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VCO, I am a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. I have read your posts and want to show you that my church is a 'Restoration' of the first century church. No other church can compare to it more than mine.
[h=2]New Testament Church Compared to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints[/h]
(Name of this Church) Hebrews 12:23…Church of the “First Born” (Jesus Christ) Jesus was referred to as the ‘First Born.’
My church is called The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, (Latter Day Saints, to differentiate us from the Meridian of Time Saints in Christ day)
(Head Quarters of this church is in Jerusalem) Acts 15:2…go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question.
Head Quarters of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, Salt Lake City, Utah
(Jesus prays and chooses twelve and names them Apostles)…Luke 6:12-16…Simon, (Peter), Andrew, James, John, Phillip, Bartholonew, Matthew, Thomas, James, Simon, Judas, Judas (Iscariot).
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints has Twelve Apostles
So important was the Apostleship (When one of these Apostles died he was replaced through prayer, showing without Apostles, no Church ) Acts 1: 11:22-26
When an Apostle dies in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, they are replaced.
(When a problem arose in any branch of this church, it went to the Apostles / buildings in this church called “Branches”) Acts 15:1-2,4-5,7-29…Peter, Barnabas, Paul, James, Simeon, talked about the problem. The dispute is settled. Letters are written by the Apostles to these three branches of the church (Antioch branch, Syria branch, and Cilicia branch). Paul and Barnabus are chosen by the Apostles to deliver these letters. Two leaders of the Antioch branch then speaks words of instruction.
In the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, all major problems are directed to the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles. Letters are sent from church headquarters to all branches of the church.
(This Church is a proselytizing Church, Apostles chooses missionaries, so the Apostles can focus on other things) Acts 6:3,6…Wherefore, brethren, look ye out among you seven men of honest report, full of the Holy Ghost and wisdom, whom we may appoint over this business. These apostles prayed and then laid hands on them.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints has 15 Nation Wide Missionary Training centers globally. Just from the Missionary Training Center in Provo, Utah, three thousand missionaries go out monthly around the world. Following the pattern Jesus Christ established in the New Testament, full-time missionaries are sent out two by two (see Mark 6:7). They spend all day, every day, with an assigned companion (once they depart the MTC, companion changes occur every couple of months).
[h=1]Luke 10:1…The New Testament Church had an Office of Seventy[/h]
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints has an Office of the Seventy, Seventy men, their mission is to proselytize and handle other matters.
Ephesians 3:5…This church had, One Lord, One faith, one baptism…………..
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, believes in one Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, teaches the same doctrine of faith globally, and consistent mode of Baptism as entry into the church globally, we teach repentance before Baptism, after Baptism, the laying on of hands to receive the gift of the Holy Ghost (see Acts 2:38.
Ephesians 3:11…The New Testament Church had, prophets, evangelists, pastors, teachers
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints has a prophet, and two counselors, (first presidency in New Testament church, Peter (prophet) James (1[SUP]st[/SUP] counselor) John (2[SUP]nd[/SUP] counselor) we also have evangelists (actually are Patriarchs, who give Patriarchal blessings), (Pastors, actually is a Bishop), and we have several teachers in one branch.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, still believes today, as the great prophet Amos taught to an apostate Israel. Amos 3:7…Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealth his secret unto his servants the prophets.
New Testament church….1 Corinthians 12:27…miracles, gifts of healings, governments, diversity of tongues.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints believes in miracles, gifts of healings, we have a structured governmental church, and diversity of tongues (many nationalities globally who are members, many languages)
(Purpose of this church and members called Saints) Ephesians 3:12…for the perfecting of the Saints, work of the ministry, edifying the body of Christ.
The mission of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, is for the perfecting of the saints, work of the ministry, and for the edifying of the body of Christ.
(What Paul said to New Converts / members of this church called Saints) Ephesians 3:19…ye are no more strangers, foreigners, are now fellow citizens with the Saints and house hold of God.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints members are called Saints.
(Paul compares this church to a building, tells New Converts what the foundation of this church building is) Ephesians 3:20…foundation of apostles, prophets, Jesus Christ is the corner stone. (without these three, this church cannot exist)
The foundation of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is the prophet, Qourom of the twelve Apostles, and Jesus Christ is the corner stone of our church.
(Paul says structure of church is perfect )Ephesian 3:21…all the building fitly framed together, groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, the structure of the church is perfect because Jesus Christ called and organized it.
New Testament Church…1 Timothy 3:1…Office of Bishop
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints has the Office of a Bishop in every Branch of the church globally, and a Bishop over the whole church globally.
1 Peter 2:5….This church has a Royal priesthood, is spiritual, offers spiritual sacrifices, is accepted by God through Jesus Christ, members of this church is a peculiar people to others, and is a holy nation………………………
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, males hold the Priesthood of Aaron, and the Melchezidek Priesthood.
[h=1]New Testament Church….Philip 1:1; 1 Tim3:8,10-13…Office of Deacon[/h]
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, has the office of Deacon.
