David Icke: ISIS is set up to create WWIII
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Brother, I suggest you to read topic 911. You will get an idea.
I use to believe Bin Ladin is behind 911.
After listen to analysis upon analysis by a lot of expert I convince that it is impossible Bin Ladin able to do such thing.
1. How Jet fuel able to melt steel structure? Professor from washington university :
a. melting point of typical building structure is 2750 F
b. maximum heat produce by jet fuel is 1517 F
2. This professor take a sample and doing analysis in his lab, find out there is a nano thermite substance. it only 2 lab able to produce it. CIA and Mossad.
From this fact alone, I convince the big brother behind this even.
I am going to re quote part of Jesuit oath so you know that some where in the world there is big, rich and powerful institution tray to take over the world and do what ever it take to achieve the goal.
quote:
Superior:
My son, heretofore you have been taught to act the dissembler: among Roman Catholics to be a Roman Catholic, and to be a spy even among your own brethren; to believe no man, to trust no man. Among the Reformers, to be a reformer; among the Huguenots, to be a Huguenot; among the Calvinists, to be a Calvinist; among other Protestants, generally to be a Protestant, and obtaining their confidence, to seek even to preach from their pulpits, and to denounce with all the vehemence in your nature our Holy Religion and the Pope; and even to descend so low as to become a Jew among Jews, that you might be enabled to gather together all information for the benefit of your Order as a faithful soldier of the Pope.
You have been taught to insidiously plant the seeds of jealousy and hatred between communities, provinces, states that were at peace, and incite them to deeds of blood, involving them in war with each other, and to create revolutions and civil wars in countries that were independent and prosperous, cultivating the arts and the sciences and enjoying the blessings of peace. To take sides with the combatants and to act secretly with your brother Jesuit, who might be engaged on the other side, but openly opposed to that with which you might be connected, only that the Church might be the gainer in the end, in the conditions fixed in the treaties for peace and that the end justifies the means.
end quote
End justifies the means.
Do what ever it take, include create chaos, terrorist, killing etc to make the whole world under the authority of Pope.
I use to believe Bin Ladin is behind 911.
After listen to analysis upon analysis by a lot of expert I convince that it is impossible Bin Ladin able to do such thing.
1. How Jet fuel able to melt steel structure? Professor from washington university :
a. melting point of typical building structure is 2750 F
b. maximum heat produce by jet fuel is 1517 F
2. This professor take a sample and doing analysis in his lab, find out there is a nano thermite substance. it only 2 lab able to produce it. CIA and Mossad.
From this fact alone, I convince the big brother behind this even.
I am going to re quote part of Jesuit oath so you know that some where in the world there is big, rich and powerful institution tray to take over the world and do what ever it take to achieve the goal.
quote:
Superior:
My son, heretofore you have been taught to act the dissembler: among Roman Catholics to be a Roman Catholic, and to be a spy even among your own brethren; to believe no man, to trust no man. Among the Reformers, to be a reformer; among the Huguenots, to be a Huguenot; among the Calvinists, to be a Calvinist; among other Protestants, generally to be a Protestant, and obtaining their confidence, to seek even to preach from their pulpits, and to denounce with all the vehemence in your nature our Holy Religion and the Pope; and even to descend so low as to become a Jew among Jews, that you might be enabled to gather together all information for the benefit of your Order as a faithful soldier of the Pope.
You have been taught to insidiously plant the seeds of jealousy and hatred between communities, provinces, states that were at peace, and incite them to deeds of blood, involving them in war with each other, and to create revolutions and civil wars in countries that were independent and prosperous, cultivating the arts and the sciences and enjoying the blessings of peace. To take sides with the combatants and to act secretly with your brother Jesuit, who might be engaged on the other side, but openly opposed to that with which you might be connected, only that the Church might be the gainer in the end, in the conditions fixed in the treaties for peace and that the end justifies the means.
end quote
End justifies the means.
Do what ever it take, include create chaos, terrorist, killing etc to make the whole world under the authority of Pope.
Brother Thomas.
I understand as a catholic you defend you religion.
1. you said it is not Jesuit oath.
2. 1517 enough to weaken building structure.
From 1. If it is not Jesuit oath than it is no reason to said Jesuit behind 911
From 2. I assume you going to said there isn't conspiracy in 911.
Brother is you choice to choose which one is honest.
I think I give you a lot of link in the past to prove it is Jesuit oath.
the catholic doctrine as a whole, teach that Pope is represent King of king on earth.
Alberto Rivera for a long time said for that purpose, to legitimate that Pope is real represent Jesus, Vatican want Jerusalem.
back then no body believe and not even a clue,
Now after Alberto die, I google watican wants Jerusalem look at what I found almost a million article.
I can go on and on to prove it it will more than 10 pages. And if you want honest answered, you can google it.
How you explain building 7.
How you prove 1517 weaken building structure
How you prove it is 1517 F while literature said if it is 1517 F there will be blue flame.
As far as I know it was black smoke, mean not in maximum heat.
Only enough fuel to burn 2 level, why the melt steel rich bottom of the building.
How you answered why the professor find a nano thermite in the debris?
I understand as catholic you tray to cover up the fact to protect the catholic name.
but my suggestion is you better in God side than side to catholic, they not love you, they are a liar.
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I understand as a catholic you defend you religion.
1. you said it is not Jesuit oath.
2. 1517 enough to weaken building structure.
From 1. If it is not Jesuit oath than it is no reason to said Jesuit behind 911
From 2. I assume you going to said there isn't conspiracy in 911.
Brother is you choice to choose which one is honest.
I think I give you a lot of link in the past to prove it is Jesuit oath.
the catholic doctrine as a whole, teach that Pope is represent King of king on earth.
Alberto Rivera for a long time said for that purpose, to legitimate that Pope is real represent Jesus, Vatican want Jerusalem.
back then no body believe and not even a clue,
Now after Alberto die, I google watican wants Jerusalem look at what I found almost a million article.
I can go on and on to prove it it will more than 10 pages. And if you want honest answered, you can google it.
How you explain building 7.
How you prove 1517 weaken building structure
How you prove it is 1517 F while literature said if it is 1517 F there will be blue flame.
As far as I know it was black smoke, mean not in maximum heat.
Only enough fuel to burn 2 level, why the melt steel rich bottom of the building.
How you answered why the professor find a nano thermite in the debris?
I understand as catholic you tray to cover up the fact to protect the catholic name.
but my suggestion is you better in God side than side to catholic, they not love you, they are a liar.
