Did you know the early church never gathered on Sunday?

Ariel82 · Aug 7, 2014

Going to try and dig up an uplifting thread now....

[h=1]Romans 14:4-6New King James Version (NKJV)[/h] [SUP]4 [/SUP]Who are you to judge another’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. [SUP]6 [/SUP]He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord;[SUP][a][/SUP] and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks.

RedTent · Aug 7, 2014

dcontroversal said:

I don't think it is going to pass with God that the meetings reported in scripture are meetings to prove that the seventh day of creation was done all wrong. You go ahead that tell the Lord of your decision about His creation, maybe you have great influence on Him. Paul said you could designate a day only you believe in, isn't that enough for you? Paul speaks for the Lord. Paul also told you not to judge us when we try to follow the Lord in this.

prove-all · Aug 7, 2014

Ariel82 said:

24And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat:
this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.

25After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying,
This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

7Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened.
For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

8Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven,
neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness;
but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

-Jesus told us to keep Passover and the feast of unlevened bread,
no command given to keep good friday and easter sunrise

Ariel82 · Aug 7, 2014

RedTent said:

No its not enough, because I do not want Sunday to replace the Sabbath. Your statement makes evident your misunderstanding of what ours truly want.

I want to worship each day equally. I want to worship God as best as I can every day for God. I want to rest when God tells me I can rest and to do His work whenever He ask me to do no matter what day it is. I want to have every breathe and every word and every action to be to His glory.

More often then not I fail but I know God is with me to lift me up and to help me walk in His way.

If you truly love Christ, my brothers and sisters then why the judgement? Why the condemnation and false accusations thrown upon both sides of the divide?

Some want to worship the Sabbath and remember God in the manner that reminds them of things they found in the OT, some would follow Jesus more radical teachings and not give just ten percent of their time, but their whole lives. Some are still wondering what would Jesus say if He were here now?

I would say that God is here. He has sent His Holy Spirit to teach and guide us if we pray and have humble hearts.

We all are in a journey. God will reveal His truth. We are not asked to convince but to pray and speak His truth as He has placed it in our hearts.

I don't think anyone keeps the Sabbath as God outlined in the OT. Some may deceive themselves and say they do. However, if they are honest they will admit that they have cut out laws and rituals they do not think are necessary or can't be performed without a Temple or animal sacrifice.

God rested on the seventh day of Creation. However, what day was it when Adam and Eve fell? When will Creation rest again? When will the birth pangs end?

Ariel82 · Aug 7, 2014

prove-all said:

Do you understand about the Manna from Heaven?
Or what the Passover foreshadows?

Colossians 2:16
So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths,

Would you then be the judge?

Ariel82 · Aug 7, 2014

Colossians 2
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Therefore,[SUP][e][/SUP] if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations— [SUP]21 [/SUP]“Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle,” [SUP]22 [/SUP]which all concern things which perish with the using—according to the commandments and doctrines of men? [SUP]23 [/SUP]These things indeed have an appearance of wisdom in self-imposed religion, false humility, and neglect of the body, but are of no value against the indulgence of the flesh.

Scuba · Aug 7, 2014

Ariel82 said:

You are quoting verses that have been mistranslated in order to fulfill what God said would happen. Do you think the prophesies of God are fairy tails? They are given to help His people avoid deception. If you are not willing to test and prove all things then so be it but be warned you will receive the mark of the beast and become a follower of the beliefs and practices of Babylon. God is calling His people to come out of Babylon.

Ariel82 · Aug 8, 2014

mmm.... exit stage right....

Scuba · Aug 8, 2014

Ariel82 said:

Snagglepuss Exit Stage Left - YouTube

RedTent · Aug 8, 2014

Ariel82 said:

This entire rant is not of God or scripture!! God did not consult you when God created a day He especially blessed, it isn't what you want it is what is truth. I am glad that you accept God as the creator every day of the week, I don't think God takes a day off and decides on a day he didn't create, so you recognize that. Good for you.

Perhaps God sees your heart as humble before the Lord as you tell Him he didn't especially bless a certain day of the week, I hope so. It is between you and God. If you prayed, and the Lord told you as a special person that God took back what God told in scripture, that also is between you and God, to me, God backs up His word by what He tells me by the Holy Spirit, God has never told me that scripture is wrong.

Ariel82 · Aug 8, 2014

Redtent again you misunderstand almost everything I've written because you are blinded by your belief in what you think I'm saying.

You ask people not to judge you, yet you show yourself a hyprocrite and judge my words to be of neither God or scripture?

