My take on things like bipolar and add

[Revelator7]

I could be wrong but I have a theory that certain diagnosis and disorders are actually something that medication doesn't really treat.

I believe that ADD is a symptom of selfishness. That a person's attention to things is altered by a deeply rooted self absorbsion. That they can't focus on one thing for too long because it's not really exciting to them, so in their selfishness they look for the next best high. Look at kids with add and watch these same kids play their favorite video games for hours, progressing through the game without trouble. They need stimulation, and they lack it in things that bore them.

I believe that Bipolar in people happens because they are deep emotional feelers and they lack self control and patience. For example, Scripture talks a lot about people who have short tempers in Proverbs. Things like a man of understanding has great patience or a fool gives full vent to his emotions but a wise man holds them back (self control). And if bipolar people had the fruit of the Holy Spirit, they would have JOY rather than times of low depression. They would have inner PEACE (contentment). They would have patience and self control. These are spiritual things rather than something that medication can treat.

Basically these two things in my opinion are mental conditions caused by the ego.

 

[Ugly]

The problem with peoples 'theories' on such things is it requires you to ignore the science and study that already exists.

 

[didymos]

I could be wrong but I have a theory that certain diagnosis and disorders are actually something that medication doesn't really treat.

I believe that ADD is a symptom of selfishness. That a person's attention to things is altered by a deeply rooted self absorbsion. That they can't focus on one thing for too long because it's not really exciting to them, so in their selfishness they look for the next best high. Look at kids with add and watch these same kids play their favorite video games for hours, progressing through the game without trouble. They need stimulation, and they lack it in things that bore them.

I believe that Bipolar in people happens because they are deep emotional feelers and they lack self control and patience. For example, Scripture talks a lot about people who have short tempers in Proverbs. Things like a man of understanding has great patience or a fool gives full vent to his emotions but a wise man holds them back (self control). And if bipolar people had the fruit of the Holy Spirit, they would have JOY rather than times of low depression. They would have inner PEACE (contentment). They would have patience and self control. These are spiritual things rather than something that medication can treat.

Basically these two things in my opinion are mental conditions caused by the ego.

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[Revelator7]

if bipolar people had the Holy Spirit and the fruit of the Spirit active in them, they would no longer suffer bipolar attitudes. this is not a theory, it's the word of God. bipolar people are angry people. anger is an emotion and not a chemical imbalance. some things in this life are just common sense. but pills and pharmcuticals are commiditys and big money, so scientists that make money from people's issues will always say it's "a chemical imbalance". but it seems no one heard me when i said i have a theory. a theory is just that, a theory... i didn't say this was solid fact. can a man theoritically think? geez. but as for the bipolar thing, i know i'm right. lest you empty the power of the living god because you hold science as the last word for any man?

 

[vic1980]

I could be wrong but I have a theory that certain diagnosis and disorders are actually something that medication doesn't really treat.

I believe that ADD is a symptom of selfishness. That a person's attention to things is altered by a deeply rooted self absorbsion. That they can't focus on one thing for too long because it's not really exciting to them, so in their selfishness they look for the next best high. Look at kids with add and watch these same kids play their favorite video games for hours, progressing through the game without trouble. They need stimulation, and they lack it in things that bore them.

I believe that Bipolar in people happens because they are deep emotional feelers and they lack self control and patience. For example, Scripture talks a lot about people who have short tempers in Proverbs. Things like a man of understanding has great patience or a fool gives full vent to his emotions but a wise man holds them back (self control). And if bipolar people had the fruit of the Holy Spirit, they would have JOY rather than times of low depression. They would have inner PEACE (contentment). They would have patience and self control. These are spiritual things rather than something that medication can treat.

Basically these two things in my opinion are mental conditions caused by the ego.

These are spiritual things rather than something that medication can treat.

Indeed they are spiritual things that only Jesus Christ can cure.

 

[Revelator7]

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Between your reply here and your reply to me in my other post, I'm calling out the mocking spirit in you. A true Christian doesn't mock his brother, only a hater does that. And John wrote that those who hate their brother stumble in the darkness.