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brother, what I want to know is you summary how you prove :
1. building 7 collapse is impact of twin tower, while a lot of people closer than building 7 survive.
Is human structure stronger than steel structure?
2. You said 1517 F. enough to collapse steel building.
a. prove that it is 1517 F while the video show the black smoke.
b. Give us text book statement that 1517 F collapse the building.
c. prove the amount of jet fuel enough to melt the steel structure till the bottom.
3. why nano thermite found in the debris?
1. building 7 collapse is impact of twin tower, while a lot of people closer than building 7 survive.
Is human structure stronger than steel structure?
2. You said 1517 F. enough to collapse steel building.
a. prove that it is 1517 F while the video show the black smoke.
b. Give us text book statement that 1517 F collapse the building.
c. prove the amount of jet fuel enough to melt the steel structure till the bottom.
3. why nano thermite found in the debris?
Yes what David felt as he describe as energy that guide him is Satan, but he is not aware that it is Satan.
Like people that worship Allah, is worship Satan, but they aren't aware, they think it is God.
When Satan come invite us to worship him, most of the time he pretend to be a good spirit or God.
Like people that worship Allah, is worship Satan, but they aren't aware, they think it is God.
When Satan come invite us to worship him, most of the time he pretend to be a good spirit or God.
1. building 7 collapse is impact of twin tower, while a lot of people closer than building 7 survive.
Is human structure stronger than steel structure?
Building 7 may be an irrelevant part since its collapse may be due to debris + ground shaking + poor standards of construction (the last was an accusation made when building 7 was built look it up in the New York Times. Its there in the OP ED.)
2. You said 1517 F. enough to collapse steel building.
a. prove that it is 1517 F while the video show the black smoke.
The 1517 F flames stood between the floors where the jet fuel mostly filled the area. The black smoke was due to the many MANY other fires that were started by the plane's impact.
b. Give us text book statement that 1517 F collapse the building.
Again, look at the 911 Commission Report. It says clearly that at that temperature, steel begins to weaken. Multiple floors of weakened supports would cause a collapse. Momentum caused by gravity would cause further collapse.
c. prove the amount of jet fuel enough to melt the steel structure till the bottom.
Already answered, no steel melted, but much was warped on the floors of the impact. The momentum of the collapse the building was not designed to stand.
3. why nano thermite found in the debris?
First, this isn't in the 911 Commission, and has only ever been supposed by those who claim to have taken samples from the site, though no recognized lab has ever claimed to have tested those samples or given their results.
Your problem Jackson123, You trust google way too much. Welcome to the Internet, where everyone gets a voice, even Satan and his cronies. Why do you think so much of the internet is pornography, new age occultism, and sites of conspiracies and conspiracy theorists? EVERYONE gets a voice on the internet. Everyone.
Is human structure stronger than steel structure?
Building 7 may be an irrelevant part since its collapse may be due to debris + ground shaking + poor standards of construction (the last was an accusation made when building 7 was built look it up in the New York Times. Its there in the OP ED.)
2. You said 1517 F. enough to collapse steel building.
a. prove that it is 1517 F while the video show the black smoke.
The 1517 F flames stood between the floors where the jet fuel mostly filled the area. The black smoke was due to the many MANY other fires that were started by the plane's impact.
b. Give us text book statement that 1517 F collapse the building.
Again, look at the 911 Commission Report. It says clearly that at that temperature, steel begins to weaken. Multiple floors of weakened supports would cause a collapse. Momentum caused by gravity would cause further collapse.
c. prove the amount of jet fuel enough to melt the steel structure till the bottom.
Already answered, no steel melted, but much was warped on the floors of the impact. The momentum of the collapse the building was not designed to stand.
3. why nano thermite found in the debris?
First, this isn't in the 911 Commission, and has only ever been supposed by those who claim to have taken samples from the site, though no recognized lab has ever claimed to have tested those samples or given their results.
Your problem Jackson123, You trust google way too much. Welcome to the Internet, where everyone gets a voice, even Satan and his cronies. Why do you think so much of the internet is pornography, new age occultism, and sites of conspiracies and conspiracy theorists? EVERYONE gets a voice on the internet. Everyone.
brother Thomas, this is mathematical calculation how hot is 3500 gallon jet fuel can possible if no heat escape in that floor,
And it is impossible no heat escape we know it.
And why there is nano thermite in the debris, you not answered yet. Don't just believe your religion more then the fact brother.
THE JET FUEL; HOW HOT DID IT HEAT
THE WORLD TRADE CENTER?
Quote from the FEMA report into the collapse of WTC's One and Two (Chapter Two).
Since the aircraft were only flying from Boston to Los Angeles, they would have been nowhere near fully fueled on takeoff (the aircraft have a maximum range of 7,600 miles). They would have carried just enough fuel for the trip together with some safety factor. Remember, that carrying excess fuel means higher fuel bills and less paying passengers. The aircraft would have also burnt some fuel between Boston and New York.
"If one assumes that approximately 3,000 gallons of fuel were consumed in the initial fireballs, then the remainder either escaped the impact floors in the manners described above or was consumed by the fire on the impact floors. If half flowed away, then 3,500 gallons remained on the impact floors to be consumed in the fires that followed."
Quote from the FEMA report into the collapse of WTC's One and Two (Chapter Two).
What we propose to do, is pretend that the entire 3,500 gallons of jet fuel was confined to just one floor of the World Trade Center, that the jet fuel burnt with the perfect quantity of oxygen, that no hot gases left this floor and that no heat escaped this floor by conduction. With these ideal assumptions (none of which were meet in reality) we will calculate the maximum temperature that this one floor could have reached. Of course, on that day, the real temperature rise of any floor due to the burning jet fuel, would have been considerably lower than the rise that we calculate, but this estimate will enable us to demonstrate that the "official" explanation is a lie.
Note that a gallon of jet fuel weighs about 3.1 kilograms, hence 3,500 gallons weighs 3,500 x 3.1 = 10,850 kgs.
Jet fuel is a colorless, combustible, straight run petroleum distillate liquid. Its principal uses are as an ingredient in lamp oils, charcoal starter fluids, jet engine fuels and insecticides.
It is also know as, fuel oil #1, kerosene, range oil, coal oil and aviation fuel.
It is comprised of hydrocarbons with a carbon range of C9 - C17. The hydrocarbons are mainly alkanes C[SUB]n[/SUB]H[SUB]2n+2[/SUB], with n ranging from 9 to 17.
It has a flash point within the range 42° C - 72° C (110° F - 162° F).
And an ignition temperature of 210° C (410° F).
