The Fixed Earth

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Cup-of-Ruin

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Of course God knows what shape the Earth is.
Right, so do you understand how I have shown you how the Bible - God's own word describes the shape of the earth? There is only one reasonable conclusion that one could possibly form. To describe a circumference on the face of the deep, from an omnipotent God on all sides! Ask yourself what is God's view of the earth? He views it from all directions! Omnipotence! Therefore I conclude that according to His word and also by what my own experience and logic tell me, that the Earth is a Sphere...
 
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greatkraw

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Actually, Cup, you have made me question my former arrogant assumptions. I see now that the earth is not a sphere but either a Mobius Strip or a Klein bottle.
 
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Cup-of-Ruin

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Some more background to the story;

Tycho Brahe was a sixteenth century Christian geocentrist and reputed to be the best naked-eye astronomical observer known to history. Kepler was nowhere near the level and standing of Brahe who hired Kepler to help out in his measurements of the postions of the planets. Brahe was working on the final measurements that would destroy the false sciences of Copernicus once and for all. Tycho Brahe died under perculiar and suspicious circumstances, before he died Kepler promised Brahe that he would present Brahe's observations in Tycho Brahe's own model of the geocentric universe in which the sun revolves around the earth and the planets revolve with the sun around the fixed earth at the centre of the universe.

Kepler was a fair mathematician, but he was no Christian, he was an astrologer and occult mystic, his mother had been tried for witchcraft, but was let off, but Keplers grandmother was tried and found guilty, Kepler himself was denied a position in the Lutherian church because he had been found to be practicing black arts and occult, he was an occultist and came from a family of anti-christian witches. Like Copernicus, Kepler believed that the sun was God and had stated such, he believed that the sun was God the father and the light was Logos or Christ emanating from the sun. And this was just basic old eastern sun worship and idolatry, that's all it was, the ancient revival of the sun as the centre and not the earth, this is anti-biblical, anti-God, and idolatry! This is the ancient Babylonian tradition of pagan Sun-god worship, and sun-kings located at the centre of the Zodiac like an Apollo or Ra. Now in the modern age this revived idolatry and false science has become entrenched and very sophisticated, but its a false view, its an occult view, which fits neatly into Satan's plans to lead sheep away from the true worship of God, and true understanding of nature and the universe, and that is why this heliocentric false science has more money and resources spent on it by the god of this world and his minions then anything else, why? Because it works, it has been a very deceptive plan and it has been very successful, but all will be revealed in the end, but do you really want to be one of the decieved, do you really want to doubt God's sure word? God is truth, he who lies is the father of it, and has not God, so seach yourself, your hearts and minds for the truth! Does God not testify to you the truth, so you can defeat these powers of darkness in high places! Is it not given to you to know the secrets of the Kingdom? Are you decevied?
 
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greatkraw

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yawn..................
 
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Cup-of-Ruin

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yawn..................
Would I expect anything else, that pretty much somes up the state of the christian church today, you expressed it in one word 'yawn', well that's not real true Christianity, Christianity and the word of God brings down Satan's strongholds, destroys wordly govenments of men, and glorifies God and His word alone!
 
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greatkraw

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Cup, you always need to have the last word lol.
 
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Graybeard

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Cup..I was very tempted to answer you but restrain myself due to the fact that some questions I challenged you with you choose to ignore, so because of your silence in some matters I am lead to believe that questions you do not have an answer for you simply ignore..so then what is the point.
 
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Cup's not interested in the truth, he's only interested in clinging to his fantasy.
 
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Cup-of-Ruin

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Cup..I was very tempted to answer you but restrain myself due to the fact that some questions I challenged you with you choose to ignore, so because of your silence in some matters I am lead to believe that questions you do not have an answer for you simply ignore..so then what is the point.
No need to be contrary, I have answered many of questions, which one did I not answer?
 
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Cup-of-Ruin

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Please refrain from ad hominem, try to keep in line with the nature of the thread.
 
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I don't think anyone here is an evoltionist....or atleast they shouldn't be ;)
 
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charisenexcelcis

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Actually, the circle formed by the star will not be a perfect circle. That and the seasons are the easy proof of a heliocentric universe. As for the verses, even the ones that are strictly physical in their meaning are simply an example of language being highly phenominological. For example, I truly believe in a heliocentric universe, but I will still speak of the sun rising.
 
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Cup-of-Ruin

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Actually, the circle formed by the star will not be a perfect circle. That and the seasons are the easy proof of a heliocentric universe. As for the verses, even the ones that are strictly physical in their meaning are simply an example of language being highly phenominological. For example, I truly believe in a heliocentric universe, but I will still speak of the sun rising.
Seasons are caused by the spiral orbit of the sun around the earth, just as you see the sun rising and setting as it is.

