The Fixed Earth

[Cup-of-Ruin]

They did on the mooon, they did the experiment with a hammer and a feather.

lol, they also drove moon buggies on the moon as well, the yanks did donuts and burnouts on the lunar surface in cars and then they flew back down to earth avoiding the Van Allen radiation belts, and they did this in 1969, it's true, it was on T.V....OK I am being cynical, but is that your evidence, Yanks on the moon with a hammer and feather? I gotta hand it to them, they have a sense of humour.

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

And 'Greatkraw' I am not laughing at you, I am laughing at them, the conductors of these pernicous lies, all for worldly gain and title and fake money, they practice deception and they think it is funny how innocent people are decieved, well God will laugh at them, all will be revealed, and their titles and wordly gain and fame and the medal and awards they recieve in their masonic temples for their lies and crimes will all count against them when they stand before the Judgement seat of Christ to be judged for all their works, deeds and words.

 

[Brackenzee]

Blessings, and may He lead you into all truth.

"The sun also riseth, and the sun goeth down, and hasteth to his place - where he arose." Ecc. 1:5

I've just realized something... The Bible proves that the sun has testicles! The Bible clearly speaks of the sun as being male in gender, and since the Bible is obviously true and without error, it follows that the sun must have male genitalia. I defy you to find fault in my logic!

 

[Graybeard]

No need to be contrary, I have answered many of questions, which one did I not answer?

It's your thread, go back and have a look

.......Neither do small objects rotate around objects of superior mass or at least this has never been observed or proven, .......

what about the moon around the earth

Well the truth is that God created the hevean and earth on the first day, and He created 'lights' in the firmament (expanse raqiyq) on the fourth day! Well you cannot orbit something that does not exist, .......

earth existed remember, Got created it on the first day, so after He created the Sun who is not to say that He then took the earth that He had already created, and put it into orbit round the sun?

Depends what the objects are, and whether they are being pushed rather than being pulled, for example a feather will not accelerate to earth in a direct line as fast as a one ton lead weight.

mythbusters already proved this one

If you look back you can see that you suggested first that they be equal weight, now you have changed the objects again, this time to objects of the same size and shape, so which is it? I am quite aware of the method you are hinting but you are unable to quantify.

yes he made an innocent mistake there, you know exactly what he means so why don't you just correct him instead of trying to undermine him?

 

[Brackenzee]

They don't have to be of the same weight, but they have to be of the same size and shape because size and shape effect air resistance.

When air is not present, all objects fall at the same rate.

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

'same shape and size'

Size denotes demensions, shape is form, I could have a rubber ballon and a 1 ton lead weight made to be the same shape and size, would that do for the experiment?

 

[Brackenzee]

Yup, as long as the rubber balloon wasn't full of any gas.

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

Yup, as long as the rubber balloon wasn't full of any gas.

Ok, what about I fill it with polystyrene.

 

[Brackenzee]

...Yes. Why do you keep changing the conditions of the experiment?

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

...Yes. Why do you keep changing the conditions of the experiment?

OK so the terms are one rubber ballon filled with polystyrene and one lump of lead, shaped to the same dimension and form as the ballon.

 

[charisenexcelcis]

Absolutely. Two balls, same size, one of rubber and one of lead, dropped off the Leaning Tower of Pisa at the same moment will hit the ground at the same time. Now, two balls, both rubber, one larger than the other, dropped off the Leaning Tower of Pisa at the same moment. This time the larger one hits the ground first. Finally two balls, choose your material, the smaller heavier than the larger, dropped off the Tower of Pisa at the same moment. The result: the larger and lighter one hits first. The attraction of this miraculous event is calculable at the rate in the above equation. This force, which you can call anything that you like, is provable and measurable and abides by certain rules. Unless you want to contend that the sun is very small, it becomes untenable for the sun to rotate around the earth.

 

[charisenexcelcis]

"The earth is stablished that it cannot be moved" Psalm 93:1

"He...hangeth the earth upon nothing" Job 26:7


What about these verses. The first speaks phenominologically, just as I would say the sun rises without considering myself inaccurate or in error. The second one is not challenged by a heliocentric solar system.