Depending on the supply of oxygen, jet fuel burns by one of three chemical reactions:
(1) C[SUB]n[/SUB]H[SUB]2n+2[/SUB] + (3n+1)/2 O[SUB]2[/SUB] => n CO[SUB]2[/SUB] + (n + 1) H[SUB]2[/SUB]O
(2) C[SUB]n[/SUB]H[SUB]2n+2[/SUB] + (2n+1)/2 O[SUB]2[/SUB] => n CO + (n + 1) H[SUB]2[/SUB]O
(3) C[SUB]n[/SUB]H[SUB]2n+2[/SUB] + (n+1)/2 O[SUB]2[/SUB] => n C + (n + 1) H[SUB]2[/SUB]O
Reaction (1) occurs when jet fuel is well mixed with air before being burnt, as for example, in jet engines.
Reactions (2) and (3) occur when a pool of jet fuel burns. When reaction (3) occurs the carbon formed shows up as soot in the flame. This makes the smoke very dark.
In the aircraft crashes at the World Trade Center, the impact (with the aircraft going from 500 or 600 mph to zero) would have throughly mixed the fuel that entered the building with the limited amount of air available within. In fact, it is likely that all the fuel was turned into a flammable mist. However, for sake of argument we will assume that 3,500 gallons of the jet fuel did in fact form a pool fire. This means that it burnt according to reactions (2) and (3). Also note that the flammable mist would have burnt according to reactions (2) and (3), as the quantity of oxygen within the building was quite limited.
Since we do not know the exact quantities of oxygen available to the fire, we will assume that the combustion was perfectly efficient, that is, that the entire quantity of jet fuel burnt via reaction (1), even though we know that this was not so. This generous assumption will give a temperature that we know will be higher than the actual temperature of the fire attributable to the jet fuel.
We need to know that the (net) calorific value of jet fuel when burnt via reaction (1) is 42-44 MJ/kg. The calorific value of a fuel is the amount of energy released when the fuel is burnt. We will use the higher value of 44 MJ/kg as this will lead to a higher maximum temperature than the lower value of 42 (and we wish to continue being outrageously generous in our assumptions).
For a cleaner presentation and simpler calculations we will also assume that our hydrocarbons are of the form C[SUB]n[/SUB]H[SUB]2n[/SUB]. The dropping of the 2 hydrogen atoms does not make much difference to the final result and the interested reader can easily recalculate the figures for a slightly more accurate result. So we are now assuming the equation:
(4) C[SUB]n[/SUB]H[SUB]2n[/SUB] + 3n/2 O[SUB]2[/SUB] => n CO[SUB]2[/SUB] + n H[SUB]2[/SUB]O
However, this model, does not take into account that the reaction is proceeding in air, which is only partly oxygen.
Dry air is 79% nitrogen and 21% oxygen (by volume). Normal air has a moisture content from 0 to 4%. We will include the water vapor and the other minor atmospheric gases with the nitrogen.
So the ratio of the main atmospheric gases, oxygen and nitrogen, is 1 : 3.76. In molar terms:
Air = O[SUB]2[/SUB] + 3.76 N[SUB]2[/SUB].
Because oxygen comes mixed with nitrogen, we have to include it in the equations. Even though it does not react, it is "along for the ride" and will absorb heat, affecting the overall heat balance. Thus we need to use the equation:
(5) C[SUB]n[/SUB]H[SUB]2n[/SUB] + 3n/2(O[SUB]2[/SUB] + 3.76 N[SUB]2[/SUB]) => n CO[SUB]2[/SUB] + n H[SUB]2[/SUB]O + 5.64n N[SUB]2[/SUB]
From this equation we see that the molar ratio of C[SUB]n[/SUB]H[SUB]2n[/SUB] to that of the products is:
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[TR]
[TD]C[SUB]n[/SUB]H[SUB]2n[/SUB] : CO[SUB]2[/SUB] : H[SUB]2[/SUB]O : N[SUB]2[/SUB][/TD]
[TD]= 1 : n : n : 5.64n moles[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]= 14n : 44n : 18n : 28 x 5.64n kgs[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]= 1 : 3.14286 : 1.28571 : 11.28 kgs[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]= 31,000 : 97,429 : 39,857 : 349,680 kgs[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
In the conversion of moles to kilograms we have assumed the atomic weights of hydrogen, carbon, nitrogen and oxygen are 1, 12, 14 and 16 respectively.
Now each of the towers contained 96,000 (short) tons of steel. That is an average of 96,000/117 = 820 tons per floor. Lets suppose that the bottom floors contained roughly twice the amount of steel of the upper floors (since the lower floors had to carry more weight). So we estimate that the lower floors contained about 1,100 tons of steel and the upper floors about 550 tons = 550 x 907.2 ≈ 500,000 kgs. We will assume that the floors hit by the aircraft contained the lower estimate of 500,000 kgs of steel. This generously underestimates the quantity of steel in these floors, and once again leads to a higher estimate of the maximum temperature.
Each story had a floor slab and a ceiling slab. These slabs were 207 feet wide, 207 feet deep and 4 (in parts 5) inches thick and were constructed from lightweight concrete. So each slab contained 207 x 207 x 1/3 = 14,283 cubic feet of concrete. Now a cubic foot of lightweight concrete weighs about 50kg, hence each slab weighed 714,150 ≈ 700,000 kgs. Together, the floor and ceiling slabs weighed some 1,400,000 kgs.
So, now we take all the ingredients and estimate a maximum temperature to which they could have been heated by 3,500 gallons of jet fuel. We will call this maximum temperature T. Since the calorific value of jet fuel is 44 MJ/kg. We know that 3,500 gallons = 31,000 kgs of jet fuel
will release 10,850 x 44,000,000 = 477,400,000,000 Joules of energy.
This is the total quantity of energy available to heat the ingredients to the temperature T. But what is the temperature T? To find out, we first have to calculate the amount of energy absorbed by each of the ingredients.
That is, we need to calculate the energy needed to raise:
[TABLE]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]39,857 [/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"]kilograms of water vapor to the temperature T° C,[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]97,429 [/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"]kilograms of carbon dioxide to the temperature T° C,[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]349,680 [/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"]kilograms of nitrogen to the temperature T° C,[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]500,000 [/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"]kilograms of steel to the temperature T° C,[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]1,400,000 [/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"]kilograms of concrete to the temperature T° C.[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
To calculate the energy needed to heat the above quantities, we need their specific heats. The specific heat of a substance is the amount of energy needed to raise one kilogram of the substance by one degree centigrade.
