Trinity?

newbirth · Aug 25, 2014

Re: You dont know scripture...

Nowhere does the scripture say God is triune...it says.....
[SUP]6 [/SUP]But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Howbeit there is not in every man that knowledge: for some with conscience of the idol unto this hour eat it as a thing offered unto an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled.

The scripture says you don't have that knowledge of verse 6.....Until you get it you cannot understand what the scripture is saying.

Bowman · Aug 25, 2014

Re: You dont know scripture...

newbirth said:

Jesus' own baptism declares one NAME for the Father, Son & Spirit.

Triune....in one verse.

Deal with it...

prove-all · Aug 25, 2014

Re: You dont know scripture...

Bowman said:

Why baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

-We are reconciled to God by the death of Jesus Christ (Romans 5:10).

For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son,
much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

-by his goodness the Father brings us to and grants us repentance (Romans 2:4).
Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering;
not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

-After repentance, we are to be baptized. (Acts 2:38).
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ
for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

-It is the Spirit that actually begets us as sons of God (Romans 8:9, 14, 16-17).

But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you.

Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

-the begetting agent that comes from God, the Holy Spirit is the earnest or
down payment, of our salvation (Ephesians 1:14; Romans 8:16).

14Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of
the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

16The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

-We are baptized into the truth by God’s power (Matthew 3:11; John 1:33).

3I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I,
whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

33And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom
thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.

-That Spirit, God’s power, actually dwells in us after baptism (Acts 2:38; 4:8, 31; Ezekiel 36:27).

8Then Peter, filled with the Holy Ghost, said unto them, Ye rulers of the people, and elders of Israel,
27And I will put (my spirit) within you, and (cause you to walk) in (my statutes),
and ye shall (keep my judgments, and do them).

- was given to witness to the world.

8 But ye shall (receive power), after that (the Holy Ghost) is come (upon you):
and ye shall be (witnesses) unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria,
and unto the (uttermost part) of the earth.

newbirth · Aug 25, 2014

Re: You dont know scripture...

Bowman said:

you are just saying things...this is scripture...do you see one God and one Lord and all things....look at vs 7 again...you don't have that knowledge, don't fight it....
[SUP]6 [/SUP]But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Howbeit there is not in every man that knowledge: for some with conscience of the idol unto this hour eat it as a thing offered unto an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled.

Bowman · Aug 25, 2014

Re: You dont know scripture...

newbirth said:

you are just saying things...this is scripture...do you see one God and one Lord and all things....look at vs 7 again...you don't have that knowledge, don't fight it....
[SUP]6 [/SUP]But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Howbeit there is not in every man that knowledge: for some with conscience of the idol unto this hour eat it as a thing offered unto an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled.

Already comprehended by The Trinity.

BlackPlatypus · Aug 25, 2014

directline2iam said:

That would make God a quint-spirit. ;-) Just as those who believe, father, son, holy spirit, refer to three different entities.
Not so.

And it can never be supported by scripture that God is three different beings. That argument would defend polytheism, which is not only contrary to scripture, but distinctly pagan in nature.
When Deuteronomy 6:4 says God is one, that's it.

If it said, Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is three, that would be something other. But it doesn't and so that's the way it is.

newbirth · Aug 25, 2014

Re: You dont know scripture...

Bowman said:

your blanket statement means nothing because there is no trinity in that scripture...one God the father, OF WHOM ARE ALL THINGS.and we in him and one Lord Jesus Christ BY WHOM ARE ALL THINGS and we by him. all of and all by there is no other being How does that add up to a trinity????? the scripture goes on to show that not all people have that knowledge. But you still hold on to your doctrine of man with an answer like...Already comprehended by The Trinity.... the trinity already comprehends it does not exist...it is you who are holding on to straws

Fishbait · Aug 25, 2014

TruthFromFrank said:

"Jesus did not create Himself. He is however, the first creation of God. Anything wrong with my statement?" Yes.

