Catholic Heresy (for the record)
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According to Jesus there is only one way and Jesus did not say it was through the Roman Catholic church. In fact Jesus did not say it was through any church. Jesus said that He was the way the truth and the life and that no man comes unto the Father except they come through Him.
If as you claim the 1.2 billion Catholics are depending on the teachings of the "church" then they are not biblically saved and are certain to perish. They will be among the countless others who being very religious are also very lost and will enquire of Jesus those haunting words Lord, Lord have not done many wonderful works in Thy name. Jesus will say with much grief depart from Me for I knew you not.
It is quite disheartening to see so many souls in church all their lives and to perish in ignorance of the true gospel. It is in some very small way like the Lord lamenting over Jerusalem desiring her to repent and she would not.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
If as you claim the 1.2 billion Catholics are depending on the teachings of the "church" then they are not biblically saved and are certain to perish. They will be among the countless others who being very religious are also very lost and will enquire of Jesus those haunting words Lord, Lord have not done many wonderful works in Thy name. Jesus will say with much grief depart from Me for I knew you not.
It is quite disheartening to see so many souls in church all their lives and to perish in ignorance of the true gospel. It is in some very small way like the Lord lamenting over Jerusalem desiring her to repent and she would not.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
No, I just said they're heretics, because that's what they are. That does not mean that they are lost to the salvation of Christ, I leave that to God. (I trust HE knows what to do with them 
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J
My Bible doesn't mention anybody in a chat room maintaining the Book of Life, and is clear the Lord Jesus is the Judge of all on eternal issues. I would just like to make one point on this, that, in our lifetimes, we can't know all the Bible, a lifetime or lifetimes worth of scripture study, to completely learn the Lord's Book, not enough. Therefore, I would just urge all to study and obey the faith of the Bible, the faith as recorded by the words of our Lord and His apostles, especially of the New Testament covenant, the pure gospel of Jesus Christ which does, certainly, save. We have a Bible, this to have record of the true faith which generations of men and false organizations can't corrupt and add error to, and any organization that teaches contrary to holy scripture is to be rebuked and ignored. Wisdom is to get your faith from the word of God in the Bible and only those teaching in complete harmony with inspired scripture holy men of God laid down.
Saying that Catholics aren't Christian is like saying that Christianity after the time of Christ somehow disappeared for 15 centuries and then suddenly reappeared with Martin Luther.
That would be like saying that the history of the United States began with George Washington in 1776, and then skipped over to Franklin Roosevelt in 1932. It's just dumb.
That would be like saying that the history of the United States began with George Washington in 1776, and then skipped over to Franklin Roosevelt in 1932. It's just dumb.
Indeed, because this is 'christian chat' not 'catholic chat.' You can't call the Reformers heretics here.
Sure, but everybody here LOVES your posts ofcourse.
Sure, but everybody here LOVES your posts ofcourse.
D
Good for you, but you have to realize you begin to sound more and more like a troll.
According to one defition a troll is:
'One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup
or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument.'
You do exactly that by posting your controversial catholic rubbish here.
According to one defition a troll is:
'One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup
or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument.'
You do exactly that by posting your controversial catholic rubbish here.
Saying that Roman Catholics are Christian because they are Roman Catholic is like me standing in my garage and calling myself, no insisting that I am a car. Hardly a persuasive argument. Demonstrate from the bible that you are a Christian and we will agree. There is no other standard that can be used and relied upon.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
For the cause of Christ
Roger
I
Who ? I hear this all the time, yet no evidence of these people exist in history besides the orthodox schism ( and the orthodox theology is the same as catholic for the most part ); and then the reformers. Where were these people in the first 1000 years before the schism, and in the 500 years after ?
And to call people "true christians" because they protest catholicism ? Let me ask you... based on the scripture, what is a christian ?
And to call people "true christians" because they protest catholicism ? Let me ask you... based on the scripture, what is a christian ?
