJ]

It is all well and good when many say they place faith in the cross as long as when they do, they place that faith in all the cross entails. Kerry, this is not agains what you have posted at all. Your words are edifying and truth. I have made mention of this need in acting upon faith in the cross so those who use this term as a "cover all" realize placing our faith in the cross means living as best we are given by the teachings of Jesus Christ. God bless you, and keep looking to the cross.

 

[Elin]

It just seems so strange to caution one about stating the gospel on a Christian website.
It seems like an irrelevant concern to me.

I suppose if one sees irreverence it is the vision that person has.

Do you mean irrelevant, as I stated?

I did not realize that a believer would not see that
all who call on the name of Jesus Christ will suffer tribulation, especially from false brethren. This is taught quite clearly in the Gospel of our Lord.

I haven't seen any tribulation here regarding the stating of the gospel.

Perhaps I am being sensitive, but the innuendo of your recent posts seem to be a very sorry attempt to make my understanding and commentary in the love of Christ something other than sharing His truth,. Also, it appears you are stalking me in order to acheive this painting. Please cease this activity before it becomes an obsession. God bless you.

You have me confused with someone else.