Grace and Law are married....

[Scuba]

Grace is not the absence of Law, it's the absence of punishment. Grace moves us to obedience to the Law. Let me put it this way. You get stopped by the police for driving 75mph in a 25mph zone. You are about to get a $500.00 ticket but instead the police officer gives you a break. That break is called grace. Did the grace of the police officer remove the speed limit sign? No way! Does the grace of the police officer make you speed off spinning your wheels in the process? No way! You drive off nice and slow looking both ways and using your turn signal.

Shall we continue to speed because we are under grace?

Romans 6:15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not!

The grace of the police officer teaches us to obey the speed limit.

Titus 2:11-14 For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age, looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from every lawless deed and purify for Himself His own special people, zealous for good works.

The grace of the police officer produced a special law abiding citizen zealous to obey the Law.

 

[Scuba]

If the Law was done away with at the cross then there is no need for grace. If there is a need for grace then that means the Law is alive and well. As long as grace is alive the Law lives. God's grace keeps us alive in spite of our short falls in regard to the Law.

Romans 5:20-21 Moreover the law entered that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more, so that as sin reigned in death, even so grace might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Romans 6:1-2 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? Certainly not!

Grace and Law are happily married...

 

[Joidevivre]

Scuba - when I saw your profile picture, I just had to post my picture here.

 

[Scuba]

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Scuba - when I saw your profile picture, I just had to post my picture here.

Nice!

My profile picture is my picture of God's people growing. No matter what stage we are in our growth, whether we have two leaves with no visible fruit or twenty leaves with much fruit, we are perfect in God's eyes. Because it's not about how many leaves you have, but rather, are you growing. My signature also portrays my profile picture.

 

[Elin]

Grace is not the absence of Law, it's the absence of punishment. Grace moves us to obedience to the Law. Let me put it this way. You get stopped by the police for driving 75mph in a 25mph zone. You are about to get a $500.00 ticket but instead the police officer gives you a break. That break is called grace. Did the grace of the police officer remove the speed limit sign? No way! Does the grace of the police officer make you speed off spinning your wheels in the process? No way! You drive off nice and slow looking both ways and using your turn signal.

Shall we continue to speed because we are under grace?

Romans 6:15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not!

The grace of the police officer teaches us to obey the speed limit.

Titus 2:11-14 For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age, looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from every lawless deed and purify for Himself His own special people, zealous for good works.

The grace of the police officer produced a special law abiding citizen zealous to obey the Law.

So it is the grace of faith that produces obedience.

Obedience doesn't produce the grace of faith.

 

[p_rehbein]

[h=1]Romans
10[/h]
1 .) Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.
2 .) For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
3 .) For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
4 .) For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

 

[crossnote]

Grace is not the absence of Law, it's the absence of punishment. Grace moves us to obedience to the Law. Let me put it this way. You get stopped by the police for driving 75mph in a 25mph zone. You are about to get a $500.00 ticket but instead the police officer gives you a break. That break is called grace. Did the grace of the police officer remove the speed limit sign? No way! Does the grace of the police officer make you speed off spinning your wheels in the process? No way! You drive off nice and slow looking both ways and using your turn signal.

Shall we continue to speed because we are under grace?

Romans 6:15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not!

The grace of the police officer teaches us to obey the speed limit.

Titus 2:11-14 For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age, looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from every lawless deed and purify for Himself His own special people, zealous for good works.

The grace of the police officer produced a special law abiding citizen zealous to obey the Law.

You illustratedbwhat mercy is...not grace.
Grace is getting what you don't deserve...blessings.
Mercy is not getting what you do desrve..punishment.

 

[Zmouth]

Grace is not the absence of Law, it's the absence of punishment. Grace moves us to obedience to the Law. Let me put it this way. You get stopped by the police for driving 75mph in a 25mph zone. You are about to get a $500.00 ticket but instead the police officer gives you a break. That break is called grace. Did the grace of the police officer remove the speed limit sign? No way! Does the grace of the police officer make you speed off spinning your wheels in the process? No way! You drive off nice and slow looking both ways and using your turn signal.