The Bible never records Jesus saying the precise words, “I am God.” That does not mean, however, that He did not proclaim that He is God. Take for example Jesus’ words in John 10:30, “I and the Father are one.” We need only to look at the Jews’ reaction to His statement to know He was claiming to be God. They tried to stone Him for this very reason: “You, a mere man, claim to be God” (John 10:33). The Jews understood exactly what Jesus was claiming—deity. When Jesus declared, “I and the Father are one,” He was saying that He and the Father are of one nature and essence. John 8:58 is another example. Jesus declared, “I tell you the truth … before Abraham was born, I am!” Jews who heard this statement responded by taking up stones to kill Him for blasphemy, as the Mosaic Law commanded (Leviticus 24:16).

John reiterates the concept of Jesus’ deity: “The Word [Jesus] was God” and “the Word became flesh” (John 1:1, 14). These verses clearly indicate that Jesus is God in the flesh. Acts 20:28 tells us, “Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood.” Who bought the church with His own blood? Jesus Christ. And this same verse declares that God purchased His church with His own blood. Therefore, Jesus is God!

Thomas the disciple declared concerning Jesus, “My Lord and my God” (John 20:28). Jesus does not correct him. Titus 2:13 encourages us to wait for the coming of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ (see also 2 Peter 1:1). In Hebrews 1:8, the Father declares of Jesus, “But about the Son he says, ‘Your throne, O God, will last forever and ever, and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom.’” The Father refers to Jesus as “O God,” indicating that Jesus is indeed God.

In Revelation, an angel instructed the apostle John to only worship God (Revelation 19:10). Several times in Scripture Jesus receives worship (Matthew 2:11; 14:33; 28:9, 17; Luke 24:52; John 9:38). He never rebukes people for worshiping Him. If Jesus were not God, He would have told people to not worship Him, just as the angel in Revelation did. There are many other passages of Scripture that argue for Jesus’ deity.

The most important reason that Jesus has to be God is that, if He is not God, His death would not have been sufficient to pay the penalty for the sins of the world (1 John 2:2). A created being, which Jesus would be if He were not God, could not pay the infinite penalty required for sin against an infinite God. Only God could pay such an infinite penalty. Only God could take on the sins of the world (2 Corinthians 5:21), die, and be resurrected, proving His victory over sin and death.

Read more: Is Jesus God? Did Jesus ever claim to be God?

Bowman · Aug 25, 2014

Re: You dont know scripture...

newbirth said:

The Trinity comprehends ALL scripture.

Some verses state that the Father is God....That the Son is God...that The Spirit is God.

Trinitarians don't cherry-pick scriptures like you do.

We use ALL scripture.

Period.

Deal with it as best you can...

BlackPlatypus · Aug 25, 2014

Fishbait said:

In that last statement you're saying God created himself to be Jesus so that he could die and pay the sin penalty he established himself.

Do you realize that?

BlackPlatypus · Aug 25, 2014

TruthFromFrank said:

No one need imply God impregnated Mary. Whom numerous scriptures, in Luke for instance, record as being great with child.
Scripture tells us God impregnated Mary via the angel he sent to cover her so that she beget Jesus. That is scripture.

newbirth · Aug 25, 2014

Re: You dont know scripture...

Bowman said:

you must use all scripture because there is no one scripture to back your claim. You take pieces of scripture here and there then you twist and concoct and arrive at your conclusion. But there is no one scripture saying God is a trinity. However there is scripture saying ...
[SUP]6 [/SUP]But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Howbeit there is not in every man that knowledge:

Bowman · Aug 25, 2014

Re: You dont know scripture...

newbirth said:

Basing an entire theology around one scripture, like you do, is simply poor theology....this is what jews and muslims do.

The Trinity is an epithet encompassing the entire Holy Bible as God has chosen to reveal Himself.

Trinitarians do not ignore scripture like unitarians.

know1 · Aug 25, 2014

Re: There is NO truth....from....frank....

BlackPlatypus said:

You might say something like that.
Can God say that about Himself?

