Israel still god's people?

[VCO]

Then what are they chosen for, if not election unto salvation?

The 144,000 are SEALED from Harm in their mortal bodies, during the Great Tribulation; so that AFTER CHRIST does the following, they can repopulate the Earth as HIS chosen Nation, ISRAEL, continuing GOD's Promise that His covenant with ISRAEL is EVERLASTING. (Gen. 17:7-8)

Revelation 19:20-21 (HCSB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] But the beast was taken prisoner, and along with him the false prophet, who had performed the signs in his presence. He deceived those who accepted the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image with these signs. Both of them were thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with sulfur.
[SUP]21 [/SUP] The rest were killed with the sword that came from the mouth of the rider on the horse, and all the birds were filled with their flesh.

What about us? We are NOT going to be here, because the Wedding of the Lamb in Heaven, the 70th Week of Daniel, and The Great Tribulation are ALL the exact same Week of Seven Years. See my Thread: http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...ng-out-bride-go-wedding-lamb.html#post1604022

Revelation 3:10 (NKJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.

1 Thessalonians 5:9 (ESV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] For God has not destined us for wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ,

Revelation 6:16-17 (ESV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] calling to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who is seated on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb,
[SUP]17 [/SUP] for the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand?”

What about those that turn to believe in Jesus (Jews and Gentiles) that are not part of the 144,000 sealed in their mortal bodies? ALL MARTYRED, (beheaded) by the Antichrist and His forces.

Revelation 6:9-11 (NKJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] And they cried with a loud voice, saying, "How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?"
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed.

Revelation 20:4 (HCSB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Then I saw thrones, and people seated on them who were given authority to judge. {the Bride of Christ - OT and NT Saints} I also saw the people who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of God’s word, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and who had not accepted the mark on their foreheads or their hands {Tribulation Saints}. They came to life and reigned with the Messiah for 1,000 years.

WE WILL ALL BE IN OUR GLORIFIED BODIES THAT WILL NEVER DIE, only the 144,000 can repopulate the world with mortals.

What? You still think the Church has to go through the TRIBULATION. You are welcome to stay, but remember the Parable of 10 virgins, ONLY THOSE READY TO GO TO THE WEDDING GOT TO GO. So you can stay, but as for me and MY HOUSE, we will be at the Wedding of the LAMB.

 

[Flamingspirit]

The 144,000 are SEALED from Harm in their mortal bodies, during the Great Tribulation; so that AFTER CHRIST does the following, they can repopulate the Earth as HIS chosen Nation, ISRAEL, continuing GOD's Promise that His covenant with ISRAEL is EVERLASTING. (Gen. 17:7-8)

Revelation 19:20-21 (HCSB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] But the beast was taken prisoner, and along with him the false prophet, who had performed the signs in his presence. He deceived those who accepted the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image with these signs. Both of them were thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with sulfur.
[SUP]21 [/SUP] The rest were killed with the sword that came from the mouth of the rider on the horse, and all the birds were filled with their flesh.

What about us? We are NOT going to be here, because the Wedding of the Lamb in Heaven, the 70th Week of Daniel, and The Great Tribulation are ALL the exact same Week of Seven Years. See my Thread: http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...ng-out-bride-go-wedding-lamb.html#post1604022

Revelation 3:10 (NKJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.

1 Thessalonians 5:9 (ESV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] For God has not destined us for wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ,

Revelation 6:16-17 (ESV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] calling to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who is seated on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb,
[SUP]17 [/SUP] for the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand?”

What about those that turn to believe in Jesus (Jews and Gentiles) that are not part of the 144,000 sealed in their mortal bodies? ALL MARTYRED, (beheaded) by the Antichrist and His forces.

Revelation 6:9-11 (NKJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] And they cried with a loud voice, saying, "How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?"
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed.

Revelation 20:4 (HCSB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Then I saw thrones, and people seated on them who were given authority to judge. {the Bride of Christ - OT and NT Saints} I also saw the people who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of God’s word, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and who had not accepted the mark on their foreheads or their hands {Tribulation Saints}. They came to life and reigned with the Messiah for 1,000 years.

WE WILL ALL BE IN OUR GLORIFIED BODIES THAT WILL NEVER DIE, only the 144,000 can repopulate the world with mortals.