New Testament Church…James 5:14…This church has Elders; who lay their hands on sick peoples heads and anoints their head with oil and pronounces a blessing.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, all males holding the Melchezidec priesthood are called Elders and male missionaries are called elders, anoints a sick person’s head with olive oil, and then lays their hand upon the person’s head and pronounces a blessing by the power of the Melchezidec priesthood as lead by the holy ghost, and ends in the name of Jesus Christ.
Rom. 15: 26… (The New Testament Church had a welfare program with-in the church)…..For it hath pleased them of Macedonia and Achaia to make a certain contribution for the poor saints which are at Jerusalem.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints has a welfare program of the church provided from the Fast offerings of each member of the church. Once a month each member of the church fasts for 24 hours, (if their health allows them) and gives money in-place of the dinner meal of the day in Fast offerings. It is this money that is used to care for the Saints who need it, and others outside of the Church. The Church has a global welfare program also.
The earliest Christians were “continually in the temple, praising and blessing God” Luke 24:52-53; “
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, has Temples built unto Jesus Christ, the Lord’s house, members go to these temples to praise and bless God by partaking of ordinaces.
Apostle Paul saw a vision of Christ while praying in the Temple, indicating
the temple was a house of revelation for the earlier Christians Acts 22:17-18
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints considers it’s Temples as a house of revelation, instruction, and teaching’s. The Jews called the Temple the gateway to heaven, the Latter Day Saints agree with them wholeheardedly.
[h=1]The early Saints Baptized by proxy for the dead, 1 Corinthians 15:29[/h]
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, Baptize our kindred who have gone on before us, by proxy, in the House of the Lord (Temple)
James pointed out what pure religion is. James 1:26…If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man’s religion is vain.
James 1:27…Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this to visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
In conclusion: We claim a restoration of the First Century Church. We do not claim a ‘Reformation.”
My back ground: I was born into the Roman Catholic Church. I later embraced Judaism with my Father. I then was baptized into The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. I have been a member now for 25 years. God bless you.
[h=2]New Testament Church Compared to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints[/h]
(Name of this Church) Hebrews 12:23…Church of the “First Born” (Jesus Christ) Jesus was referred to as the ‘First Born.’
My church is called The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, (Latter Day Saints, to differentiate us from the Meridian of Time Saints in Christ day)
(Head Quarters of this church is in Jerusalem) Acts 15:2…go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question.
Head Quarters of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, Salt Lake City, Utah
(Jesus prays and chooses twelve and names them Apostles)…Luke 6:12-16…Simon, (Peter), Andrew, James, John, Phillip, Bartholonew, Matthew, Thomas, James, Simon, Judas, Judas (Iscariot).
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints has Twelve Apostles
So important was the Apostleship (When one of these Apostles died he was replaced through prayer, showing without Apostles, no Church ) Acts 1: 11:22-26
When an Apostle dies in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, they are replaced.
(When a problem arose in any branch of this church, it went to the Apostles / buildings in this church called “Branches”) Acts 15:1-2,4-5,7-29…Peter, Barnabas, Paul, James, Simeon, talked about the problem. The dispute is settled. Letters are written by the Apostles to these three branches of the church (Antioch branch, Syria branch, and Cilicia branch). Paul and Barnabus are chosen by the Apostles to deliver these letters. Two leaders of the Antioch branch then speaks words of instruction.
In the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, all major problems are directed to the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles. Letters are sent from church headquarters to all branches of the church.
(This Church is a proselytizing Church, Apostles chooses missionaries, so the Apostles can focus on other things) Acts 6:3,6…Wherefore, brethren, look ye out among you seven men of honest report, full of the Holy Ghost and wisdom, whom we may appoint over this business. These apostles prayed and then laid hands on them.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints has 15 Nation Wide Missionary Training centers globally. Just from the Missionary Training Center in Provo, Utah, three thousand missionaries go out monthly around the world. Following the pattern Jesus Christ established in the New Testament, full-time missionaries are sent out two by two (see Mark 6:7). They spend all day, every day, with an assigned companion (once they depart the MTC, companion changes occur every couple of months).
[h=1]Luke 10:1…The New Testament Church had an Office of Seventy[/h]
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints has an Office of the Seventy, Seventy men, their mission is to proselytize and handle other matters.
Ephesians 3:5…This church had, One Lord, One faith, one baptism…………..
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, believes in one Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, teaches the same doctrine of faith globally, and consistent mode of Baptism as entry into the church globally, we teach repentance before Baptism, after Baptism, the laying on of hands to receive the gift of the Holy Ghost (see Acts 2:38.
Ephesians 3:11…The New Testament Church had, prophets, evangelists, pastors, teachers
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints has a prophet, and two counselors, (first presidency in New Testament church, Peter (prophet) James (1[SUP]st[/SUP] counselor) John (2[SUP]nd[/SUP] counselor) we also have evangelists (actually are Patriarchs, who give Patriarchal blessings), (Pastors, actually is a Bishop), and we have several teachers in one branch.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, still believes today, as the great prophet Amos taught to an apostate Israel. Amos 3:7…Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealth his secret unto his servants the prophets.
