Grace and Law are married....
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yes you are right Jesus did,
i was asked a question, a personal question i did not even see,
and because i did not answer her she degraded me by saying,
"Refusing to answer what is asked often means deception."
and went on about me being decieving, even after i answered.
so i was wrong when i but her words back on her.
i do apolagize about stooping to others level, it should not be this way.
and i feel no uplifting about arguing about law and covents ,
that our God gave to us.
i was asked a question, a personal question i did not even see,
and because i did not answer her she degraded me by saying,
"Refusing to answer what is asked often means deception."
and went on about me being decieving, even after i answered.
so i was wrong when i but her words back on her.
i do apolagize about stooping to others level, it should not be this way.
and i feel no uplifting about arguing about law and covents ,
that our God gave to us.
Do you think that by these verses we can conclude that Paul was against what he said in Rom_3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
There was great controversy about what Paul told us about law in the first century, and there still is. I seems to me Paul was reporting on God's voice, and God gave law. I don't see how God, who gave us the law and said it was for our benefit would have Paul say it now wasn't because of His Son.
There was great controversy about what Paul told us about law in the first century, and there still is. I seems to me Paul was reporting on God's voice, and God gave law. I don't see how God, who gave us the law and said it was for our benefit would have Paul say it now wasn't because of His Son.
Thank you for that dearly beloved, short, simple and well said about 'unmerited favor'.
To put a side one's punishment, in order to give room for improvement, in his or her theoretical knowledge about safe driving, observing all directional signs, keep to the speed limits, stay awake and be alert and know what to do during emergency and etc. To put them all to perfect in practical day by day, from learner driver to experience driver and furthermore he or she shall not confuse nor harm other drivers, driving in the same knowledge and on the same road.
Then surely, there will be break for the Law and justice is served, just and fair to everybody no matter towards the poor or rich alike.
New Testament theoretical Spiritual knowledge have been given to all new believers to learn, by the Help of a Teacher the HOLY SPIRIT. And then to put them all into practical on that 'narrow road', meantime receive correction and chastisement from the Law, so as to wise up and perfect them by moving on ahead.
For it is written to every believer who believe and ought to live, guided by the especially New Covenant that;
"All Scripture are inspired/breathed out by GOD and profitable for Teaching, Rebuking Error, Correcting Faults and Training One in Righteousness, so that a man of GOD will be fully equipped and fully trained to do all kind of Good Deeds."
So, without a single directional Law to 'abide' and 'practice' from them and develop to an attitude change, then how can citizens or foreigners unite together in safe driving. This applies to Christian and their divided churches and those in this forum.
To put a side one's punishment, in order to give room for improvement, in his or her theoretical knowledge about safe driving, observing all directional signs, keep to the speed limits, stay awake and be alert and know what to do during emergency and etc. To put them all to perfect in practical day by day, from learner driver to experience driver and furthermore he or she shall not confuse nor harm other drivers, driving in the same knowledge and on the same road.
Then surely, there will be break for the Law and justice is served, just and fair to everybody no matter towards the poor or rich alike.
New Testament theoretical Spiritual knowledge have been given to all new believers to learn, by the Help of a Teacher the HOLY SPIRIT. And then to put them all into practical on that 'narrow road', meantime receive correction and chastisement from the Law, so as to wise up and perfect them by moving on ahead.
For it is written to every believer who believe and ought to live, guided by the especially New Covenant that;
"All Scripture are inspired/breathed out by GOD and profitable for Teaching, Rebuking Error, Correcting Faults and Training One in Righteousness, so that a man of GOD will be fully equipped and fully trained to do all kind of Good Deeds."
So, without a single directional Law to 'abide' and 'practice' from them and develop to an attitude change, then how can citizens or foreigners unite together in safe driving. This applies to Christian and their divided churches and those in this forum.
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To me they are not married but coexist. The one is useless without the other one. If my wife dies I can continue and remarry. I will be sad but I can continue.
If you think of the speed limit example, what use is a speed limit without motor vehicles? Without the law sin would not be identifiable but we need grace because we cannot keep the law.
If you think of the speed limit example, what use is a speed limit without motor vehicles? Without the law sin would not be identifiable but we need grace because we cannot keep the law.
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The law was not abolished. It was fulfilled at the cross.