[TABLE]
[TR]
[TH]Substance[/TH]
[TH]Specific Heat [J/kg*C][/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Nitrogen[/TD]
[TD]1,038[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Water Vapor[/TD]
[TD]1,690[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Carbon Dioxide[/TD]
[TD]845[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Lightweight Concrete [/TD]
[TD]800[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Steel[/TD]
[TD]450[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
Substituting these values into the above, we obtain:
[TABLE]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]39,857 x[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1,690 x (T - 25)[/TD]
[TD]Joules are needed to heat the water vapor from 25° to T° C,[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]97,429 x[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]845 x (T - 25)[/TD]
[TD]Joules are needed to heat the carbon dioxide from 25° to T° C,[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]349,680 x[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1,038 x (T - 25)[/TD]
[TD]Joules are needed to heat the nitrogen from 25° to T° C,[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]500,000 x[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]450 x (T - 25)[/TD]
[TD]Joules are needed to heat the steel from 25° to T° C,[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]1,400,000 x[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]800 x (T - 25)[/TD]
[TD]Joules are needed to heat the concrete from 25° to T° C.[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
The assumption that the specific heats are constant over the temperature range 25° - T° C, is a good approximation if T turns out to be relatively small (as it does). For larger values of T this assumption once again leads to a higher maximum temperature (as the specific heat for these substances increases with temperature). We have assumed the initial temperature of the surroundings to be 25° C. The quantity, (T - 25)° C, is the temperature rise.
So the amount of energy needed to raise one floor to the temperature T° C is
= (39,857 x 1,690 + 97,429 x 845 + 349,680 x 1,038 + 500,000 x 450 + 1,400,000 x 800) x (T - 25)
= (67,358,330 + 82,327,505 + 362,967,840 + 225,000,000 + 1,120,000,000) x (T - 25) Joules
= 1,857,653,675 x (T - 25) Joules.
Since the amount of energy available to heat this floor is 477,400,000,000 Joules, we have that
1,857,653,675 x (T - 25) = 477,400,000,000
1,857,653,675 x T - 46,441,341,875 = 477,400,000,000
continued
And it is impossible no heat escape we know it.
And why there is nano thermite in the debris, you not answered yet. Don't just believe your religion more then the fact brother.
THE JET FUEL; HOW HOT DID IT HEAT
THE WORLD TRADE CENTER?
The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) report into collapse of the WTC towers, estimates that about 3,500 gallons of jet fuel burnt within each of the towers. Imagine that this entire quantity of jet fuel was injected into just one floor of the World Trade Center, that the jet fuel burnt with perfect efficency, that no hot gases left this floor, that no heat escaped this floor by conduction and that the steel and concrete had an unlimited amount of time to absorb all the heat. With these ideal assumptions we calculate the maximum temperature that this one floor could have reached.
"The Boeing 767 is capable of carrying up to 23,980 gallons of fuel and it is estimated that, at the time of impact, each aircraft had approximately 10,000 gallons of unused fuel on board (compiled from Government sources)." Quote from the FEMA report into the collapse of WTC's One and Two (Chapter Two).
Since the aircraft were only flying from Boston to Los Angeles, they would have been nowhere near fully fueled on takeoff (the aircraft have a maximum range of 7,600 miles). They would have carried just enough fuel for the trip together with some safety factor. Remember, that carrying excess fuel means higher fuel bills and less paying passengers. The aircraft would have also burnt some fuel between Boston and New York.
"If one assumes that approximately 3,000 gallons of fuel were consumed in the initial fireballs, then the remainder either escaped the impact floors in the manners described above or was consumed by the fire on the impact floors. If half flowed away, then 3,500 gallons remained on the impact floors to be consumed in the fires that followed."
Quote from the FEMA report into the collapse of WTC's One and Two (Chapter Two).
What we propose to do, is pretend that the entire 3,500 gallons of jet fuel was confined to just one floor of the World Trade Center, that the jet fuel burnt with the perfect quantity of oxygen, that no hot gases left this floor and that no heat escaped this floor by conduction. With these ideal assumptions (none of which were meet in reality) we will calculate the maximum temperature that this one floor could have reached. Of course, on that day, the real temperature rise of any floor due to the burning jet fuel, would have been considerably lower than the rise that we calculate, but this estimate will enable us to demonstrate that the "official" explanation is a lie.
Note that a gallon of jet fuel weighs about 3.1 kilograms, hence 3,500 gallons weighs 3,500 x 3.1 = 10,850 kgs.
Jet fuel is a colorless, combustible, straight run petroleum distillate liquid. Its principal uses are as an ingredient in lamp oils, charcoal starter fluids, jet engine fuels and insecticides.
It is also know as, fuel oil #1, kerosene, range oil, coal oil and aviation fuel.
It is comprised of hydrocarbons with a carbon range of C9 - C17. The hydrocarbons are mainly alkanes C[SUB]n[/SUB]H[SUB]2n+2[/SUB], with n ranging from 9 to 17.
It has a flash point within the range 42° C - 72° C (110° F - 162° F).
And an ignition temperature of 210° C (410° F).
Depending on the supply of oxygen, jet fuel burns by one of three chemical reactions:
(1) C[SUB]n[/SUB]H[SUB]2n+2[/SUB] + (3n+1)/2 O[SUB]2[/SUB] => n CO[SUB]2[/SUB] + (n + 1) H[SUB]2[/SUB]O
(2) C[SUB]n[/SUB]H[SUB]2n+2[/SUB] + (2n+1)/2 O[SUB]2[/SUB] => n CO + (n + 1) H[SUB]2[/SUB]O
(3) C[SUB]n[/SUB]H[SUB]2n+2[/SUB] + (n+1)/2 O[SUB]2[/SUB] => n C + (n + 1) H[SUB]2[/SUB]O
Reaction (1) occurs when jet fuel is well mixed with air before being burnt, as for example, in jet engines.
Reactions (2) and (3) occur when a pool of jet fuel burns. When reaction (3) occurs the carbon formed shows up as soot in the flame. This makes the smoke very dark.
In the aircraft crashes at the World Trade Center, the impact (with the aircraft going from 500 or 600 mph to zero) would have throughly mixed the fuel that entered the building with the limited amount of air available within. In fact, it is likely that all the fuel was turned into a flammable mist. However, for sake of argument we will assume that 3,500 gallons of the jet fuel did in fact form a pool fire. This means that it burnt according to reactions (2) and (3). Also note that the flammable mist would have burnt according to reactions (2) and (3), as the quantity of oxygen within the building was quite limited.