Besides your false belief that anyone is trying to claim Sunday to be the "new Sabbath" (which I say again is FALSE because I have never claimed that I was trying to make one day more valued above another, but neither will I judge those who honor either Sat or Sunday if God so leads them to do so.)

Tell me clearly what you disagree with?

1. worship God every day:

Romans 14: 5 another esteems every day alike.

Do we do this only on Sunday or every day?

1 Thessalonians 5:
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Now we exhort you, brethren, warn those who are unruly, comfort the fainthearted, uphold the weak, be patient with all. [SUP]15 [/SUP]See that no one renders evil for evil to anyone, but always pursue what is good both for yourselves and for all.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Rejoice always, [SUP]17 [/SUP]pray without ceasing, [SUP]18 [/SUP]in everything give thanks; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you

2. Why do you judge?

Romans 14: 4 [SUP]4 [/SUP]Who are you to judge another’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand.

3. Have humble hearts:

Psalm 51:17
The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit, A broken and a contrite heart— These, O God, You will not despise.

However, I would guess the only part of my words that made you flinch is the statement that you could not keep the Sabbath as God commanded in the OT fully without taking away some laws concerning the TEMPLE and the animal sacrifice?

Sorry it upset you, but its the truth if you would examine the Scriptures. You do not make animal sacrifices and you do not worship at the temple. You do not have the Aaronic priesthood. You have admitted to all of this. Therefore, however you keep the Sabbath today is NOT the same as outlined in the OT. You have changed the Sabbath worship by taking out laws and rituals you did not think applied.

If you can not admit to this, then you lie to yourself.

prove-all · Aug 8, 2014

Ariel82 said:

Colossians 2

- ok lets look

[SUP]20 [/SUP]Therefore,[SUP][e][/SUP] if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world,
why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves (to regulations)—
[SUP]
21 [/SUP]“Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle,”

- these are not Gods regulations they where added by man

[SUP]22 [/SUP]which all concern things which perish with the using—according to (the commandments and doctrines of men)?

- these are not Gods there mans, not from the finger of God, why do mans tradations?
[SUP]
23 [/SUP]These things indeed have an appearance of wisdom in self-imposed religion, false humility, and neglect of the body,

-appear self-imposed like the emperior forced religion of man

but are of no value against the indulgence of the flesh.

no wisdom no value in following man, i think better stick with the real Rock

Ariel82 · Aug 8, 2014

RedTent said:

lets address this lie....

I don't tell God He didn't bless a certain day of the week. I learned from Him why He gave the Sabbath commandment in the first place. God rested on the 7th day. However, He did not need to command people to rest on the Sabbath until after Moses lead His people out of Eygpt. Until after sin had grown so much that His people needed that outward show of worship to be reminded to put their faith in Him.

Some people still need to be reminded. Some people God has ask people to do the rituals as a reminder to others of His love, His sacrifice and His purpose. Some do it for history or cultural reason. Some keep the Sabbath to make them feel better about themselves and use it to look down upon others who do not follow their ideals. But in truth that is between them and God.

However, God commanded people to keep the Sabbath to remind the of Eden. to remind them of His perfect creation and His Rest. To remind them to trust in His providence and that the world is beyond what is seen. When the Sabbath is used in this manner: a means to rest and reconnect spiritually with God's promises and His love. then it is good. However, too often people use it to wrap chains of lies and bondage around others: lies of requirements that were nailed to the cross. bondage of guilt for not following manmade rules. For they forget: the Sabbath was made for Man, not Man for the Sabbath.

I wonder if you see your arrogance and hypocrisy in the above statement and attitude?

prove-all · Aug 8, 2014

Ariel82 said:

(Do you understand about the Manna from Heaven? )

I know it was a test command, to see if his people would obey his Sabbath,
and Gods raining down the latter rain now, hope everyone is drinking it up.

(Or what the Passover foreshadows? )

- yes passover happened long ago before Jesus born to mary.
do you know what all the other Holy days look forward to ?

12For I will pass through the land of Egypt this night, and will smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt,
both man and beast; and against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment: I am the Lord.

14And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it
a feast to the Lord throughout your generations;
ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance (for ever).

15Seven days shall ye eat unleavened bread; even the first day ye shall put away leaven out of your houses:
for whosoever eateth leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day, that soul shall be cut off from Israel.

17And ye shall observe the feast of unleavened bread; for in this selfsame day
have I brought your armies out of the land of Egypt: therefore shall ye
observe this day in your generations by an ordinance (for ever).