New Testament church….1 Corinthians 12:27…miracles, gifts of healings, governments, diversity of tongues.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints believes in miracles, gifts of healings, we have a structured governmental church, and diversity of tongues (many nationalities globally who are members, many languages)
(Purpose of this church and members called Saints) Ephesians 3:12…for the perfecting of the Saints, work of the ministry, edifying the body of Christ.
The mission of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, is for the perfecting of the saints, work of the ministry, and for the edifying of the body of Christ.
(What Paul said to New Converts / members of this church called Saints) Ephesians 3:19…ye are no more strangers, foreigners, are now fellow citizens with the Saints and house hold of God.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints members are called Saints.
(Paul compares this church to a building, tells New Converts what the foundation of this church building is) Ephesians 3:20…foundation of apostles, prophets, Jesus Christ is the corner stone. (without these three, this church cannot exist)
The foundation of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is the prophet, Qourom of the twelve Apostles, and Jesus Christ is the corner stone of our church.
(Paul says structure of church is perfect )Ephesian 3:21…all the building fitly framed together, groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, the structure of the church is perfect because Jesus Christ called and organized it.
New Testament Church…1 Timothy 3:1…Office of Bishop
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints has the Office of a Bishop in every Branch of the church globally, and a Bishop over the whole church globally.
1 Peter 2:5….This church has a Royal priesthood, is spiritual, offers spiritual sacrifices, is accepted by God through Jesus Christ, members of this church is a peculiar people to others, and is a holy nation………………………
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, males hold the Priesthood of Aaron, and the Melchezidek Priesthood.
[h=1]New Testament Church….Philip 1:1; 1 Tim3:8,10-13…Office of Deacon[/h]
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, has the office of Deacon.
New Testament Church…James 5:14…This church has Elders; who lay their hands on sick peoples heads and anoints their head with oil and pronounces a blessing.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, all males holding the Melchezidec priesthood are called Elders and male missionaries are called elders, anoints a sick person’s head with olive oil, and then lays their hand upon the person’s head and pronounces a blessing by the power of the Melchezidec priesthood as lead by the holy ghost, and ends in the name of Jesus Christ.
Rom. 15: 26… (The New Testament Church had a welfare program with-in the church)…..For it hath pleased them of Macedonia and Achaia to make a certain contribution for the poor saints which are at Jerusalem.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints has a welfare program of the church provided from the Fast offerings of each member of the church. Once a month each member of the church fasts for 24 hours, (if their health allows them) and gives money in-place of the dinner meal of the day in Fast offerings. It is this money that is used to care for the Saints who need it, and others outside of the Church. The Church has a global welfare program also.
The earliest Christians were “continually in the temple, praising and blessing God” Luke 24:52-53; “
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, has Temples built unto Jesus Christ, the Lord’s house, members go to these temples to praise and bless God by partaking of ordinaces.
Apostle Paul saw a vision of Christ while praying in the Temple, indicating
the temple was a house of revelation for the earlier Christians Acts 22:17-18
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints considers it’s Temples as a house of revelation, instruction, and teaching’s. The Jews called the Temple the gateway to heaven, the Latter Day Saints agree with them wholeheardedly.
[h=1]The early Saints Baptized by proxy for the dead, 1 Corinthians 15:29[/h]
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, Baptize our kindred who have gone on before us, by proxy, in the House of the Lord (Temple)
James pointed out what pure religion is. James 1:26…If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man’s religion is vain.
James 1:27…Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this to visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
In conclusion: We claim a restoration of the First Century Church. We do not claim a ‘Reformation.”
My back ground: I was born into the Roman Catholic Church. I later embraced Judaism with my Father. I then was baptized into The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. I have been a member now for 25 years. God bless you.
VCO,
[h=2]New Testament Church Compared to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints[/h]
(Name of this Church) Hebrews 12:23…Church of the “First Born” (Jesus Christ) Jesus was referred to as the ‘First Born.’
My church is called The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, (Latter Day Saints, to differentiate us from the Meridian of Time Saints in Christ day)
(Head Quarters of this church is in Jerusalem) Acts 15:2…go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question.
Head Quarters of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, Salt Lake City, Utah
(Jesus prays and chooses twelve and names them Apostles)…Luke 6:12-16…Simon, (Peter), Andrew, James, John, Phillip, Bartholonew, Matthew, Thomas, James, Simon, Judas, Judas (Iscariot).
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints has Twelve Apostles
So important was the Apostleship (When one of these Apostles died he was replaced through prayer, showing without Apostles, no Church ) Acts 1: 11:22-26
When an Apostle dies in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, they are replaced.
