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Ok folks lets have a lesson here is what it feels like when folks make open comments about other servants
dccontroversal is a false teacher deadtosin is a false teacher revelator7 is a false teacher jamal is a false teacher these people lean to their own understanding make careless remarks about Gods servants are cold and think they are above reproach
dccontroversal is a false teacher deadtosin is a false teacher revelator7 is a false teacher jamal is a false teacher these people lean to their own understanding make careless remarks about Gods servants are cold and think they are above reproach
Although I agree we need to expose false teachings....
Were we not told that our battles are against the principalities and powers of evil, not each other?
Somehow we keep losing sight of the goal, and looking to what this person is doing or that person is saying.
When we are to keep our eyes on Jesus.
For what matters is the message, the truth we are called to in Jesus.
For during the storm on the boat, the apostles became afraid, and woke Jesus.
Jesus then asked them, where is your faith?
Our confidence is in Jesus, and the promise that He shall not let any take you from His hand.
So let us not forget who the true enemy is, and rejoice in the victory already won in Jesus.
For our battles are against the pincipalites and powers of evil, not each other.
For it is not about who did or said what to who, or who we claim to be the enemy, for we already know who the enemy is.
It is all about who we follow, Jesus Christ is Lord come in the flesh!
In Jesus, God bless
pickles
Ask yourself, what would you better listen to, the claims of this person evil, that person is evil.
Or the message that points to Jesus, and says rejoice, for He is the way, the truth and the life, and He loves you.
Were we not told that our battles are against the principalities and powers of evil, not each other?
Somehow we keep losing sight of the goal, and looking to what this person is doing or that person is saying.
When we are to keep our eyes on Jesus.
For what matters is the message, the truth we are called to in Jesus.
For during the storm on the boat, the apostles became afraid, and woke Jesus.
Jesus then asked them, where is your faith?
Our confidence is in Jesus, and the promise that He shall not let any take you from His hand.
So let us not forget who the true enemy is, and rejoice in the victory already won in Jesus.
For our battles are against the pincipalites and powers of evil, not each other.
For it is not about who did or said what to who, or who we claim to be the enemy, for we already know who the enemy is.
It is all about who we follow, Jesus Christ is Lord come in the flesh!
In Jesus, God bless
pickles
Ask yourself, what would you better listen to, the claims of this person evil, that person is evil.
Or the message that points to Jesus, and says rejoice, for He is the way, the truth and the life, and He loves you.
Follow below in the bold, I have put my comments to your post...
[video=youtube;RCImd8vZWG4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCImd8vZWG4[/video]
I youtubed "Joyce Meyers greatest teachings" and I have decided to go through the entire thing and determine the biblical accuracy of her message. I hope you watch this video and read my commentary with it. I will type this as I go.
At the 50 second mark she begins laughing at scripture but only after she posts an inaccurate version of scripture (there are many versions but that is a different study)
Here she quotes Exodus 3:14 and she posts it as reading
"And God said to Moses, I AM WHO I AM and WHAT I AM and I WILL BE WHAT I WILL BE."
then she laughs saying that God didn't really tell Moses anything. Here is what the correct scripture actually reads from the KJV
Actually she says, he (Moses) still doesn't know a thing. And he doesn't. This is his first interaction with God, and God tells Him I am, Who I am, What I Am, and I Will Be What I Will Be...
This means God can be, do, and say what He wants... whcih is exactly what she is saying here. You are right that the Scripture Jesus is referring to is this one, but Joyce doesn't deny or even talk about that. So nothing false here except for your comment.
"And God said unto Moses, I Am That I Am: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I Am hath sent me unto you."
compare those two variations. They are completely different. For God is the great I AM and this was the scripture Jesus was referring to when He said "Before Abraham was I AM." It's a claim to deity.
Who are you to say one version is right and another isnt? Have you studied Greek for your entire life? If not, then how do you know? You don't. So you are being a false teacher and also a divider by saying this.
Moving forward.
Next she quotes Romans 9:20
20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
"stifling another laugh she begins with "why do I have big hips? why do I have this deep voice? why am I so tall? why am I so short? why do my feet have to be so big? why can't I sing?
This is so absolutely removed from the meaning behind Romans chapter 9, read it for yourself
Actually its not. Who is the Potter to say to the clay, why am I thus?
