Power in the blood

[posthuman]

i heard a preacher on the radio last week - someone famous but i don't remember his name atm.

he was talking about the ark of the covenant, and how God sat on the mercy seat, above the cherubim on the lid. below Him He saw within the box, the law on tablets of stone, His commandment and justice. and He saw the manna, His mercy and kindness.
once a year, the high priest entered the inner sanctuary, stood before the ark and poured the blood of atonement on it. when God looked down, He saw the blood covering the law and the transgression of Israel in the face of His kindness was atoned for.

this is what Christ's blood does for us, perpetually.

♥

 

[posthuman]

If I may propose that family is the issue here, not slavery.

First of all, the subject here is the sacrifices.
Secondly, slaves were members of the household, just as family was.

No one outside the household of the priest could eat the sacrifices, just as in the NT,
no one outside the household of God (Eph 2:19) can eat the NT sacrifice (Lord's Supper)
because they do not recognize the body of the Lord (as their sacrifice for sin)--1Co 11:29.

It was the duty of the priests (vv. 15-16) to keep the Israelites from bringing guilt (v.14)
upon themselves by eating the sacrifices,
for to eat the sacrifice was to take the guilt into themselves (Lev 10:17),
and the people must not bear their own guilt, only the priest was to bear their guilt.

Anyone see any pictures/symbols here?

So slaves of the priest could eat the sacrifices, but the Israelites could not.

it's an excellent point that for our western minds and American connotations, "slave" is not the best choice of words. servants that were owned were treated like household members - in their station. and Christ told His disciples He no longer called them servants, but friends -- He gives us the power to become adopted sons, which is so much more!

the law also said that an Israelite could not make a slave - an owned servant - out of a fellow Israelite! so no Israelite but the priest, even an indentured one, could eat what was consecrated.

and yet David and his men did -- Jehovah Jireh

 

[JaumeJ]

You honestly beliefe this is not why I made the reference?

Actually, that is what the Lord's Supper is to those who are born again.

 

[just-me]

Isaiah 49:26 And I will feed them that oppress thee with their own flesh; and they shall be drunken with their own blood, as with sweet wine: and all flesh shall know that I the LORD am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer , the mighty One of Jacob.

Isaiah 59:20-21
20 And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the LORD.
21 As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the LORD; My spirit that is upon thee, and my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed's seed, saith the LORD, from henceforth and for ever.

Hebrews 9:7-12
7 But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people: 8 The Holy Ghost this signifying , that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest , while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:
9 Which was a figure for the time then present , in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect , as pertaining to the conscience;
10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.
11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come , by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say , not of this building;
12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

Revelation 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying , Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain , and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

 

[just-me]

The one covenant has always been the blood.
With all the promises to any individual, or congregation, throughout Biblical history, the agreement between God and man has always been commemorated/confirmed with sacrificial blood, whether it be circumcision, salt, or sandal.

Exodus 24:6-8
6 And Moses took half of the blood, and put it in basons; and half of the blood he sprinkled on the altar.
7 And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the audience of the people: and they said , All that the LORD hath said will we do , and be obedient .
8 And Moses took the blood, and sprinkled it on the people, and said , Behold the blood of the covenant, which the LORD hath made with you concerning all these words.

 

[Elin]

If I may propose that family is the issue here, not slavery.

First of all, the subject here is the sacrifices.
Secondly, slaves were members of the household, just as family was.

No one outside the household of the priest could eat the sacrifices,
just as in the NT, no one outside the household of God (Eph 2:19)
can eat the NT sacrifice (Lord's Supper) because they do not recognize (acknowledge) the body of the Lord (as their sacrifice for sin).
(1Co 11:29)

It was the duty of the priests (vv. 15-16) to keep the Israelites from
bringing guilt (v.14) upon themselves by eating the sacrifices,
for to eat the sacrifice was to take the guilt into themselves (Lev 10:17),
and the people must not bear their own guilt, only the priest was to bear their guilt.

Anyone see any pictures/symbols here?

