We are in the end times

[iamsoandso]

lol,OK you win on the first part,,,,on the second part does God pour out his plagues on mankind BEFORE they receive the mark or AFTER?,,,

remember the scriptures,,,and the plaugues were poured out on those who "worshiped the image,or had the mark or ect.",,,,,,,,,,,can they worship it,receive it,ect. before it comes?

 

[Stevenmd]

[SUP]18 [/SUP]Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour. The Holy Bible : New International Version. 1996, c1984 (electronic ed.) (1 Jn 2:18). Grand Rapids: Zondervan.

I ask that we love one another. [SUP]6 [/SUP]And this is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you walk in love.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Watch out that you do not lose what you have worked for, but that you may be rewarded fully. [SUP]9 [/SUP]Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. [SUP]10 [/SUP]If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him. [SUP]11 [/SUP]Anyone who welcomes him shares in his wicked work.
The Holy Bible : New International Version. 1996, c1984 (electronic ed.) (2 Jn 5-11). Grand Rapids: Zondervan.

 

[iamsoandso]

Well mankind receives the Mark in Rev 13 and if you follow the following chapters it has to be after, because the 7 angles with the 7 vials are in Chapters 15-16

so if the two horned beast has not yet come,and the image has not yet been set up,,,,then those who recieve its mark and worship the image cannot have the plagues poured on them yet?

 

[JesusIsAll]

so if the two horned beast has not yet come,and the image has not yet been set up,,,,then those who recieve its mark and worship the image cannot have the plagues poured on them yet?

One must wonder the singular nature of your interest in this question. It seems it would be appropriate to mark them, then plague them, after guilt is firmly established. But mark 'em and plague 'em, or plague 'em and mark 'em, you're not concerned over the bar code on your gmo Corn Flakes box or something, are you?

 

[iamsoandso]

One must wonder the singular nature of your interest in this question. It seems it would be appropriate to mark them, then plague them, after guilt is firmly established. But mark 'em and plague 'em, or plague 'em and mark 'em, you're not concerned over the bar code on your gmo Corn Flakes box or something, are you?

nope,,but many conclude the events they are seeing as "the vials being poured out,,the plagues",,but they cannot define the two horned beast,nor the beast or calculate the number,,,so if they believe the vials are being poured out,and they are plagues on those who have the mark and are worshiping the image shouldn't they put the cart(things mentioned in the former) before the punishment(horse),,,as they appear in scripture?

If not then,,,and these are the vials/plagues,,,,,,then is the mark and image here and we have not yet figured it out,,,,,does mankind buy and sell with a number that is representative of the name of both a man and the beast already,,,is it a system already spreading over every nation in the world?,,If there is this and we have not recognized it,,,well then if it is here and we are worshiping it while(deceived),,,,well then by all means the scripture is not broken if the vials are being poured out on the earth,,,but one must come before the other,,,,,,,

 

[JesusIsAll]

nope,,but many conclude the events they are seeing as "the vials being poured out,,the plagues",,but they cannot define the two horned beast,nor the beast or calculate the number,,,so if they believe the vials are being poured out,and they are plagues on those who have the mark and are worshiping the image shouldn't they put the cart(things mentioned in the former) before the punishment(horse),,,as they appear in scripture?

If not then,,,and these are the vials/plagues,,,,,,then is the mark and image here and we have not yet figured it out,,,,,does mankind buy and sell with a number that is representative of the name of both a man and the beast already,,,is it a system already spreading over every nation in the world?,,If there is this and we have not recognized it,,,well then if it is here and we are worshiping it while(deceived),,,,well then by all means the scripture is not broken if the vials are being poured out on the earth,,,but one must come before the other,,,,,,,

If I could convince you the tribulation has not yet begun, that the Lord Jesus has not opened the seals of Revelation 6, then you wouldn't think about it. But, barring this, all I can offer is don't drink anything from a stranger, lest you wake up in a tattoo parlor.