Shall we continue to speed because we are under grace?

Romans 6:15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not!

The grace of the police officer teaches us to obey the speed limit.

Titus 2:11-14 For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age, looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from every lawless deed and purify for Himself His own special people, zealous for good works.

The grace of the police officer produced a special law abiding citizen zealous to obey the Law.

That is an excellent analogy, in that the speed limit was not given to condemn us, but rather make our lives safer and better, or rather more abundant.

 

[p_rehbein]

That is an excellent analogy, in that the speed limit was not given to condemn us, but rather make our lives safer and better, or rather more abundant.

Except now that GRACE has come, we are no longer under that speed limit..........sigh

 

[p_rehbein]

[h=1]Romans
8[/h]
1 .) There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 .) For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 .) For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 .) That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 .) For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 .) For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 .) Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 .) So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 .) But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 .) And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 .) But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 .) Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 .) For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 .) For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 .) For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

 

[crossnote]

That is an excellent analogy, in that the speed limit was not given to condemn us, but rather make our lives safer and better, or rather more abundant.

Yeah the speed limit is within us.
I remember learning to drive I looked for every posted sign,
but after time you just 'knew' how fast was too fast.

 

[Scuba]

That is an excellent analogy, in that the speed limit was not given to condemn us, but rather make our lives safer and better, or rather more abundant.

Except now that GRACE has come, we are no longer under that speed limit..........sigh

Really!

The Law establishes the punishment for the sin. The punishment came through the Law, the speed limit sign came through creation. Read this and you will understand what it means to be under the Law's condemnation and how in Jesus the condemnation is removed but not the speed limit sign. The speed limit sign is a part of creation itself. It's built within us as the image of God.

John 8:2-11 Now early in the morning He came again into the temple, and all the people came to Him; and He sat down and taught them. Then the scribes and Pharisees brought to Him a woman caught in adultery. And when they had set her in the midst, they said to Him, “Teacher, this woman was caught in adultery, in the very act. Now Moses, in the law, commanded us that such should be stoned. But what do You say?” This they said, testing Him, that they might have something of which to accuse Him. But Jesus stooped down and wrote on the ground with His finger, as though He did not hear. So when they continued asking Him, He raised Himself up and said to them, “He who is without sin among you, let him throw a stone at her first.” And again He stooped down and wrote on the ground. Then those who heard it, being convicted by their conscience,went out one by one, beginning with the oldest even to the last. And Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. When Jesus had raised Himself up and saw no one but the woman, He said to her, “Woman, where are those accusers of yours? Has no one condemned you?” She said, “No one, Lord.” And Jesus said to her, “Neither do I condemn you; go and sin no more.”

The Law says she should be stoned for speeding but Jesus says no to the stoning be He also says, "Go and speed no more".

 

[thecreationtutor]

Do we have a lot of time on our hands?

Do you have a church that you are accountable too, and your teaching at?

Do you do anything practical with this besides post on here where you don't have to live around or deal with people who don't agree with you?

 

[Elin]

Really!

The Law establishes the punishment for the sin. The punishment came through the Law, the speed limit sign came through creation. Read this and you will understand what it means to be under the Law's condemnation and how in Jesus the condemnation is removed but not the speed limit sign. The speed limit sign is a part of creation itself. It's built within us as the image of God.