So slaves of the priest could eat the sacrifices, but the Israelites could not.

it's an excellent point that for our western minds and American connotations, "slave" is not the best choice of words. servants that were owned were treated like household members - in their station. and Christ told His disciples He no longer called them servants, but friends -- He gives us the power to become adopted sons, which is so much more!

the law also said that an Israelite could not make a slave - an owned servant - out of a fellow Israelite! so
no Israelite but the priest, even an indentured one, could eat what was consecrated.

and yet David and his men did -- Jehovah Jireh

Yes, preservation of innocent human life trumps all other morality,
as it did with the Hebrew mid-wives to save the baby boys and
with Rahab, the harlot, to save the spies of Israel.

 

[Elin]

i heard a preacher on the radio last week - someone famous but i don't remember his name atm.

he was talking about the ark of the covenant, and how God sat on the mercy seat, above the cherubim on the lid. below Him He saw within the box, the law on tablets of stone, His commandment and justice. and He saw the manna, His mercy and kindness.
once a year, the high priest entered the inner sanctuary, stood before the ark and
poured the blood of atonement on it. when

God looked down, He saw the blood covering the law, and
the transgression of Israel in the face of His kindness was atoned for.

this is what Christ's blood does for us, perpetually.

♥

And if I may propose again that the High Priest did not pour any blood upon the Ark,
he sprinkled it once on the front of the atonement cover (Lev 16:14).

And also that the Atonement Cover which was called the Mercy Seat (propitiation)
covered the testimony of their sin in the Ark of the Testimony; i.e.,

stone tablets - testimony to the conditions of the covenant and to their sin in breaking the covenant,
jar of manna - testimony to their grumbling (Ex 16:2-4, 33),
Aaron's staff - testimony to Korah's rebellion against the priesthood (Nu 16:1-3).

The Atonement Cover was the throne where God sits (Ps 99:1; Ex 25:22; 1Sa 4:4; 2Sa 6:2).

Made in one solid peace with the solid gold Atonement Cover were the two angels
between whom he was enthroned--Justice and Righteousness, which are the foundation
of his throne (Ps 89:14, 97:2).

So the throne of God is a Judgment Seat.

The Atonement Cover also covered the testimony of their sin in the Ark of the Testimony,
So the throne of God is also a Mercy Seat.

The throne of God (Mt 24:31) is both the Judgment Seat of the nations
and the Mercy Seat of the sons of God (Mt 24:32-34, 41).

 

[Elin]

Life is in the blood, if we partake of the Blood of Christ,we have Life indeed.
If we live as best we are given as He lived, we are truly partaking of His Blood, amen.

Actually, that is what the Lord's Supper is to those who are born again.

You honestly beliefe this is not why I made the reference?

Glad to hear that was your reason.

 

[Elin]

Isaiah 49:26 And I will feed them that oppress thee with their own flesh; and they shall be drunken with their own blood, as with sweet wine: and all flesh shall know that I the LORD am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer , the mighty One of Jacob.

Isaiah 59:20-21
20 And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the LORD.
21 As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the LORD; My spirit that is upon thee, and my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed's seed, saith the LORD, from henceforth and for ever.

Hebrews 9:7-12
7 But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people: 8 The Holy Ghost this signifying , that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest , while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:
9 Which was a figure for the time then present , in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect , as pertaining to the conscience;
10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.
11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come , by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say , not of this building;
12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

Revelation 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying , Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain , and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

Yes, Heb 9 is about the tabernacle, while Heb 8:6-7, 13 is about the old covenant.

 

[just-me]

Yes, Heb 9 is about the tabernacle, while Heb 8:6-7, 13 is about the old covenant.

I had to smile when I quoted nothing but scripture in post 24 and you are still making comments to it that are hard for me to comprehend how this applies to the scripture I quoted. It's all God's Word.

In Hebrews 8:6 it mentions the covenant and rightly so. One then must compare that with the first 5 verses in the same chapter.

1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched , and not man.
3 For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer .
4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:
5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See , saith he , that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.

There is a more excellent ministry of a tabernacle made without hands, and a High Priest that will never need replacing such as Aaron, and his sons.

6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

So the better covenant is a covenant that is related directly to the temple made without hands.

Now to address the other 2 verses where the word covenant is added when the writer is talking about a better covenant related to the temples, old and new. Without these added words (that are not in the original language, but added by KJV) they should read as follows. Let the reader choose what is right, and what is not.