J
These protests against the Catholic Church has been rehearsed multiple times in its history. Particularly by the Gnostics in the 2nd century, who claimed to have true knowledge of the true gospel, that even the apostles themselves corrupted the gospel taught by Christ. Living in the 1st century, without a Bible in hand, how can one know which of opposing versions of the gospel is the Truth? The early Church responded to the challenge by the Gnostics by appealing to apostolic succession. St. Irenaeus, who lived in the 2nd century, explains how the Apostolic Tradition was to be found, to whom it was entrusted, and how it was preserved. He said,
"It is within the power of all, therefore, in every Church, who may wish to see the truth, to contemplate clearly the tradition of the apostles manifested throughout the whole world; and we are in a position to reckon up those who were by the apostles instituted bishops in the Churches, and [to demonstrate] the succession of these men to our own times; those who neither taught nor knew of anything like what these [heretics] rave about. For if the apostles had known hidden mysteries, which they were in the habit of imparting to “the perfect” apart and privily from the rest, they would have delivered them especially to those to whom they were also committing the Churches themselves. For they were desirous that these men should be very perfect and blameless in all things, whom also they were leaving behind as their successors, delivering up their own place of government to these men; which men, if they discharged their functions honestly, would be a great boon [to the Church], but if they should fall away, the direst calamity.Since, however, it would be very tedious, in such a volume as this, to reckon up the successions of all the Churches, we do put to confusion all those who, in whatever manner, whether by an evil self-pleasing, by vainglory, or by blindness and perverse opinion, assemble in unauthorized meetings; [we do this, I say,] by indicating that tradition derived from the apostles, of the very great, the very ancient, and universally known Church founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul; as also [by pointing out] the faith preached to men, which comes down to our time by means of the successions of the bishops. For it is a matter of necessity that every Church should agree with this Church, on account of its preeminent authority, that is, the faithful everywhere, inasmuch as the tradition has been preserved continuously by those [faithful men] who exist everywhere."
That is why 2 Thess 2:15 exhorts us to stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught, whether by word of mouth or by letter from us.
These apostolic teachings, or the Oral Tradition, has been passed down to us, through the unbroken apostolic succession for 2000 years (even the task of preserving the original manuscripts of the Bible you are holding) down to the present 266th successor, in the name of Francis.
John17
"It is within the power of all, therefore, in every Church, who may wish to see the truth, to contemplate clearly the tradition of the apostles manifested throughout the whole world; and we are in a position to reckon up those who were by the apostles instituted bishops in the Churches, and [to demonstrate] the succession of these men to our own times; those who neither taught nor knew of anything like what these [heretics] rave about. For if the apostles had known hidden mysteries, which they were in the habit of imparting to “the perfect” apart and privily from the rest, they would have delivered them especially to those to whom they were also committing the Churches themselves. For they were desirous that these men should be very perfect and blameless in all things, whom also they were leaving behind as their successors, delivering up their own place of government to these men; which men, if they discharged their functions honestly, would be a great boon [to the Church], but if they should fall away, the direst calamity.Since, however, it would be very tedious, in such a volume as this, to reckon up the successions of all the Churches, we do put to confusion all those who, in whatever manner, whether by an evil self-pleasing, by vainglory, or by blindness and perverse opinion, assemble in unauthorized meetings; [we do this, I say,] by indicating that tradition derived from the apostles, of the very great, the very ancient, and universally known Church founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul; as also [by pointing out] the faith preached to men, which comes down to our time by means of the successions of the bishops. For it is a matter of necessity that every Church should agree with this Church, on account of its preeminent authority, that is, the faithful everywhere, inasmuch as the tradition has been preserved continuously by those [faithful men] who exist everywhere."
That is why 2 Thess 2:15 exhorts us to stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught, whether by word of mouth or by letter from us.
These apostolic teachings, or the Oral Tradition, has been passed down to us, through the unbroken apostolic succession for 2000 years (even the task of preserving the original manuscripts of the Bible you are holding) down to the present 266th successor, in the name of Francis.
John17
Z
Hi, I'm new here but I liked the original post.
Jesus says to not use vain repetitions like heathens do.
Catholics pray with beads and use vain repetitions.
Jesus says to pray to His Father in heaven.
Catholics pray to saints.
The Lord God says to not have any graven images.
