Grace and Law are married....

[BlackPlatypus]

Jesus was under the old covenant law, as were the people to whom he was speaking.
Jesus obeyed the law in this matter.

Jesus was the one who gave the old covenant law unto Moses.
Jesus taught by his own example. Jesus didn't stop the men from stoning the Magdalene for adultery because it was against the law. Jesus stopped the men from stoning the Magdalene for the very reason he said; let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

Jesus was showing those men that while they thought to prosecute the OT law of Moses, they themselves were not pure. Therefore, they were not entitled to stone someone for their sins when they themselves were guilty of sins. As the men recognized of themselves because they then dropped their rocks and departed.
And Jesus, telling Mary to go and sin no more, was showing mercy, forgiveness, repentance and salvation, at his hand, by his decree to her.

Just as was his mission on earth accomplished during his walk on this earth and ultimately upon the cross.

Jesus demonstrated himself to be the word of the new covenant by uttering his challenge to those men who thought to enforce the tenets of the old against the Magdalene.

 

[Elin]

Do we have a lot of time on our hands?

Do you have a church that you are accountable too, and your teaching at?

Do you do anything practical with this besides post on here where you don't have to live around or deal with people who don't agree with you?

And yourself?

 

[chubbena]

Yeah the speed limit is within us.
I remember learning to drive I looked for every posted sign,
but after time you just 'knew' how fast was too fast.

There are unfamiliar roads one travels everyday.
Not all offenders break the law on purpose. Some just missed the signs. Even experienced ones.
Not all drivers just "know" how fast is too fast. That's the heart of the matter. Here at CC many like to challenge the other drivers who have as much privilege to be on the road:
Where did you get your driver's license?
Do you even have a driver's license?
If you have a driver's license why do you have to read the signs?

If one thinks it's foolish to keep the signs try put the best experienced drivers on the road in the city with all road signs removed for an hour and see what we get.

 

[achduke]

John 1:16-17 16 Out of his fullness we have all received grace in place of grace already given. 17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

So Jesus broght the Grace and The Truth. But what is Truth?

Psalm 119:142 142Your righteousness is everlasting and your law is true.

John 17:17 17Sanctify them by[SUP]d[/SUP] the truth; your word is truth.

Paul says the word is near you it is in your Mouth and in your heart? Where else do we hear and see that?

Romans 10:8 8But what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,” that is, the message concerning faith that we proclaim:

Deuteronomy 30:14-16 14No, the word is very near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart so you may obey it. 15See, I set before you today life and prosperity, death and destruction. 16For I command you today to love the Lord your God, to walk in obedience to him, and to keep his commands, decrees and laws; then you will live and increase, and the Lord your God will bless you in the land you are entering to possess.

Paul is quoting right out of the old covenant!

 

[BlackPlatypus]

That's what I said.

That is not why he stopped them, that is how he stopped them,
taking the opportunity to point out their own sin
which is what I think he was writing in the sand,
which is why they left one by one as each one saw
each new writing in the sand.

Jesus was showing those men that while they thought to prosecute the OT law of Moses, they themselves were not pure. Therefore, they were not entitled to stone someone for their sins when they themselves were guilty of sins. As the men recognized of themselves because they then dropped their rocks and departed.
And Jesus, telling Mary to go and sin no more, was showing mercy, forgiveness, repentance and salvation, at his hand, by his decree to her.

Just as was his mission on earth accomplished during his walk on this earth and ultimately upon the cross.

Jesus demonstrated himself to be the word of the new covenant by uttering his challenge to those men who thought to enforce the tenets of the old against the Magdalene.

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[crossnote]

Jer 10:23 O LORD, I know the way of man is not in himself; It is not in man who walks to direct his own steps.

Pro 14:12 There is a way that seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death.

I'm speaking of christians who have the Holy Spirit...God's nature written on their hearts.

 

[Elin]

Jesus was under the old covenant law, as were the people to whom he was speaking.
Jesus obeyed the law in this matter.

Jesus was the one who gave the old covenant law unto Moses.
Jesus taught by his own example.
Jesus didn't stop the men from stoning the Magdalene for adultery because it was against the law.

First of all, stoning in that situation was against the law, and
secondly, they did not bring her to Jesus to be stoned,
they brought her to Jesus to trap him.

Jesus stopped the men from stoning the Magdalene for the very reason he said; let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

Jesus didn't "stop" them, they came to trap him, not stone her.
(And if they came to stone her, they screwed up, because the legal requirements for stoning were not met, and Jesus could not have allowed it anyway.)

Instead, Jesus trapped them by turning the tables on them and showing them their own sin,
which is what I think he was writing in the sand,
which is why they left one by one as each one saw
each new writing in the sand.

Jesus was showing those men that while they thought to prosecute the OT law of Moses, they themselves were not pure. Therefore,
they were not entitled to stone someone for their sins when they themselves were guilty of sins.

All legal stonings in the OT were performed by those guilty of sin.
No one is sinless.

Sinlessness was not required for stoners.

As the men recognized of themselves because they then dropped their rocks and departed.
And Jesus, telling Mary to go and sin no more, was showing mercy, forgiveness, repentance and salvation, at his hand, by his decree to her.