 

[Ugly]

if bipolar people had the Holy Spirit and the fruit of the Spirit active in them, they would no longer suffer bipolar attitudes. this is not a theory, it's the word of God. bipolar people are angry people. anger is an emotion and not a chemical imbalance. some things in this life are just common sense. but pills and pharmcuticals are commiditys and big money, so scientists that make money from people's issues will always say it's "a chemical imbalance". but it seems no one heard me when i said i have a theory. a theory is just that, a theory... i didn't say this was solid fact. can a man theoritically think? geez. but as for the bipolar thing, i know i'm right. lest you empty the power of the living god because you hold science as the last word for any man?

"if bipolar people had the Holy Spirit and the fruit of the Spirit active in them, they would no longer suffer bipolar attitudes. this is not a theory, it's the word of God."

"a theory is just that, a theory... i didn't say this was solid fact."

"i know i'm right"

Contradict yourself much?
And here comes the 'if you don't agree with me you disagree with God' mentality.

So you contradict yourself in the same post, judge me, judge every person with bipolar as not having the Holy Spirit, twist scripture, then twist my words meanings, finally telling me i put science over God.

Oh, and i did pick up on you said theory. If you read my post.. "The problem with peoples 'theories' on such things". No one said you weren't allowed to think, but this is a public forum where people are free to respond and disagree with your 'theories'. You're in the wrong place if you can't handle that and just want everyone to accept everything you say.

 

[Revelator7]

"if bipolar people had the Holy Spirit and the fruit of the Spirit active in them, they would no longer suffer bipolar attitudes. this is not a theory, it's the word of God."

"a theory is just that, a theory... i didn't say this was solid fact."

"i know i'm right"

Contradict yourself much?
And here comes the 'if you don't agree with me you disagree with God' mentality.

So you contradict yourself in the same post, judge me, judge every person with bipolar as not having the Holy Spirit, twist scripture, then twist my words meanings, finally telling me i put science over God.

Oh, and i did pick up on you said theory. If you read my post.. "The problem with peoples 'theories' on such things". No one said you weren't allowed to think, but this is a public forum where people are free to respond and disagree with your 'theories'. You're in the wrong place if you can't handle that and just want everyone to accept everything you say.

Tell me, is John the Revelator contradicting himself here? "Dear friends, I am not writing you a new command but an old one, which you have had since the beginning. This old command is the message you have heard. Yet I am writing you a new command; its truth is seen in him and in you, because the darkness is passing and the true light is already shining." 1 John 2:7-8 ... There is no contradiction here, though people would say there is.

The whole bipolar issue is not a theory because fact is the fruit of the Spirit is the very fruit of the character of a non carnal minded Christian. How can you fight me on this?

The ADD idea though, that is a theory of mine.I was saying that I know I'm right about the bipolar issue.

I was saying you put science before God's power in the Holy Spirit, at least, that is what is implied through your words about me "ignoring science". You wrote it as if science were the last word on matters such as these.

 

[Roh_Chris]

if bipolar people had the Holy Spirit and the fruit of the Spirit active in them, they would no longer suffer bipolar attitudes. this is not a theory, it's the word of God. bipolar people are angry people. anger is an emotion and not a chemical imbalance. some things in this life are just common sense. but pills and pharmcuticals are commiditys and big money, so scientists that make money from people's issues will always say it's "a chemical imbalance". but it seems no one heard me when i said i have a theory. a theory is just that, a theory... i didn't say this was solid fact. can a man theoritically think? geez. but as for the bipolar thing, i know i'm right. lest you empty the power of the living god because you hold science as the last word for any man?

Whoa. Somebody who has not done her research on bipolar people comes here and writes a theory. And then claims that those who disagree are wrong. Waaaay to go!

Let me draw a comparison. If you can say that people who had the Holy Spirit and the fruits of the Spirit cannot be bipolar, I can say that people who have the Holy spirit and the gifts of the Spirit cannot fall sick! Do you know how ridiculous I would sound if I said that? Do you know that bipolar can result from a bad environment? Do you know that the bad environment can also be parents at home who have the Holy spirit and the fruits of the spirit? Of course you don't. You are content with preaching from your pulpit. Anybody who disagrees is condemned. Such a shame!

I am not saying that Jesus can't heal. But as much as you can fall sick even if you have been saved, so is it for bipolar disorders. I don't have a problem with theories. But have the courtesy to do some research before you make your theory. Otherwise you become a stumbling block and an 'offending millstone' to the others around you.