Catholic churches have the most graven images covering them.
The Lord God says to keep the sabbath holy and it is hallowed.
Catholics worship on Sunday, because of Constantine persecuting those who worshiped on sabbath. Essentially sun worship, paganism.
The Lord God did not tell us to observe Ishtar (Easter).
Catholics observe Easter.
Jesus rebuked Jews for putting the traditions of men over the word of the Lord God.
Catholics make you jump through hoops and study Catholicism before they will allow you to be baptized. This places a sense of foolish pride inside Catholics, who, when they hear criticism of Catholicism, take it as a personal insult because of how much time and energy they put in to their entry in to the church. It blinds them to the issue at hand, and instead I normally see them babble incoherently against protestants as heretics. When Jesus started His ministry, He told the apostles to drop what they were doing and follow him. He didn't make them wait 18 month before baptizing them.
The Lord God did not tell us to celebrate Christmas (winter solstice, pagan celebrations).
Catholics observe Christmas.
Jesus told us to pray in secret to the Lord God and how the Lord God knows His children.
The current pope told us that it is dangerous to have a relationship with the Lord God, and would have people believe that He is literally too busy to hear prayers.
Jesus is the living torah, the WORD of God.
Catholics base most of their teaching on the letters of Paul.
In revelation it mentions the wine of the wrath of fornication.
The pope recently allowed Islamic (satanic) prayers in the Vatican (multiculturalism, paganism, Islam, secular humanism). He also said that atheists and other people of other religions go to heaven too.
Jesus said that He has the power to forgive sins on earth.
Catholics confess sins to priests.
Jesus said call no man father except the Lord God.
Catholics call priests father.
In revelation it mentions the whore of Babylon being drunk on the blood of saints.
Catholicism reveres saints equal or above Jesus.
All have fallen short of the glory of God and have sinned.
Catholics think that Mary did not sin.
It's bizarre to see Catholics see these kind of things and just dismiss them as if they aren't important.
Jesus says to not use vain repetitions like heathens do.
Catholics pray with beads and use vain repetitions.
Jesus says to pray to His Father in heaven.
Catholics pray to saints.
The Lord God says to not have any graven images.
Catholic churches have the most graven images covering them.
The Lord God says to keep the sabbath holy and it is hallowed.
Catholics worship on Sunday, because of Constantine persecuting those who worshiped on sabbath. Essentially sun worship, paganism.
The Lord God did not tell us to observe Ishtar (Easter).
Catholics observe Easter.
Jesus rebuked Jews for putting the traditions of men over the word of the Lord God.
Catholics make you jump through hoops and study Catholicism before they will allow you to be baptized. This places a sense of foolish pride inside Catholics, who, when they hear criticism of Catholicism, take it as a personal insult because of how much time and energy they put in to their entry in to the church. It blinds them to the issue at hand, and instead I normally see them babble incoherently against protestants as heretics. When Jesus started His ministry, He told the apostles to drop what they were doing and follow him. He didn't make them wait 18 month before baptizing them.
The Lord God did not tell us to celebrate Christmas (winter solstice, pagan celebrations).
Catholics observe Christmas.
Jesus told us to pray in secret to the Lord God and how the Lord God knows His children.
The current pope told us that it is dangerous to have a relationship with the Lord God, and would have people believe that He is literally too busy to hear prayers.
Jesus is the living torah, the WORD of God.
Catholics base most of their teaching on the letters of Paul.
In revelation it mentions the wine of the wrath of fornication.
The pope recently allowed Islamic (satanic) prayers in the Vatican (multiculturalism, paganism, Islam, secular humanism). He also said that atheists and other people of other religions go to heaven too.
Jesus said that He has the power to forgive sins on earth.
Catholics confess sins to priests.
Jesus said call no man father except the Lord God.
Catholics call priests father.
In revelation it mentions the whore of Babylon being drunk on the blood of saints.
Catholicism reveres saints equal or above Jesus.
All have fallen short of the glory of God and have sinned.
Catholics think that Mary did not sin.
It's bizarre to see Catholics see these kind of things and just dismiss them as if they aren't important.