Hebrews 8:7 For if that first had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
Hebrews 8:13 In that he saith , A new, he hath made the first old . Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

The word covenant can be used, but we are talking about the obligations of the priesthood that centered around the temple, and ultimately Christ Jesus, and what He fulfilled. The temple was the place built according to God's direction for the atonement of sins and the sustenance of the ministry.

A covenant is an agreement between two factions in essence. The moral obligations of responding to this covenant, and not breaking it all hinge on the shedding of blood, and our response. This all took place in the temple after it was built according to God's directions. Even before that, there was sacrifice, and blood to confirm any covenant that was instigated by God. Therefore, the confirmation of all covenants are always confirmed with blood. The New is now through Christ Jesus, and even if the physical temple doesn't exist, the principles stay the same, otherwise Jesus would have had nothing to complete, fulfill and to make an end to the entire plan of salvation.

Exodus 24:7-8
7 And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the audience of the people: and they said , All that the LORD hath said will we do , and be obedient .
8 And Moses took the blood, and sprinkled it on the people, and said , Behold the blood of the covenant, which the LORD hath made with you concerning all these words.

 

[JaumeJ]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to just-me again.

 

[just-me]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to just-me again.

Lately I get that all the time with you and others. Evidently there are not too many that I feel need a better reputation. I must be a pessimist. LOL

 

[Elin]

Isaiah 49:26 And I will feed them that oppress thee with their own flesh; and they shall be drunken with their own blood, as with sweet wine: and all flesh shall know that I the LORD am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer , the mighty One of Jacob.

Isaiah 59:20-21
20 And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the LORD.
21 As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the LORD; My spirit that is upon thee, and my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed's seed, saith the LORD, from henceforth and for ever.

Hebrews 9:7-12
7 But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people: 8 The Holy Ghost this signifying , that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest , while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:
9 Which was a figure for the time then present , in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect , as pertaining to the conscience;
10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.
11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come , by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say , not of this building;
12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

Revelation 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying , Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain , and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

Yes, Heb 9 is about the tabernacle,
while Heb 8:6-7, 13 is about the old covenant.

I had to smile when I quoted nothing but scripture in post 24 and
you are still making comments to it

Was my comment not Biblical?

that are hard for me to comprehend
how this applies to the scripture I quoted. It's all God's Word.

In Hebrews 8:6 it mentions the covenant and rightly so.
One then must compare that with the first 5 verses in the same chapter.

Did you just reveal "how my comments apply to the Scripture you quoted" (Heb 9:7-12)?

Hmmmmmm. . .

1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched , and not man.
3 For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer .
4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:
5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See , saith he , that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.

There is a more excellent ministry of a tabernacle made without hands, and a High Priest that will never need replacing such as Aaron, and his sons.

6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

So the better covenant is a covenant that is related directly to the temple made without hands.

Yes, all of Heb 6:1-6 compares the service of the OT High Priest in the Temple
with the High Priest of a new covenant.

Now to address the other 2 verses where the word covenant is added when the writer is talking about a better covenant related to the temples, old and new. Without these added words (that are not in the original language, but added by KJV)

Previously addressed. . .you are seriously misinformed.

Evidently you have not read the Greek manuscript,
where the word "covenant" is in the text of Heb 8:6-7,
and has not been "added" by KJV.

they should read as follows.
Let the reader choose what is right, and what is not.

Hebrews 8:7 For if that first had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
Hebrews 8:13 In that he saith , A new, he hath made the first old . Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Let's try that again without leaving out part of the text:

Heb 8:7-8 - "for if the first was faultless, place would not have been sought for a second.
For finding fault, he said to them, 'Behold, days are coming, says the Lord...a new covenant shall be,' "

The word covenant can be used,

"Can be used"?

It is used in the Greek text of Heb 8:7-8.

Indeed! . . ."let the reader choose what is right, and what is not."

but we are talking about the obligations of the priesthood that centered around the temple, and ultimately Christ Jesus, and what He fulfilled.

No, Hebrews is talking about the High Priest of a new covenant.

Talk about "shoe horning" your view into Scripture. . .that is some serious shoe horning.

Hmmmmm. . .