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charisenexcelcis

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The mass of the sun would not make it possible for the seasons to be caused by variations in its orbit around the earth. Also, you have the probem of a measurable force (gravity) and its laws. Try this experiment: Stand up and hold a pencil between you finger and your thumb. All of the gravity of the entire earth is pulling against the pencil. The electro-magnetic power in the tips of your fingers is stronger than all the gravity of earth. The sun can no more rotate around the earth than the earth can rotate around you.
 
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Cup-of-Ruin

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I don't think anyone here is an evoltionist....or atleast they shouldn't be ;)
Heliocentricity formed the foundation upon which evolutionary theory was built, they go hand in hand along with Big Bangism, a 15 billion yo universe that is super huge and the earth placed insignificantly in the middle of nowhere going around a insignificant sun, this is all part of Satan's deception, all these false ideas have been around for a very long time, but over the last 200 years due to the great falling away of Christianity, they have gained ascendency, most people now believe these false anti-biblical lies because the media tells them to, and they are afraid, and they underestimate Satan's supernatural abilities in decieving the world into idolatry and sun worship and false man-made sciences.
 
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Cup-of-Ruin

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The mass of the sun would not make it possible for the seasons to be caused by variations in its orbit around the earth. Also, you have the probem of a measurable force (gravity) and its laws. Try this experiment: Stand up and hold a pencil between you finger and your thumb. All of the gravity of the entire earth is pulling against the pencil. The electro-magnetic power in the tips of your fingers is stronger than all the gravity of earth. The sun can no more rotate around the earth than the earth can rotate around you.
the entire gravity of the sun is unable to pull the pencil from my fingertips either, gravity is infinitely weaker than electromagnetism as a force. So you contradict yourself by proposing that the earth revolves around the sun due to gravity and yet at the same time you offer evidence that the a minute amount of electromagnetic force can overcome the entite gravity of the earth, do you see the contradition?
 
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charisenexcelcis

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Heliocentricity formed the foundation upon which evolutionary theory was built, they go hand in hand along with Big Bangism, a 15 billion yo universe that is super huge and the earth placed insignificantly in the middle of nowhere going around a insignificant sun, this is all part of Satan's deception, all these false ideas have been around for a very long time, but over the last 200 years due to the great falling away of Christianity, they have gained ascendency, most people now believe these false anti-biblical lies because the media tells them to, and they are afraid, and they underestimate Satan's supernatural abilities in decieving the world into idolatry and sun worship and false man-made sciences.
It is difficult at times to deal with the mixture of truth and falsehood that the world follows. We can only be faithful to the Truth of the Word of God without getting distracted by side issues. I do not believe that enspousing heliocentricity opens me to a denial of creation. Our significance does not come from the size of the earth, but from God's love for us and His grace and forgiveness. "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son, that whosoever believeth onHim should not perish but have everlasting life."
 
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charisenexcelcis

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the entire gravity of the sun is unable to pull the pencil from my fingertips either, gravity is infinitely weaker than electromagnetism as a force. So you contradict yourself by proposing that the earth revolves around the sun due to gravity and yet at the same time you offer evidence that the a minute amount of electromagnetic force can overcome the entite gravity of the earth, do you see the contradition?
Do you believe that the earth can rotate around you? My experiment prove how weak gravity is. If the gravity of the earth was strong enough to hold the sun, it would be strong enough to pull the pencil out of your hand. Do you see the contridiction in your argument? The mass of the sun is much greater than that earth and therefore, this weakest of the basic forces can still hold the earth in orbit.
 
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Cup-of-Ruin

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Do you believe that the earth can rotate around you?
No.

My experiment prove how weak gravity is. If the gravity of the earth was strong enough to hold the sun,
Well it's not gravity that keeps the sun in orbit around the earth. Neither do small objects rotate around objects of superior mass or at least this has never been observed or proven, your proposition was that 'gravity' was the cause of the earth orbiting the sun because the sun has a larger mass, but there is no evidence that objects of superior mass cause objects of smaller mass to rotate around them, do birds rotate around trees? Do planes go into orbit around mountains? Gravity is a theory and it's unresolved and unproven and as you just admitted, it is a very weak force.


it would be strong enough to pull the pencil out of your hand. Do you see the contridiction in your argument? The mass of the sun is much greater than that earth and therefore, this weakest of the basic forces can still hold the earth in orbit.
Im not proposing gravity as the cause, you are.
 
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