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We might never get the full story or evidences of 9/11 in our lifetime. We may never know why Building 7 collapsed.

However, I am interested in whomever thinks 9/11 was an inside job, if they could please explain this interview taken shortly after 9/11 in which not only does Osama bin Laden confess, but he details his means, motives, details into his planning of this attack, etc. All of which align with the narrative that indeed 9/11 was perpetrated by al-Qaeda for the reason of islam.

You better watch this video

Bill work as intelligent agent for more than 30 years and the last 18 years in high position he give a briefing to the president about intelligent world situation and he has access to CIA and FBI due to his duty.

I watched some of his video, this is one of them.

In June 2001 he watched cnn interview Bin Laden, he believe it is a drama. Bin Laden have been wanted for years as terrorist for american asset ( red, I believe in Yemen or other country) CNN interview him and CIA not able to catch him.
He said if he has budget and resource like CIA, he will have Bin Laden in custody within 2 weeks.

In other video he said, in the intelligent community, there are a broker. If you want Bin Laden just pay the broker and he will turn it to you in no more than 2 weeks.

It is a drama. to fool public.

He said Bin Laden is CIA agent.
[video=youtube_share;V5tmogd9xp4]http://youtu.be/V5tmogd9xp4[/video]
 
Thank you for your own smoking gun observation, Lizathrose. Haphazard was what the fall should have been, but it wasn't. In any haphazard fall of several tons, part of the building would have held, & the upper area above the fire, unburned, virtually untouched, would have fell over the side of the collapse in one piece....but it didn't. Thank you for your observation.:D

Misconstruing my post to imply that the tower's collapse in general was "haphazard" isn't doing you any favors, and neither is your complete lack of any explanation whatsoever as to why the vast majority of the structure would've held when taking into consideration its structural design and integrity under extreme stress. Your infantile behavior is even worse, and it frankly reflects poorly on your sense of character and integrity.

Of course, it's worth mentioning that you've completely failed to produce anything resembling a rebuttal to what's been stated in my previous posts aside from your own intuition, which is utterly devoid of scientific merit.
 
However, I am interested in whomever thinks 9/11 was an inside job, if they could please explain this interview taken shortly after 9/11 in which not only does Osama bin Laden confess, but he details his means, motives, details into his planning of this attack, etc. All of which align with the narrative that indeed 9/11 was perpetrated by al-Qaeda for the reason of islam.

[video=youtube;rw_7AibkMRY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rw_7AibkMRY[/video]
 
[video=youtube;rw_7AibkMRY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rw_7AibkMRY[/video]

The video's title alone would be enough to dissuade any rational person. I'm still waiting for a response to several of my previous posts, by the way. You've neglected to respond to them, and you've especially neglected to offer an analytically reasonable refutation of any sort.
 
Liza and Rachel. Here is a petition that was signed by 2,247 Architects and Engineers.

It reads"

"On Behalf of the People of the United States of America, the undersigned Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth and affiliates hereby petition for, and demand, a truly independent investigation with subpoena power in order to uncover the full truth surrounding the events of 9/11/01 - specifically the collapses of the World Trade Center Towers and Building 7. We believe there is sufficient doubt about the official story and therefore the 9/11 investigation must be re-opened and must include a full inquiry into the possible use of explosives that might have been the actual cause of the destruction of the World Trade Center Twin Towers and Building 7."

You can further your nonsensical arguments with any or all of them. The full list of who, what and where can be found on the link below.

AE911Truth Petition Signers
 
Liza and Rachel. Here is a petition that was signed by 2,247 Architects and Engineers.


It reads"


"On Behalf of the ]\ple of the United States of America, the undersigned Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth and affiliates hereby petition for, and demand, a truly independent investigation with subpoena power in order to uncover the full truth surrounding the events of 9/11/01 - specifically the collapses of the World Trade Center Towers and Building 7. We believe there is sufficient doubt about the official story and therefore the 9/11 investigation must be re-opened and must include a full inquiry into the possible use of explosives that might have been the actual cause of the destruction of the World Trade Center Twin Towers and Building 7."


You can further your nonsensical arguments with any or all of them. The full list of who, what and where can be found on the link below.


AE911Truth Petition Signers


Let's return to the topic, instead. You've repeatedly changed the goalposts during my tenure in this thread. For that matter, you've yet to respond to the vast majority of my material with anything more than a dismissive wave of your hand. "It sounds too improbable" and "I don't buy it" does nothing to address the very real, very compelling, and very exhaustive material that supports the official analysis and conclusion. As far as the petition you've linked, the controlled demolition hypothesis has been addressed and comprehensively refuted beyond any reasonable doubt. Now, then...