(When a problem arose in any branch of this church, it went to the Apostles / buildings in this church called “Branches”) Acts 15:1-2,4-5,7-29…Peter, Barnabas, Paul, James, Simeon, talked about the problem. The dispute is settled. Letters are written by the Apostles to these three branches of the church (Antioch branch, Syria branch, and Cilicia branch). Paul and Barnabus are chosen by the Apostles to deliver these letters. Two leaders of the Antioch branch then speaks words of instruction.
In the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, all major problems are directed to the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles. Letters are sent from church headquarters to all branches of the church.
(This Church is a proselytizing Church, Apostles chooses missionaries, so the Apostles can focus on other things) Acts 6:3,6…Wherefore, brethren, look ye out among you seven men of honest report, full of the Holy Ghost and wisdom, whom we may appoint over this business. These apostles prayed and then laid hands on them.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints has 15 Nation Wide Missionary Training centers globally. Just from the Missionary Training Center in Provo, Utah, three thousand missionaries go out monthly around the world. Following the pattern Jesus Christ established in the New Testament, full-time missionaries are sent out two by two (see Mark 6:7). They spend all day, every day, with an assigned companion (once they depart the MTC, companion changes occur every couple of months).
[h=1]Luke 10:1…The New Testament Church had an Office of Seventy[/h]
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints has an Office of the Seventy, Seventy men, their mission is to proselytize and handle other matters.
Ephesians 3:5…This church had, One Lord, One faith, one baptism…………..
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, believes in one Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, teaches the same doctrine of faith globally, and consistent mode of Baptism as entry into the church globally, we teach repentance before Baptism, after Baptism, the laying on of hands to receive the gift of the Holy Ghost (see Acts 2:38.
Ephesians 3:11…The New Testament Church had, prophets, evangelists, pastors, teachers
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints has a prophet, and two counselors, (first presidency in New Testament church, Peter (prophet) James (1[SUP]st[/SUP] counselor) John (2[SUP]nd[/SUP] counselor) we also have evangelists (actually are Patriarchs, who give Patriarchal blessings), (Pastors, actually is a Bishop), and we have several teachers in one branch.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, still believes today, as the great prophet Amos taught to an apostate Israel. Amos 3:7…Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealth his secret unto his servants the prophets.
New Testament church….1 Corinthians 12:27…miracles, gifts of healings, governments, and diversity of tongues.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints believes in miracles, gifts of healings, we have a structured governmental church, and diversity of tongues (many nationalities globally who are members, many languages)
(Purpose of this church and members called Saints) Ephesians 3:12…for the perfecting of the Saints, work of the ministry, edifying the body of Christ.
The mission of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, is for the perfecting of the saints, work of the ministry, and for the edifying of the body of Christ.
(What Paul said to New Converts / members of this church called Saints) Ephesians 3:19…ye are no more strangers, foreigners, are now fellow citizens with the Saints and house hold of God.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints members are called Saints.
(Paul compares this church to a building, tells New Converts what the foundation of this church building is) Ephesians 3:20…foundation of apostles, prophets, Jesus Christ is the corner stone. (without these three, this church cannot exist)
The foundation of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is the prophet, Qourom of the twelve Apostles, and Jesus Christ is the corner stone of our church.
(Paul says structure of church is perfect )Ephesian 3:21…all the building fitly framed together, groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, the structure of the church is perfect because Jesus Christ called and organized it.
New Testament Church…1 Timothy 3:1…Office of Bishop
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints has the Office of a Bishop in every Branch of the church globally, and a Bishop over the whole church globally.
1 Peter 2:5….This church has a Royal priesthood, is spiritual, offers spiritual sacrifices, is accepted by God through Jesus Christ, members of this church is a peculiar people to others, and is a holy nation………………………
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, males hold the Priesthood of Aaron, and the Melchezidek Priesthood.
[h=1]New Testament Church….Philip 1:1; 1 Tim3:8,10-13…Office of Deacon[/h]
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, has the office of Deacon.
New Testament Church…James 5:14…This church has Elders; who lay their hands on sick peoples heads and anoints their head with oil and pronounces a blessing.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, all males holding the Melchezidec priesthood are called Elders and male missionaries are called elders, anoints a sick person’s head with olive oil, and then lays their hand upon the person’s head and pronounces a blessing by the power of the Melchezidec priesthood as lead by the holy ghost, and ends in the name of Jesus Christ.
Rom. 15: 26… (The New Testament Church had a welfare program with-in the church)…..For it hath pleased them of Macedonia and Achaia to make a certain contribution for the poor saints which are at Jerusalem.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints has a welfare program of the church provided from the Fast offerings of each member of the church. Once a month each member of the church fasts for 24 hours, (if their health allows them) and gives money in-place of the dinner meal of the day in Fast offerings. It is this money that is used to care for the Saints who need it, and others outside of the Church. The Church has a global welfare program also.