I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,
2 That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart.
3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:
4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
9 For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sarah shall have a son.
10 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac;
11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth
12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
Look back to how she painted the context of verse 20 - physical attributes, "who am I to ask why God gave me these hips, or this voice?"
She is not teaching any truth, she is actually distorting it
Actually she's not. She's making it relevant to people. She is saying that God will do and be as He pleases. Which is exactly what this teaches... you make the claim she is distorting it, but she's not. Once again you are the false teacher here.
I skipped ahead to the 8 minute mark because it's there that she stops her personal opinions and points- returning to scripture, however the verses she is hitting are verses 21 and 22 but they are in her other bible again - see for yourself and she is still saying "God made me how He made me and I shouldn't question why He made me thus. Did you read Romans? did you see that Paul is actually talking about how people may criticize God using people like Pharaoh to give Glory unto God? This whole passage is about God's choices in how He uses people for a greater good and who are we to question God? This has NOTHING to do with how we view ourselves.
It's not about viewing themselves, it's about questioning why God does what He does... it's about saying we know better... and if you think this is a wrong interpretation, read Job and see what God says to him...
38 Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind and said:
[SUP]2 [/SUP]“Who is this that darkens counsel by words without knowledge?
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Dress for action[SUP][a][/SUP] like a man;
I will question you, and you make it known to me.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]“Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth?
Tell me, if you have understanding.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Who determined its measurements—surely you know!
You can see here how God answers Job for seeing God in a negative light... read more of Job 38 so you can see that this exactly what Joyce is talking about here.
"the message here tonight, stop comparing yourself to somebody else, and just decide to get happy where you're at." Joyce Meyer minute mark 8:41
She moves on to 1 Corinthians 1:27 to show us
"why God uses the people He uses" -Joyce Meyer
"(No) for God selected (deliberately chose) what in the world is foolish to put the wise man to shame, and what the world calls weak to put the strong to shame." 1 Corinthians 27
"And God also selected (deliberately chose) what in the world is lowborn and insignificant and branded and treated with contempt, even the things that are nothing." 28
"that He might depose and bring to nothing the things that are." 29
Joyce- "Part of the reason God uses people that you would just normally think would be impossible for God to use is because they're the ones who are gonna stay on their face all the time saying Oh God, thank you thank you thank you God. You have no idea how many times a day I say oh help me God, help me, help me, help me, help me. Sometimes I think maybe I'm a mental case, help me, help me, help me. And the rest of the day I'm saying thank you God, thank you, thank you, thank you thank you. that's like my main conversation with God. God help me, help me, help me, help me."
that was the totality of her lesson on 1 corinthians 1...
What's wrong with this? She's saying God thank you for blessing me, thank you for being amazing... or maybe you haven't read this Scripture?
Romans 1:[SUP]21 [/SUP]For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. [SUP]22 [/SUP]Claiming to be wise, they became fools, [SUP]23 [/SUP]and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.
Notice here, we see the following, they were not thankful so they were fools, and we can see that God did not use the foolish like you are saying... once again, you are being a false teacher.
but what does the bible actually say?
Read 1 corinthians chapter 1 - here is a snippet for context
23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.
God is teaching that to those who are wise in the flesh view the Word of God as foolishness. Do you see the difference? Joyce never actually touches base on anything the bible is actually saying.
Yes I agree with this, but this doesn't detract from what Joyce is saying in context and which agrees with the entirety of the Bible.
here again look at this
19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
The bible is really stating that the world is so blind that what is truly wise is seen as foolishness and what is seen as foolishness is wise, and it pleased God to do this so that when He opened our eyes to the truth that we would glorify Him and not stand boastful thinking that we ourselves are wise.. Where was that teaching? it was lost to all who followed Joyce' teachings that day.
The best way to test anyones teaching on a verse is to read the whole chapter they are quoting from, and then see if what they said measured up to what you've read.
at minute 15:35 she goes on to say "the next time a question comes in your mind, don't ask the question, just say God you don't owe me an explanation."
Is that biblical? No, because Jesus says "Ask and you shall receive."
She is trying to get all of her listeners to trust that since God is in complete control, there is no need to question anything...
No she is saying God knows what He is doing, so question Him on WHY He does things...
And it's obvious that Jesus is using the word, Ask, as give me bread?... not Ask, as in why do I only have bread?
You have once again misquoted Scripture.
So you have called someone a false teacher, but in the process have become one.
Matt 7:1“Judge not, that you be not judged. 2For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. 3Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? 4Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? 5You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.