Your intellectual honesty needs a little work.

 

[just-me]

From post #33

Was my comment not Biblical?

Did you just reveal "how my comments apply to the Scripture you quoted" (Heb 9:7-12)?
Hmmmmmm. . .
Yes, all of Heb 6:1-6 compares the service of the OT High Priest in the Temple
with the High Priest of a new covenant.
Previously addressed. . .you are seriously misinformed.
Evidently you have not read the Greek manuscript,
where the word "covenant" is in the text of Heb 8:6-7,
and has not been "added" by KJV.
Let's try that again without leaving out part of the text:
Heb 8:7-8 - "for if the first was faultless, place would not have been sought for a second.
For finding fault, he said to them, 'Behold, days are coming, says the Lord...a new covenant shall be,' "
"Can be used"?
It is used in the Greek text of Heb 8:7-8.
Indeed! . . ."let the reader choose what is right, and what is not."
No, Hebrews is talking about the High Priest of a new covenant.
Talk about "shoe horning" your view into Scripture. . .that is some serious shoe horning.
Hmmmmm. . .
Your intellectual honesty needs a little work.

Does this have faults, needing to be replaced?
Deuteronomy 7:9 Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;

Jesus fulfilled the sacrificial temple blood letting. It appears that our obligation of loving Him is still in effect and only faultless if we do not continue in that love covenant. The above is in the original "old" covenant even though the temple is gone. Call it shoehorning if you want.

Is this decaying,waxing old, and ready to vanish?
Nehemiah 1:5 And said , I beseech thee, O LORD God of heaven, the great and terrible God, that keepeth covenant and mercy for them that love him and observe his commandments:

Does this depict needing a better covenant?
Daniel 9:4 And I prayed unto the LORD my God, and made my confession , and said , O Lord, the great and dreadful God, keeping the covenant and mercy to them that love him, and to them that keep his commandments;

I don't see a difference. Only the physical to the spiritual.
John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

This is the difference from the old to the new
1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
1 Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

Let's look at the menorah placed in the temple in the holy place outside the holy of holies.
Matthew 5:14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid .

Leviticus 2:13 And every oblation of thy meat offering shalt thou season with salt; neither shalt thou suffer the salt of the covenant of thy God to be lacking from thy meat offering: with all thine offerings thou shalt offer salt.

Matthew 5:13 Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour , wherewith shall it be salted ? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.
Mark 9:49 For every one shall be salted with fire, and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt.

We should be careful not to lead people into believing that our obligations toward our Lord are waxing old and ready to vanish away. Then we will also be breaking covenant with Christ Jesus our Lord.

Italicized words in the KJV are added words. The scriptures in Hebrews that I referred to are italicized. The ones who published the KJV admit that.

 

[Elin]

From post #33

Did you just reveal "how my comments apply to the Scripture you quoted" (Heb 9:7-12)?
Hmmmmmm. .

Yes, all of Heb 6:1-6 compares the service of the OT High Priest in the Temple
with the High Priest of a new covenant.

Previously addressed. . .you are seriously misinformed.
Evidently you have not read the Greek manuscript,
where the word "covenant" is in the text of Heb 8:6, 8
and has not been "added" there by KJV.

Let's try that again without leaving out part of the text:
Heb 8:8 - "for if the first was faultless, place would not have been sought for a second.
For finding fault, he said to them, 'Behold, days are coming, says the Lord...a new covenant shall be,' "

"Can be used"?
It is used in the Greek text of Heb 8:6, 8.
Indeed! . . ."let the reader choose what is right, and what is not."

No, Hebrews is talking about the High Priest of a new covenant.
Talk about "shoe horning" your view into Scripture. . .that is some serious shoe horning.
Hmmmmm. . .
Your intellectual honesty needs a little work.

Does this have faults, needing to be replaced?
Deuteronomy 7:9 Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;

Are you setting the Word of God against itself in Dt 7:9 and Heb 8:7, that God sought another covenant because they broke and nullified the old one conditioned on obedience?

Jesus fulfilled the sacrificial temple blood letting. It appears that our obligation of loving Him is still in effect and only faultless if we do not continue in that love covenant. The above is in the original "old" covenant even though the temple is gone. Call it shoehorning if you want.