The earliest Christians were “continually in the temple, praising and blessing God” Luke 24:52-53; “
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, has Temples built unto Jesus Christ, the Lord’s house, members go to these temples to praise and bless God by partaking of ordinaces.
Apostle Paul saw a vision of Christ while praying in the Temple, indicating
the temple was a house of revelation for the earlier Christians Acts 22:17-18
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints considers it’s Temples as a house of revelation, instruction, and teaching’s. The Jews called the Temple the gateway to heaven, the Latter Day Saints agree with them wholeheardedly.
[h=1]The early Saints Baptized by proxy for the dead, 1 Corinthians 15:29[/h]
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, Baptize our kindred who have gone on before us, by proxy, in the House of the Lord (Temple)
James pointed out what pure religion is. James 1:26…If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man’s religion is vain.
James 1:27…Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this to visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
In conclusion: We claim a restoration of the First Century Church. We do not claim a ‘Reformation.”
My back ground: I was born into the Roman Catholic Church. I later embraced Judaism with my Father. I then was baptized into The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. I have been a member now for 25 years. God bless you.
[h=2]New Testament Church Compared to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints[/h]
(Name of this Church) Hebrews 12:23…Church of the “First Born” (Jesus Christ) Jesus was referred to as the ‘First Born.’
My church is called The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, (Latter Day Saints, to differentiate us from the Meridian of Time Saints in Christ day)
(Head Quarters of this church is in Jerusalem) Acts 15:2…go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question.
Head Quarters of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, Salt Lake City, Utah
(Jesus prays and chooses twelve and names them Apostles)…Luke 6:12-16…Simon, (Peter), Andrew, James, John, Phillip, Bartholonew, Matthew, Thomas, James, Simon, Judas, Judas (Iscariot).
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints has Twelve Apostles
So important was the Apostleship (When one of these Apostles died he was replaced through prayer, showing without Apostles, no Church ) Acts 1: 11:22-26
When an Apostle dies in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, they are replaced.
(When a problem arose in any branch of this church, it went to the Apostles / buildings in this church called “Branches”) Acts 15:1-2,4-5,7-29…Peter, Barnabas, Paul, James, Simeon, talked about the problem. The dispute is settled. Letters are written by the Apostles to these three branches of the church (Antioch branch, Syria branch, and Cilicia branch). Paul and Barnabus are chosen by the Apostles to deliver these letters. Two leaders of the Antioch branch then speaks words of instruction.
In the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, all major problems are directed to the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles. Letters are sent from church headquarters to all branches of the church.
(This Church is a proselytizing Church, Apostles chooses missionaries, so the Apostles can focus on other things) Acts 6:3,6…Wherefore, brethren, look ye out among you seven men of honest report, full of the Holy Ghost and wisdom, whom we may appoint over this business. These apostles prayed and then laid hands on them.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints has 15 Nation Wide Missionary Training centers globally. Just from the Missionary Training Center in Provo, Utah, three thousand missionaries go out monthly around the world. Following the pattern Jesus Christ established in the New Testament, full-time missionaries are sent out two by two (see Mark 6:7). They spend all day, every day, with an assigned companion (once they depart the MTC, companion changes occur every couple of months).
[h=1]Luke 10:1…The New Testament Church had an Office of Seventy[/h]
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints has an Office of the Seventy, Seventy men, their mission is to proselytize and handle other matters.
Ephesians 3:5…This church had, One Lord, One faith, one baptism…………..
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, believes in one Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, teaches the same doctrine of faith globally, and consistent mode of Baptism as entry into the church globally, we teach repentance before Baptism, after Baptism, the laying on of hands to receive the gift of the Holy Ghost (see Acts 2:38.
Ephesians 3:11…The New Testament Church had, prophets, evangelists, pastors, teachers
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints has a prophet, and two counselors, (first presidency in New Testament church, Peter (prophet) James (1[SUP]st[/SUP] counselor) John (2[SUP]nd[/SUP] counselor) we also have evangelists (actually are Patriarchs, who give Patriarchal blessings), (Pastors, actually is a Bishop), and we have several teachers in one branch.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, still believes today, as the great prophet Amos taught to an apostate Israel. Amos 3:7…Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealth his secret unto his servants the prophets.
New Testament church….1 Corinthians 12:27…miracles, gifts of healings, governments, and diversity of tongues.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints believes in miracles, gifts of healings, we have a structured governmental church, and diversity of tongues (many nationalities globally who are members, many languages)
(Purpose of this church and members called Saints) Ephesians 3:12…for the perfecting of the Saints, work of the ministry, edifying the body of Christ.
The mission of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, is for the perfecting of the saints, work of the ministry, and for the edifying of the body of Christ.
(What Paul said to New Converts / members of this church called Saints) Ephesians 3:19…ye are no more strangers, foreigners, are now fellow citizens with the Saints and house hold of God.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints members are called Saints.