Notice that Jesus says the person who judges another has a LOG in their eye because they are doing it knowingly, but the person who doesn't know better has a SPECK...
If your heart is right before the Lord He knows and I'm sure you do too, but be careful when you call people false teachers...
Romans 14:4 Who are you to judge the servant of another? To his own master he stands or falls; and he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.
I will leave this to the Holy Spirit.
C.
15:48 "I think it delights the devil when you question God."
This reminds me of the propaganda slogan "support our troops" which was used to keep us from questioning why we went to war. They are not connected, one is used as a cover. You see, we are not questioning God. We are questioning our understanding of scripture as well as the messages we are receiving and the spirits that are feeding us these teachings. Jesus said to "try the spirits, to know if they are good."
And that's the end, she never posts another scripture again.
I youtubed "Joyce Meyers greatest teachings" and I have decided to go through the entire thing and determine the biblical accuracy of her message. I hope you watch this video and read my commentary with it. I will type this as I go.
At the 50 second mark she begins laughing at scripture but only after she posts an inaccurate version of scripture (there are many versions but that is a different study)
Here she quotes Exodus 3:14 and she posts it as reading
"And God said to Moses, I AM WHO I AM and WHAT I AM and I WILL BE WHAT I WILL BE."
then she laughs saying that God didn't really tell Moses anything. Here is what the correct scripture actually reads from the KJV
Actually she says, he (Moses) still doesn't know a thing. And he doesn't. This is his first interaction with God, and God tells Him I am, Who I am, What I Am, and I Will Be What I Will Be...
This means God can be, do, and say what He wants... whcih is exactly what she is saying here. You are right that the Scripture Jesus is referring to is this one, but Joyce doesn't deny or even talk about that. So nothing false here except for your comment.
"And God said unto Moses, I Am That I Am: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I Am hath sent me unto you."
compare those two variations. They are completely different. For God is the great I AM and this was the scripture Jesus was referring to when He said "Before Abraham was I AM." It's a claim to deity.
Who are you to say one version is right and another isnt? Have you studied Greek for your entire life? If not, then how do you know? You don't. So you are being a false teacher and also a divider by saying this.
Moving forward.
Next she quotes Romans 9:20
20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
"stifling another laugh she begins with "why do I have big hips? why do I have this deep voice? why am I so tall? why am I so short? why do my feet have to be so big? why can't I sing?
This is so absolutely removed from the meaning behind Romans chapter 9, read it for yourself
Actually its not. Who is the Potter to say to the clay, why am I thus?
I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,
2 That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart.
3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:
4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
9 For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sarah shall have a son.
10 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac;
11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth
12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
Look back to how she painted the context of verse 20 - physical attributes, "who am I to ask why God gave me these hips, or this voice?"
She is not teaching any truth, she is actually distorting it
Actually she's not. She's making it relevant to people. She is saying that God will do and be as He pleases. Which is exactly what this teaches... you make the claim she is distorting it, but she's not. Once again you are the false teacher here.
I skipped ahead to the 8 minute mark because it's there that she stops her personal opinions and points- returning to scripture, however the verses she is hitting are verses 21 and 22 but they are in her other bible again - see for yourself and she is still saying "God made me how He made me and I shouldn't question why He made me thus. Did you read Romans? did you see that Paul is actually talking about how people may criticize God using people like Pharaoh to give Glory unto God? This whole passage is about God's choices in how He uses people for a greater good and who are we to question God? This has NOTHING to do with how we view ourselves.
It's not about viewing themselves, it's about questioning why God does what He does... it's about saying we know better... and if you think this is a wrong interpretation, read Job and see what God says to him...
38 Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind and said:
[SUP]2 [/SUP]“Who is this that darkens counsel by words without knowledge?
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Dress for action[SUP][a][/SUP] like a man;
I will question you, and you make it known to me.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]“Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth?
Tell me, if you have understanding.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Who determined its measurements—surely you know!
You can see here how God answers Job for seeing God in a negative light... read more of Job 38 so you can see that this exactly what Joyce is talking about here.