-a memorial for his people, a feast to the Lord, throughout generations, by an ordinance for ever

the Levites and the priests praised the Lord day by day, singing with loud instruments unto the Lord.

- Jesus keep Gods Holy days as required.

Luke 22:1 (KJV)
Now the feast of unleavened bread drew nigh, which is called the Passover.

Matthew 26:17 (KJV)
Now the first day of the feast of unleavened bread the disciples came to Jesus, saying unto him,
Where wilt thou that we prepare for thee to eat the passover?

Mark 14:12 (KJV)
And the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover, his disciples said unto him,
Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the passover?

-and commanded his church to keep them.

24And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat:
this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.

25After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying,
This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

- and his church keep them after he died and was raised.

Acts 12:3 (KJV)
And because he saw it pleased the Jews, he proceeded further to take Peter also. (Then were the days of unleavened bread.)

Acts 20:6 (KJV)
And we sailed away from Philippi after (the days of unleavened bread),
and came unto them to Troas in five days; where we abode seven days.

- so we should put away sin or unleavened

1 Corinthians 5:7 (KJV)
Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened.
For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

1 Corinthians 5:8 (KJV)
Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness;
but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

(Would you then be the judge?)

so where did i judge someone, not my job.

Jesus keep them and i do too.

Would you then be the judge?

Ariel82 · Aug 8, 2014

Manna from heaven:

[h=1]John 6:57-58New King James Version (NKJV)[/h] [SUP]57 [/SUP]As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who feeds on Me will live because of Me. [SUP]58 [/SUP]This is the bread which came down from heaven—not as your fathers ate the manna, and are dead. He who eats this bread will live forever.”

Ariel82 · Aug 8, 2014

Passover foreshadows:

Revelation 20: [SUP]15 [/SUP]And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

Ephesians 4:30
And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

The Blood of the Lamb seals His people from the angels of wrath just as the blood of the slain lamb kept death from the door upon that first passover in Eygpt when the angels took the first born of every family and flock.

(Exodus 12)

Ariel82 · Aug 8, 2014

prove-all said:

no, Manna was not a test but a blessing. Manna was a promise of the ultimate Rest found in Christ. It told of the true Bread of Heaven found in Jesus body given for the forgiveness of sins.

The Sabbath was a test to see if Israel would obey and trust in God and would stop complaining and lusting after Eygptian gods, foods and material comforts. If they would stop and devote themselves to God's will, because even though He parted the Red sea and caused water to come from rock, they still complained and wanted to turn back to Eygpt.

They were punished for none who left Eygpt were allowed to cross the Jordan into the Promise land. They all died in the wilderness and their children crossed over, all except two.

Atwood · Aug 8, 2014

Scuba said:

$64,000 for any proof that the Lord prophesied a Sabbath change from Saturday to Sunday. Put up or shut up on that one.

What is your proof that the Bible was tweaked? You are doing the tweaking, and present not a solitary verse of proof for a thing.

Acts says that they met on the first day of the week. Now I am confident that that meeting was what we call Saturday night, the day starting at sundown for them.

John 20:19
When therefore it was evening, on that day, the first day of the week, and when the doors were shut where the disciples were, for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

Acts 20:7
And upon the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul discoursed with them, intending to depart on the morrow; and prolonged his speech until midnight.

Ariel82 · Aug 8, 2014

Atwood said:

John 20:19
When therefore it was evening, on that day, the first day of the week, and when the doors were shut where the disciples were, for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

Acts 20:7
And upon the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul discoursed with them, intending to depart on the morrow; and prolonged his speech until midnight.

yea that would show it to be Sat night. thanks.

vic1980 · Aug 8, 2014

Scuba said:

God people in the old testament did gather on sunday and saturday.

The Feast of Unleavened Bread

Exodus 12:6 And in the first day there shall be an holy convocation, and in the seventh day there shall be an holy convocation to you; no manner of work shall be done in them, save that which every man must eat, that only may be done of you.

The Past Over Feast

Leviticus 23:7 In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.

New Testament

Luke 24

The Ressurection

1Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.

Road to Emmaus

13And, behold, two of them went that same day to a village called Emmaus, which was from Jerusalem about threescore furlongs

The Ascension
(Mark 16:19-20; Acts 1:6-11)

50And he led them out as far as to Bethany, and he lifted up his hands, and blessed them. 51And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven. 52And they worshipped him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy: 53And were continually in the temple, praising and blessing God. Amen.

Acts 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

They broke bread on the first day to remember our savior

God Bless

Did you know the early church never gathered on Sunday?

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