Since we do not know the exact quantities of oxygen available to the fire, we will assume that the combustion was perfectly efficient, that is, that the entire quantity of jet fuel burnt via reaction (1), even though we know that this was not so. This generous assumption will give a temperature that we know will be higher than the actual temperature of the fire attributable to the jet fuel.
We need to know that the (net) calorific value of jet fuel when burnt via reaction (1) is 42-44 MJ/kg. The calorific value of a fuel is the amount of energy released when the fuel is burnt. We will use the higher value of 44 MJ/kg as this will lead to a higher maximum temperature than the lower value of 42 (and we wish to continue being outrageously generous in our assumptions).
For a cleaner presentation and simpler calculations we will also assume that our hydrocarbons are of the form C[SUB]n[/SUB]H[SUB]2n[/SUB]. The dropping of the 2 hydrogen atoms does not make much difference to the final result and the interested reader can easily recalculate the figures for a slightly more accurate result. So we are now assuming the equation:
(4) C[SUB]n[/SUB]H[SUB]2n[/SUB] + 3n/2 O[SUB]2[/SUB] => n CO[SUB]2[/SUB] + n H[SUB]2[/SUB]O
However, this model, does not take into account that the reaction is proceeding in air, which is only partly oxygen.
Dry air is 79% nitrogen and 21% oxygen (by volume). Normal air has a moisture content from 0 to 4%. We will include the water vapor and the other minor atmospheric gases with the nitrogen.
So the ratio of the main atmospheric gases, oxygen and nitrogen, is 1 : 3.76. In molar terms:
Air = O[SUB]2[/SUB] + 3.76 N[SUB]2[/SUB].
Because oxygen comes mixed with nitrogen, we have to include it in the equations. Even though it does not react, it is "along for the ride" and will absorb heat, affecting the overall heat balance. Thus we need to use the equation:
(5) C[SUB]n[/SUB]H[SUB]2n[/SUB] + 3n/2(O[SUB]2[/SUB] + 3.76 N[SUB]2[/SUB]) => n CO[SUB]2[/SUB] + n H[SUB]2[/SUB]O + 5.64n N[SUB]2[/SUB]
From this equation we see that the molar ratio of C[SUB]n[/SUB]H[SUB]2n[/SUB] to that of the products is:
[TABLE]
[TR]
[TD]C[SUB]n[/SUB]H[SUB]2n[/SUB] : CO[SUB]2[/SUB] : H[SUB]2[/SUB]O : N[SUB]2[/SUB][/TD]
[TD]= 1 : n : n : 5.64n moles[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]= 14n : 44n : 18n : 28 x 5.64n kgs[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]= 1 : 3.14286 : 1.28571 : 11.28 kgs[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]= 31,000 : 97,429 : 39,857 : 349,680 kgs[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
In the conversion of moles to kilograms we have assumed the atomic weights of hydrogen, carbon, nitrogen and oxygen are 1, 12, 14 and 16 respectively.
Now each of the towers contained 96,000 (short) tons of steel. That is an average of 96,000/117 = 820 tons per floor. Lets suppose that the bottom floors contained roughly twice the amount of steel of the upper floors (since the lower floors had to carry more weight). So we estimate that the lower floors contained about 1,100 tons of steel and the upper floors about 550 tons = 550 x 907.2 ≈ 500,000 kgs. We will assume that the floors hit by the aircraft contained the lower estimate of 500,000 kgs of steel. This generously underestimates the quantity of steel in these floors, and once again leads to a higher estimate of the maximum temperature.
Each story had a floor slab and a ceiling slab. These slabs were 207 feet wide, 207 feet deep and 4 (in parts 5) inches thick and were constructed from lightweight concrete. So each slab contained 207 x 207 x 1/3 = 14,283 cubic feet of concrete. Now a cubic foot of lightweight concrete weighs about 50kg, hence each slab weighed 714,150 ≈ 700,000 kgs. Together, the floor and ceiling slabs weighed some 1,400,000 kgs.
So, now we take all the ingredients and estimate a maximum temperature to which they could have been heated by 3,500 gallons of jet fuel. We will call this maximum temperature T. Since the calorific value of jet fuel is 44 MJ/kg. We know that 3,500 gallons = 31,000 kgs of jet fuel
will release 10,850 x 44,000,000 = 477,400,000,000 Joules of energy.
This is the total quantity of energy available to heat the ingredients to the temperature T. But what is the temperature T? To find out, we first have to calculate the amount of energy absorbed by each of the ingredients.
That is, we need to calculate the energy needed to raise:
[TABLE]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]39,857 [/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"]kilograms of water vapor to the temperature T° C,[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]97,429 [/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"]kilograms of carbon dioxide to the temperature T° C,[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]349,680 [/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"]kilograms of nitrogen to the temperature T° C,[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]500,000 [/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"]kilograms of steel to the temperature T° C,[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]1,400,000 [/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2"]kilograms of concrete to the temperature T° C.[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
To calculate the energy needed to heat the above quantities, we need their specific heats. The specific heat of a substance is the amount of energy needed to raise one kilogram of the substance by one degree centigrade.
[TABLE]
[TR]
[TH]Substance[/TH]
[TH]Specific Heat [J/kg*C][/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Nitrogen[/TD]
[TD]1,038[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Water Vapor[/TD]
[TD]1,690[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Carbon Dioxide[/TD]
[TD]845[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Lightweight Concrete [/TD]
[TD]800[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Steel[/TD]
[TD]450[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
Substituting these values into the above, we obtain:
[TABLE]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]39,857 x[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1,690 x (T - 25)[/TD]
[TD]Joules are needed to heat the water vapor from 25° to T° C,[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]97,429 x[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]845 x (T - 25)[/TD]
[TD]Joules are needed to heat the carbon dioxide from 25° to T° C,[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]349,680 x[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1,038 x (T - 25)[/TD]
[TD]Joules are needed to heat the nitrogen from 25° to T° C,[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]500,000 x[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]450 x (T - 25)[/TD]
[TD]Joules are needed to heat the steel from 25° to T° C,[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]1,400,000 x[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]800 x (T - 25)[/TD]
[TD]Joules are needed to heat the concrete from 25° to T° C.[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
The assumption that the specific heats are constant over the temperature range 25° - T° C, is a good approximation if T turns out to be relatively small (as it does). For larger values of T this assumption once again leads to a higher maximum temperature (as the specific heat for these substances increases with temperature). We have assumed the initial temperature of the surroundings to be 25° C. The quantity, (T - 25)° C, is the temperature rise.