What? You still think the Church has to go through the TRIBULATION. You are welcome to stay, but remember the Parable of 10 virgins, ONLY THOSE READY TO GO TO THE WEDDING GOT TO GO. So you can stay, but as for me and MY HOUSE, we will be at the Wedding of the LAMB.

Do you know the test that is coming?

 

[Ukorin]

The 144,000 are SEALED from Harm in their mortal bodies, during the Great Tribulation; so that AFTER CHRIST does the following, they can repopulate the Earth as HIS chosen Nation, ISRAEL, continuing GOD's Promise that His covenant with ISRAEL is EVERLASTING. (Gen. 17:7-8)

Revelation 19:20-21 (HCSB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] But the beast was taken prisoner, and along with him the false prophet, who had performed the signs in his presence. He deceived those who accepted the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image with these signs. Both of them were thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with sulfur.
[SUP]21 [/SUP] The rest were killed with the sword that came from the mouth of the rider on the horse, and all the birds were filled with their flesh.

What about us? We are NOT going to be here, because the Wedding of the Lamb in Heaven, the 70th Week of Daniel, and The Great Tribulation are ALL the exact same Week of Seven Years. See my Thread: http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...ng-out-bride-go-wedding-lamb.html#post1604022

Revelation 3:10 (NKJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.

1 Thessalonians 5:9 (ESV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] For God has not destined us for wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ,

Revelation 6:16-17 (ESV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] calling to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who is seated on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb,
[SUP]17 [/SUP] for the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand?”

What about those that turn to believe in Jesus (Jews and Gentiles) that are not part of the 144,000 sealed in their mortal bodies? ALL MARTYRED, (beheaded) by the Antichrist and His forces.

Revelation 6:9-11 (NKJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] And they cried with a loud voice, saying, "How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?"
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed.

Revelation 20:4 (HCSB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Then I saw thrones, and people seated on them who were given authority to judge. {the Bride of Christ - OT and NT Saints} I also saw the people who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of God’s word, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and who had not accepted the mark on their foreheads or their hands {Tribulation Saints}. They came to life and reigned with the Messiah for 1,000 years.

WE WILL ALL BE IN OUR GLORIFIED BODIES THAT WILL NEVER DIE, only the 144,000 can repopulate the world with mortals.

What? You still think the Church has to go through the TRIBULATION. You are welcome to stay, but remember the Parable of 10 virgins, ONLY THOSE READY TO GO TO THE WEDDING GOT TO GO. So you can stay, but as for me and MY HOUSE, we will be at the Wedding of the LAMB.

I was talking about the unsaved ancestors of the 144k.

And no.
We will face the Tribulation, but not the wrath.
The gathering of the Saints is at Christ's Return.

 

[Beckster]

When God proclaimed that Israel was His, He said it knowing their actions that would be made in the future. God is not one to take back His words/promises.

 

[Fishbait]

Really, I thought the whole Earth is His, not just one little piece of it. The universe is His for that matter.

Really. Maybe this will help you 'think' better:

2 Timothy 2:7 Consider what I say, and may the Lord give you understanding in all things.

 

[Fishbait]

Really, I thought the whole Earth is His, not just one little piece of it. The universe is His for that matter.

Some people have trouble 'thinking' as well as understanding what God told them about Israel and His plan for them. I pray this from Timothy helps your 'thought' process:

2 Timothy 2:7 Consider what I say, and may the Lord give you understanding in all things.

 

[crossnote]

Then what are they chosen for, if not election unto salvation?

Twist, twist, twist.

My original objection stems from this assertion of yours from post#223, so please don't keep covering it up...

"The descendents of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob were never genetic descendants, but descendents by faith."

 

[Bookends]

Some people have trouble 'thinking' as well as understanding what God told them about Israel and His plan for them. I pray this from Timothy helps your 'thought' process:

2 Timothy 2:7 Consider what I say, and may the Lord give you understanding in all things.

I guess you never thought you could be wrong. I guess God has given you all the light. Let me know when you finish your commentary on the whole bible.

Unteachable.

 

[Ukorin]

Twist, twist, twist.

My original objection stems from this assertion of yours from post#223, so please don't keep covering it up...

"The descendents of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob were never genetic descendants, but descendents by faith."