(Paul compares this church to a building, tells New Converts what the foundation of this church building is) Ephesians 3:20…foundation of apostles, prophets, Jesus Christ is the corner stone. (without these three, this church cannot exist)
The foundation of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is the prophet, Qourom of the twelve Apostles, and Jesus Christ is the corner stone of our church.
(Paul says structure of church is perfect )Ephesian 3:21…all the building fitly framed together, groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, the structure of the church is perfect because Jesus Christ called and organized it.
New Testament Church…1 Timothy 3:1…Office of Bishop
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints has the Office of a Bishop in every Branch of the church globally, and a Bishop over the whole church globally.
1 Peter 2:5….This church has a Royal priesthood, is spiritual, offers spiritual sacrifices, is accepted by God through Jesus Christ, members of this church is a peculiar people to others, and is a holy nation………………………
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, males hold the Priesthood of Aaron, and the Melchezidek Priesthood.
[h=1]New Testament Church….Philip 1:1; 1 Tim3:8,10-13…Office of Deacon[/h]
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, has the office of Deacon.
New Testament Church…James 5:14…This church has Elders; who lay their hands on sick peoples heads and anoints their head with oil and pronounces a blessing.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, all males holding the Melchezidec priesthood are called Elders and male missionaries are called elders, anoints a sick person’s head with olive oil, and then lays their hand upon the person’s head and pronounces a blessing by the power of the Melchezidec priesthood as lead by the holy ghost, and ends in the name of Jesus Christ.
Rom. 15: 26… (The New Testament Church had a welfare program with-in the church)…..For it hath pleased them of Macedonia and Achaia to make a certain contribution for the poor saints which are at Jerusalem.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints has a welfare program of the church provided from the Fast offerings of each member of the church. Once a month each member of the church fasts for 24 hours, (if their health allows them) and gives money in-place of the dinner meal of the day in Fast offerings. It is this money that is used to care for the Saints who need it, and others outside of the Church. The Church has a global welfare program also.
The earliest Christians were “continually in the temple, praising and blessing God” Luke 24:52-53; “
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, has Temples built unto Jesus Christ, the Lord’s house, members go to these temples to praise and bless God by partaking of ordinaces.
Apostle Paul saw a vision of Christ while praying in the Temple, indicating
the temple was a house of revelation for the earlier Christians Acts 22:17-18
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints considers it’s Temples as a house of revelation, instruction, and teaching’s. The Jews called the Temple the gateway to heaven, the Latter Day Saints agree with them wholeheardedly.
[h=1]The early Saints Baptized by proxy for the dead, 1 Corinthians 15:29[/h]
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, Baptize our kindred who have gone on before us, by proxy, in the House of the Lord (Temple)
James pointed out what pure religion is. James 1:26…If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man’s religion is vain.
James 1:27…Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this to visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
In conclusion: We claim a restoration of the First Century Church. We do not claim a ‘Reformation.”
My back ground: I was born into the Roman Catholic Church. I later embraced Judaism with my Father. I then was baptized into The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. I have been a member now for 25 years. God bless you.
Jimbone:
I was born into the Roman Catholic Church. My Mother was Catholic and my Father was a Jew. I went to a Catholic School up to the 8[SUP]th[/SUP] grade. I grew up in a town in Michigan where the Roman Catholic Religion was dominant. When I started High School I embraced Judaism with my Father; no more believing in Jesus Christ. I wore my Yalmukah all the time and other kids would make fun and say look at the beanie cap that kid is wearing. I was called a ‘Christ Killer’ and other disparaging names. I would hear sick jokes about the holocaust.
After high school I moved to California and started college. That is where my life changed forever. I met two missionaries who knocked on my door, they were clean cut wearing white shirts and black tags. They introduced themselves as Elder Deqoutro from Boston and Elder Grinder was from a little town in Mississippi. They were missionaries from ‘The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.’
They started to teach me and as time went by I remember having feelings of ‘What will my friends think back home? What would my parents think? What would my siblings think? I remember telling the missionaries that we had to use the Old Testament if I was going to read the Book of Mormon. After six months the missionaries told me that I needed to find out for myself and pray about it.
I remember going to my bedroom and kneeling at my bed side. I started to pray in the manner that the missionaries had taught me. I remember just breaking down and crying asking Heavenly Father if the Book of Mormon was true? Was Joseph Smith a true prophet? Did Jesus Christ really exist? I then decided to just sit still and listen. That is when a peace came over me and I felt the Holy Ghost witness to my spirit that everything I had just prayed for was true. I was baptized into The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and I have been a member now for 25 years.
I then returned home to Michigan where all hell broke loose. My father and Mother could not understand why out of all the churches did I join this one? My Father’s side of the family who were all Jews totally freaked out on me. My friends made fun of me including my siblings. Both of my parents are passed away and till this day my twin brother will not speak to me because I embraced Mormonism. I have paid a high price for being a disciple of Jesus Christ in his church. Jesus himself said that we would be persecuted for his name sake. I wanted to share this with you to let you know that we should try and build bridges of understanding instead of fighting over who is right and who is wrong? Jesus said this so eloquently ‘Ye know that ye are my disciples when ye have love one for another.’ (Paraphrased).