 

[Revelator7]

Whoa. Somebody who has not done her research on bipolar people comes here and writes a theory. And then claims that those who disagree are wrong. Waaaay to go!

Let me draw a comparison. If you can say that people who had the Holy Spirit and the fruits of the Spirit cannot be bipolar, I can say that people who have the Holy spirit and the gifts of the Spirit cannot fall sick! Do you know how ridiculous I would sound if I said that? Do you know that bipolar can result from a bad environment? Do you know that the bad environment can also be parents at home who have the Holy spirit and the fruits of the spirit? Of course you don't. You are content with preaching from your pulpit. Anybody who disagrees is condemned. Such a shame!

I am not saying that Jesus can't heal. But as much as you can fall sick even if you have been saved, so is it for bipolar disorders. I don't have a problem with theories. But have the courtesy to do some research before you make your theory. Otherwise you become a stumbling block and an 'offending millstone' to the others around you.

I was diagnosed bipolar. After I became a Christian, I was healed.
I was also a paranoid schizophrenic, but after I believed in Jesus, I was completely healed.

So what research do I need to know when by experience I was taught...

Schizophrenia is a mental SICKNESS. However, the fruit of the Spirit didn't cure my schizophrenia because it wasn't a character issue. The fruit of the Spirit is for the emotional character of a man. The power of God though, miraculous power, it is something that cured me from my sickness.

The fruit of the Spirit has nothing to do with the physical health of a man, but the emotoinal and spiritual health. So what are you talking about sickness for?

Why would I need to research before a theory? I can observe with my own eyes the behavior of things and draw hypothesis and conclusions. I see that a ball falls to the ground. There must be a force behind it make it behave that way. I understood this as a child before anyone ever told me about the reason of gravity.

 

[Revelator7]

Maybe I shouldn't have used the term bipolar. Maybe I should have kept it elementary and just said "Someone with anger issues."

When I use the term bipolar everyone gets technical and resolves to bring up medical, science, pharmacutical etc etc

But if I just kept it simple and talked about the term anger immediately everyone would have probably said the fruit of the Spirit is there for that...

Now the deeds of the flesh are evident... STRIFE... OUTBURSTS OF ANGER/FITS OF RAGE... those who practice this will not inherit the kingdom of God... this is the same book as the fruit of the Spirit (Galatians).

The people back in Paul's day didn't have a medical coined term for strife or outbursts of anger. Now we do, it's called bipolar "disorder". It's an anger disorder... The fruit of the Spirit of Love, Joy, Peace, patience, self-control, Gentleness* should be evident in a christian's life. There is no such thing as a bipolar christian unless they are seflish and really aren't filled with the Spirit... This to me is not a theory. But the theory that i meant to apply my words to was on ADD. sorry i did not clearly say what i was trying to say. forgive me for not being perfect in intellect.

 

[didymos]

Between your reply here and your reply to me in my other post, I'm calling out the mocking spirit in you. A true Christian doesn't mock his brother, only a hater does that. And John wrote that those who hate their brother stumble in the darkness.

I don't hate you, far from it, I find you amusing.

 

[Roh_Chris]

The people back in Paul's day didn't have a medical coined term for strife or outbursts of anger. Now we do, it's called bipolar "disorder". It's an anger disorder... The fruit of the Spirit of Love, Joy, Peace, patience, self-control, Gentleness* should be evident in a christian's life. There is no such thing as a bipolar christian unless they are seflish and really aren't filled with the Spirit... This to me is not a theory. But the theory that i meant to apply my words to was on ADD. sorry i did not clearly say what i was trying to say. forgive me for not being perfect in intellect.

Bipolar disorder is not an anger disorder. I don't know where you got that from. Anyway, I am not going to debate your theory any further. Peace out!

 

[RedTent]

If someone severely afflicted with the illness of bipolar should take your post seriously and refuse to take medicine, your post could be like murdering that person. Without a body producing the correct hormones to help with their thoughts, they lose control. It can make them unable to handle the pain of feeling absolutely hopeless.

Your post is like telling a diabetic to just put on the Holy Spirit and they would produce insulin naturally.