So the amount of energy needed to raise one floor to the temperature T° C is
= (39,857 x 1,690 + 97,429 x 845 + 349,680 x 1,038 + 500,000 x 450 + 1,400,000 x 800) x (T - 25)
= (67,358,330 + 82,327,505 + 362,967,840 + 225,000,000 + 1,120,000,000) x (T - 25) Joules
= 1,857,653,675 x (T - 25) Joules.
Since the amount of energy available to heat this floor is 477,400,000,000 Joules, we have that
1,857,653,675 x (T - 25) = 477,400,000,000
1,857,653,675 x T - 46,441,341,875 = 477,400,000,000
continued
Therefore T = (477,400,000,000 + 46,441,341,875)/1,857,653,675 = 282° C (540° F).
So, the jet fuel could (at the very most) have only added T - 25 = 282 - 25 = 257° C (495° F) to the temperature of the typical office fire that developed.
Remember, this figure is a huge over-estimate, as (among other things) it assumes that the steel and concrete had an unlimited amount of time to absorb the heat, whereas in reality, the jet fuel fire was all over in one or two minutes, and the energy not absorbed by the concrete and steel within this brief period (that is, almost all of it) would have been vented to the outside world.
"The time to consume the jet fuel can be reasonably computed. At the upper bound, if one assumes that all 10,000 gallons of fuel were evenly spread across a single building floor, it would form a pool that would be consumed by fire in less than 5 minutes"
Quote from the FEMA report into the collapse of WTC's One and Two (Chapter Two).
Here are statements from three eye-witnesses that provide evidence that the heating due to the jet fuel was indeed minimal.
Donovan Cowan was in an open elevator at the 78th floor sky-lobby (one of the impact floors of the South Tower) when the aircraft hit. He has been quoted as saying: "We went into the elevator. As soon as I hit the button, that's when there was a big boom. We both got knocked down. I remember feeling this intense heat. The doors were still open. The heat lasted for maybe 15 to 20 seconds I guess. Then it stopped."
Stanley Praimnath was on the 81st floor of the South Tower: "The plane impacts. I try to get up and then I realize that I'm covered up to my shoulder in debris. And when I'm digging through under all this rubble, I can see the bottom wing starting to burn, and that wing is wedged 20 feet in my office doorway."
Ling Young was in her 78th floor office: "Only in my area were people alive, and the people alive were from my office. I figured that out later because I sat around in there for 10 or 15 minutes. That's how I got so burned."
Neither Stanley Praimnath nor Donovan Cowan nor Ling Young were cooked by the jet fuel fire. All three survived.
Summarizing:
We have assumed that the entire 3,500 gallons of jet fuel was confined to just one floor of the World Trade Center, that the jet fuel burnt with perfect efficency, that no hot gases left this floor, that no heat escaped this floor by conduction and that the steel and concrete had an unlimited amount of time to absorb all the heat.
Then it is impossible that the jet fuel, by itself, raised the temperature of this floor more than 257° C (495° F).
Now this temperature is nowhere near high enough to even begin explaining the World Trade Center Tower collapse.
It is not even close to the first critical temperature of 600° C (1,100° F) where steel loses about half its strength and it is nowhere near the quotes of 1500° C that we constantly read about in our lying media.
"In the mid-1990s British Steel and the Building Research Establishment performed a series of six experiments at Cardington to investigate the behavior of steel frame buildings. These experiments were conducted in a simulated, eight-story building. Secondary steel beams were not protected. Despite the temperature of the steel beams reaching 800-900° C (1,500-1,700° F) in three of the tests (well above the traditionally assumed critical temperature of 600° C (1,100° F), no collapse was observed in any of the six experiments."
Quote from the FEMA report (Appendix A).
Recalling that the North Tower suffered no major structural damage from the intense office fire of February 23, 1975, we can conclude that the ensuing office fires of September 11, 2001, also did little extra damage to the towers.
Conclusion:
The jet fuel fires played almost no role in the collapse of the World Trade Center.
So, once again, you have been lied to by the media, are you surprised?
continued
So, the jet fuel could (at the very most) have only added T - 25 = 282 - 25 = 257° C (495° F) to the temperature of the typical office fire that developed.
Remember, this figure is a huge over-estimate, as (among other things) it assumes that the steel and concrete had an unlimited amount of time to absorb the heat, whereas in reality, the jet fuel fire was all over in one or two minutes, and the energy not absorbed by the concrete and steel within this brief period (that is, almost all of it) would have been vented to the outside world.
"The time to consume the jet fuel can be reasonably computed. At the upper bound, if one assumes that all 10,000 gallons of fuel were evenly spread across a single building floor, it would form a pool that would be consumed by fire in less than 5 minutes"
Quote from the FEMA report into the collapse of WTC's One and Two (Chapter Two).
Here are statements from three eye-witnesses that provide evidence that the heating due to the jet fuel was indeed minimal.
Donovan Cowan was in an open elevator at the 78th floor sky-lobby (one of the impact floors of the South Tower) when the aircraft hit. He has been quoted as saying: "We went into the elevator. As soon as I hit the button, that's when there was a big boom. We both got knocked down. I remember feeling this intense heat. The doors were still open. The heat lasted for maybe 15 to 20 seconds I guess. Then it stopped."
Stanley Praimnath was on the 81st floor of the South Tower: "The plane impacts. I try to get up and then I realize that I'm covered up to my shoulder in debris. And when I'm digging through under all this rubble, I can see the bottom wing starting to burn, and that wing is wedged 20 feet in my office doorway."
Ling Young was in her 78th floor office: "Only in my area were people alive, and the people alive were from my office. I figured that out later because I sat around in there for 10 or 15 minutes. That's how I got so burned."
Neither Stanley Praimnath nor Donovan Cowan nor Ling Young were cooked by the jet fuel fire. All three survived.
Summarizing:
We have assumed that the entire 3,500 gallons of jet fuel was confined to just one floor of the World Trade Center, that the jet fuel burnt with perfect efficency, that no hot gases left this floor, that no heat escaped this floor by conduction and that the steel and concrete had an unlimited amount of time to absorb all the heat.
Then it is impossible that the jet fuel, by itself, raised the temperature of this floor more than 257° C (495° F).
Now this temperature is nowhere near high enough to even begin explaining the World Trade Center Tower collapse.
It is not even close to the first critical temperature of 600° C (1,100° F) where steel loses about half its strength and it is nowhere near the quotes of 1500° C that we constantly read about in our lying media.