Do you just need me to rephrase?
If a genetic descendant of the Patriarchs has no faith, then their father is not Abraham, Isaac or Jacob, but the Enemy.
They no longer have claim to call themselves Chosen People if they have no faith.

I asked a sincere question, and covered nothing up.
No unbeliever can rightly claim to have Abraham as a father.

You have yet to answer my arguments.

 

[crossnote]

Do you just need me to rephrase?
If a genetic descendant of the Patriarchs has no faith, then their father is not Abraham, Isaac or Jacob, but the Enemy.
They no longer have claim to call themselves Chosen People if they have no faith.

I asked a sincere question, and covered nothing up.
No unbeliever can rightly claim to have Abraham as a father.

You have yet to answer my arguments.

Do you then agree your original statement was quite a different statement by the word 'never'? Hence the original challenge.

"The descendents of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob were never genetic descendants, but descendents by faith."

 

[Linda70]

Do you just need me to rephrase?
If a genetic descendant of the Patriarchs has no faith, then their father is not Abraham, Isaac or Jacob, but the Enemy.
They no longer have claim to call themselves Chosen People if they have no faith.

I asked a sincere question, and covered nothing up.
No unbeliever can rightly claim to have Abraham as a father.

You have yet to answer my arguments.

Ethnicity has absolutely nothing to do with salvation. There are more unbelieving Jews in this world than believing Jews. They are STILL JEWS ethnically....physical descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Their "spiritual" father is the devil (John 8:44), but their physical genealogy remains Jewish. My entire family is Jewish, but lost...but still physically related to me.

Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are the physical patriarchs of the Jewish people. That never changes. However, when a Jew trusts Christ for salvation, he becomes a member of the Body of Christ and a new creature in Christ Jesus, the same as a Gentile who trusts Christ for salvation.

 

[Ukorin]

Do you then agree your original statement was quite a different statement by the word 'never'? Hence the original challenge.

"The descendents of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob were never genetic descendants, but descendents by faith."

Yea, I can see what you're saying. I didn't say what I meant, and wasn't very clear.
'Never' was meant to imply that 'it has always been by faith, not by birth',
not that 'no physical descendants can have faith'.

 

[VCO]

Do you know the test that is coming?

YES!

Isaiah 37:26 (ESV)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] “‘Have you not heard that I determined it long ago? I planned from days of old what now I bring to pass, that you should make fortified cities crash into heaps of ruins,

Isaiah 46:11 (NIV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] From the east I summon a bird of prey; from a far-off land, a man to fulfill my purpose. What I have said, that will I bring about; what I have planned, that will I do.


Will I be here for that Testing of the whole World?

NO!

I have a previous engagement scheduled for that same Week of Years. It is called the Wedding of Lamb in Heaven.

 

[VCO]

Ethnicity has absolutely nothing to do with salvation. There are more unbelieving Jews in this world than believing Jews. They are STILL JEWS ethnically....physical descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Their "spiritual" father is the devil (John 8:44), but their physical genealogy remains Jewish. My entire family is Jewish, but lost...but still physically related to me.

Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are the physical patriarchs of the Jewish people. That never changes. However, when a Jew trusts Christ for salvation, he becomes a member of the Body of Christ and a new creature in Christ Jesus, the same as a Gentile who trusts Christ for salvation.

And we are all part of the SAME Congregation of GOD or Assembly of GOD, also know as the Bride of Christ.

 

[VCO]

Do you then agree your original statement was quite a different statement by the word 'never'? Hence the original challenge.

"The descendents of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob were never genetic descendants, but descendents by faith."

><>t<><

New Testament Saints = those who Believed GOD, receiving the Messiah as LORD, which means Master.

Old Testament Saints = those who Believed GOD, that Messiah would come, thus they too received Messiah as Lord.

EQUALS ONE FAITH not two, the Faith of Abraham.

 

[VCO]

Really, I thought the whole Earth is His, not just one little piece of it. The universe is His for that matter.

The only mortals that enter the thousand year KINGDOM of Jesus Christ as HE reigns from the THRONE OF DAVID, will all be Israelites. ALL true Believers of the Church age will be in their immortal resurrected bodies.

So are you the one that is not teachable?

 

[VCO]

When God proclaimed that Israel was His, He said it knowing their actions that would be made in the future. God is not one to take back His words/promises.