I was born into the Roman Catholic Church. My Mother was Catholic and my Father was a Jew. I went to a Catholic School up to the 8[SUP]th[/SUP] grade. I grew up in a town in Michigan where the Roman Catholic Religion was dominant. When I started High School I embraced Judaism with my Father; no more believing in Jesus Christ. I wore my Yalmukah all the time and other kids would make fun and say look at the beanie cap that kid is wearing. I was called a ‘Christ Killer’ and other disparaging names. I would hear sick jokes about the holocaust.
After high school I moved to California and started college. That is where my life changed forever. I met two missionaries who knocked on my door, they were clean cut wearing white shirts and black tags. They introduced themselves as Elder Deqoutro from Boston and Elder Grinder was from a little town in Mississippi. They were missionaries from ‘The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.’
They started to teach me and as time went by I remember having feelings of ‘What will my friends think back home? What would my parents think? What would my siblings think? I remember telling the missionaries that we had to use the Old Testament if I was going to read the Book of Mormon. After six months the missionaries told me that I needed to find out for myself and pray about it.
I remember going to my bedroom and kneeling at my bed side. I started to pray in the manner that the missionaries had taught me. I remember just breaking down and crying asking Heavenly Father if the Book of Mormon was true? Was Joseph Smith a true prophet? Did Jesus Christ really exist? I then decided to just sit still and listen. That is when a peace came over me and I felt the Holy Ghost witness to my spirit that everything I had just prayed for was true. I was baptized into The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and I have been a member now for 25 years.
I then returned home to Michigan where all hell broke loose. My father and Mother could not understand why out of all the churches did I join this one? My Father’s side of the family who were all Jews totally freaked out on me. My friends made fun of me including my siblings. Both of my parents are passed away and till this day my twin brother will not speak to me because I embraced Mormonism. I have paid a high price for being a disciple of Jesus Christ in his church. Jesus himself said that we would be persecuted for his name sake. I wanted to share this with you to let you know that we should try and build bridges of understanding instead of fighting over who is right and who is wrong? Jesus said this so eloquently ‘Ye know that ye are my disciples when ye have love one for another.’ (Paraphrased).
It looks like you have done some study on this subject and I appreciate your study. But your study seems to be one-sided. Now I would like you to consider studying this subject again as if you believed it were true and give me all the scriptures in the bible that would support it. Then your study will be complete, but not until you do this will you be justified in your belief.
Let me give you an example:
1 Kings 22:19&21
19 ...I saw the Lord sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven standing on his right hand and on his left.
21 And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the Lord, and said, I will persuade him...
Here we are given a special insight that there are spirit beings around God and his throne. So give me an explanation as to where you think these spirits came from and just who they were? Are these spirit children of God?
Job 38:3-7
3 Gird up now thy loins like a man, for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.
4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? Declare, if thou hast understanding.
5 Who hath laid the measure thereof, if thou knowest? Or who hath stretched the line upon it?
6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? Or who laid the corner stone thereof,
7 When the morning stars sang together, and the sons of God shouted for joy.
Interesting scripture where God is asking Job where he was when He created the World. Job does not answer, but the sons of God shouted for joy when they saw the earth being prepared for them. Who are these sons of God who were with God and witnessing the creation of the earth. Where did they come from? Could they be spirit children of God?
I believe I have the answer to that question and there are many other scriptures that let me know that there are spirit children of God.
So justify your first study that says there are not spirit children by locating scriptures that say there are spirit children of God. If you find none, then you can say with confidence, I have made my decision, what about you.
Well now I can see why you would be so concerned. The Mormon population is only around 60% and falling. It is because Utah is a beautiful state geologically, and the general population are good people. So our public schools are still decent, the population as a whole is not high, it is mostly made up of Republicans, we have a pretty high college graduation rate that gives us a good educated work force. So all in all, not a bad place to live.
But not 98% Mormon. I wonder if you are that far off on the Mormon population, how bout your other statistics. Doesn't matter because you can never get to the real bottom line, and if you don't get there you can't say anything good or bad about the Mormon population.
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why do you say the transition between the two stories is hard to follow? one story ends, the new one starts at 2:4 These are the generations... that phrase occurs several times in Genesis, marking a new section... why do you say corruption has taken place? I agree there's lots of invisible spirits around...
hi Mosiah... I'm glad you're here! VCO may not be checking this thread anymore... that's the impression I got from his last few posts here...
continuing
22 And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said , I will go forth , and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth , and do so.
23 Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee.
God sending a deceiving spirit does not mean that he is sending a spirit child that was yet to be born in the flesh. He was merely sending a demonic force and allowing it to perform what was natural to it--to do something that was part of the greater plan of God. God has all power.