BlackPlatypus · Aug 25, 2014

Re: There is NO truth....from....frank....

know1 said:

Yes. And repeatedly.

BibleEd · Aug 26, 2014

Hi cmkey7127

An excellent question! The best way to get the answer is to look at the bible and see what the bible teaches.

This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.”—John 17:3[FONT=Helvetica Light, Helvetica, Droid Sans, Arial, Arial Unicode MS, sans-serif].[/FONT]

[FONT=Helvetica Light, Helvetica, Droid Sans, Arial, Arial Unicode MS, sans-serif]With this we can see it is very specific by saying "the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ"

[/FONT]“God is only one.”—Galatians 3:20. This is very plain and clear, teaching that God is one.

[FONT=Helvetica Light, Helvetica, Droid Sans, Arial, Arial Unicode MS, sans-serif]So what is the origin? [/FONT]“The impression could arise that the Trinitarian dogma is in the last analysis a late 4th-century invention. In a sense, this is true . . . The formulation ‘one God in three Persons’ was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century.”—New Catholic Encyclopedia(1967), Volume 14, page 299.
“The Council of Nicaea met on May 20, 325 [C.E.]. Constantine himself presided, actively guiding the discussions, and personally proposed . . . the crucial formula expressing the relation of Christ to God in the creed issued by the council, ‘of one substance with the Father.’ . . . Overawed by the emperor, the bishops, with two exceptions only, signed the creed, many of them much against their inclination.”—Encyclopædia Britannica (1970), Volume 6, page 386.

[h=2]What does the Bible say?[/h]“Stephen, filled with the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at God’s right hand. ‘Look! I can see heaven thrown open,’ he said, ‘and the Son of man standing at the right hand of God.’”—Acts 7:55, 56, The New Jerusalem Bible.
What did this vision reveal? Filled with God’s active force, Stephen saw Jesus “standing at God’s right hand.” Clearly, then, Jesus did not become God again after his resurrection to heaven but, rather, a distinct spiritual being. There is no mention of a third person next to God in this account. Despite attempts to find passages of Scripture to support the Trinity dogma, Dominican priest Marie-Émile Boismard wrote in his book À l’aube du christianisme—La naissance des dogmes(At the Dawn of Christianity—The Birth of Dogmas): “The statement that there are three persons in the one God . . . cannot be read anywhere in the New Testament.”

I hope this helped, if you have anymore questions please feel free to inbox me!

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Bowman · Aug 26, 2014

Wake up...

BibleEd said:

What does the Bible say?

“Stephen, filled with the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at God’s right hand. ‘Look! I can see heaven thrown open,’ he said, ‘and the Son of man standing at the right hand of God.’”—Acts 7:55, 56, The New Jerusalem Bible.
What did this vision reveal? Filled with God’s active force, Stephen saw Jesus “standing at God’s right hand.” Clearly, then, Jesus did not become God again after his resurrection to heaven but, rather, a distinct spiritual being. There is no mention of a third person next to God in this account. Despite attempts to find passages of Scripture to support the Trinity dogma, Dominican priest Marie-Émile Boismard wrote in his book À l’aube du christianisme—La naissance des dogmes(At the Dawn of Christianity—The Birth of Dogmas): “The statement that there are three persons in the one God . . . cannot be read anywhere in the New Testament.”

I hope this helped, if you have anymore questions please feel free to inbox me!

How can you miss it?!

Your very own example declares Father, Son, Spirit.

ELECT · Aug 26, 2014

Re: Wake up...

Bowman said:

how many persons sit on the throne in Heaven one or three ?

Bowman · Aug 26, 2014

Re: Wake up...

ELECT said:

The Trinity occupies the One Throne, and is worshipped there as the One God.

The Righteous also occupy the One Throne of God.

ELECT · Aug 26, 2014

Re: Wake up...

Bowman said:

Could you explain this thanks

Acts 7:55King James Version (KJV)

55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,

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