That's not the New Covenant, the law was in the Old Covenant package. It is obselete. Hebrews says that we live by faith with our new high priest who has forever perfected us rather than living under an obsolete law that was part of an old legislation.
The law still exists in a sense that it is a demonstration of perfection, but it is no longer what we strive for, it is no longer relevant to our lives other than in a sense that it is Christ in us who writes these things in our hearts so that we reflect God in our person.
That's not the New Covenant, the law was in the Old Covenant package. It is obselete. Hebrews says that we live by faith with our new high priest who has forever perfected us rather than living under an obsolete law that was part of an old legislation.
The law still exists in a sense that it is a demonstration of perfection, but it is no longer what we strive for, it is no longer relevant to our lives other than in a sense that it is Christ in us who writes these things in our hearts so that we reflect God in our person.
We all read the same scripture, and we all in Christ have the holy spirit to help us read it. One side says that Christ said to get rid of the old, the other says that Christ said not to get rid of the old but He made the same principles better. You say dump the whole thing!! Usually, it is based on the idea that Paul told us to do that. Others say that Paul said no such thing. The people who lived in Paul's time thought the lifestyle of the Jews was very strange and they wanted no part of it. People who actually cut on new born babies!! they said, but they wanted Christ. Paul said you can have Christ and still not cut your babies, that circumcision isn't done because skin is cut but it is an attitude of knowing God as most important. You guys are saying that Paul is teaching to throw out all of the Father taught about living in order to have Christ. I don't think that is right at all.
There is only controversy for those who refuse to believe Paul on the Law. The law is for our benefit in revealing our sin. But it fails in this area...
Romans 7:7-13 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Absolutely not! Certainly, I would not have known sin except through the law. For indeed I would not have known what it means to desire something belonging to someone else if the law had not said, “Do not covet.”
But sin, seizing the opportunity through the commandment, produced in me all kinds of wrong desires. For apart from the law, sin is dead.
And I was once alive apart from the law, but with the coming of the commandment sin became alive
and I died. So I found that the very commandment that was intended to bring life brought death!
For sin, seizing the opportunity through the commandment, deceived me and through it I died.
So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous, and good.
Did that which is good, then, become death to me? Absolutely not! But sin, so that it would be shown to be sin, produced death in me through what is good, so that through the commandment sin would become utterly sinful.
Disprove what Paul just said and then maybe your case for the Law will have a leg to stand on.
Romans 7:7-13 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Absolutely not! Certainly, I would not have known sin except through the law. For indeed I would not have known what it means to desire something belonging to someone else if the law had not said, “Do not covet.”
But sin, seizing the opportunity through the commandment, produced in me all kinds of wrong desires. For apart from the law, sin is dead.
And I was once alive apart from the law, but with the coming of the commandment sin became alive
and I died. So I found that the very commandment that was intended to bring life brought death!
For sin, seizing the opportunity through the commandment, deceived me and through it I died.
So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous, and good.
Did that which is good, then, become death to me? Absolutely not! But sin, so that it would be shown to be sin, produced death in me through what is good, so that through the commandment sin would become utterly sinful.
Disprove what Paul just said and then maybe your case for the Law will have a leg to stand on.
Can I ask you a question; do you believe God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow? If you do you are sitting with a conundrum as God is now changing from Genesis 1 to Revelation 22... Just wondering 
OK Take grace/mercy/law.
They all meet at Calvary in the Sacrificial Lamb of God.
Christ's was offered for our sins (Mercy) a Lamb without blemish (blameless under the Law),
Through His blood and faith in Him, we receive forgiveness, new life, His Spirit, eternal life...etc (Grace)
That's where they are married.
They all meet at Calvary in the Sacrificial Lamb of God.
Christ's was offered for our sins (Mercy) a Lamb without blemish (blameless under the Law),
Through His blood and faith in Him, we receive forgiveness, new life, His Spirit, eternal life...etc (Grace)
That's where they are married.
The question had nothing to do with the matter at hand, therefore, her question indicates an ulterior motive. He doesn't need to succumb to her request and furthermore discuss something personal since it had nothing to do with the topic. He is in his full right not to answer her question and let alone discuss it in private. The question was totally irrelevant and out of place, indication of an ulterior motive.