Yes, Jesus not only turned the tables on those who were trying to trap him, trapping them instead,
but he also ministered to Mary as well.

 

[crossnote]

There are unfamiliar roads one travels everyday.
Not all offenders break the law on purpose. Some just missed the signs. Even experienced ones.
Not all drivers just "know" how fast is too fast. That's the heart of the matter. Here at CC many like to challenge the other drivers who have as much privilege to be on the road:
Where did you get your driver's license?
Do you even have a driver's license?
If you have a driver's license why do you have to read the signs?

If one thinks it's foolish to keep the signs try put the best experienced drivers on the road in the city with all road signs removed for an hour and see what we get.

My post had to do with speed signs as was the context of what I was referring to. An experienced driver has a 'feel' for the road and conditions around him so he is not constantly looking at speed signs.
So the Christian has God's law/moral nature written on his heart so he is not having to constantly read the 10 Commandments.
I have a Ca. license class A, haz mat endorsements, triples, and a motorcycle endorsement.

 

[Elin]

John 1:16-17 16 Out of his fullness we have all received grace in place of grace already given. 17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

So Jesus broght the Grace and The Truth. But what is Truth?

Psalm 119:142 142Your righteousness is everlasting and your law is true.

John 17:17 17Sanctify them by[SUP]d[/SUP] the truth; your word is truth.

Paul says the word is near you it is in your Mouth and in your heart? Where else do we hear and see that?

Romans 10:8 8But what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,” that is, the message concerning faith that we proclaim:

Deuteronomy 30:14-16 14No, the word is very near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart so you may obey it. 15See, I set before you today life and prosperity, death and destruction. 16For I command you today to love the Lord your God, to walk in obedience to him, and to keep his commands, decrees and laws; then you will live and increase, and the Lord your God will bless you in the land you are entering to possess.

Paul is quoting right out of the old covenant!

Yeah. . .he did a lot of that to show them that faith in the NT of Jesus Christ
was the same faith as in the OT.

 

[Scuba]

My post had to do with speed signs as was the context of what I was referring to. An experienced driver has a 'feel' for the road and conditions around him so he is not constantly looking at speed signs.
So the Christian has God's law/moral nature written on his heart so he is not having to constantly read the 10 Commandments.
I have a Ca. license class A, haz mat endorsements, triples, and a motorcycle endorsement.

I used to tell my wife that speed limit signs are for those who don't know how to drive. She would get mad at me every time I said that. Do you think my statement is true or false? Do you think the police officer who stopped me a speeding would receive my statement and let me go?

 

[Elin]

That is not why he stopped them, that is how he stopped them,
taking the opportunity to point out their own sin
which is what I think he was writing in the sand,
which is why they left one by one as each one saw
each new writing in the sand.

That's what I said.

The link on my post does not link back to anything.
This link is my post in response to yours.

 

[crossnote]

I used to tell my wife that speed limit signs are for those who don't know how to drive. She would get mad at me every time I said that. Do you think my statement is true or false? Do you think the police officer who stopped me a speeding would receive my statement and let me go?

If you got a ticket for speeding, then I guess you would be one who doesn't know how to drive, was learning to drive or you were too anxious to get to where you were going.

 

[BlackPlatypus]

The link on my post does not link back to anything.
This link is my post in response to yours.

Um, yes I know that. I also didn't say anything about a link in your post. There is no link in your post and to which I replied.

 

[Scuba]

If you got a ticket for speeding, then I guess you would be one who doesn't know how to drive, was learning to drive or you were too anxious to get to where you were going.

Learning to drive means learning the law of the road such as keeping to the right, no crossing over a solid yellow line and so on. Law's are made to help us be safe, not condemn us.

 

[crossnote]

Learning to drive means learning the law of the road such as keeping to the right, no crossing over a solid yellow line and so on. Law's are made to help us be safe, not condemn us.

Geesh, my point is once you have learned to drive you don't have the driver's manual going through your head...it is second nature.
Sort of like...

Galatians 3:24-26 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

At least that's how it is with 'born again drivers'.

 

[vic1980]

1 Corinthias 15:10 But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.

Paul teaches something here.


but I laboured more abundantly than they all:

yet not I , but the grace of God which was with me.

 

[Elin]

That is not why he stopped them, that is how he stopped them,
taking the opportunity to point out their own sin
which is what I think he was writing in the sand,
which is why they left one by one as each one saw
each new writing in the sand.

That's what I said.

The link on my post in the quote immediately above links back to the wrong post.

This link is my post in response to yours.

Um, yes I know that. I also didn't say anything about a link in your post.
There is no link in your post and to which I replied.

Not sure what you mean, but I use links to review posts.

 

[Scuba]

Geesh, my point is once you have learned to drive you don't have the driver's manual going through your head...it is second nature.
Sort of like...

Galatians 3:24-26 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

At least that's how it is with 'born again drivers'.

Once you learn to keep to the right you have to keep to the right. At least that's what is like for drivers who are led by the Spirit.

 

[prove-all]

And yourself?

Refusing to answer what is asked often means deception.

 

[crossnote]

Refusing to answer what is asked often means deception.

Jesus answered questions with questions all the time.