Verse 7 mentioning the sons of God can be directly equated with Genesis 6:1-4 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose . And the LORD said , My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh : yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
The original Hebrew text calls the offspring of the sons of God "nephilim." Angels can take human form when we read the story of Lot in Sodom. In both passages of Job and Genesis, it is clearly referring to angels created by God. The writing in Job is referring to angels that are still faithful to God in heaven. In Genesis the "sons of God" is referring to fallen angels who had sex with the daughters of men giving birth to giants. Even after the flood during Noah's day, Goliath was also a mighty warrior and visions and more than likely a "nephilm."
Even though one reads in Jerimiah 1:5 "Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations" this is a description of God's divine providence and foreknowledge.
Concerning Job, God was clearly putting the point across that Job had no idea what happened before he as born while God was creating everything. The only one who existed before His birth was the ONLY begotten Son of God. There is a reason that the Bible says it clearly that way.
"For by him were all things created , that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist." Colossians 1:16-17
hi again... Daniel606 and I are talking about spirits before birth... I invite you to join us... we can also talk about one of the subjects from your posts...
hi again... Daniel606 and I are talking about spirits before birth... I invite you to join us... we can also talk about one of the subjects from your posts...
I like the approach of seeing if you can show the other side... I first encountered it in myself when talking to some jw's...I knew I could show they were wrong, but if I was in their shoes, and wanted to show I was wrong, could I do it? the subject began take on more layers after that...
I understand what your saying, and I agree to the world Mormonism looks real good, but since when do we judge things by worldly standards. Do you agree that we don't "earn" our way into heaven? So to God aren't all their good works as filthy rags? If you don't have truth it matters not how good you "act". That will not save you, only the 1 truth through the blood of Jesus Christ can, and that's not the same Jesus that the Mormon church teaches. If you don't know what I'm talking about I would suggest you look a little deeper, the whole LDS church from the very start was a Joseph Smith con job, period. Not that it isn't a great con job, but a con job all the same. Many today don't like to say offensive things and use Jesus's love as an excuse not to judge righteously, which He never commands us not to do BTW, but I assure you Jesus would have spoke against the LDS without a doubt, it's false and sending souls to hell, and not hard at all to prove it false if you just look. There are going to be a bunch of "nice people" in hell and that's scary to me.
Do you agree that we don't "earn" our way into heaven? Yes I do
You don't have to try and convince me of what you don't know about me. If I thought that LDS did not have certain things about their doctrine that I presently disagree and deem as totally incorrect, I would be one. I have already studied much about them since I have Mormon relatives. They read the same Bible I do but their big mistake is adding the "Book of Mormon" to their doctrinal beliefs. I admire them for adhering to the law of God however. As you suggested to me, would you be so kind as to read more of what I posted about "Spirit Children?" Thanks
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Yes I read what you wrote about the spirit children and I think you are mistaken about when they may exist. Yes God knew us before we were physically born, not because we existed before then, but because He is timeless and knows the whole story at the same time. He still sees Adam and Eve in the garden as clearly as He sees us now, and He sees the end as well. The way the Spirit guides my understanding is, we don't exist as spirit children in heaven in the way Mormon teaching suggest. And as far as the fallen angels coming into the daughters of men, they were able to do this because they gave up their heavenly bodies or the "first estates" when they rebelled against God.
Jude1:6 "And the angels who kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day."
All this ties into the book of Enoch as well, but I don't see how it proves the con man Joseph Smith story was true.
One more thing, when make comments like this, "I think it's the way they view all of God's word rather than part of God's word even though I don't agree with their overall doctrine", it's very dangerous. You can't make God out to be how you think he is, or make Him conform to what you think is right. That is why He put His word on earth for us to follow. Just because you think His truth doesn't line up to what you perceive His love to be, does NOT mean you get to mold it to fit what you deem righteous. You have to go strait to the word with these questions and let the word answer them, and none of what you posted was about our spirits existing before our physical births. Once again no matter how you look at Mormonism it cannot be confirmed, not by scripture, not by archeology, not by historical record, not by genetics, not by anything at all. So we can't just make truth, that's one of the things I've found amazing about Christianity, is that it welcomes these questions and has proved to be accurate over and over again. That's truth, it's a matter of heaven and hell, and our feelings don't change it. These aren't just flavor of the day belief systems that make better lives for ourselves so whatever we choose is right for us, and we can't choose wrong. The conversion of our hearts through the POWER of the Holy Spirit is an actual tangible event that truly reveals the one true God to that person forever changing them into a new creature. Not a decision to act real good to impress the world around us. True biblical Christianity is the only one of these religious systems that has the power to do that. Any good works can ONLY come after this regeneration of our being through the blood of our Almighty Savior Jesus Christ, and these works are not to EARN salvation, but in gratitude for it. I hope this makes sense and realize it's a hard message to accept, but that's why Christians have a history of being burned at the stake, this world hate His because He tells this world it's ways are wrong.
It's obvious you didn't comprehend what I was saying. That's fine, I still stand behind what I said. Good day.