John 8:2-11 Now early in the morning He came again into the temple, and all the people came to Him; and He sat down and taught them. Then the scribes and Pharisees brought to Him a woman caught in adultery. And when they had set her in the midst, they said to Him, “Teacher, this woman was caught in adultery, in the very act. Now Moses, in the law, commanded us that such should be stoned. But what do You say?” This they said, testing Him, that they might have something of which to accuse Him. But Jesus stooped down and wrote on the ground with His finger, as though He did not hear. So when they continued asking Him, He raised Himself up and said to them, “He who is without sin among you, let him throw a stone at her first.” And again He stooped down and wrote on the ground. Then those who heard it, being convicted by their conscience,went out one by one, beginning with the oldest even to the last. And Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. When Jesus had raised Himself up and saw no one but the woman, He said to her, “Woman, where are those accusers of yours? Has no one condemned you?” She said, “No one, Lord.” And Jesus said to her, “Neither do I condemn you; go and sin no more.”

The Law says she should be stoned

Actually, it did not.

Stoning was for a betrothed virgin only.
Stoning required two witnesses.
Stoning required that both be stoned together.

The law's requirements for stoning were not met, and she could not be legally stoned.

for speeding but Jesus says no to the stoning be He also says, "Go and speed no more".

Jesus said no to the stoning because it would have been illegal to stone her.

Jesus was under the old covenant law, as were the people to whom he was speaking.
Jesus obeyed the law in this matter.

 

[chubbena]

Actually, it did not.

Stoning was for a betrothed virgin only.
Stoning required two witnesses.
Stoning required that both be stoned together.

The law's requirements for stoning were not met, and she could not be legally stoned.

Jesus said no to the stoning because it would have been illegal to stone her.

Jesus was under the old covenant law, as were the people to whom he was speaking.
Jesus obeyed the law in this matter.

Sounded good but didn't explain what He said last "Neither do I condemn you; go and sin no more."
God does not need witnesses other than His commandments.

 

[watcher2013]

Grace is not the absence of Law, it's the absence of punishment. Grace moves us to obedience to the Law. Let me put it this way. You get stopped by the police for driving 75mph in a 25mph zone. You are about to get a $500.00 ticket but instead the police officer gives you a break. That break is called grace. Did the grace of the police officer remove the speed limit sign? No way! Does the grace of the police officer make you speed off spinning your wheels in the process? No way! You drive off nice and slow looking both ways and using your turn signal.

Shall we continue to speed because we are under grace?

Romans 6:15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not!

The grace of the police officer teaches us to obey the speed limit.

Titus 2:11-14 For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age, looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from every lawless deed and purify for Himself His own special people, zealous for good works.

The grace of the police officer produced a special law abiding citizen zealous to obey the Law.

Would the driver get caught If he was driving on an 85mph zone...or in an F1 Race?

 

[BlackPlatypus]

[h=3]1 John 3:4 Everyone who makes a practice of sinning also practices lawlessness; sin is lawlessness. [/h]

 

[john832]

Yeah the speed limit is within us.
I remember learning to drive I looked for every posted sign,
but after time you just 'knew' how fast was too fast.

Jer 10:23 O LORD, I know the way of man is not in himself; It is not in man who walks to direct his own steps.

Pro 14:12 There is a way that seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death.

 

[CRC]

(Luke 18:9-14) 9 But he spoke this illustration also to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous and who considered the rest as nothing: 10 “Two men went up into the temple to pray, the one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee stood and began to pray these things to himself, ‘O God, I thank you I am not as the rest of men, extortioners, unrighteous, adulterers, or even as this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week, I give the tenth of all things I acquire.’ 13 But the tax collector standing at a distance was not willing even to raise his eyes heavenward, but kept beating his breast, saying, ‘O God, be gracious to me a sinner.’ 14 I tell YOU, This man went down to his home proved more righteous than that man; because everyone that exalts himself will be humiliated, but he that humbles himself will be exalted.”

 

[Scuba]

Actually, it did not.

Stoning was for a betrothed virgin only.
Stoning required two witnesses.
Stoning required that both be stoned together.

The law's requirements for stoning were not met, and she could not be legally stoned.

Jesus said no to the stoning because it would have been illegal to stone her.

Jesus was under the old covenant law, as were the people to whom he was speaking.
Jesus obeyed the law in this matter.

The teachings of Jesus established the principles of the new covenant.