Specialists investigating the collapses almost unanimously disagree that a controlled demolition of any sort is required to understand and reconcile the structural response of the buildings before and during their collapse. While the top of one of the towers did tilt significantly, it couldn't ultimately have fallen into the street, because any such tilting would place sufficient stress on the lower story (acting as a pivot) to collapse long before the top had sufficiently shifted its center of gravity. There's very little difference between progressive collapse with or without explosives in terms of the resistance that the structures could provide after collapse began.

Furthermore, controlled demolition of a building to code requires weeks of preparation, including laying large quantities of explosive and cutting through beams, which would have rendered the building highly dangerous and which would have to be done without attracting the attention of the thousands of people who worked in the building. It's important to add that controlled demolitions are traditionally done from the bottom of buildings rather than the top, although exceptions exist. Also, there's little dispute that the collapse started high up at the point where the aircraft struck. And, as another notable point, any explosives would have to withstand the impact of the airliners.

At this point, you're starting to bore me. Or I'm starting to bore myself. In any case, and to reiterate yet again, this would really be more entertaining if you were to post an analytically consistent, opposing point of view as opposed to citing a "petition" that doesn't represent more than a tiny minority of qualified specialists, or dismissing my points on the basis of irrelevant "got'cha!" rhetoric that's as thin as a sheet of aluminum foil.
 
as soon as the steel supports at the crash site were weakened enough...the entire tower above that point would no longer be held up and it would simply fall...

what happens when you drop a third of a giant skyscraper on something? it crushes everything on the way down...

this is nothing mysterious...except to people who are completely ignorant of basic laws of nature...

and about believing what you see...everyone saw a plane hit a tower...a huge fire in the tower...and the collapse of the tower...the cause and effect relationship should be obvious... but instead of going by what they saw...some people insist on making up a conspiracy and a 'controlled demolition' that -nobody- saw...

i wonder what kind of training -that- takes...

Perhaps it would if you dropped it from a helicopter and let it fall onto the building below (even then, it would likely just cause an impact and fall to the side). It was sitting directly atop the remaining floors.
 
You believe that the path of least resistance was the skyscraper beneath it? What about the other buildings actually hit by the falling trade center that didn't collapse? this is ridiculous.

gravity doesn't pull along a 'path of least resistance'...gravity pulls -straight down-

and several buildings were hit by the debris from the twin towers' collapse and tremendously damaged...including one that did collapse...7 WTC just disproved -your- argument... :D
 
The dust "was unlike any dust and smoke mixture I had ever seen before," Lioy said. The fluffy, pink and gray powder "was basically a complex mixture of everything that makes up our workplaces and lives." Six million sq ft of masonry, 5 million sq ft of painted surfaces, 7 million sq ft of flooring, 600,000 sq ft of window glass, 200 elevators, and everything inside came down as dust, said Greg Meeker of USGS. The only thing that didn't get pulverized was the WTC towers' 200,000 tons of structural steel. That was just bent, Meeker said.

this quote actually -disproves- the 'controlled demolition' theory...controlled demolition would have done much more damage to the structural steel...the fact that it was merely bent confirms the conventional explanation...
 
gravity doesn't pull along a 'path of least resistance'...gravity pulls -straight down-

Try dropping a rock from a helicopter, straight down onto a building. Will gravity pull that through the entire building (the path of most resistance) or will the rock bounce off the roof and fall off to the side?
 
Maybe the specifics aren't as important as the overall. The overall claim is that America is under attack from the inside ('conspiracy', etc.) and not so much from 'terrorists' outside of America. It's not something Christians have to learn about; but it helps to know the signs of the anti-Christ and why certain aspects of society function the way they do.

specifics aren't important? this is practically saying...'don't bother me with details...my mind is already made up'
 
I don't see any large fragment touching building 7. If building 7 collapse because debris from twin tower, then the debris must in a large size, thousands giant debris, a ton a piece. Not in the form of dust.

A dust knock down steel frame building ?

this is because in the video you posted you are looking at the -wrong side- of 7 WTC...the side that -wasn't- hit by all the debris...look at one of my previous posts in this thread for the picture of 7 WTC that the conspiracy deceivers don't want you to see...the one that shows smoke pouring out of about thirty floors of the building...
 