 

[kennethcadwell]

The bowl judgments or vials are not being poured out already.
Tribulation has not even started yet. We are in the beginning signs that lead to the tribulation period as Matthew 24 talks about.
The bowl judgments are God's wrath on the earth, and if you read the scriptures is says that believers are not appointed for or face God's wrath.

The beast with two horns is a symbolism of the false prophet, the two horns stand for a combining of an apostate church with Islam. Look at what the Catholic church is doing now, allowing Christian and Muslim worshipping together.

 

[iamsoandso]

If I could convince you the tribulation has not yet begun, that the Lord Jesus has not opened the seals of Revelation 6, then you wouldn't think about it. But, barring this, all I can offer is don't drink anything from a stranger, lest you wake up in a tattoo parlor.

lol,,you think I believe they have begun,,,but I pointed out the two deciding factors of the two,,,I merely set a ?,,that would have everyone compare scripture to opinion as to if it is yes or no,,,,,,I am 80 years old if I wake up in a tattoo parlor I'll get my money back I'm all wrinkled so waves are all they could draw,,lol,,,

 

[JesusIsAll]

,,,I am 80 years old if I wake up in a tattoo parlor I'll get my money back I'm all wrinkled so waves are all they could draw,,lol,,,

LOL! Or just buy a motorcycle, join Bikers for Jesus. Wrinkled skin could make for a nice seascape, just don't do a beast rising out of the sea and label it 666. Now, do get your nickel back!

 

[iamsoandso]

LOL! Or just buy a motorcycle, join Bikers for Jesus. Wrinkled skin could make for a nice seascape, just don't do a beast rising out of the sea and label it 666. Now, do get your nickel back!

there's that nickel again,,there were four of us kids my brother(oldest),my older sister,me,,and my younger sister. I remember my brother got his first job,he was excited!,,He made .65 an hour,we went to the store in town where they had electricity and all of us got pop-cycles(real pop-cycles) from the 50's. I had seen them in the magazines but never in real life,,that was the strangest thing I ever experienced,,a cave man eating a pop-cycle.It doesn't seem important anymore like it was back then,but thats where it all started,,now there's phones like on star trek they use microscopes to operate,I would rather still use the phone we had that we picked up and the neighbors were talking on and we ask them how long they were going to be on it and used it when no one else was. This is such a strange thing to watch UN-fold,I was told by an old man that the pop-cycle I got was the delicious foods from Babylon,I didn't know what he meant then so I ate it, I always believed he was a crazy old man,,,y'all stop eating the pop-cycles,there not as good as those then anyway,and cell phones and computers will seem like pop-cycles to you one day,and I'll be the crazy old man,,,,,,,

 

[JesusIsAll]

there's that nickel again,,there were four of us kids my brother(oldest),my older sister,me,,and my younger sister. I remember my brother got his first job,he was excited!,,He made .65 an hour,we went to the store in town where they had electricity and all of us got pop-cycles(real pop-cycles) from the 50's. I had seen them in the magazines but never in real life,,that was the strangest thing I ever experienced,,a cave man eating a pop-cycle.It doesn't seem important anymore like it was back then,but thats where it all started,,now there's phones like on star trek they use microscopes to operate,I would rather still use the phone we had that we picked up and the neighbors were talking on and we ask them how long they were going to be on it and used it when no one else was. This is such a strange thing to watch UN-fold,I was told by an old man that the pop-cycle I got was the delicious foods from Babylon,I didn't know what he meant then so I ate it, I always believed he was a crazy old man,,,y'all stop eating the pop-cycles,there not as good as those then anyway,and cell phones and computers will seem like pop-cycles to you one day,and I'll be the crazy old man,,,,,,,

There is a real nostalgia. I remember eager and loving to go to the library, to research something of great curiosity. Would find what I was interested in, maybe copy some pages with dimes I was sure to take with me to the great expedition, and it was like finding some gold. Now, you Google, and there just seems nothing special about it. Things smaller once had more meaning, and things larger less meaning, now. Does that make sense, crazy old man? LOL! (Watch it! Say, "Yes," and you're also certifiable.)