"the message here tonight, stop comparing yourself to somebody else, and just decide to get happy where you're at." Joyce Meyer minute mark 8:41
She moves on to 1 Corinthians 1:27 to show us
"why God uses the people He uses" -Joyce Meyer
"(No) for God selected (deliberately chose) what in the world is foolish to put the wise man to shame, and what the world calls weak to put the strong to shame." 1 Corinthians 27
"And God also selected (deliberately chose) what in the world is lowborn and insignificant and branded and treated with contempt, even the things that are nothing." 28
"that He might depose and bring to nothing the things that are." 29
Joyce- "Part of the reason God uses people that you would just normally think would be impossible for God to use is because they're the ones who are gonna stay on their face all the time saying Oh God, thank you thank you thank you God. You have no idea how many times a day I say oh help me God, help me, help me, help me, help me. Sometimes I think maybe I'm a mental case, help me, help me, help me. And the rest of the day I'm saying thank you God, thank you, thank you, thank you thank you. that's like my main conversation with God. God help me, help me, help me, help me."
that was the totality of her lesson on 1 corinthians 1...
What's wrong with this? She's saying God thank you for blessing me, thank you for being amazing... or maybe you haven't read this Scripture?
Romans 1:[SUP]21 [/SUP]For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. [SUP]22 [/SUP]Claiming to be wise, they became fools, [SUP]23 [/SUP]and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.
Notice here, we see the following, they were not thankful so they were fools, and we can see that God did not use the foolish like you are saying... once again, you are being a false teacher.
but what does the bible actually say?
Read 1 corinthians chapter 1 - here is a snippet for context
23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.
God is teaching that to those who are wise in the flesh view the Word of God as foolishness. Do you see the difference? Joyce never actually touches base on anything the bible is actually saying.
Yes I agree with this, but this doesn't detract from what Joyce is saying in context and which agrees with the entirety of the Bible.
here again look at this
19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
The bible is really stating that the world is so blind that what is truly wise is seen as foolishness and what is seen as foolishness is wise, and it pleased God to do this so that when He opened our eyes to the truth that we would glorify Him and not stand boastful thinking that we ourselves are wise.. Where was that teaching? it was lost to all who followed Joyce' teachings that day.
The best way to test anyones teaching on a verse is to read the whole chapter they are quoting from, and then see if what they said measured up to what you've read.
at minute 15:35 she goes on to say "the next time a question comes in your mind, don't ask the question, just say God you don't owe me an explanation."
Is that biblical? No, because Jesus says "Ask and you shall receive."
She is trying to get all of her listeners to trust that since God is in complete control, there is no need to question anything...
No she is saying God knows what He is doing, so question Him on WHY He does things...
And it's obvious that Jesus is using the word, Ask, as give me bread?... not Ask, as in why do I only have bread?
You have once again misquoted Scripture.
So you have called someone a false teacher, but in the process have become one.
Matt 7:1“Judge not, that you be not judged. 2For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. 3Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? 4Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? 5You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.
Notice that Jesus says the person who judges another has a LOG in their eye because they are doing it knowingly, but the person who doesn't know better has a SPECK...
If your heart is right before the Lord He knows and I'm sure you do too, but be careful when you call people false teachers...
Romans 14:4 Who are you to judge the servant of another? To his own master he stands or falls; and he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.
I will leave this to the Holy Spirit.
C.
15:48 "I think it delights the devil when you question God."
This reminds me of the propaganda slogan "support our troops" which was used to keep us from questioning why we went to war. They are not connected, one is used as a cover. You see, we are not questioning God. We are questioning our understanding of scripture as well as the messages we are receiving and the spirits that are feeding us these teachings. Jesus said to "try the spirits, to know if they are good."
And that's the end, she never posts another scripture again.
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Biscuit, my dear friend, you are talking about Christ... the one who died for us, the one who was blameless, the one who is the Son of God... he is in no comparison to what we are doing here... and yes, I say "we" because we are one body in Christ. Who are we to judge? He was the Son of God who gave up everything for us so if he wants to judge the unrighteous, then by all means...
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Question: "What does the Bible mean that we are not to judge others?"
Answer: This is an issue that has confused many people. On one hand, we are commanded by the Lord Jesus, “Do not judge, or you too will be judged” (Matthew 7:1). On the other hand, the Bible also exhorts us to beware of evildoers and false prophets and to avoid those who practice all kinds of evil. How are we to discern who these people are if we do not make some kind of judgment about them?
Christians are often accused of "judging" whenever they speak out against a sinful activity. However, that is not the meaning of the Scripture verses that state, "Do not judge." There is a righteous kind of judgment we are supposed to exercise—with careful discernment (John 7:24). When Jesus told us not to judge (Matthew 7:1), He was telling us not to judge hypocritically. Matthew 7:2-5 declares, "For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye." What Jesus was condemning here was hypocritical, self-righteous judgments of others.