Thank you for your own smoking gun observation, Lizathrose. Haphazard was what the fall should have been, but it wasn't. In any haphazard fall of several tons, part of the building would have held, & the upper area above the fire, unburned, virtually untouched, would have fell over the side of the collapse in one piece....but it didn't. Thank you for your observation.:D

let me introduce you to something called 'gravity'...it pulls -straight down-...not sideways...
 
Liza and Rachel. Here is a petition that was signed by 2,247 Architects and Engineers.

It reads"

"On Behalf of the People of the United States of America, the undersigned Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth and affiliates hereby petition for, and demand, a truly independent investigation with subpoena power in order to uncover the full truth surrounding the events of 9/11/01 - specifically the collapses of the World Trade Center Towers and Building 7. We believe there is sufficient doubt about the official story and therefore the 9/11 investigation must be re-opened and must include a full inquiry into the possible use of explosives that might have been the actual cause of the destruction of the World Trade Center Twin Towers and Building 7."

You can further your nonsensical arguments with any or all of them. The full list of who, what and where can be found on the link below.

AE911Truth Petition Signers

according to the census bureau there were 2,495,000 engineers in the united states alone in 2008...2,247 would be less than a tenth of a percent...that is the kind of number that qualifies for 'lunatic fringe' status...
 
Try dropping a rock from a helicopter, straight down onto a building. Will gravity pull that through the entire building (the path of most resistance) or will the rock bounce off the roof and fall off to the side?

great...now try dropping a -200,000 ton- rock onto a building that isn't even remotely designed to break the fall of a 200,000 ton rock...200,000 ton rocks don't 'bounce'...
 
great...now try dropping a -200,000 ton- rock onto a building that isn't even remotely designed to break the fall of a 200,000 ton rock...200,000 ton rocks don't 'bounce'...

It still would tilt sideways and collapse out into the street. Physics doesn't quite work the way you envision it. Inertia doesn't carry things through the path of greatest resistance.
 
You better watch this video

Bill work as intelligent agent for more than 30 years and the last 18 years in high position he give a briefing to the president about intelligent world situation and he has access to CIA and FBI due to his duty.

I watched some of his video, this is one of them.

In June 2001 he watched cnn interview Bin Laden, he believe it is a drama. Bin Laden have been wanted for years as terrorist for american asset ( red, I believe in Yemen or other country) CNN interview him and CIA not able to catch him.
He said if he has budget and resource like CIA, he will have Bin Laden in custody within 2 weeks.

In other video he said, in the intelligent community, there are a broker. If you want Bin Laden just pay the broker and he will turn it to you in no more than 2 weeks.

It is a drama. to fool public.

He said Bin Laden is CIA agent.
[video=youtube_share;V5tmogd9xp4]http://youtu.be/V5tmogd9xp4[/video]

would this be the same bill cooper who claimed eisenhower signed a peace treaty with space aliens?

not that such a thing would lower his credibility...

would this be the bill cooper who claimed that america's first secretary of defense was pushed out a hospital window so he wouldn't tell the world about the space aliens?

not that such a thing would lower his credibility...

is this the bill cooper who plagiarized material...including admitted pranks...from other UFO spaceship believers and then claimed he got it from top secret documents that only he ever saw?

not that such a thing would lower his credibility...

could this be the same bill cooper who thought kennedy was assassinated with an extraterrestrial weapon so he wouldn't tell the world about space aliens...

not that such a thing would lower his credibility...

it couldn't possibly be the bill cooper that even the UFO spaceship believers disowned...

not that such a thing would lower his credibility...
 
It still would tilt sideways and collapse out into the street. Physics doesn't quite work the way you envision it. Inertia doesn't carry things through the path of greatest resistance.

it wouldn't tilt sideways...i calculated this in a similar argument about a year ago...

the falling structure was so massive that it would have taken the horizontal force of a major hurricane to cause it to deviate from falling straight down by even a single degree...

basically your scenario involves a 200,000 ton structure stopping and saying...'gee i'm running into a lot of resistance following the force of gravity...i had better act like i'm being pushed on by a tremendous horizontal force that -simply isn't there- and start leaning sideways a couple of hundred feet'

at most you could theorize that -if- the falling structure encountered too much resistance on the way down...and i add that this is not the case because the towers simply -were not designed- to break the fall of -anything- let alone -a 200,000 ton piece of architecture-...then much of both pieces would have been smashed to bits...nothing would have tilted sideways and fallen into the street...
 
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