"In the mid-1990s British Steel and the Building Research Establishment performed a series of six experiments at Cardington to investigate the behavior of steel frame buildings. These experiments were conducted in a simulated, eight-story building. Secondary steel beams were not protected. Despite the temperature of the steel beams reaching 800-900° C (1,500-1,700° F) in three of the tests (well above the traditionally assumed critical temperature of 600° C (1,100° F), no collapse was observed in any of the six experiments."
Quote from the FEMA report (Appendix A).
Recalling that the North Tower suffered no major structural damage from the intense office fire of February 23, 1975, we can conclude that the ensuing office fires of September 11, 2001, also did little extra damage to the towers.
Conclusion:
The jet fuel fires played almost no role in the collapse of the World Trade Center.
So, once again, you have been lied to by the media, are you surprised?
continued
let me quote the summary one more time.
We have assumed that the entire 3,500 gallons of jet fuel was confined to just one floor of the World Trade Center, that the jet fuel burnt with perfect efficency, that no hot gases left this floor, that no heat escaped this floor by conduction and that the steel and concrete had an unlimited amount of time to absorb all the heat.
Then it is impossible that the jet fuel, by itself, raised the temperature of this floor more than 257° C (495° F).
Remember, the 3500 gallon jet fuel is only possible burn at one floor.
And base on mathematical calculation,maximum maximum temperature with this condition is 495 f.
We have assumed that the entire 3,500 gallons of jet fuel was confined to just one floor of the World Trade Center, that the jet fuel burnt with perfect efficency, that no hot gases left this floor, that no heat escaped this floor by conduction and that the steel and concrete had an unlimited amount of time to absorb all the heat.
Then it is impossible that the jet fuel, by itself, raised the temperature of this floor more than 257° C (495° F).
Remember, the 3500 gallon jet fuel is only possible burn at one floor.
And base on mathematical calculation,maximum maximum temperature with this condition is 495 f.
Brother Thomas, I don't believe every information in the internet. I analyse if it logically acceptable or not.
It is impossible for 3500 gallon jet fuel to collapse 110 story steel building, in 6 study it never happen.
Can you imagine the debris able to collapse building 7. why the debris not kill thousand of people surrounding the building, or every car that park surrounding it.
Show me the blue flame in the video to prove it is maximum heat, though if it is not going to collapse the building.
the building not only collapse but I see the melting iron in the picture.
show me the literature that state jet fuel melting iron and how long it take to melt iron use jet fuel?
I am copying one of the argument from discussion forum like this.
e: Reply to people who say jet fuel can't melt steel
Posted by: Bob ()
Date: January 25, 2007 10:05PM
I have checked a couple sources regarding the temp. for burning JET A fuel (standard in the US). The open air burning temp is less than 350 C. I think you would have to consider the WTC open air burning. Max temp is achieved only with an optimum mixture of air and fuel producing no smoke. Smoke is a sign of oxygen deprivation with results in lower temperatures. The WTC steel was tested by UL at 2000 C and retained it's specification. It is not likely that an open air burn for less than 50 minutes could have caused enough deformation to result in collapse.
Not a pleasant conclusion I'm afraid, but hey science is science.
It is impossible for 3500 gallon jet fuel to collapse 110 story steel building, in 6 study it never happen.
Can you imagine the debris able to collapse building 7. why the debris not kill thousand of people surrounding the building, or every car that park surrounding it.
Show me the blue flame in the video to prove it is maximum heat, though if it is not going to collapse the building.
the building not only collapse but I see the melting iron in the picture.
show me the literature that state jet fuel melting iron and how long it take to melt iron use jet fuel?
I am copying one of the argument from discussion forum like this.
e: Reply to people who say jet fuel can't melt steel
Posted by: Bob ()
Date: January 25, 2007 10:05PM
I have checked a couple sources regarding the temp. for burning JET A fuel (standard in the US). The open air burning temp is less than 350 C. I think you would have to consider the WTC open air burning. Max temp is achieved only with an optimum mixture of air and fuel producing no smoke. Smoke is a sign of oxygen deprivation with results in lower temperatures. The WTC steel was tested by UL at 2000 C and retained it's specification. It is not likely that an open air burn for less than 50 minutes could have caused enough deformation to result in collapse.
Not a pleasant conclusion I'm afraid, but hey science is science.
Okay you are missing two key facts. Much of the steel was compromised the moment the planes hit each tower. Second, add to the compromised structure the heat of the fuel burning against bare steel (almost all insulation would have been blown away by the impact).
Those two key facts led to the compromise of steel's ability to fight gravity. Gravity won.
You want the government to be behind the acts of a few evil men, because it inherently seems impossible. But you've forgotten what famous and powerful men have learned throughout the centuries, no one can stop the lone gunman. It does not matter if it was only a few men trained in how to fly. They knew what they were doing, and they were doing it in the name of Allah (Satan.) But Satan knows more than any of us that it only takes one. It only takes one person to damn the rest. It only takes one. Over the centuries and millenia, Satan has begun to gather his army of ones, each believing that they are right.
Some day, ONE man will walk onto the stage and take over the world, because Satan has convinced him to be his voice to the world. It won't take a grand conspiracy, and it won't take long to succeed at first. We have seen how evil men take power. Hitler's rise was not through a grand conspiracy, but through a small conspiracy of his inner circle. Joseph Stalin used Vladimir Lenin and Trotsky to rise to power, and when it looked like Stalin had risen as far as he could, he removed those who stood in front of him. Mao rose through a grassroots movement to become the leader of China.
Jackson123, you like most people, don't believe that a single person can hold much power. Remember the old addages that "it only takes one good man to stay silent for evil to win." It doesn't take a grand conspiracy to take down two towers built by human hands. It only took two planes, flown by a few men. That's it. And guess what, that scares the hell out of me, and it boggles my mind that it doesn't scare the hell out of you. The peace of this nation was ruined by 911. You don't understand that, because you aren't here. It wasn't your towers.
Don't tell me how our disaster was worse than it was. Because you weren't a teenager watching those towers fall. You weren't a teenager who finally realized how he had just seen the beginning of the end of his great nation. Do you know what thats like at 14? To realize in a single instant that what was founded in 1776, had just found out that there was a malignant tumor. Our country has made bad choice after bad choice since 911. It didn't take a grand conspiracy. It took planning by the master schemer, making sure that those who vied for power who worshipped power would be in the right place at the right time to lead to the downfall of an entire nation. You see men in a huddled room planning this. I see men who had no knowledge of the other who all listened to the same whispers. Who all listened to their own selfish desires and forgot to distinguish between the diabolic voice and their own.