In Matthew 7:2-5, Jesus warns against judging someone else for his sin when you yourself are sinning even worse. That is the kind of judging Jesus commanded us not to do. If a believer sees another believer sinning, it is his Christian duty to lovingly and respectfully confront the person with his sin (Matthew 18:15-17). This is not judging, but rather pointing out the truth in hope—and with the ultimate goal—of bringing repentance in the other person (James 5:20) and restoration to the fellowship. We are to speak the truth in love (Ephesians 4:15). We are to proclaim what God's Word says about sin. 2 Timothy 4:2 instructs us, "Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage — with great patience and careful instruction." We are to "judge" sin, but always with the goal of presenting the solution for sin and its consequences—the Lord Jesus Christ (John 14:6).
Recommended Resources: Hard Sayings of the Bible by Kaiser, Davids, & Brauch andLogos Bible Software.
Answer: This is an issue that has confused many people. On one hand, we are commanded by the Lord Jesus, “Do not judge, or you too will be judged” (Matthew 7:1). On the other hand, the Bible also exhorts us to beware of evildoers and false prophets and to avoid those who practice all kinds of evil. How are we to discern who these people are if we do not make some kind of judgment about them?
Christians are often accused of "judging" whenever they speak out against a sinful activity. However, that is not the meaning of the Scripture verses that state, "Do not judge." There is a righteous kind of judgment we are supposed to exercise—with careful discernment (John 7:24). When Jesus told us not to judge (Matthew 7:1), He was telling us not to judge hypocritically. Matthew 7:2-5 declares, "For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye." What Jesus was condemning here was hypocritical, self-righteous judgments of others.
In Matthew 7:2-5, Jesus warns against judging someone else for his sin when you yourself are sinning even worse. That is the kind of judging Jesus commanded us not to do. If a believer sees another believer sinning, it is his Christian duty to lovingly and respectfully confront the person with his sin (Matthew 18:15-17). This is not judging, but rather pointing out the truth in hope—and with the ultimate goal—of bringing repentance in the other person (James 5:20) and restoration to the fellowship. We are to speak the truth in love (Ephesians 4:15). We are to proclaim what God's Word says about sin. 2 Timothy 4:2 instructs us, "Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage — with great patience and careful instruction." We are to "judge" sin, but always with the goal of presenting the solution for sin and its consequences—the Lord Jesus Christ (John 14:6).
Recommended Resources: Hard Sayings of the Bible by Kaiser, Davids, & Brauch andLogos Bible Software.
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Years ago, the truth of Jesus Christ entered my best mates heart when he was up awake late at night in his depressed suicidal state whilst watching Joyce Meyer. Him and another mate used to be awake smoking bongs and bagging her out, but when he was alone he used to watch her anyway. This same man prayed fervently for years for my salvation, I haven't heard much of Joyce Meyer but I can credit her ministry has saved at least two souls.
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We can judge the 'action' and not the person. 2Timothy 3:16 give us the authority (in Jesus' name) to judge. If Meyers is being called a 'false teacher,' it is because of her works (actions).
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Inu, I never called Joyce Meyers a 'false teacher or trashed her?' I am just saying that those who call someone a false teacher can do so by the action they see. Calling someone a false teacher is a strong condemnation and I don't use the words. I prefer to call Joyce Meyers & Joel Osteen motivational speakers rather than false teachers.
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"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness" (2 Timothy 3:16)
Reproof is not judging the proof is in this word that you used
Correction is not judging instruction in righteousness is not judging so here is some instruction for you
1Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things. 2But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things. 3And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God? 4Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance? 5But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; 6Who will render to every man according to his deeds: 7To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: 8But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, 9Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; 10But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: 11For there is no respect of persons with God.
12For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; 13(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. 14For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: 15Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another 16In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
Yep we have a judge and it is no one on cc!!!!!
Reproof is not judging the proof is in this word that you used
Correction is not judging instruction in righteousness is not judging so here is some instruction for you
1Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things. 2But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things. 3And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God? 4Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance? 5But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; 6Who will render to every man according to his deeds: 7To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: 8But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, 9Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; 10But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: 11For there is no respect of persons with God.
12For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; 13(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. 14For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: 15Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another
16In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.Yep we have a judge and it is no one on cc!!!!!