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

Absolutely. Two balls, same size, one of rubber and one of lead, dropped off the Leaning Tower of Pisa at the same moment will hit the ground at the same time. Now, two balls, both rubber, one larger than the other, dropped off the Leaning Tower of Pisa at the same moment. This time the larger one hits the ground first. Finally two balls, choose your material, the smaller heavier than the larger, dropped off the Tower of Pisa at the same moment. The result: the larger and lighter one hits first. The attraction of this miraculous event is calculable at the rate in the above equation. This force, which you can call anything that you like, is provable and measurable and abides by certain rules. Unless you want to contend that the sun is very small, it becomes untenable for the sun to rotate around the earth.

My ballon is filled with polystyrene, it's the same shape and size as the lead, I thought we had decided on that?

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

"The earth is stablished that it cannot be moved" Psalm 93:1

"He...hangeth the earth upon nothing" Job 26:7


What about these verses. The first speaks phenominologically, just as I would say the sun rises without considering myself inaccurate or in error. The second one is not challenged by a heliocentric solar system.

Scripture is God's word, God has given you eyes to see things as they are, are you calling God a liar? If God says the suns hastens back to it's postition, then the sun hastens back to its postion as we see it with our God given eyes, otherwise it would read the earth moves and hastens back to it's position.

 

[charisenexcelcis]

Have you ever noticed star trails in photography, they appear in a perfect circular formation, which would not appear if the earth was moving while spinning of it's axis at 23.5 degrees! star trails prove that the heavens move! [/SIZE]
Not true. If measured accurately you would find that there are minute changes, particularly in stars that are closer. Also, the stars that are near the horizon from the temperate zone dip under the horizon seasonally which is consistant with the tilt of the earth.

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

Have you ever noticed star trails in photography, they appear in a perfect circular formation, which would not appear if the earth was moving while spinning of it's axis at 23.5 degrees! star trails prove that the heavens move! [/size]
Not true. If measured accurately you would find that there are minute changes, particularly in stars that are closer. Also, the stars that are near the horizon from the temperate zone dip under the horizon seasonally which is consistant with the tilt of the earth.

Here you go;



Wow that North Star dosent seem to be moving!

 

[greatkraw]

Absolutely. Two balls, same size, one of rubber and one of lead, dropped off the Leaning Tower of Pisa at the same moment will hit the ground at the same time. Now, two balls, both rubber, one larger than the other, dropped off the Leaning Tower of Pisa at the same moment. This time the larger one hits the ground first. Finally two balls, choose your material, the smaller heavier than the larger, dropped off the Tower of Pisa at the same moment. The result: the larger and lighter one hits first. The attraction of this miraculous event is calculable at the rate in the above equation. This force, which you can call anything that you like, is provable and measurable and abides by certain rules. Unless you want to contend that the sun is very small, it becomes untenable for the sun to rotate around the earth.

In each case they hit at the same time. Assuming their leading edges are level when they are release. There is little need to allow for wind resistance.

A Geocentric Universe contravenes OCCAMS Razor

It means there is no universal law of gravitation.

Each object behaves differently according to its relationship to the earth.

If, however we adopt a Heliocentric model, then suddenly every object in the cosmos is abiding by the same universal law of gravitaion.

 

[charisenexcelcis]

" The idea that our earth is moving at super speed is ridiculous, has anybody tried to actually move at that speed, it would not be very comfortable, in fact the g-forces involved for a moving earth would truly render the earth uninhabitable, forces are involved whenever mass accelerates, what forces would be involved if the mass of the entire earth was travelling at the supposed 100,000 km per hour while rotating on it's own axis at 23.5 degrees at 1000 km/h! I would have to look more like a pancake to live on earth if that was the case!


First, the principle gravity that you are affected by is the earth's, which is spinning and moving with you. Second, the key word is acceleration. So try this experiment. Get into your car and go to highway. Accelerate from 35 to 65, then stay steady. Notice that you only notice when you are accelerating or changing direction.

 

[charisenexcelcis]

The key word in your picture is "appear".

 

[charisenexcelcis]

Greatkraw: They will not all hit at the same time. Notice my mention of the Leaning Tower of Pisa, the site of the first famous experiment proving that gravity is proportional to mass.