That original "old" covenant conditioned on obedience to the law was also broken (Jer 11:10)
and nullified by their disobedience (Heb 8:8),
so God said he would make a new covenant, not like the covenant he made with their
forefathers. . .because they did not remain faithful to his covenant (Heb 8:8-9; Jer 31:31-32).

Are you unfamiliar with this revelation spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) through
the NT writers?

Is this decaying,waxing old, and ready to vanish?
Nehemiah 1:5 And said , I beseech thee, O LORD God of heaven, the great and terrible God, that keepeth covenant and mercy for them that love him and observe his commandments:

Are you setting the Word of God against itself in Ne 1:5 and Heb 8:13, that the old covenant is obsolete?

Does this depict needing a better covenant?
Daniel 9:4 And I prayed unto the LORD my God, and made my confession , and said , O Lord, the great and dreadful God,
keeping the covenant and mercy to them that love him, and to them that keep his commandments;

Are you setting the Word of God against itself in Da 9:4 and Heb 8:6, regarding
a superior covenant founded on better promises?

I don't see a difference. Only the physical to the spiritual.

Because your setting of the Word of God against itself means you don't correctly understand the Scriptures.

 

[just-me]

Elin
That's why I speak about the old and new involving the temple and the priesthood only. Our obligations as children of God are defined both in the old and new covenant. Through Christ we have a better promise for sure, and I'm not disputing that, but what I speak has everything to do with the temple and the priesthood that is so much better. God still requires the same obedience from His children in Spirit as stated in the Old Testament. Love is first mentioned as a requirement in the Old Covenant same as the New Covenant.

Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid : yea, we establish the law.

Galatians 3:21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid : for if there had been a law given which could have given life , verily righteousness should have been by the law.

Isaiah 59:21 As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the LORD; My spirit that is upon thee, and my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed's seed, saith the LORD, from henceforth and for ever.

Peter addresses the multitude defining the covenant that God made with there forefathers.
Acts 3:20-25
20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.
22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers , A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.
23 And it shall come to pass , that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.
24 Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken , have likewise foretold of these days.
25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

Deuteronomy 18:15 The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken ;

Genesis 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed ;

The covenant I speak of is as stated above, and was given, starting with Abraham. That has not changed. It was also commemorated with blood, as was the covenant with Israel at Sinai but Israel became disobedience. Nevertheless, the covenant with Abraham and the generations that followed never was disannuled, or waxed old, as Peter declared in the scripture reference I quoted. I call it the plan of salvation that was conceived before the world began. The covenant was for Israel only then, but now it's for the world.

The law is not against grace or faith, but the temple and the priesthood have been changed. The old is gone, and the new is here to stay.

I do not set the Word of God against itself.

Galatians 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

One cannot put new wine into old skins, but old wine can be put into new skins.

 

[just-me]

Yes, Heb 9 is about the tabernacle, while Heb 8:6-7, 13 is about the old covenant.

Hebrews 8:1-5 is about the temple. Did the writer talk about the temple and then change the subject without reason?

Hebrews 8:1-5
1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched , and not man.
3 For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer .
4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:
5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See , saith he , that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.

So in your opinion verses 6 thru 13 have nothing to do with the preemptive 5 that I just quoted?

 

[prove-all]

The new testament of Jesus Christ,

only to his begotten sons, not yet born, who are

joint heirs to his Kingdom, that is to come.

 

[Elin]

The new testament of Jesus Christ,

only to his begotten sons, not yet born, who are

joint heirs to his Kingdom, that is to come.

There is only one begotten Son of God, Jesus Christ.

 

[just-me]

CORRECTION:


I erred when I stated the word "covenant" was not added by the KJV.

The second use of "covenant" is not in the Greek text.

However, as is evident, its addition by the KJV alters absolutely in no way the meaning of the text.

So its addition by the KJV is a red herring in this particular discussion.

Glad you admitted this on another thread.

from post 34

We should be careful not to lead people into believing that our obligations toward our Lord are waxing old and ready to vanish away. Then we will also be breaking covenant with Christ Jesus our Lord.

Italicized words in the KJV are added words. The scriptures in Hebrews that I referred to are italicized. The ones who published the KJV admit that.

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