I think that if we lived in a world where if we all lived as the Lord leads us to live there would be less unhappiness so our bodies worked perfectly. Just like if the diets of all people were healthful there would be less diabetes. But to preach to do nothing to help with these disorders is a terrible thing to do.

 

[Rarthyr]

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about revelator7, you are EXTREMELY lucky that you do not suffer from a mental illness. I know first hand how PAINFUL and excruciating it is. I have had days where I literally prayed for death. Just because you cannot see the injury does not make it non existent. Brain damage is VERY physical it's as physical as a broken leg only it takes longer to heal and is MUCH MUCH worse. I found didymos's reply quite amusing myself You should count your blessings young one.

 

[confusion1986]

Whoa. Somebody who has not done

her research on bipolar people comes here and writes a theory. And then claims that those who disagree are wrong. Waaaay to go!

Let me draw a comparison. If you can say that people who had the Holy Spirit and the fruits of the Spirit cannot be bipolar, I can say that people who have the Holy spirit and the gifts of the Spirit cannot fall sick! Do you know how ridiculous I would sound if I said that? Do you know that bipolar can result from a bad environment? Do you know that the bad environment can also be parents at home who have the Holy spirit and the fruits of the spirit? Of course you don't. You are content with preaching from your pulpit. Anybody who disagrees is condemned. Such a shame!

I am not saying that Jesus can't heal. But as much as you can fall sick even if you have been saved, so is it for bipolar disorders. I don't have a problem with theories. But have the courtesy to do some research before you make your theory. Otherwise you become a stumbling block and an 'offending millstone' to the others around you.

I agree. Yes Jesus can heal any illness or ailment but just like people who have seizures or cancer and be saved so can a person with add or bipolar. As you may recall the young boy with seizures in John, Jesus was able to heal him. All these affect a persons mental state. And just because a person has add or bipolar does not mean they are ALL angry. I work have worked with children that have add and bipolar. Some are the most gentle people you could ever meet. Don't judge a book by its cover until you have read its content.

 

[Angelmommie]

WOW...OMgoodness WOW...I am almost 40 years old and I have ADHD..i was diagnosed as a child..I am not selfish..2 of my younger brothers and my sister who happens to have a doctrine also all have ADHD..there is nothing selfish about any of us..each one of us would give a stranger the shirt off our backs..we also have 16 children between us..7 of them also have medical..not educational..diagnosis of ADHD..(we also have 4 medically diagnosed children with autism..and another we are suspicious of)...I agree the school tend to over diagnose things, probably so they can medicate the kids so they are quiet, but to say ADHD is just selfishness in a person is ridiculous and insensitive! I would give ANYTHING for my brain not to wonder from one topic to another or be distracted all of the time! Now that would be heaven! I would like to recommend you show a little more compassion to your fellow human beings!

 

[Angelmommie]

I have a question? So if people have like bipolar or ADHD that means they do not have God in them or they would be healed? Do people really believe that? God gives us all mountains to climb and rivers to cross, some different some the same..He does this to make us stronger in our faith and bring us closer to Him..to believe any different is sad...

 

[kennethcadwell]

I have a question? So if people have like bipolar or ADHD that means they do not have God in them or they would be healed? Do people really believe that? God gives us all mountains to climb and rivers to cross, some different some the same..He does this to make us stronger in our faith and bring us closer to Him..to believe any different is sad...

Yes they can still have the Lord in their life if they believe in Jesus as their Lord and Savior.
Just because you have a deformation or a learning disability, or a disability of any kind does not mean you don't have the Lord.

To say you have to be healthy or wealthy to be a true member of our Lord is the false teaching of the prosperity teachers.
God heals who he wills, and leaves others with their disabilities for lessons to be learned to fulfill His will. Just because you may not be healed does not mean the Lord is with you.
It simply could mean He still has something left for you to learn, or wants to let others see your strong faith by standing firm in Him even though the troubles you face.

 

[SoulWeaver]

I have a close sister in Christ who wrestles with bipolar disorder and is one of the most wonderful children of God I know.
God uses her weakness that she would call on Him daily and grow in Him. I love her so much!
"His strenght is made perfect in weakness."
Look up Christians with severe disabilities, like Nick Vujicic. He has no arms and legs and is a powerfull soldier of God, ministering to so many just because of his disability.