There is only one great conspiracy throughout history, and that is Satan's rebellion. Don't go picking scabs when you're bleeding from your neck.
Those two key facts led to the compromise of steel's ability to fight gravity. Gravity won.
You want the government to be behind the acts of a few evil men, because it inherently seems impossible. But you've forgotten what famous and powerful men have learned throughout the centuries, no one can stop the lone gunman. It does not matter if it was only a few men trained in how to fly. They knew what they were doing, and they were doing it in the name of Allah (Satan.) But Satan knows more than any of us that it only takes one. It only takes one person to damn the rest. It only takes one. Over the centuries and millenia, Satan has begun to gather his army of ones, each believing that they are right.
Some day, ONE man will walk onto the stage and take over the world, because Satan has convinced him to be his voice to the world. It won't take a grand conspiracy, and it won't take long to succeed at first. We have seen how evil men take power. Hitler's rise was not through a grand conspiracy, but through a small conspiracy of his inner circle. Joseph Stalin used Vladimir Lenin and Trotsky to rise to power, and when it looked like Stalin had risen as far as he could, he removed those who stood in front of him. Mao rose through a grassroots movement to become the leader of China.
Jackson123, you like most people, don't believe that a single person can hold much power. Remember the old addages that "it only takes one good man to stay silent for evil to win." It doesn't take a grand conspiracy to take down two towers built by human hands. It only took two planes, flown by a few men. That's it. And guess what, that scares the hell out of me, and it boggles my mind that it doesn't scare the hell out of you. The peace of this nation was ruined by 911. You don't understand that, because you aren't here. It wasn't your towers.
Don't tell me how our disaster was worse than it was. Because you weren't a teenager watching those towers fall. You weren't a teenager who finally realized how he had just seen the beginning of the end of his great nation. Do you know what thats like at 14? To realize in a single instant that what was founded in 1776, had just found out that there was a malignant tumor. Our country has made bad choice after bad choice since 911. It didn't take a grand conspiracy. It took planning by the master schemer, making sure that those who vied for power who worshipped power would be in the right place at the right time to lead to the downfall of an entire nation. You see men in a huddled room planning this. I see men who had no knowledge of the other who all listened to the same whispers. Who all listened to their own selfish desires and forgot to distinguish between the diabolic voice and their own.
There is only one great conspiracy throughout history, and that is Satan's rebellion. Don't go picking scabs when you're bleeding from your neck.
Brother Thomas, you mention about communism, Russia, China, have ever wonder why Paraguay reduction, a experiment by Jesuit in Paraguay had basis economic like communism?
no private property so if you own a house now, when one world government come, they going to take it.
Some expert said catholic start communism.
Jesuit train Stalin, mo che dong from china etc.
You may not believe but I do, same economic system, it is slavery.
I give you a link from your own religion, from catholic encyclopedia.
[h=3]CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Reductions of Paraguay[/h]www.newadvent.org › Catholic Encyclopedia
(1) Conditions of Property
The economic basis was a sort of communism, which, however differed materially from the modern system which bears the same name, and was essentially theocratic. "The Jesuits", writes Gelpi y Ferro, "realized in their Christiancommonwealth all that is good and nothing that is bad in the plans of modern Socialists and Communists." The land and all that stood upon it was the property of the community. The land was apportioned among the caciques, who allotted it to the families under them. Agricultural instruments and draught-cattle were loaned from the common supply. No one was permitted to sell his plot of land or his house, called abamba, i.e. "own possession." Theindividual efforts of the Indians, owing to their indolence, soon proved to be inadequate, whereupon separate plots were set aside as common fields, called Tupamba, i.e. "God's property" which were cultivated by common labour under the guidance of the Padres. The products of these fields were placed in the common storehouse, and were used partly for the support of the poor, the sick, widows, orphans, Church Indians, etc., partly as seed for the next year, partly as reserve supply for unforeseen contingencies, and also as a medium of exchange for European goodsand for taxes (see below). The yield of the private fields and of private effort became the absolute property of theIndians, and was credited to them individually in the common barter transactions, so that each received in exchange the goods he desired. Those abamba plots which gave a smaller yield because of faulty individual management were exchanged from time to time. The herds of livestock were also common property. The caballos del Santo, which were used in processions on festal occasions, were especially reserved. Thus the Reduction Los Santos Apostoles at one time owned 599 of these.
no private property so if you own a house now, when one world government come, they going to take it.
Some expert said catholic start communism.
Jesuit train Stalin, mo che dong from china etc.
You may not believe but I do, same economic system, it is slavery.
I give you a link from your own religion, from catholic encyclopedia.
[h=3]CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Reductions of Paraguay[/h]www.newadvent.org › Catholic Encyclopedia
(1) Conditions of Property
The economic basis was a sort of communism, which, however differed materially from the modern system which bears the same name, and was essentially theocratic. "The Jesuits", writes Gelpi y Ferro, "realized in their Christiancommonwealth all that is good and nothing that is bad in the plans of modern Socialists and Communists." The land and all that stood upon it was the property of the community. The land was apportioned among the caciques, who allotted it to the families under them. Agricultural instruments and draught-cattle were loaned from the common supply. No one was permitted to sell his plot of land or his house, called abamba, i.e. "own possession." Theindividual efforts of the Indians, owing to their indolence, soon proved to be inadequate, whereupon separate plots were set aside as common fields, called Tupamba, i.e. "God's property" which were cultivated by common labour under the guidance of the Padres. The products of these fields were placed in the common storehouse, and were used partly for the support of the poor, the sick, widows, orphans, Church Indians, etc., partly as seed for the next year, partly as reserve supply for unforeseen contingencies, and also as a medium of exchange for European goodsand for taxes (see below). The yield of the private fields and of private effort became the absolute property of theIndians, and was credited to them individually in the common barter transactions, so that each received in exchange the goods he desired. Those abamba plots which gave a smaller yield because of faulty individual management were exchanged from time to time. The herds of livestock were also common property. The caballos del Santo, which were used in processions on festal occasions, were especially reserved. Thus the Reduction Los Santos Apostoles at one time owned 599 of these.
You are talking to a Medievalist, who believes that a constitutional monarchy ruled by nobility and representatives of the people is the best form of government in the realm of man, about communism beginning with Jesuits. I do not condone communism, because it is theological antithesis of what I believe in. Give to the poor, yes. Bring down the rich to do so, no. Communism goes too far. The RCC rejects communism as an evil. Next you will be telling me that the Free Masons are somehow part of the RCC, even though to be a member is to be excommunicate.