Genesis 17:7-8 (HCSB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] I will keep My covenant between Me and you, and your future offspring throughout their generations, as an everlasting covenant to be your God and the ⌊God⌋ of your offspring after you.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] And to you and your future offspring I will give the land where you are residing—all the land of Canaan—as an eternal possession, and I will be their God.”

 

[crossnote]

><>t<><

New Testament Saints = those who Believed GOD, receiving the Messiah as LORD, which means Master.

Old Testament Saints = those who Believed GOD, that Messiah would come, thus they too received Messiah as Lord.

EQUALS ONE FAITH not two, the Faith of Abraham.

Yes one faith, but a few different promises...e.g. land

 

[VCO]

I was talking about the unsaved ancestors of the 144k.

And no.
We will face the Tribulation, but not the wrath.
The gathering of the Saints is at Christ's Return.

Revelation 3:10 (HCSB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] Because you have kept My command to endure, I will also keep you from the hour of testing that is going to come over the whole world to test those who live on the earth.

1 Thessalonians 5:9 (HCSB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ,


Matthew 25:1-13 (HCSB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] “Then the kingdom of heaven will be like 10 virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the groom.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Five of them were foolish and five were sensible.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] When the foolish took their lamps, they didn’t take olive oil with them.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] But the sensible ones took oil in their flasks with their lamps.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Since the groom was delayed, they all became drowsy and fell asleep.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] “In the middle of the night there was a shout: ‘Here’s the groom! Come out to meet him.’
[SUP]7 [/SUP] “Then all those virgins got up and trimmed their lamps.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] But the foolish ones said to the sensible ones, ‘Give us some of your oil, because our lamps are going out.’
[SUP]9 [/SUP] “The sensible ones answered, ‘No, there won’t be enough for us and for you. Go instead to those who sell, and buy oil for yourselves.’
[SUP]10 [/SUP] “When they had gone to buy some, the groom arrived. Then those who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet, and the door was shut.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] “Later the rest of the virgins also came and said, ‘Master, master, open up for us!’
[SUP]12 [/SUP] “But he replied, ‘I assure you: I do not know you!’ {That born again inner personal Love relationship, submitting to Jesus Christ as LORD.}
[SUP]13 [/SUP] “Therefore be alert, because you don’t know either the day or the hour.


If you want to read my detailed reasons that I know born again believers of the Church age will not go through Tribulation, see my Thread: http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/95283-calling-out-bride-go-wedding-lamb.html#post1604022

 

[Ukorin]

Revelation 3:10 (HCSB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] Because you have kept My command to endure, I will also keep you from the hour of testing that is going to come over the whole world to test those who live on the earth.

1 Thessalonians 5:9 (HCSB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ,


Matthew 25:1-13 (HCSB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] “Then the kingdom of heaven will be like 10 virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the groom.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Five of them were foolish and five were sensible.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] When the foolish took their lamps, they didn’t take olive oil with them.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] But the sensible ones took oil in their flasks with their lamps.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Since the groom was delayed, they all became drowsy and fell asleep.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] “In the middle of the night there was a shout: ‘Here’s the groom! Come out to meet him.’
[SUP]7 [/SUP] “Then all those virgins got up and trimmed their lamps.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] But the foolish ones said to the sensible ones, ‘Give us some of your oil, because our lamps are going out.’
[SUP]9 [/SUP] “The sensible ones answered, ‘No, there won’t be enough for us and for you. Go instead to those who sell, and buy oil for yourselves.’
[SUP]10 [/SUP] “When they had gone to buy some, the groom arrived. Then those who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet, and the door was shut.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] “Later the rest of the virgins also came and said, ‘Master, master, open up for us!’
[SUP]12 [/SUP] “But he replied, ‘I assure you: I do not know you!’ {That born again inner personal Love relationship, submitting to Jesus Christ as LORD.}
[SUP]13 [/SUP] “Therefore be alert, because you don’t know either the day or the hour.


If you want to read my detailed reasons that I know born again believers of the Church age will not go through Tribulation, see my Thread: http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/95283-calling-out-bride-go-wedding-lamb.html#post1604022

Testing is not wrath.
We will be tested in the Tribulation.
We will not face the Wrath.

Tribulation is not Wrath.