 

[iamsoandso]

it's a remarkable thing to know this thing,,I was born in 1934,,,my father in 1896,his in 1854,,,my grandfather watched civil war soldiers being buried and gave me pistol shot he picked up when he plowed the field they fought in. In today's world no one imagines the difference,,but I spoke and grew up with a man who witnessed a battle during the civil war,,,,but it means nothing to most to think they are punching in letters on a key board with a man who knew a man who saw a battle in the civil war,and the set of mind is this present world is as it has been since the beginning,,but this day and time is not the same,it is something constructed,,,

 

[JesusIsAll]

it's a remarkable thing to know this thing,,I was born in 1934,,,my father in 1896,his in 1854,,,my grandfather watched civil war soldiers being buried and gave me pistol shot he picked up when he plowed the field they fought in. In today's world no one imagines the difference,,but I spoke and grew up with a man who witnessed a battle during the civil war,,,,but it means nothing to most to think they are punching in letters on a key board with a man who knew a man who saw a battle in the civil war,and the set of mind is this present world is as it has been since the beginning,,but this day and time is not the same,it is something constructed,,,

I had an uncle long gone the same, really knew people from the 19th century. He collected old things, too, would show us all this stuff, a real arrowhead, a musket ball, big old pennies, tells us where they came from, what the first cars were like with a crank, the roads terrible back then, how they made soap, all these things. It was all so real and interesting, not something wrapped in plastic or some inane text message on a cellphone. It's like we're becoming antiseptic of life up close.

 

[watty]

Stop with the GAP theory already.....you are going into weirdness and not anything remotely Biblical.

Is the chicken and the egg biblical? If you do not agree with what someone has to say, you do not have to become sarcastic. I didn't know everything written on here had to be Biblical.

 

[Kencore]

Hey everyone thinks that all God did was bring bac Isreal, which is a paramount Biblical prophecy. But has anyone considered what other countries He brought back. This is a map of the middle east during just the 1800's it was like this from the 9th century till the Sykes/Picot agreement of 1916 do to the Muslim invasion of the Ottoman Empire. He brought all the players back

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/globalconnections/mideast/maps/poltext.html

 

[dcontroversal]

That may sound crazy, but the anti christ, satan, may return as a fake Pope john paul II and as a fake saviour. Has any one saw the way Pope John Paul II was buried?

No how........?

 

[PlainWord]

The wrath of God comes AFTER the Great Tribulation. There is no passage locating it before or during but plenty locating it after.

The Great Tribulation = Persecution and killing of Believers on a Global Scale. This also is supported by multiple passages.

 

[Mem]

Any one heard of the Putin theory? It seems he is passing under the radar, while breaking havoc...

 

[wordhelpsme]

The scriptures support that we are.

Concerning the final date Jesus said that no one knows but the Father. Jesus himself does not know. The angels do not know. (Mark 13:32)

The things mentioned by Jesus and Paul have always existed. The degree that they exist in the whole world today proves that we are living in the last days.

Matthew 24 gives the combined list of events that show we are in the last days.

Wars and reports of wars
Nation against nation
Kingdom against kingdom
Famines
Earthquakes
Jesus believers hated, persecuted and put to death
Many false prophets
Increase of Wickedness
Gospel of the kingdom preached in the whole world

2 Timothy 3 gives a combined list of behaviors that show we are in the last days.

People will be
Lovers themselves
Lovers money
Boastful
Proud
Abusive
Disobedient to parents
Ungrateful
Unholy
Without love
Unforgiving
Slanderous
Without Self-Control
Brutal
Not lovers of good
Treacherous
Rash
Conceited
Lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God
Form of worship but denying the power

Would you not agree that these are happening and escalating daily?

We cannot got pass one major event before another one fades it out.

 

[PlainWord]

Any one heard of the Putin theory? It seems he is passing under the radar, while breaking havoc...

Putin is Rosh (Ezek 38-39). He is not the AntiChrist. He will be pulled in by the jaw to attack Israel in a few years by the Muslim world which he supports.