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1 Corinthians 12:13 (HCSB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] For we were all baptized {that includes the thief on the Cross} by one Spirit into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.
Baptized in the Greek means to dip, or sink into something else, such as the word immerse, only there is no mention of water in the Greek definition of the word baptized, hence if you were to jump into a huge pile of feathers, it would be grammatically correct to say you were baptized in feathers. LIKEWISE the Work of the Holy Spirit of immersing us into the spiritual body of Christ is also grammatically correct, AND VERY BIBLICAL.
Romans 5:5 (NKJV)
5 Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us.
John 14:15 (HCSB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] “If you love Me, you will keep My commands.
1 Corinthians 2:10-14 (NIV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] but God has revealed it to us by his Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man's spirit within him? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.
He Shall Save His People from Their Sins.
Good Evening, NewB.
Have u actually found someone who disbelieves in water baptism posting here? You reckon all those Presbyterians who believed in sprinkling babies & who were sprinkled as baby (never dunked) will all go to Hell?
There are some who disbelieve in water baptism, but I haven't met them here. The issue is
WHAT MUST-I-DO to be saved?
Can you grasp that when John 3:16 says, WHOSOEVER BELIEVETH, that rules out any other essential ingredient! Whosoever believes, NewB. One type of whosoever believes is the guy who believes but does not get dunked.
We seem to have a 2fold confusion here.
1) Those self-righteous Pharisees who want to be saved by works, like water baptism, and
2) Those obtuse natural men who can't get it through the skull that "believe" does not mean "believe that" when it is the Son of God who is the object of the faith. Believing in the Son of God is not marching down an aisle and answering, "Yes," to the preacher when He asks you if you believe that Jesus is the Son of God. Saving faith is trust in the Savior (not denying the Savior making Him a mere chance-giver).
Whosoever believes . . . not perish . . . eternal life.
No water required. No need to postulate that God would miraculously send down a swimming pool into a desert. He who believes that is all wet.
Good Evening, NewB.
Have u actually found someone who disbelieves in water baptism posting here? You reckon all those Presbyterians who believed in sprinkling babies & who were sprinkled as baby (never dunked) will all go to Hell?
There are some who disbelieve in water baptism, but I haven't met them here. The issue is
WHAT MUST-I-DO to be saved?
Can you grasp that when John 3:16 says, WHOSOEVER BELIEVETH, that rules out any other essential ingredient! Whosoever believes, NewB. One type of whosoever believes is the guy who believes but does not get dunked.
We seem to have a 2fold confusion here.
1) Those self-righteous Pharisees who want to be saved by works, like water baptism, and
2) Those obtuse natural men who can't get it through the skull that "believe" does not mean "believe that" when it is the Son of God who is the object of the faith. Believing in the Son of God is not marching down an aisle and answering, "Yes," to the preacher when He asks you if you believe that Jesus is the Son of God. Saving faith is trust in the Savior (not denying the Savior making Him a mere chance-giver).
Whosoever believes . . . not perish . . . eternal life.
No water required. No need to postulate that God would miraculously send down a swimming pool into a desert. He who believes that is all wet.
[Noah & family] saved by water. 2 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,)"
Water baptism is a figure of the death & resurrection of Christ which saves.
Men are saved by works, but the works of Christ, not their own works. For men it is by grace through faith, not of works.
John 3:16 rules out water baptism as an essential for salvation by saying, Whosoever believes. If whosoever believes does not perish, but has everlasting life, nothing else can be essential. Otherwise, John 3:16 would have to say, "Some of those who believe," instead of whosoever.
Baptism is not just a symbol.
Water baptism indeed is a symbol, except for its B usage (below).
But Spirit Baptism is not a symbol, neither the special baptism that the Lord Jesus said awaited Him before the cross.
B Usage of Baptism:
In addition to being a symbol,
water baptism is also an unintended idol to worship as a phony Savior,
and also it is useful for heretics to argue about hour on hour world without end, until they go where they won't have the water they long for.
Water baptism indeed is a symbol, except for its B usage (below).
But Spirit Baptism is not a symbol, neither the special baptism that the Lord Jesus said awaited Him before the cross.
B Usage of Baptism:
In addition to being a symbol,
water baptism is also an unintended idol to worship as a phony Savior,
and also it is useful for heretics to argue about hour on hour world without end, until they go where they won't have the water they long for.
K
You say that salvation and spiritual baptism took place the moment we believed in Jesus Christ as Lord.
I will ask you this then;
When did you repent of your sins ?
Lord Jesus says until you repent of your sins you will still parish;
Luke 13:3
I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish.
And sorry to say but repentance is not just going from unbelief to belief. It means to have a change of mind to acknowledge your sins and to turn from doing them also.
I will ask you this then;
When did you repent of your sins ?
Lord Jesus says until you repent of your sins you will still parish;
Luke 13:3
I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish.
And sorry to say but repentance is not just going from unbelief to belief. It means to have a change of mind to acknowledge your sins and to turn from doing them also.
a man quotes a verse .... The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,)"
defines the verse...Water baptism is a figure of the death & resurrection of Christ which saves.
then he dismisses what he has just defined...
John 3:16 rules out water baptism as an essential for salvation by saying, Whosoever believes. If whosoever believes does not perish, but has everlasting life, nothing else can be essential. Otherwise, John 3:16 would have to say, "Some of those who believe," instead of whosoever.
but I must remind him of Mk 16 :16
Mark 16:16King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
defines the verse...Water baptism is a figure of the death & resurrection of Christ which saves.
then he dismisses what he has just defined...
John 3:16 rules out water baptism as an essential for salvation by saying, Whosoever believes. If whosoever believes does not perish, but has everlasting life, nothing else can be essential. Otherwise, John 3:16 would have to say, "Some of those who believe," instead of whosoever.
but I must remind him of Mk 16 :16
Mark 16:16King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
New, you are the one with a different understanding. We all have the same understanding that He was talking about Spiritual Baptism into HIS spiritual BODY and not water baptism, when HE inspired Mark to remember and to write:
Mark 1:8 (NKJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] I indeed baptized you with water, but He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit."
And Paul when he said:
1 Corinthians 12:13 (HCSB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] For we were all baptized by one Spirit into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.
AND NEITHER were talking about anything to do with water. Yet you refuse to see that spiritual baptism IS NOT water baptism.
That word baptized was used back then about being immersed into ANYTHING. Here is Jesus using the word baptized and baptism, when He was talking about being immersed into suffering and dying for our sins:
Mark 10:38 (NIV)
[SUP]38 [/SUP] "You don't know what you are asking," Jesus said. "Can you drink the cup I drink or be baptized with the baptism I am baptized with?"
How can you understand spiritual truths when you have never been born again?
1 Corinthians 2:12-14 (NKJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
P
Kenneth C your quote in Acts 10:47 says "which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?"
They were NOT "water baptized" BEFORE they Received "the Holy Ghost"
If it happened to them ; it can happen to Anyone
Scripture does Not Contradict it self...
Your Belief on"water baptism" would be Contradictory as according to this Scripture..
